It cost $309 Million, $400 million has been spent trying to fix it, as much as another $300 million is going to be needed to repair this system responsible for overpayments of $256 million of dollars to public employees.
It cost $309 Million, $400 million has been spent trying to fix it, as much as another $300 million is going to be needed to repair this system responsible for overpayments of $256 million of dollars to public employees.
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not really news… just more “business as usual” for the adscam
party of canada…
“One of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s closest friends is
benefiting from an exclusive agreement between his data
analytics company and the Liberal Party of Canada.”
and yet the sheeple keep voting for them. you truly do get the
kind of government you deserve.
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But….. Mike Duffy…. The CBC told me!
So what? Roads, healthcare, pensions, policing, education, …, whatever government does, this is the result. Bureaucrats building empires, and lining their pockets. Any power given to government is probably a mistake. The farther away the government is, the greater the likelihood of citizen pain and suffering.
No problem, this whole Phoenix boondoggle is the fault of the Harper government, we know because Trudeau and company have told us over and over.
Sounds a lot like the kind of leadership we had running the billion dollar database of gun serial numbers.
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you mean 2 billion dollars… right?
“Now maybe… just maybe… if the Fiberals had taken the 2 billion dollars,
that’s 2,000 bags of 1 million dollars apiece… and used it to fund cancer
research… instead of the asinine Farmer Bob Rifle Registry…”
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It’s the fault of the government. Harper, Trudeau, regardless of who you vote for you still end up with the government. Which party is in power does make some difference but they are still using the same system, a vast union bureaucracy that offers a very limited range of options to the politicians if/when the politicians actually want to get something done. If politicians won’t play ball the way the civil service wants then they find at the start of each game the ball is always deflated and won’t roll, bounce, or fly the way it’s supposed to. Fortunately the expert civil service is always on hand with the solution: pump more money into it. “The bureaucracy must be expanded to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.”
Justin Trudeau just found out about the Pheonix fiasco when you did. He read about it in the newspaper and he’s mad as hell about it and he’s going to get to the bottom of this Harper government scandal ASAP. It’s limbaugh theorem. Trudeau is not the PM when there’s a problem.
Technological delusions of adequacy.
Shame Pheonix is almost over, best thing Harper did.
When stuck with a whole department of un-firable parasites,who glorified their incompetence and arrogance
Fully protected by public service unions and government protocol..
The gun registry employees made their skill set plain, what better way to reward the civil service that protected and encouraged them, than by putting these wonderful persons in charge of public service payroll?
The systemic incompetence demonstrated at the Pheonix Payroll is impossible, did not the Liberals, NDP and civil service unions all insist these were valuable,competent, nay highly skilled servants of the people?
So it must be inconceivable that they would do to civil service payrolls what they did to the Gun Registry.
Given Pretty Boy Prime Minister wants to “grow the middle classs”, how can he justify abandoning this wonderful agency?
Quick start a campaign to Save The Pheonix Savages.
Bill C68 was a demonstration of significance, legeislation written with the intention of being unenforcible, incomprehensible,self contradictory legalize.
The citizen was/is deemed to be guilty regardless
Yet the criminals walk free.
A clear demonstration of the final collapse of the bureaucratic side of government.
Laws are for the little people and we in Govt are always to be your masters.
Of course the bureaucrats responsible for Operation Pheonix get bonuses..It is their Right.
Payroll involves no calculations other than basic arithmetic and storage of data created. Why in hell should it cost more than a few million dollars?
Working in Ottawa is all about the ‘skim’. Whether simply dogging your hours worked, issuing contracts to friends or more directly taking kickbacks, the result is sticking it to the tax payer. It is a art form. It goes on no matter what party is in power.
When the Harper government was in power there was no series of ‘trails’ holding previous thieves to account. The Liebels had been caught steeling millions $’s and there was no exposure let alone jail time. Does society think that such behavior will not permeate down? Corruption is becoming endemic.
These managers that are getting the bonuses… wouldn’t they be on the Phoenix system as well? if so, maybe that’s one take-away we can feel good about this mess.
If I were PM, I’d outsource alll payroll to say ADP, on a 5 yr contract, to be renewed in an open bid, with incentive for cost savings as bonus points.
The fed employees can hang onto their jobs, doing nothing. But to be paid all have to show up, punch a time card in-out. And when someone leaves, do not replace.
As Pm I’d have at least 5 years to implement quickly and let it drag out.
Exactly like the Ontario liberals mcguinty/smitherman/wynne E-health scam.Now with Phoenix and legalizing spiffs,every well connected liberal in Canada must be a multi-millionaire !
If I were PM, there’d be about 70% fewer federal employees within 2 years. There’d be no payroll system because everyone would be paid via a very simple grading chart that could be managed in excel, yes, really. You get the pay for your grade or you get fired. Don’t like it, go work elsewhere. It would apply for MPs as well.
Why make it so complicated that it costs hundreds of millions to operate it? Oh, yeah – that quebec thing (i.e. Corruption).
Was this team involved?
http://www.couriermail.com.au/extras/qweekend/fff/features/pdfs/338.pdf
Though we might have got off lightly
Since we’re all (essentially) government employees now … where the HELL is MY bonus !!!???
This is for illustration purpose to make contrast how things were done in the primitive past and how they are done in the far advanced today.
The Lions Gate Bridge, opened in 1938. The main span alone is 473 m (1,552 ft). Construction began on March 31, 1937. After one and a half years and a cost of $5,873,837.17 (CAD), it opened to traffic on November 14, 1938. (From Wikipedia)
This is before the corruption kicked in.
Relative to
12 Street S.E. Calgary Bridge Replacement Project by the zoo.
Construction – spring 2016…..Completion – winter 2017. Budget to stay within $19,000,0000 million CAD. http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TI/Documents/Pedestrian-bridges/12st-bridge/12st-bridge-info-session-may2015-boards.pdf
Construction is very dependent on weather and site conditions. More information will be provided on updated timelines, but dates can change.
If you paid big money, you will not find what is the span of the bridge is, so let us be way generous and say less than 200 meters or somewhere of 656 ft.
The final cost that they call budget is $26,000,0000 million CAD. Actually it is not the final cost, it is cost up to now.
Let us be generous again, the times are different, the money is not what it used to be.
Take note of the time that the Lions Gate (473 m, 1,552 ft) took to build over the deep water and what it took the geniuses in Calgary to build way less than 200m in up to your knees water.
You decide where the money goes.
Incompetence is the government, no matter where, no matter what.
They, the government don’t have to produce, their main business is to push paper. That’s what they do. Everything else happens by pure chance. That they fill their own pocket with someone’s else’s money is a bonus that they are entitled to.
When it’s only taxpayers money and nothing coming out of their own pockets, why would they bother to improve or get rid of the incompetence permeating all government departments. Incompetence is equivalent to empire building and the empire is never big enough to suit bureaucrats.
Why isn’t this on the CBC??
Actually Phoenix screws employees regardless of who they are, such as the guys running the CCG Lifeboats, radios and many other functions. Plus lots of government employees don’t vote left of centre and many are spouses whose paycheck supports the family business during lean times. The CPC bought the marketing of this system hook, line and sinker, the Liberals knew it sucked, but ran with it anyways. It was the politicians and senior management that created this and neither will pay the price.
What the quebek angle here? Gotta be some consultants/contractors (librano friends) working diligently on the system.
They’ll get it fixed just in time for the election. The civil servants who suffered through the debacle will all get bonuses. Bongo will remind them that Harper caused this and he corrected it.
Probably a billion or more by the time we get to the bottom of this. All monies wasted/stolen. Safely stored in a numbered company in some off shore tax heaven.
It’s the quebek/librano way.
Payroll is very difficult.
I mean there are only 3.0 billion people around the world on some type of payroll so one would think there must be systems that already work? 20 years ago, it was 2.0 billion people so why it should it be so difficult today in a more modern world.
Answer: Never let yourself be beholden to a self-developed specialized system to meet your own “special needs”. The IT companies will bleed you dry before you either completely abandon the system or pay the hostage fees. Just use an off-the-shelf system which can be bought at a huge discount in today’s world. Let someone else pay for the development costs of specialized Cadillac systems.
Everyone in government already knows this but they seem to fall for it every time anyway. If any people in government are reading this, pay farkin’ heed because you can get fired for farkin’ up this bad.
They should use Oracle providers of the enterprise software and IBM the delivery contractor. Oracle payroll components work for 1000s of companies including multi billion multi nationals.
I ran HR for a multi billion Canadian company. If payroll for one person was missed or wrong I would have been fired.
The issues with Phoenix are probably training, process and discipline related. In other words, civil servant management is at fault. If not see above about suing.
Also about bridges.
Over a mile across, 314 ft high at highest point, still in use today.
Lethbridge High Level bridge
In WWI, there were millions of British, Canadian, American and other soldiers. I have the payslips for my uncle who died in 1918 during the last days of the war in France. He was a Canadian in the British Army. The UK never missed a cheque. They were written by hand.
Pay for performance always ends up being a scam. Clever people figure out how to set goals that are easy, or even 90% accomplished before you start. Really clever people figure out goals that have already been met.
[sorry about cross-posting this in the wrong thread… managed to hit the wrong key and skipped to the next thread somehow]
and some people actually think I am being too simplistic when I call Canadians stupid.
I wish I could be shocked. I’m also fairly sure the bonus “overpayments” were not unintentional.
Sure, payroll systems can be complicated, but not $300 million worth. There are many good off-the-shelf or professional payroll packages available, and the only difference for small vs large organisations (in most cases) is the size of the database over which the UI works.
Contracting it to ADP or Ceridian would’ve been a crappe-tonne cheaper than trying to fix the boondoggle, but it would also have required more intelligence of the people making the decision than minds that would continue to chase sunk costs like that.
methinks performance ‘bonuses’ are a given REGARDLESS of the level of screwup. we see it in the board room, the office, and gubbamint.
after 30 years in IT, it *still* astonishes me this level of fcukup is so common. the ‘common’ denominator is lack of commUUUUUNication, urealistic timelines, and EVERY TIME, abject FAILURE to do the basic research on 100% of ‘what do we have now’ and ‘how do we get where we want to be’.
jist sayin’ . . . . .
There’s an old cure for this.
http://boisdejustice.com/Drawings/Drawings.html
Ray you have no idea how right you are. Workers entering data into the
system were told by union stewards to screw it up as much as possible
so they wouldn’t lose control of the “system” and the union jobs that
go along with it. This is ALL about process and discipline (and sabotoge,
of course)….