They have their lederhosen to keep them warm;
“In 2022, if not before, Bavaria will face difficulties with its electricity supply,” Mario Mehren, Chairman of the board of Wintershall, said at the German Energy Congress in Munich. “At this time, when the last German nuclear power plants in Bavaria are taken off the grid, there will be an electricity generation shortfall of up to 4 gigawatts. Renewable energies cannot replace that, at least not at affordable and responsible prices.”
Not to worry … just slap a bunch of Chinese solar panels on your Bavarian Chalet !! Or maybe Tesla will buy you some ?
Re: They will have a shortfall of electrical energy.
What all the experts don’t account for is extreme weather. Sleet for example will not only snap hydro lines, it also renders wind turbines useless. Even a 2-5 MM coating of ice on the blades will throw them off balance forcing the units to shut down. Solar panels have the same problem with wet snow. But than a disaster is often what we need to wake governments up. Bavaria can get below zero in Dec-Jan. Not good to have 12.5 million freezing souls.
And so goeth the green CO2 Driven SCAM…
Germany knee Jeri reaction to a tsunami 12,000 miles away shows just how completely as done politicians can be carrying favour to the Eco-Nazi’s.
Alberta soon to show that where goeth 1 Lemming, others will soon follow.
I’ve got my love to keep me warm
Kay Starr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWvb-PjPlo
Angry pitch forks make their points even if coated with a little ice. What planet do these elites come from that they would support energy infrastructure that puts the safety and well being of their citizenry at risk not to mention the extreme economic harm the expense that “green” tech inflicts. Their actions demonstrate an intent totally counter to responsible competent democratic governance. Intentional gross negligence.
Maybe the French could be persuaded to add a few more Nukes to their already 75% plus capacity and in addition to keeping the increasingly wind dependent UK from browning-out, they could do the same for the Germans. The irony is beautiful – France will keep the lights on in England and Germany! C’est si bon!
Wintershall
OK the following is from wiki just because it does condense it nicely for the purpose I require.
“In the autumn of 1990 Wintershall started cooperation with the Russian gas company, Gazprom, and concluded a long-term agreement on the marketing of Russian natural gas in Germany. In 1993, WINGAS GmbH, the joint venture of Wintershall (50% plus one share) and Gazprom (50% minus one share) was established. In 2005, Wintershall, Gazprom and E.ON Ruhrgas agreed to build the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline from Russia to Germany. In 2006, Wintershall got a stake in Yuzhno-Russkoye gas field”.
I’d call that long term and very smart planning its almost as if they had planned it.
The start of the wiki description outlines the deal BASF did with the Russians and their stake in Wintershall which was very substantial and hands on, but I admit that I didn’t know that relationship had cooled.
“Renewable energies cannot replace that, at least not at affordable and responsible prices.”
Price is mostly irrelevant.
Renewables must have coal or nuclear or natural gas backup for when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.
Pretending renewables can do it is false.
But, they’re talking 2022.
By then the Germans will be able to keep warm and roast their schnitzels by the fire of the burning Benzes thanks to Merkel and her pet migrants.
Or maybe Tesla
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Tesla shareholder sues Elon Musk for ‘using $2.6 BILLION of Tesla stock to prop up failing solar panel company’
http://tinyurl.com/h5kuk5a
Oz, you beat me to it.
The price of carbon fuels keep being driven up, so the price of renewables seem to be more comparable..
“They have their lederhosen to keep them warm;…”
Ha, ha, serves the eco-Luddites right.
Carbon prices going up? You mean from horrifically economically harmful taxes to feed the Bureaucratic Beast? Outside of that you’re blowing hot air. I’m out of work along with tens of thousands of others in Western Canada because of the price collapse in both gas and oil. Renewables couldn’t compare at 10 times the current price – widespread use of “green” technology is a disaster on so many levels including environmental and ecological. Nice try Lefty.
i think i smell the tar barrel heating up
That will be great for Czar Vladimir! He can threaten to cut off the natural gas supply from Russia to gain diplomatic concessions or cut it off completely when he invades the Ukraine/Poland/Estonia/Lithuania/Latvia etc, etc.
Have the Germans forgotten how to think strategically? Energy is vital to a nation; it must be reliable, inexpensive, abundant and not subject to interference by foreign powers.
“Renewable energies cannot replace that, at least not at affordable and responsible prices.”
Let them eat their cake cold, then. Turn off a few lights and get back to work!
Meanwhile in Ont, this comment from an solar industry insider appeared in NP:
“Peak demand exceeded 23,000 MW only one day this summer, despite parts of the province seeing 35 days with temperatures above 30 C. Yet our installed capacity approaches 40,000 MW. The system will have reserves above extreme summer peaks well into the 2020s.
Against this troubling background, the Ontario government is procuring an additional 1,300 MW of large wind and solar generation under the Large Renewable Procurement (LRP) program”
Why exactly? So Ont taxpayers can continue subsidizing NY and Michigan consumers with negatively priced electricity? Seems it is impossible for Liberals to end this gravy train for their renewable energy supporters.
In Canada and especially Ontario, aa Y’all Know Martin B.
Renewables must have coal or nuclear or natural gas backup for when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine.
Wind and solar are not the only ‘renewables’. Both hydro and biomass are renewable sources of energy and both work well for baseload power and heat.
Characterizing all renewables with wind/solar’s inadequacies is misinformed.
If you have a problem with wind/solar in some applications then be specific; your generalizations about ‘renewables’ are generally incorrect.
We were discussing here at SDA, what 3 years ago, about how the Germans are cutting down all of their forests(Black Forrest too) to provide heat in winter.
You either have the rivers to build the dams on or the dams already built, Germany had nuclear power plants.
In the U.S., Gang Green has been dynamiting hydro dams for a decade. Returning the land to nature. Yup.
Nuclear is good. Gang Green is against nuclear. Why? Because the basis of todays environMentalists came from the protest nuclear movement that was fighting for unilateral nuclear disarmament. When Russia elected to disband the USSR, Moscow gave them new marching orders and they all switched, en masse, to become members of Gang Green and disrupt our industries, the sinews of our war machine, and the basis of our superior quality of life.
“Characterizing all renewables with wind/solar’s inadequacies is misinformed.”
Hydro is essentially maxed out for major sources in Canada. “Biomass” is a pipedream for electric production, it gives a negative energy return because of the fuel needed to plant, harvest and collect it.
Furthermore, when people say “renewables”, they mean wind and solar as a general rule. Arguing like a lawyer around here is going to get you nowhere really fast.
“Biomass” is a pipedream for electric production, it gives a negative energy return because of the fuel needed to plant, harvest and collect it.”
Good one, the Phantom. The first time I read that was on Steven Den Beste’s USS Clueless around 2004. Brilliant engineer that Den Beste, probably why Kate still has his blog listed in the blogroll. He is as right about that today as when he wrote it some 12 years ago.
I’m not sure you all have any knowledge of what you are talking about as far as the Bavarians are concerned. The Bayersher are not pitchfork users or anti authority. I lived over there in the 60’s (last century to you millenials. There was very little coal, little electricity, and lots of heat came from peat and sticks from the forests. Nobody cut down trees (trees are sacred!). Historically, the Teutons nailed the heads of criminals and others to trees. The old women and children walked the railroad tracks all day long, hopeing to pick up a piece of coal. For those in the cities that had central heating, that was only turned on at night from 6 to 8 pm. Only hot water you could heat yourself. No hot showers or baths. No showers and especially no bathtub. These people have been there and done that. Unlike the American snowflake, they can endure. Of course lack of heating did not bother me when I was there; I spent my winters outside and slept in a phart sack. We had three mounts in heavy snow where the temperature was below ZERO for weeks on end. The Bavarians are used to this and although they won’t welcome it again, they will not run away. I do have some pretty snow and cannon pictures on my site.
Hydro is essentially maxed out for major sources in Canada.
Simply untrue, unless you want to equivocate about what you mean by ‘major sources’…
“Biomass” is a pipedream for electric production, it gives a negative energy return because of the fuel needed to plant, harvest and collect it.
…not when it uses abundant sawmill waste. Most sawmills can generate more power from waste than they consume, and feed the surplus onto the grid.
Furthermore, when people say “renewables”, they mean wind and solar as a general rule
…perhaps in your narrow little world of extremist fallacies.
Making excuses for the misinformed doesn’t cut it.
If you don’t like arguments from engineers who deal with reality instead of your extremist fairytale world, then stuff it.
Most sawmills can generate more power from waste than they consume, and feed the surplus onto the grid.
Hey look, perpetual motion. lol
last year in Ontario, july 29th was the hottest day of the summer. wind power supplied 4% of the load and solar 0.3%. I doubt that the numbers were any higher this year even though it was warm and dry for a sustained period. solar and wind will never be able to carry the load.
worked for Columbia cellulose as a young man and waste was used to power some aspects of the mill but I think you are wrong about their being surplus for the grid.