27 Replies to “Red Rose Country”

  2. One interesting thing. Back in the day when propane was free at the gas plant, it wasn’t free to the consumer. At one time they used to flare a lot of that stuff.

  5. Any “professional” energy analyst who refers to “Tar Sands” is a charlatan.

  8. Not that many years ago, propane powered cars, trucks and tractors were quite common. Quite cheap, and clean burning. You can still see an occasional sign at a parking lot prohibiting entry of propane powered vehicles.
    Propane powered tractors

  9. Richfisher i’ll put it this way propane is a by product of gasoline production (with a few other things added) There is a huge glut right now. Huge! So we know oil companies are getting killed trans canada just layed of a bunch of people suncor layed of 1600 , cnrl layed of 1800 , encana and conoco phillips both have admitted lay off’s will be coming too.
    So why is my fuel 1.13 to buy ? but oil companies are laying people off? And smaller ones folding like cheap chinese made lawn chairs. …..Government gotta balance it’sbudgets some how.
    Cheaper fuel and no jobs to pay for it or more expensive fuel and tousands of high paying jobs to pay for the higher fuel prices. to help you out i will post this i hope everyone looks and reads.
    http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?hpf=1&a_id=139214&utm_source=DailyNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=2015-06-22&utm_content=&utm_campaign=feature_4

  10. Alberta’s downwards spiral begins.
    Elections have consequences.
    All you Albertans had to do was to simply ask us in Ontario.
    Look at us now.
    Trust me. This is you in 5 years.

  11. Nah, not the same. The oil will still be here and Albertans will be getting their jobs back when they throw the NDP out.
    Ontario manufacturing jobs went to India, China, and Mexico for the reason that they could be done there, but Alberta energy industry jobs can’t.
    Tell me which conservative party the Ontario PCs were running against when the NDP got in again? Oh right, Ontarians split the vote between the Liberals and the PCs to let the NDP come up the middle.
    Not the same thing as what happened in Alberta.
    When Wild Rose wins the next election, the oil and the jobs it brings will still be here.

  12. Hi Oz,
    Actually, it is the same. Oil or not.
    What is the same is the permanent damage that the NDP did and will do to Alberta.
    Bob Rae was in for 5 years and a true conservative, Mike Harris had 8 years to try to undo that damage. Some of it was reversed as will be the case when WR is brought to power in Alberta. But they won’t be able to undo it all.
    The real problem is when those that have become accustomed to the hand outs start to squeal.
    Mike Harris was given the boot and was subsequently blamed for all things. Even to this day.
    This then brought in the Libs who make us wish the NDP were back in power.
    It has changed us forever and after 1 or 2 terms for WR, you will go more strongly left and then the fat lady will sing.

  13. No Alberta is not like Ontario. When Southern Alberta and Calgary in particular had the 2013 flood Albertans all pitched in and helped each other out. The world was amazed. If the same had happened to a large city in Ontario it would have looked like the flooding of New Orleans.
    The level of volunteerism in the City of Airdrie where I live would astound you.
    We are the only rat free jurisdiction in the world.
    We can get by with the squealing Leftist Unionistas and their stamping of their pathetic little feet and their labour strikes.
    Albertans help each other out and the Unions will be committing suicide even as their Union jobs are privatized.
    Most of the economy of Alberta comes from one industry, OIL.
    It is not an industry where Unions are well thought of and Albertans are turning to Wild Rose because of the PCs having grown the government too much and pandered to the Unions too much.
    No, Alberta is not like Ontario and will not be like Ontario.

  14. One more thing. Your “true” Conservative Mike Harris supported and vetted the candidacy of Belinda Stronach for the leadership of the new Conservative Party of Canada.
    I don’t think your definition of a true conservative concurs with my definition.

  15. My Uncle farmed with a propane tractor at Stavely Alberta. …5cents/Litre…….I drove Taxi in Calgary with propane. 7cents/Litre…..I’m 61 years old now so it was a few years back.

  16. and $18 at Shell, or the Co-op for lefties, just down the road, still in BC.
    I’ll take that $8 fill at Costco and run with it.
    I believe there is a ‘government requirement’, that propane for road use is pegged at 2/3 the price of gasoline. Anyone care to clarify or elaborate?
    And, as for the other thread comments, yup, Alberta, elections DO have consequences. The ugliness may not have been started because of the NDP, but, it will be deeper and longer, thanks to the statists and command/control economics, along with the greentard agenda of the commies.
    But oil prices will be blamed, always and forever/

  17. NDP voters were invited to buy $5 PC memberships at the door of PC leadership elections for both Stelmach and Redford. NDP voters voted strategically in the previous election to ensure Redford’s PCs were re-elected to government.
    Don’t tell me that “the ugliness may not have been started because of the NDP”.
    I don’t blame oil prices* or the NDP voters. I blame people who weren’t NDP voters/supporters who continued to vote PC when it was obvious that the PCs were corrupt.
    They were taken in by the ‘conservative’ in the name of the Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta.
    They won’t be fooled again.
    *Ralph Klein eliminated Alberta’s debt and made us debt free when oil was on average $30/bbl

  18. Oz: Alberta hasn’t been Conservative for decades. Lougheed and Co. loved big government. They meddled in business: remember the airline co, or the magnesium plant???….They weren’t conservatives and the proof came at election time. The ndp and liberals all voted PC because they were comfortable with Lougheed, Getty, Klein etc.
    As for AB being rat free, yesterday I saw a display of AB rats. Caught around the province, 40 in all, mounted by a taxidermist -some the size of house cats. Guess the Province is going to use them to ‘educate’ Albertans as to what a rat looks like. The Medicine Hat dump has been full of rats for years.
    Albertans might just take to the ndp. I wouldn’t bet 10 cents against them in the next election at this point.

  19. Oz Here here!!!
    Care to meet? i live in airdrie…
    Sadly i think abtrapper may be right alberta definitely has a huge true conservative base but given their cushy 150k/yr gov job or voting wild rose and a pay cut….they will cower every time.
    Having said that i think Airdrie and a few other riding’s are unique in that we don’t like big gov no matter how rich or cushy it may make us. Not to mention old school airdronians (yes i am a beleiver in airdronians as opposed to peter socialist browns airdrians) will never forget what the province has done to us here in airdrie i have been schooled (moved here in 2002) This city has been shit on by the province for decades. And so we will always buck the system. sadly the socialist commie sluts have moved here from parasitic Toronto Vancouver and Calgary sadly Calgary is now a progressive city. We will be watered down to the point of erasing the history and we will soon be another pc/ndp liberal city the green bins was a tip off to me. So i called the mayor and told him if he puts a bin at my house i will throw it through the front window of city hall. he was nice enough to ask me my address and i did not receive it yet i still pay for it but apartment owners do not

  20. Albertan voters, who are by and large conservatives, have been duped into thinking that the PCs were conservative because the name of the Progressive Conservatives lulls them into thinking so.
    I have lived and ranged all over Alberta for over 50 years and only seen a white lab rat in a high school science lab.
    That is being rat free.
    I can walk to the top of the street that I live on, and there is a wheat field. A highway runs perpendicular to it and across that highway is a home that has fields and cattle with calves in the front yard to protect them from the coyotes. No rats. Anywhere.
    When I put my garbage out to be collected, sometimes if it isn’t covered right, maybe a magpie or a crow will pick into the bag or I’ve even looked out a second story window of my home at night and watched a coyote ambling down the middle of the street, but I’ve never seen a rat in Alberta. Ever.
    That is rat free.
    When Albertans see the drop in their job opportunities and their taxes raised(especially the imposition of a provincial sales tax) they will go ballistic on the NDP. Oil companies are not union companies and the professionals who have lived a culture of selling their abilities for a salary level that they seek and set through individual bargaining will not take kindly to being tax raped to feed collective bargaining union stooges.
    We already have a very good quality of life here in Alberta and the people who are connected to the single major industry of this province will know and let it be known who to blame for the precipitous drop in household GDP and the income they have to disburse to private venders, service people, and trainers currently enriching their lifestyles. People, strangers, still talk to each other here in Alberta.
    We have great roads here in Alberta, with wide shoulders.
    We have -30 degree Celsius days in the winter that cause frost heaves and pound the pavement to rubble by springtime. The Alberta NDP, like the Saskatchewan NDP, will be mean when it comes to infrastructure spending because they want to blow all the money on public unions and social engineering. The degradation of infrastructure in Alberta will be a vast visual testament to NDP mismanagement that will, in just 4 years, be a major cause alone for Albertans to reject the NDP.
    Albertans won’t vote Liberal. If I have to tell you why you aren’t worth the effort.
    When a party like the UFA or the Socreds get turfed they are DONE and never make a comeback. This is Alberta political culture.
    The PCs just got one of the worst drubbings in Alberta political history and Jim Prentice resigning and slinking away to political oblivion seals the fate of the PCs, especially after the resignations of Redford and Stelmach before him.
    Good news! Wild Rose picked up seats after being stabbed in the back!
    They are Conservative/Libertarian and as the underdog which made a comeback surge after being knocked to the canvass will be the next Alberta government.
    Geeze, I can’t believe I’m spending so much time explaining Alberta to people who seem to know so little or really don’t seem to even care about Alberta and it’s culture.

  22. Hi again, Oz.
    I think that you sense I was not liking Alberta.
    Fact is, I love Alberta and in many ways, I used to wish I lived there. I am not criticizing but I am deeply concerned.
    Having lived through a transitioned Ontario from a prosperous province to a back water, I know what I’m talking about.
    Your only hope is that when you elect the WR (and you will), you will stay with them.
    However, when your people get used to the handouts, it won’t matter about oil. They will go hard left to keep their cushy jobs and perks and as they say here, “welcome to Ontario.”
    I’m sorry, but time will prove me correct. I only wish I was wrong.

  23. FrankQ is right you are not exempt, we in Ontario just went there and Quebec preceded us.
    There’s lots of oil in the world, nobody needs the oil sands and once the gubmint employs enough people that vote for a living in Alberta it’s over.
    We will see more G20, Caledonia, Hay River police state tactics as we slide.
    Prime Minister Steve should have reduced the STATE.

  24. With rats in Alberta, it’s not that they read a sign at the border and stay out. Farms along the border have poisoned bait stations. Rats that end up being here are pursued mercilessly until all signs are gone. The cost of killing rats is amazingly cheap, probably less than 1% of the cost of damage they would do. I have never seen a rat in my life.

  25. Oz – I too have lived in rural AB for many decades. Have I ever seen a rat? No I haven’t but I know what they and their tracks look like. When I was a colt(60’s) I moved out to the coast and worked for AB/Pacific Grain at a terminal grain elevator. I used to shoot rats on the grave yard shift with a sling shot. The place was infested.
    A number of years back while travelling in the US I met a gal who told me she thought Bush had ‘stolen’ the election because she didn’t know one person who voted for him? The rat situation in AB is reaching critical mass. Google ‘rats at the Medicine Hat dump’. The rats the taxidermist showed me yesterday were caught all over the province, including Calgary. Alberta has a lot of skin in this game. It’s claim to being the only rat free zone in the world is being challenged. I’m not saying we are over run with the nasty rodents but they are here whether we like it or not.
    Albertan’s will vote liberal just like they voted ndp. You may recall Laurence Decore a former mayor of Edmonton who led the liberal party in AB. A very smart guy who swept Edmonton in the 86? election and had the PC’s on the ropes. A charismatic leader can do that.
    The hard core Conservatives in the province are the ranch community. Some property rights concerned farmers buy in and a few industry types but there are not enough conservative votes at this time to elect one WR member in the cities.

  26. Oz
    There is no problem understanding the recent history of the Proggcons, and the hijacking of the party.
    My question was strictly regarding the pricing formula for road use propane. Its prices have been artificially high for quite some time, as the gubermint must take more than its pound of flesh.

  27. Alberta is no different than any other place. I call it critical mass: the takers and the useful idiots outnumber the makers. Once that happens its like the flush lever has been pushed and things can’t be called back.

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