97 Replies to ““Organic” Is The Latin Word For “There’s One Born Every Minute””
Re monopolies: How correct you are. I was raised on a dairy farm and due to the quota system there were times it was more profitable to pour milk on the ground than to ship it. Great system.
Re stress: One summer some of my friends and I got jobs cleaning chicken barns out. Far worse than cow or pig dung. It’s not the smell, it’s the burning of the eyes. Little smaller than an arena. Anyways the owner told us that you had to be careful around the chickens because they freaked out very easily and had been known to stampede and pile up in the corners. Sounds stressed out to me.
Re: organic. Are they?? Are you sure?? Are there inspectors there every day to make sure? Can we count on the farmers to be ethical when there are huge profits to be made?
John Galt. I will joyfully gobble down my 99 cent / lb. turkey this weekend. By the way, I’m 62 and healthier than 90% of my peers. It would probably be 99% if I hadn’t smoked for 40 years. Zero illness so far this year. My diet is high protein, low carb. Lots of dairy products and meat. Yum Yum. I didn’t know that organic turkeys walked around with their beaks in the air. By the way where do you buy their a**holes?
Damn you for mentioning turducken. That and bbq is what I miss most about Texas. Yeah, most places around here have the $.99/lb birds. Some places also have fresh (never frozen) birds and of course all have the “Futility” birds even cheaper. Taste wise most utility birds are the same. The biggest beef I have with utility is that they often look like they tried to make a run for it from the slaughterhouse or met up with a gaggle of Canada Geese. Missing wings, broken legs, patches of feathers still on it. Not great if you want to do the presentation and carving thing with your turkey dinner.
Turducken, turkey, goose, ham or spam, whatever Kate and her readers dine on is fine with me if they are thankful they are in Canada.
John, were do buy “stupid” that you can eat?
If you cannot taste the difference between $0.99 turkey raised in a cage eating nothing but feed engineered to speed growth and no exercise to build muscle tone, collagen and bones, and pasture-raised turkey feeding on bugs and grass which grow slower and develop collagen-replete, mitochondria-replete, flavour-replete muscles, tendons and skin, then spend $0.99 per pound. One advantage of the $0.99 turkey is that it cooks faster because there is hardly any collagen to break down. Of course, eating collagen deficient meat can have its downsides. A colleague recently snapped an Achilles tendon playing tennis. I suggested he supplement collagen or eat bone broth of older birds (Reply: “That is what the specialist told me” and predicted he regularly ate skinless chicken breasts from the supermarket. (Reply: How did you guess.) Eating factory food doesn’t make a difference, until it makes a difference.
Well, I’m buying one of those Winter Turkeys. Gonna get it right from the Winters farm, which is just a couple of miles out of Cowgary near Indus. I like shopping local and I like shopping Alberta and I like shopping Canada. Take that you tight wad cheap skates.
And it’ll cost me half of what Calgary Co-op sells them for.
We have a standing order with our” Chicken Pimp” down the road for 10 chickens in September and 1 turkey in November. 10-12lbs chickens are about $16.00 each and the turkey at 18-20lbs is around $65.00. Farm raised and free range.
Pick up day is a real social event.
I’m 62 and healthier than 90% of my peers. … Zero illness so far this year. My diet is high protein, low carb. Lots of dairy products and meat.
I’m older than that and just as healthy by those standards, and also eat “high protein, low carb. … dairy products and meat” so your point that your good health is caused by eating cheap food is invalid.
in the case of dairy and poultry products, relying on monopolistic supply-management systems that (a) eliminate the possibility of true open-market competition, and (b) screws consumers in the super markets.
The photo that heads this discussion invalidates your argument. Open market competition seems to be doing quite well at the Co-Op store, and consumers are getting options to chose from.
You missed the point completely. The point is buying a 100 dollar turkey is stupid. Period. End of sentence.
I eat what ever the hell I want to eat whenever I want to eat it. Don’t care about much of the ‘nutrition’ guide stuff other than sodium %. I don’t like any processed food that is too salty but I also eat french fries with lots of salt and vinegar when I want to.
The key to longevity is genetics. Period. End of sentence.
The national chain store in our town also sells organic and non-organic poultry. A friend works in the meat department and tells me that the organic poultry is always in high demand and they can’t keep enough on the shelves to keep up with customer demand. They quickly sell every bit of organic poultry and pork they can get from their suppliers.
Why would anyone have a problem with that? Isn’t a choice of options what free market is all about?
Smart move Kate. Anytime you include the word “organic” in the title the number of comments is 3x or 4x most discussions.
No, you missed the point. If products that some people consider “stupid” were banned as you seem to suggest, then merchants wouldn’t be making the profits they do. I eat what ever the hell I want to eat whenever I want to eat it.
So why should you care what others choose to eat, even if you think what they eat is “stupid”. There are people who consider what you eat as “stupid” too, so what?
Believing that longevity is only due to genetics is overly simplistic.
As a hunter I have eaten grouse, pheasant, Canada goose, and a variety of wild ducks. I honestly prefer to eat the 99 cent domestic turkey over any game bird I have ever eaten.
Damn. Here I was, thinking all along that maybe all these Canadian shoppers crossing the border by the tens of thousands to buy US dairy and poultry products validated my argument. How could I have been so wrong?
So tell you what, you go ahead and buy yourself some hens and dairy cattle and try the Canadian free enterprise system without buying quota.
You beat me to it.
John:”you are what you eat, and some people are just cheap, contaminated turkeys” the implication being that people who eat cheap turkeys are cheap and contaminated.How condescending of you.I was just pointing out that is not necessarily true and to get off your high horse, the latter point being one you missed completely. May I suggest you eat more fish.
Sporty I too stay away from junk food and I agree with you totally about genetics. It’s not the end all to be all, but it has a lot to do with it as does not dying accidentally. I see that Mr Galt seems to think you wrote something about banning foods. You did no such thing. The man obviously has problems with comprehension.
Valiant effort again James. Poor old Johnny Galt actually wrote “Why would anyone have a problem with that? Isn’t a choice of options what free market is all about?”. Bwahahahaha. Can someone else please tell him about supply management in Canada? Clearly, I’m not getting the message across.
How is supply management effecting your free choice?
Contamination in cheap meat, especially poultry because of contaminants in their cheap feed, is well documented if you choose to look.
What you choose to cram in your pie hole is up to you.
Is someone forcing you to buy $100 organic turkeys?
“contaminated chicken feed” Google search about 200,000 choices to educate yourself.
Those who consider education inconvenient, will be surprised by the cost of ignorance.
Took a photo of a single organic boneless, skinless chicken breast at Calgary Co-op a couple of months ago that was priced at $9.83 @ 39.99/kg. Ludicrous!
I’ll have to sell a couple of $75 litres of organic milk to afford this turkey.
The way most governments are printing money today, it’s only a matter of time.
Ad hominem arguments and personal attacks are a tacit admission of an inability to support an opinion with facts. They say a lot about the person’s character and the validity of their opinions.
Funny how quality appears to follow price.
Or maybe not.
Any way, I swear my truck runs poorer, during gasoline price wars……..
“…I’m not getting the message across…”
Crayons Shawn. Draw a picture. A simple picture. You know – big house/little house.
Expensive supply-managed cow = expensive milk. No cheap cows = no cheap milk = no free choice to buy cheap milk.
I did.
From a Consumer’s Report article:
“The study found no significant difference between the two in terms of contamination: Both organic and conventional chicken were tainted with potentially harmful pathogens.
As I said before –
Re: organic. Are they?? Are you sure?? Are there inspectors there every day to make sure? Can we count on the farmers to be ethical when there are huge profits to be made?”
By the way, YOU started the personal attacks. If you want to spend 7 – 8X as much for questionable health advantages, go ahead. We have immune systems for a reason.
If I’m going to spend that much on a turkey, it had better damn well cook itself.
Well said.
I’m going with the thread title. Cure all snake oil also did well at one time.
Even “free range” chickens, turkeys, etc get factory made concentrate at the beginning of their lifespan.
During my farming career I have seen how “organic” grain crops are grown and the thread headline covers that also.
Now that we do not grow our own chickens any longer we get them and our Christmas turkey from the local Hutterite colony. A local business near Saskatoon that sells “farm fresh” poultry and other products gets their turkeys from the same Hutterite colony, as does the Lillydale company, and from the same barns.
A fella who steals a name from an Ayn Rand novel ought to know about the perils of a communist system of protectionism via high tariffs, zero trade, and cartel-controlled domestic-only production… or maybe he didn’t read/understand the books…
A friend of mine raises truly free range turkeys. They run free on his farmstead. He only raises the bronze turkeys which I assume since they are the same colour as the wild turkeys that they would qualify as heritage turkeys. He slaughters them and dry plucks them and sells them fresh never frozen at a premium. Of course thanks to Canada’s silly poultry marketing board he is limited in what he can raise and sell but he has standing orders from year to year for his turkeys. Yes the celebration turkey is worth the extra money.
Staphylococcus aureus and e coli are the 2 most common poultry contaminants by a long chalk.
Both are naturally occurring(and do to poor food handling) and have nothing to do with the feed, as are the next dozen contenders also.
You believe so much Leftist rubbish, north-of-60.
“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
~Ronald Reagan
I just Googled New York organic turkey. Here is what happens to organic turkey prices when you have truly open and free markets.
Fairway
480-500 Van Brunt Street, Red Hook, (718) 694-6868
Cost of 13-lb. organic turkey: $45.50.
Pre-order by: 11/22
Fresh Fanatic
275 Park Ave, Clinton Hill, (888) 373-7404
13-lb. organic turkey: $45.50
Pre-order by: 11/16
Now I’m not much of a mathematician, but I figure that works out to $7.70 per kilo…versus the $16.51 on the sticker above.
Naawwww. Canadian consumers ain’t getting screwed on poultry and dairy products.
“Typically, the biggest challenge faced by U.S. exporters is that fact that most turkey meat products in Canada are import controlled. The restrictive turkey TRQ allows up to 5,588 MT to enter the market duty free every year. Imports for domestic use exceeding that amount, however, face a restrictive tariff that can reach 170 percent.” Source: http://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent%20GAIN%20Publications/Turkey%20Meat%20in%20Canada%20%E2%80%93%20Market%20Brief_Ottawa_Canada_5-28-2014.pdf So, I erred. I assumed the tariff was over 200%. This tariff explains most of the price distortion outlined by Jamie MacMaster. Very small producers can sell without quota. Larger (lower cost per bird) producers must borrow money to purchase expensive, limited quota, thus limiting access to the market by prospective producers/ competitors, thereby limiting choice and increasing prices for consumers. Sorry Jamie. I’m not good at drawing with crayons.
“I kill and eat WILD turkeys and they taste just like the big fat Butterballs in the supermarket.”
LOL…so you are paying a lot more than an organic turkey for your turkeys 🙂
This whole hunting thing to get free organic meat is really killing my pocketbook!!
Pluck you! No, pluck you!
My only hope is the turkey farmer got a good chunk of that hundred bucks.
“…My only hope is the turkey farmer got a good chunk of that hundred bucks. …”
He’ll likely need it…to pay off his quota debt.
Canadians can take satisfaction knowing that every bite of Canuck turkey they take this weekend probably supports a closed door screw-the-consumer marketing monopoly.
Contaminants and toxins in animal feeds In global terms, animal feeds and forages contain a wide range of contaminants and toxins arising from anthropogenic and natural sources. In this article, the distribution of heavy metals, radionuclides, mycotoxins, plant toxins, antibiotics and microbial pathogens in cereals, complete feeds and forages is reviewed. The impacts on farm livestock productivity and on the safety of resulting edible products are also considered. Evidence is provided to demonstrate that feeds contain a variety of substances as co-contaminants and that there are regional differences in the nature of the compounds involved. http://www.fao.org/docrep/ARTICLE/AGRIPPA/X9500E04.HTM
Some people argue with opinions and personal attacks; others use facts.
The readers will decide for themselves which is more credible.
Do they let them outside at all?
A new organic chicken farm just started next to me. For the first month he let them outside. Until the week I drove by and there were five to six bald eagles sitting on the fenceposts choosing their lunch.
Talk about stress
From a Consumer’s Report article:
“The study found no significant difference between the two in terms of contamination: Both organic and conventional chicken were tainted with potentially harmful pathogens….Posted by: RGB
The consumers report article likely stated Staphylococcus aureus and e coli are the poultry contaminants commonly found, and are naturally occurring in the slaughterhouses all poultry must be processed at, both industrial and organic. Both are killed by properly cooking at the correct temperature.
The toxins in the meat from the feed will not be destroyed by cooking.
Feed contaminants are widespread in cheap meat. You are what you eat.
The poultry I eat comes from local farms, I buy direct from them. They are raised traditionally on grain feed, which contains no animal parts from slaughterhouses or trash fish from polluted waters. No marketing boards are involved.
Eating uncontaminated food is like wearing a helmet or a seat belt. Don’t bother if you’ve got nothing valuable to protect from injury.
We can lead people to knowledge but we can’t make them think.
Thanks Oz and RGB, I’m always pleased when you acknowledge that you read my messages, even though you obviously misinterpret them to fit your agenda. That’s OK, everyone else who can read and comprehend knows better than your interpretation of what anyone states. The personal attacks clearly show that your preconceived notions are being challenged and of course it makes you confused and you lash out in anger. It’s so predictable. If it brings you pleasure then what’s the harm, eh? Venting anger at some stranger on a public forum is pathetic but amusing none the less. The important thing is that reading my messages challenges your mind with new and unfamiliar concepts, even if you don’t understand them. The main thing is that you’re reading and learning new stuff.
Just to be clear, my statements have been solely about the label “Organic”,though I wonder if the grain feed your turkeys eat is pesticide free
Oz – Staphylococcus aureus and e coli are the 2 most common poultry contaminants by a long chalk.
Both are naturally occurring(and do to poor food handling) and have nothing to do with the feed, as are the next dozen contenders.
Refute it – it shouldn’t be a problem if you have the facts.
Ken Kulak – Even “free range” chickens, turkeys, etc get factory made concentrate at the beginning of their lifespan.
Again refute it etc., keeping in mind that he is actually a farmer
The contaminants must remain within the poultry otherwise logically you wouldn’t be making the argument for not eating poultry fed contaminated food.
I asked previously if it was Grade A. I got no answer to such a basic and simple question so I must assume it’s not. This means that the bird is not gov’t inspected. Therefore their handling procedures are not up to any std. How healthy is that? Sure it’s certified by Ecocert Canada but they’re only concerned with the feed.
RGB – Re: organic. Are they?? Are you sure?? Are there inspectors there every day to make sure? Can we count on the farmers to be ethical when there are huge profits to be made?”
Again unanswered simple questions. Twice. The answer must be no as you surely would have pounced on it to prove me wrong. Fact is Ecocert does on site inspections once a year, meaning they don’t 364 days in a non-leap year, assuming an inspection takes a day. They do surprise inspections but they don’t say how often. These inspections are done by volunteer “experts” for the privately owned Ecocert. Still no gov’t quality control.
Your link http://www.fao.org/docrep/ARTICLE/AGRIPPA/X9500E04.HTM concerns the EU in general and GB specifically. Sorry to say it’s relevance to Canada is basically non-existant. The SSR’s were incredibly polluted and most still are. Abundant heavy metals. Europe has more nuclear reactors than anyone. Chernobyl. How about standards that pertain to Canada??
Again, ad nausem, you bring up personal attacks, of which you made 4 or 5 and which you started. The closest OZ came was to quote Ronald Reagan. I said you need to eat more fish, a general statement, as most North Americans should. My comment on your faulty comprehension regarding Sporty is indisputable.
The only conclusion I can come to is that you find questioning of your statements as personal attacks.
I think most readers here would agree with me that you have a major problem with projecting your faults onto others.
By the way, the major thing to be learnt from your posts is that you’re a complete and utter a-hole.
“…I think most readers here would agree with me that you have a major problem with projecting your faults onto others. ..”
Oh….I don’t know about that. Poll Time!
Oz vs. Johhny G
Re monopolies: How correct you are. I was raised on a dairy farm and due to the quota system there were times it was more profitable to pour milk on the ground than to ship it. Great system.
Re stress: One summer some of my friends and I got jobs cleaning chicken barns out. Far worse than cow or pig dung. It’s not the smell, it’s the burning of the eyes. Little smaller than an arena. Anyways the owner told us that you had to be careful around the chickens because they freaked out very easily and had been known to stampede and pile up in the corners. Sounds stressed out to me.
Re: organic. Are they?? Are you sure?? Are there inspectors there every day to make sure? Can we count on the farmers to be ethical when there are huge profits to be made?
John Galt. I will joyfully gobble down my 99 cent / lb. turkey this weekend. By the way, I’m 62 and healthier than 90% of my peers. It would probably be 99% if I hadn’t smoked for 40 years. Zero illness so far this year. My diet is high protein, low carb. Lots of dairy products and meat. Yum Yum. I didn’t know that organic turkeys walked around with their beaks in the air. By the way where do you buy their a**holes?
Damn you for mentioning turducken. That and bbq is what I miss most about Texas. Yeah, most places around here have the $.99/lb birds. Some places also have fresh (never frozen) birds and of course all have the “Futility” birds even cheaper. Taste wise most utility birds are the same. The biggest beef I have with utility is that they often look like they tried to make a run for it from the slaughterhouse or met up with a gaggle of Canada Geese. Missing wings, broken legs, patches of feathers still on it. Not great if you want to do the presentation and carving thing with your turkey dinner.
Turducken, turkey, goose, ham or spam, whatever Kate and her readers dine on is fine with me if they are thankful they are in Canada.
John, were do buy “stupid” that you can eat?
If you cannot taste the difference between $0.99 turkey raised in a cage eating nothing but feed engineered to speed growth and no exercise to build muscle tone, collagen and bones, and pasture-raised turkey feeding on bugs and grass which grow slower and develop collagen-replete, mitochondria-replete, flavour-replete muscles, tendons and skin, then spend $0.99 per pound. One advantage of the $0.99 turkey is that it cooks faster because there is hardly any collagen to break down. Of course, eating collagen deficient meat can have its downsides. A colleague recently snapped an Achilles tendon playing tennis. I suggested he supplement collagen or eat bone broth of older birds (Reply: “That is what the specialist told me” and predicted he regularly ate skinless chicken breasts from the supermarket. (Reply: How did you guess.) Eating factory food doesn’t make a difference, until it makes a difference.
Well, I’m buying one of those Winter Turkeys. Gonna get it right from the Winters farm, which is just a couple of miles out of Cowgary near Indus. I like shopping local and I like shopping Alberta and I like shopping Canada. Take that you tight wad cheap skates.
And it’ll cost me half of what Calgary Co-op sells them for.
We have a standing order with our” Chicken Pimp” down the road for 10 chickens in September and 1 turkey in November. 10-12lbs chickens are about $16.00 each and the turkey at 18-20lbs is around $65.00. Farm raised and free range.
Pick up day is a real social event.
I’m 62 and healthier than 90% of my peers. … Zero illness so far this year. My diet is high protein, low carb. Lots of dairy products and meat.
I’m older than that and just as healthy by those standards, and also eat “high protein, low carb. … dairy products and meat” so your point that your good health is caused by eating cheap food is invalid.
in the case of dairy and poultry products, relying on monopolistic supply-management systems that (a) eliminate the possibility of true open-market competition, and (b) screws consumers in the super markets.
The photo that heads this discussion invalidates your argument. Open market competition seems to be doing quite well at the Co-Op store, and consumers are getting options to chose from.
You missed the point completely. The point is buying a 100 dollar turkey is stupid. Period. End of sentence.
I eat what ever the hell I want to eat whenever I want to eat it. Don’t care about much of the ‘nutrition’ guide stuff other than sodium %. I don’t like any processed food that is too salty but I also eat french fries with lots of salt and vinegar when I want to.
The key to longevity is genetics. Period. End of sentence.
The national chain store in our town also sells organic and non-organic poultry. A friend works in the meat department and tells me that the organic poultry is always in high demand and they can’t keep enough on the shelves to keep up with customer demand. They quickly sell every bit of organic poultry and pork they can get from their suppliers.
Why would anyone have a problem with that? Isn’t a choice of options what free market is all about?
Smart move Kate. Anytime you include the word “organic” in the title the number of comments is 3x or 4x most discussions.
No, you missed the point. If products that some people consider “stupid” were banned as you seem to suggest, then merchants wouldn’t be making the profits they do.
I eat what ever the hell I want to eat whenever I want to eat it.
So why should you care what others choose to eat, even if you think what they eat is “stupid”. There are people who consider what you eat as “stupid” too, so what?
Believing that longevity is only due to genetics is overly simplistic.
As a hunter I have eaten grouse, pheasant, Canada goose, and a variety of wild ducks. I honestly prefer to eat the 99 cent domestic turkey over any game bird I have ever eaten.
Damn. Here I was, thinking all along that maybe all these Canadian shoppers crossing the border by the tens of thousands to buy US dairy and poultry products validated my argument. How could I have been so wrong?
So tell you what, you go ahead and buy yourself some hens and dairy cattle and try the Canadian free enterprise system without buying quota.
You beat me to it.
John:”you are what you eat, and some people are just cheap, contaminated turkeys” the implication being that people who eat cheap turkeys are cheap and contaminated.How condescending of you.I was just pointing out that is not necessarily true and to get off your high horse, the latter point being one you missed completely. May I suggest you eat more fish.
Sporty I too stay away from junk food and I agree with you totally about genetics. It’s not the end all to be all, but it has a lot to do with it as does not dying accidentally. I see that Mr Galt seems to think you wrote something about banning foods. You did no such thing. The man obviously has problems with comprehension.
Valiant effort again James. Poor old Johnny Galt actually wrote “Why would anyone have a problem with that? Isn’t a choice of options what free market is all about?”. Bwahahahaha. Can someone else please tell him about supply management in Canada? Clearly, I’m not getting the message across.
How is supply management effecting your free choice?
Contamination in cheap meat, especially poultry because of contaminants in their cheap feed, is well documented if you choose to look.
What you choose to cram in your pie hole is up to you.
Is someone forcing you to buy $100 organic turkeys?
“contaminated chicken feed” Google search about 200,000 choices to educate yourself.
Those who consider education inconvenient, will be surprised by the cost of ignorance.
Took a photo of a single organic boneless, skinless chicken breast at Calgary Co-op a couple of months ago that was priced at $9.83 @ 39.99/kg. Ludicrous!
I’ll have to sell a couple of $75 litres of organic milk to afford this turkey.
The way most governments are printing money today, it’s only a matter of time.
Ad hominem arguments and personal attacks are a tacit admission of an inability to support an opinion with facts. They say a lot about the person’s character and the validity of their opinions.
With all due respect to Lizzie Browning, “How do I screw thee. Let me count the ways”. Actually, I don’t have the time, I have to harvest dry beans tomorrow at international prices. But here’s this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/analysis-5-reasons-to-defend-farm-marketing-boards-1.1186293 and this: http://www.comoxvalleyecho.com/news/local/local-farm-awarded-new-quota-to-raise-turkeys-1.971354 “We’ve been waiting for this quota for four and a half years so this is really good news for us.” Sounds like your free choice and free markets for dairy and poultry are alive and well in Canada, so I was wrong. Cheers.
Funny how quality appears to follow price.
Or maybe not.
Any way, I swear my truck runs poorer, during gasoline price wars……..
“…I’m not getting the message across…”
Crayons Shawn. Draw a picture. A simple picture. You know – big house/little house.
Expensive supply-managed cow = expensive milk. No cheap cows = no cheap milk = no free choice to buy cheap milk.
Kate. Can I upload a picture?
Is this relevant? http://www.conferenceboard.ca/cfic/research/2014/dairysupply.aspx (same system for turkeys)
I did.
From a Consumer’s Report article:
“The study found no significant difference between the two in terms of contamination: Both organic and conventional chicken were tainted with potentially harmful pathogens.
As I said before –
Re: organic. Are they?? Are you sure?? Are there inspectors there every day to make sure? Can we count on the farmers to be ethical when there are huge profits to be made?”
By the way, YOU started the personal attacks. If you want to spend 7 – 8X as much for questionable health advantages, go ahead. We have immune systems for a reason.
If I’m going to spend that much on a turkey, it had better damn well cook itself.
Well said.
I’m going with the thread title. Cure all snake oil also did well at one time.
Even “free range” chickens, turkeys, etc get factory made concentrate at the beginning of their lifespan.
During my farming career I have seen how “organic” grain crops are grown and the thread headline covers that also.
Now that we do not grow our own chickens any longer we get them and our Christmas turkey from the local Hutterite colony. A local business near Saskatoon that sells “farm fresh” poultry and other products gets their turkeys from the same Hutterite colony, as does the Lillydale company, and from the same barns.
A fella who steals a name from an Ayn Rand novel ought to know about the perils of a communist system of protectionism via high tariffs, zero trade, and cartel-controlled domestic-only production… or maybe he didn’t read/understand the books…
A friend of mine raises truly free range turkeys. They run free on his farmstead. He only raises the bronze turkeys which I assume since they are the same colour as the wild turkeys that they would qualify as heritage turkeys. He slaughters them and dry plucks them and sells them fresh never frozen at a premium. Of course thanks to Canada’s silly poultry marketing board he is limited in what he can raise and sell but he has standing orders from year to year for his turkeys. Yes the celebration turkey is worth the extra money.
Staphylococcus aureus and e coli are the 2 most common poultry contaminants by a long chalk.
Both are naturally occurring(and do to poor food handling) and have nothing to do with the feed, as are the next dozen contenders also.
You believe so much Leftist rubbish, north-of-60.
“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
~Ronald Reagan
I just Googled New York organic turkey. Here is what happens to organic turkey prices when you have truly open and free markets.
Fairway
480-500 Van Brunt Street, Red Hook, (718) 694-6868
Cost of 13-lb. organic turkey: $45.50.
Pre-order by: 11/22
Fresh Fanatic
275 Park Ave, Clinton Hill, (888) 373-7404
13-lb. organic turkey: $45.50
Pre-order by: 11/16
Now I’m not much of a mathematician, but I figure that works out to $7.70 per kilo…versus the $16.51 on the sticker above.
Naawwww. Canadian consumers ain’t getting screwed on poultry and dairy products.
“Typically, the biggest challenge faced by U.S. exporters is that fact that most turkey meat products in Canada are import controlled. The restrictive turkey TRQ allows up to 5,588 MT to enter the market duty free every year. Imports for domestic use exceeding that amount, however, face a restrictive tariff that can reach 170 percent.” Source: http://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent%20GAIN%20Publications/Turkey%20Meat%20in%20Canada%20%E2%80%93%20Market%20Brief_Ottawa_Canada_5-28-2014.pdf So, I erred. I assumed the tariff was over 200%. This tariff explains most of the price distortion outlined by Jamie MacMaster. Very small producers can sell without quota. Larger (lower cost per bird) producers must borrow money to purchase expensive, limited quota, thus limiting access to the market by prospective producers/ competitors, thereby limiting choice and increasing prices for consumers. Sorry Jamie. I’m not good at drawing with crayons.
“I kill and eat WILD turkeys and they taste just like the big fat Butterballs in the supermarket.”
LOL…so you are paying a lot more than an organic turkey for your turkeys 🙂
This whole hunting thing to get free organic meat is really killing my pocketbook!!
Pluck you! No, pluck you!
My only hope is the turkey farmer got a good chunk of that hundred bucks.
“…My only hope is the turkey farmer got a good chunk of that hundred bucks. …”
He’ll likely need it…to pay off his quota debt.
Canadians can take satisfaction knowing that every bite of Canuck turkey they take this weekend probably supports a closed door screw-the-consumer marketing monopoly.
Contaminants and toxins in animal feeds
In global terms, animal feeds and forages contain a wide range of contaminants and toxins arising from anthropogenic and natural sources. In this article, the distribution of heavy metals, radionuclides, mycotoxins, plant toxins, antibiotics and microbial pathogens in cereals, complete feeds and forages is reviewed. The impacts on farm livestock productivity and on the safety of resulting edible products are also considered. Evidence is provided to demonstrate that feeds contain a variety of substances as co-contaminants and that there are regional differences in the nature of the compounds involved.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/ARTICLE/AGRIPPA/X9500E04.HTM
Some people argue with opinions and personal attacks; others use facts.
The readers will decide for themselves which is more credible.
Do they let them outside at all?
A new organic chicken farm just started next to me. For the first month he let them outside. Until the week I drove by and there were five to six bald eagles sitting on the fenceposts choosing their lunch.
Talk about stress
From a Consumer’s Report article:
“The study found no significant difference between the two in terms of contamination: Both organic and conventional chicken were tainted with potentially harmful pathogens….Posted by: RGB
The consumers report article likely stated Staphylococcus aureus and e coli are the poultry contaminants commonly found, and are naturally occurring in the slaughterhouses all poultry must be processed at, both industrial and organic. Both are killed by properly cooking at the correct temperature.
The toxins in the meat from the feed will not be destroyed by cooking.
Feed contaminants are widespread in cheap meat. You are what you eat.
The poultry I eat comes from local farms, I buy direct from them. They are raised traditionally on grain feed, which contains no animal parts from slaughterhouses or trash fish from polluted waters. No marketing boards are involved.
Eating uncontaminated food is like wearing a helmet or a seat belt. Don’t bother if you’ve got nothing valuable to protect from injury.
We can lead people to knowledge but we can’t make them think.
Thanks Oz and RGB, I’m always pleased when you acknowledge that you read my messages, even though you obviously misinterpret them to fit your agenda. That’s OK, everyone else who can read and comprehend knows better than your interpretation of what anyone states. The personal attacks clearly show that your preconceived notions are being challenged and of course it makes you confused and you lash out in anger. It’s so predictable. If it brings you pleasure then what’s the harm, eh? Venting anger at some stranger on a public forum is pathetic but amusing none the less. The important thing is that reading my messages challenges your mind with new and unfamiliar concepts, even if you don’t understand them. The main thing is that you’re reading and learning new stuff.
Just to be clear, my statements have been solely about the label “Organic”,though I wonder if the grain feed your turkeys eat is pesticide free
Oz – Staphylococcus aureus and e coli are the 2 most common poultry contaminants by a long chalk.
Both are naturally occurring(and do to poor food handling) and have nothing to do with the feed, as are the next dozen contenders.
Refute it – it shouldn’t be a problem if you have the facts.
Ken Kulak – Even “free range” chickens, turkeys, etc get factory made concentrate at the beginning of their lifespan.
Again refute it etc., keeping in mind that he is actually a farmer
The contaminants must remain within the poultry otherwise logically you wouldn’t be making the argument for not eating poultry fed contaminated food.
I asked previously if it was Grade A. I got no answer to such a basic and simple question so I must assume it’s not. This means that the bird is not gov’t inspected. Therefore their handling procedures are not up to any std. How healthy is that? Sure it’s certified by Ecocert Canada but they’re only concerned with the feed.
RGB – Re: organic. Are they?? Are you sure?? Are there inspectors there every day to make sure? Can we count on the farmers to be ethical when there are huge profits to be made?”
Again unanswered simple questions. Twice. The answer must be no as you surely would have pounced on it to prove me wrong. Fact is Ecocert does on site inspections once a year, meaning they don’t 364 days in a non-leap year, assuming an inspection takes a day. They do surprise inspections but they don’t say how often. These inspections are done by volunteer “experts” for the privately owned Ecocert. Still no gov’t quality control.
Your link http://www.fao.org/docrep/ARTICLE/AGRIPPA/X9500E04.HTM concerns the EU in general and GB specifically. Sorry to say it’s relevance to Canada is basically non-existant. The SSR’s were incredibly polluted and most still are. Abundant heavy metals. Europe has more nuclear reactors than anyone. Chernobyl. How about standards that pertain to Canada??
Again, ad nausem, you bring up personal attacks, of which you made 4 or 5 and which you started. The closest OZ came was to quote Ronald Reagan. I said you need to eat more fish, a general statement, as most North Americans should. My comment on your faulty comprehension regarding Sporty is indisputable.
The only conclusion I can come to is that you find questioning of your statements as personal attacks.
I think most readers here would agree with me that you have a major problem with projecting your faults onto others.
By the way, the major thing to be learnt from your posts is that you’re a complete and utter a-hole.
“…I think most readers here would agree with me that you have a major problem with projecting your faults onto others. ..”
Oh….I don’t know about that. Poll Time!
Oz vs. Johhny G