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“So did the Native Americans commit genocide against the pre-Native Americans?”
Probably! Their own oral traditions claim that.
Solutrean tools have been found in N. America in pre-clovis horizons. In Asia there are no artifacts, of the era, even remotely resembling clovis. It is possible but a a bit of a stretch to assume that clovis evolved from solutrean but clovis suddenly emerging in asian migrants on arrival makes as much sense as the Victorians developing jet aircraft….
Why not? They certainly committed genocide against fellow native bands. Treachery, genocide, cannibalism, slavery, feast and mass starvation resulting from famine were all part of the “utopian, one-with-nature existence” which is why, pre-revisionist history, they surrendered without a fight to the conquering civilization. For the first time in their history they were free from most of the above. Unfortunately they were ghetto-ized and put into a developmental stasis of indeterminate duration where they were increasingly made into dependents and encouraged to revise history to guilt their providers into greater and greater benefits. Most now have expectations that the 97% of the provider nation with less than 1/16 native racial purity consists of trespassing tenants on land which their long dead stone-age descendants barely survive on. Unfortunately, progressives in the Supreme Court have been conquered by that guilt and are incrementally putting Canada on the eventual road to civil war, which could ultimately mean genocide.
People killing and enslaving other people has gone on throughout history, until western civilization triumphed these last 100 years against the barbarians. Rape, Plunder and Pillage was SOP. Kill the men, take the women and the wealth for your tribe. And do it before the other tribe does it to you first. (The Stone Age Rule, not the Golden Rule.)
And when civilization is attacked by barbarians, you will see it happen today. Just ask the Christians and Yezidi in Iraq. If you can find any? Just ask the Nigerian victims of Boko Haram. They still have not brought back our girls?
Ask the Serbs in Kosovo; if you can find any?
I refrain from calling them “Native American”.
More accurately they are Pre-columbian. We have no evidence that they were native to NA – they likely came from somewhere else too. And it is irrefutable that there were others here before them.
Ummm, I’ve read many an archaeologists hypothesizing and bloviating over the years on this subject, and as usual the theories are as diverse as the people making them with a few crackpots in between. I know a few archaeologists and their opinions vary even among that small sampling. I will stick with the DNA evidence as it represents the most reliable hard evidence there is. There is simply no DNA evidence to suggest an earlier culture and if there was, the DNA would provide evidence of it. The kind of hate that spawns genocide of today simply did not exist back then. They were more pragmatic and would simply kill the men, take their women as wives or slaves to be used for labour and satisfying sexual urges. The good ole days.
“So did the Native Americans commit genocide against the pre-Native Americans?”
Even if DNA evidence confirms a Pre-columbian people that possibly were killed by Native Americans, and as John Chittick says, Native Americans committed genocide against each other, none of this will not ever get any traction as the monetarily lucrative victim culture and their political enablers would resist.
“The kind of hate that spawns genocide of today simply did not exist back then.”
Sure it did northernont. It has always existed and always will.
I believe there is a strong presence of a Spanish allele in some of the tribes around the great lakes area which predates the 1492 Spanish allele that shows up further south . seems to me it is in the Bryan Sykes book , will have to look it up.but first will have to find the book
“Native” Americans/Canadians is a great tool to suck from the white man. The North American Indians were a savage lot, they killed off whole tribes of their own people. None of them would exist today if it were not for the white man and how many are 100% Indian is another question, there’s a lot of scamming going on IMO and it will continue as long as there are people with a of Indian in their DNA. Who ever would be allowed to check that out?
We just need to keep the money flowing and apologizing for stuff today’s people are not responsible for. Maybe they should be apologizing to some of their own people, especially the Chiefs.
Of course they did. You don’t see any of the Dorset Culture people around these days, do you? As a matter of fact,
as is clear from Norse records, the skraelings gave the Norse a pretty hard time in the New World.
The distribution of Inuit was determined by the ferocity of Indian tribes to their south – who called them, pejoratively,
“Eskimo.”
Why are there Plains Indians on the Canadian Prairies? It’s a tough place to make a living. Most likely driven there
from the woodlands by the Iroquois esp. Mohawks, one of the two fighting tribes of the Six Nations.
In the Four Corners area, the Anasazi were systematically hunted almost to extermination. It’s not clear who did the dirty
deed, or how complete the genocide was – the Hopi etc. are probably their descendants.
When English culture evaporates under the barrage of immigration all these pints will be mote. because the “new” Canadians won’t give a fig for native culture or claims.
In twenty years natives will lose their lands & any funds from government.By Immigrants who have no treaties with them & will not hesitate to enforce that at gun point.
The time is coming & will soon be here when the aboriginal handouts will cease.
The native cultures (plural, hundreds of them, not one monolithic one as revisionist history would have you believe) had much to admire. That said, they had much to abhor (which revisionists would also like you to forget). The status of women was generally v low, slavery was common enough (indeed, some tribes’ economic systems were based on slavery, far more so than even the pre-Civil War South). Torture was common and inter-tribal genocide (consider the fate of the Huron people at Iroquois hands) so well documented that it needs no further proof. Human sacrifice and cannibalism were far from unknown. In short, nothing – nothing – that the white man did to them was something new or novel, something the natives had not done, did not avidly practise themselves. The sad truth – nothing to be proud of, just a bleak commentary – is merely that the whites were better at it.
Aaaand…. it was a long time ago. Wallowing in it won’t change things.
we are all so racist.
To suspect that the resident indians were human and behaved as humans always do..
This kind of thinking will lead to insinuating they are humans and subject to the same rights as the rest of us.
Therefore the official paternalistic sneering racism of low expectations might have to end.
That we should abolish the Apartheid institutions of the Indian act.
And put all those parasites at Indian Affairs out on the street.
Threatening the Institution of Depriving Native Americans of all hope, honour or future, is definitely a hate crime.
Yeah the Lakota originated in Minnesota then displaced the Cheyenne.
The “sacred” Black Hills changed ownership about 3 times after Columbus…..
The plain “Horse Culture” was a late phenomena barely longer than the “Mountain Man” culture/phenomena.
The Apache were driven from the plains by the Comanche….who probably exterminated the Anasazi…or was it the Navaho….
Tree hugging pacifists?…..NOT.
Henry Kelsey met and documented the Mandans….who had disappeared by the time of Lewis and Clarke’s tour.
When Jacque Cartier claimed the Gaspe for France by erecting a cross…the local potentate, an IROQUOIS chief showed up and complained bitterly.
When Cartier arrived on his next tour the Iroquois were gone and replaced by Algonquins…..and much like the disappearing Mandans, noboby knew nothin’….