Well, at least it was free.
Hanke’s partner, Morgan Kirby, told media gathered at C.P. Seeley Park that Hanke broke her ankle in three places when she slipped while retrieving a package from her front step on Aug. 12.
Kirby said she was sent home from Royal University Hospital and scheduled for surgery three days later, but she was then sent home again because there was no record of the scheduled surgery when she arrived for it.
She died five days later while waiting for a new date for the operation, he said.
“No one’s shocked, and that’s the scary part,” Kirby said. “We should be shocked right now. We should be floored. And we’re not.
“Because we all have heard this happen way too many times. It keeps happening. It keeps happening. It can’t happen.”
The family was told Hanke died from blood clots that travelled from the ankle into her lungs.
More root causes.
Does MAID even require an appointment, or is it drive-through?
Toronto is working on Drive-by options.
I witnessed the MAID of a suffering and terminal friend, without judgement. It wasn’t the expected Vet clinic euthenasia— more like a satanic ritual strung out over one hour. My choice will be a bottle of vodka and hypothermia.
Make yourself some nice toast to go with your vodka.
Have then both in a lovely warm bath, you’ll like it better than freezing.
Sam McGee would approve.
“We should be shocked right now. We should be floored. And we’re not. Because we all have heard this happen way too many times. It keeps happening. It keeps happening. It can’t happen.”
Nope, you cant get Canadians angry about anything …. except that Big Orange Squirrel to the south.
Oh yes ELBOWS UP PEOPLE……..Orange man bad………I would rather have ORANGE MAN than the idiot we have here as the anointed SAVIOR…..one who walks away from 75 BILLION IN TRADE, and now wants to dig in deeper and join the IMMIGRANT INFESTED EU crowd…….but oh yeah orange man bad………..sheesh
Donnie Two Scoops is nothing if not entertaining.
I loved his ad during the eclipse best. Loved it. Watched it over and over.
Ottawa, Ontario
Knee injury, 1 year and counting. MRI done at 2 months as I paid or it would have been more months. Referred to surgeon (accepted) at 3 months and now at 10 months from referral no appointment. Call to surgeons office has a voice message that requests for dates will not get a return call, shut up and wait.
No one to yell at. My doctors office says the referral is done, wait. Surgeons office is not answering, wait. Physio has sent faxes to both with no response (She’s the best, only reason I’m not on crutches. And the only one I pay for.).
Yeah, we live in the greatest country.
Start putting DMSO on your your knee ASAP. It not only reduces pain but has an incredible ability to heal tissue, joints, nerves, even things considered long dead. Do it often, daily. Read about how DMSO works and it’s long but forgotten history of healing at Substack, articles by The Midwestern Doctor. (I also know from experience.) Check dmsostore.com. Best source but I don’t know if they mail to Canada
And get some oxygen with that. Perhaps chlorine dioxide, or hyperbaric. The dmso will carry the oxygen.
Looked it up, read a few different articles.
Not a good mix with diabetes, will/may affect insulin control and will/may affect blood and nerves in the extremities that are common effects from diabetes.
That’s too questionable for me.
Fun fact. If you can afford to pay, you can travel to Sask or Alberta or BC (I don’t know about other provinces) to have “elective” surgery done.
As a resident of Alberta I couldn’t get and pay privately for that same surgery here, but that is soon to change thanks to the dual-practice framework that should roll out soon. It lets approved physicians provide both publicly funded surgeries in the public system and privately paid elective surgeries in approved private settings (primarily accredited chartered surgical facilities initially, with potential later expansion to hospitals for underused ORs).
And most, if not all all costs can be claimed as medical expenses when filing income taxes.
Patients can, of course, still access free publicly funded care, they just have to wait and wait and wait…
I have a friend that went to the USA to get both knees replaced and paid for it out of pocket, or it would have been a 4 year wait. They said they do the surgery differently at the place he went to, they do not cut the musculature to perform the procedure, so the heal time is faster. He walked out of the hospital and can walk a mile or two a day to help with the rehab, (its been 2 months) said its the best money they ever spent!
I am a BC resident and forbidden to access private care in BC so 2 years ago traveled to Calgary to pay for hip replacement surgery – $33,000. Paid with my MCard, got the points and claimed it as a medical expense. Excellent care. So many things in Canada are not fit for purpose. I cannot understand why some Albertans are even considering staying within Canada.
I went over to Quebec, Gatineau is on the border with Ottawa, and C$850 for the MRI in 2 days from booking. Could go to Montreal or New York state for the knee replacement at $25K.
My physio is keeping me on my feet, cane on extended walking, and still golfing as long as the cart can get to the ball in the fairway and my putter is a flathead so a decent cane.
I’m toughing it out as I’ve always been able to tolerate pain. Oh, and I’m Scottish and can’t spend that kind of money.
Grumps
Thee only thing worst than a scottishman, is 2 scottishmen.
Just kidding, my step kids Gramma was Scottish and a super individual.
My son’s wedding is next August, there will be a whole bunch of Stevenson “Hunter pattern” kilts at that bash!
Diddle the step kids too GYM? Or just your own?
Diddle the step kids too GYM? Or just your own?
Now, I was just about to start a traditional folk dancing group called “Diddle the Step Kids”, until I saw your post and realized, hey there could be problems here. Thanks for the tip. We’ll find something more tasteful.
I hear ya on the Scottish frugalness!!!
Have you seen this place in Lithuania? – https://www.nordorthopaedics.com/en/
The wife’s friend accompanied her husband to have his hip replaced and she said it was an exemplary experience.
It may come out ahead of US surgical facilities to meet our genetic cheapness. I don’t know your location but from Alberta we can fly direct to Amsterdam and it’s just a puddle jumper hop over to Vilnius.
but but but but among the millions of illegals are there not a boatload of doctors? to take up the slack, make up for the HUGE waiting lists for all, that. free. health. care?
staph infections, ie carbuncle, boil, infected pimple can lead to fatal sepsis.
2 1/2 friggin YEARS to see a dermatologist l even racked up a bunch of photos.
she refused to look at them. 2 1/2 YEARS?????? from the initial referral?
‘only in Canaduh you say’. oh l wish someone would do a charlie kirk on him.
Since COVID I have maintained my private stock of Azithromycin from overseas or from Mexican tourist relatives. I had a neighbor die from an infected tooth extraction. I am never going to die of an infection waiting weeks for a medical appointment.
Because we relocated states in the summer a few year ago, my wife had to take a physical ed job instead the special education area she likes to work in.
By mid October she had aggravated a shoulder problem that originally happened when she was swimming in HS/college.
She-went to a doctor, got the referral to an orthopedist, fought insurance over getting an MRI, got an MRI, was forced by insurance to do 8 weeks of PT, did the PT, got approved for surgery, had surgery, and recovered from surgery by April of that same school year.
Still, we should throw out our system because we pay too much for health care (directly through premiums and not indirectly, thru a 50% tax rate) I am told by the leftists.
“Still, we should throw out our system because…”
…In America you can go get an MRI scan in an hour if you’re willing to pay for it. You are complaining about the insurance, not the service. Yes, the insurance is garbage. Try getting insurance to pay out in Canada sometime.
If you want to -buy- an MRI scan in Canada you must drive to America, or seek out a veterinarian. Same as N. Korea.
Also, 8 weeks of PT for a shoulder? The most Insurance will pay for is three or four visits. Get real, troll.
I got a doctor-referred MRI last year.
I got an appointment for one a week later, but I had to cross the Ottawa river and go to a Quebec clinic in Hull (fck Gatineau) because the Fwench have exceptions the rest of the provinces aren’t allowed.
I also had to pay $1,000.
But the HSE section of my insurance covered it, thankfully, after the fact – I didn’t know if it would but wanted to expedite my surgery.
And it did.
“…but I had to cross the Ottawa river and go to a Quebec clinic in Hull…”
…because in Quebec they allow fee-for-service billing. And you can get a -license- for an MRI, which is the actual choke point. The license, not the machine.
I looked into this one time, as a business idea. Turns out you can lease a complete MRI machine, waiting room and everything that fits into a shipping trailer. Pull up the truck, hook up to hospital power, start processing patients. This is how they do it in rural Minnesota, the truck has a route they do every couple of weeks. The truck, trailer and machine is only a million bucks or so, the same as a house. Hire some nurses and techs, you got yourself a business.
BUT NOT IN CANADA because they will not give you a license to provide the service. They could, but they won’t. (You can use it on horses though, so that’s a thing.) Multiply that times every single thing you need from medicines to machines to nurses and techs to doctors and surgeons. There’s not enough because the government decided there would not be enough.
And that is why 30 year old ladies in good health die from fractures here in Canada.
Yup!
Its pathetic.
And forever I’ve tried to explain the advantages of a public/private system to Canadians and they lose their shit telling me if I don’t like it I should go to the US.
So many Canadians are literally retarded.
Why not 100% private delivery (price-fixing corporations banned) with universal patient-controlled funding? Run it like having a dedicated account to buy food staples from independent grocers, farmers’ markets, corner stores. Eliminate millions of bureaucrat interceders and make the glossy-tower “insurance” businesses irrelevant.
I agree, but thats a bridge too far for most Canadians to even comprehend.
https://cloud.e.telushealthcarecentres.com/total-body-MRI
https://www.radiology.ca/services/magnetic-resonance-imaging-mri/
Etc..
Your reading comprehension is weak enough you didn’t get that my last paragraph was paraphrasing what leftists say and wasn’t my own opinion.
Also, despite your certainty that nobody gets as much as 8 weeks of PT you must have pulled that thought out of your ass. Besides my wife I know many other people who had the experience. You don’t appear to understand that PT isn’t an actual benefit people are striving to get. PT is a hurdle insurers put in front of people even when they know the medical issue won’t be solved by PT, knowing some won’t complete it and they will save on paying for the surgery (which along with the MRI are the big expenses in the whole saga).
“Your reading comprehension is weak”
Sure dude.
“you must have pulled that thought out of your…”
No, I’m a physical therapist. I practiced in the USA. Nobody gets 8 visits to PT. They get maybe 4. If you need 8 visits, you were in a car crash and can’t go to the bathroom unassisted.
“PT is a hurdle insurers put in front of people”
Like I said, you are complaining about the behavior of the insurance company, not the hospital. You need surgery? Don’t like the insurance company? Pay for it yourself, and sue the insurance company. That’s how people do it in America.
Whereas in Canada they just die.
Like the lady in the article. Dead. Because of Communist-style rationing, and not having the right Friends.
Okay? Learning, are we?
Wrong melatonin. Nothing will come of this other than a letter full of BS.
The second rate care seems to be cool.
I had issues with a broken wrist not being treated properly and when talking to people in the medical profession about it they seemed to have no issue with admitting the sloppy administration and mistakes and also seemed to accept that as normal and cool. ‘Oh yeah, I guess we should have done better. I wonder where Sally got those shoes?”
One of the times I had issues with it I stood in the waiting room of the F#$%& surgeon’s office calling his office while his two secretaries gossiped about something while the phone rang right in front of them. This was after an hour and a half waiting at emergency and a dozen calls trying to locate him to see if he was in his office or in the hospital. Left messages, no call backs.
A gong show, and everybody seemed quite happy with it.
Healthcare is a right in Canada, but you don’t have the right to spend your own money on it.
And aren’t those healthcare union benefit plans an example of the dreaded two tier healthcare?
“Verbal abuse will not be tolerated no matter how many of your family members die from our arrogantly half assed healthcare mistakes.”
I think that’s part of the problem. They have added more and more of their scolding little verbal abuse warnings instead of listening to feedback from the people they are killing.
Stan; that statement I can agree with 100%. It has already happened to me 5 times this year. I’m a day late or a day early or missed the time bye an 1hr. Talking to people about this & found out this happens very often with them. After a few times of phone calls, writing it down in daily journal, it was making me wonder about Alzheimer’s. Talking to my niece & her advice was to make them email the appointment times to me & to make sure they copy the medical stuff & put in a personal medical binder. A simple fix that I now use. Passing it around.
I’m sorry, but I don’t think the NHL should be playing over there any more. Time to pull out of Canada, entirely
For that comment I think your dad should have pulled out.
Ha!
C’mon man that’s Rob Ford Gold!
And you know,… it just might happen.
Yeah, I know you’re right but man that’s harsh.
2000 serfs die every month while on waiting lists in Canada. That’s apparently a small price to pay for the state-rationed monopoly of “free stuff” (health care in this case) that is a sacred covenant of the incurious grazers that vote for the free stuff competition that passes for democracy. The realization of end-stage democracy is almost complete with Carney perhaps being the last elected PM to dictator completing the transition from bankrupt welfare state”
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.” – Alexander Tytler, a Scottish economist and historian 1747 – 1813.
Every person who was involved with this poor woman’s lack of care should have both their ankles broken.
But of course in Cubanada universal health care is neither fair or equitable.
Anyone think a nurse, let alone a doctor or a surgeon, are going to wait for any type of procedure?
I know for a fact EMS people get ahead of the line as well.
Shit, I’d bet all hospital staff are treated before the slobs who come in from the cold.
“Anyone think a nurse, let alone a doctor or a surgeon, are going to wait for any type of procedure?”
It’s good to have Friends. Sometimes those Friends will save your life.
But you know, even when you have Friends, many times you will still wait. Because even Friends can’t move mountains.
It’s not the dreaded two tier healthcare when the workers bump their friends up to the front of the line and get them preferential healthcare treatment. /s
Because reasons and stuff…
‘It’s not the dreaded two tier healthcare…”
Three tier. Important people, then Friends, then Normies. There is no shortage when you’re important.
That’s how dumb Normies are. They keep voting for this.
Canadians always love their free health care until they get sick. Free health care for the world.
IT IS NOT FREE
Grams and I each pay C$600 a year in our taxes for the Ontario Health Care levy. Ontario has some of the highest income tax rates for our brackets, so does the Feds.
“Free” health care in Canada just means you pay up front whether you use it or not.
If memory serves me, I believe there was a case in Quebec a few years ago regarding the provision of healthcare that went to the Supreme Court which said something to the effect of “The promise of healthcare is not the same as the DELIVERY of healthcare”.
Canadians are programmed since birth to mistakenly believe our system is “the best in the world”….it is nowhere near. (Reminds me of that other howler…that we are “united by our two languages”….who makes this crap up?)
It is a disgrace and it is all because the feds won’t allow provinces to change the system even though healthcare is their jurisdiction.
Just another example of the feds OVER taxing citizens and then using that money to extort and bribe provinces into doing their bidding or they get no “federal” funding.
“I believe there was a case in Quebec”
Civil Law in Quebec is subject to the Napoleonic Code, not English Law like the rest of Canada.
Any case of Civil Law, Tort or Family Law rather than Canadian Criminal Code, is different when in Quebec.
I first learned how one can DIE from a broken bone by reading the ‘coming of age’ Novel A Separate Peace as a sophomore in HS. Up until then, I had literally never heard of anyone dying from a broken bone … including multiple friends who had broken bones.
What a tragic and unnecessary way to expire.
Had a buddy who broke his leg at Lake Louise years ago when he was skiing. I was going to take him to the hospital in Banff, but they told me that I should drive into Calgary because they were better at dealing with broken bones better than Banff. They gave him a shot of demerol to keep him comfortable on the ride back (in my beloved 1969 GTO….God, I loved that car, but I digress).
As I was driving into Calgary, about half way there, I watched him in my rear view mirror from time to time and he would doze off. By the time we got to the Foothills Hospital, we couldn’t wake him up. He was in a coma for about a week….he had a fat embolism that lodged in his brain and he damn near died. He did survive, but that was my experience with it.
My youngest son spiral fractured his tibia skiing at Squaw Valley … don’t call it Palisades! … when he was 8yo. Ski Patrol got him down the mountain. I wasn’t with him when he did it … but met him at the Clinic in the parking lot of Squaw … a full clinic with Doctors, x-rays and a Radiologist on staff. My kid had to sit and wait for the Dr. to treat some woman who got hit in the head by her ski. I complained and the Dr. said … don’t worry, your kid didn’t break his leg, because he’d be in a lot greater pain than he is showing. I said you don’t know my kid … he’s tough with a high threshold of pain.
He finally came back with the X-ray that looked horrific. I was worried he wasn’t ever gonna walk again. What surprised me was all they did was immobilize his leg and discharged him to go see our local orthopedic Doc. at home. I was expecting surgery, and ‘setting the fracture’ and who knows what. They essentially did nothing. Just slapped a cast on his leg as is. The Doc. said all those pieces will fuse back together good as new. He was 100% correct. And my kid went on to have a phenomenal soccer career. If any break could spread blood clots and whatnot … that break sure looked like the prime candidate … but alas … nobody ever suggested even worrying about it.
If I go down to Rochester, MN, to the Mayo Clinic, sometimes it’s hard to find an open parking place in their lots. Lots and lots of Canadian license plates there.
I’d like to know how much Canadians spend for health care every year outside of Canada…
One source source says 1.9 million a day.
In 2025 over 105,000 Canadians left to receive non-emergency treatments.