“If atheists truly want a power struggle for the right to be intolerant, Christians will eventually engage and win. Because we will die before we will give up our beliefs and you will not. We invented the Crusade and the Inquisition, two institutions so historically intimidating that atheists still shiver and tell each other scary stories about them centuries after the event.” – Vox Day
Via Chris Muir
Great comment from Alexander on Vox Popoli:
“Atheists and their fellow secular travelers, on the other hand, can’t go to a convention hall to talk about Buffy or Star Trek without a certified safe space.”
LOL!
Crusades and inquisition, two forms of cultural purging whose time has come again?
Look to Europe, see what happens when the cultural/political pendulum makes its return sweep. The pendulum met its maximun rearward amplitude in Greece and Denmark, – will its forward movement reach equilibrium or swing to the extreme again? My guess is things will become chaotic again and it is because we fail to learn the lessons of history – primarily that “freedom” is more precious thn gold and not “free” – It’s bought with blood, not talk and there is always some organized entity trying to take it from you – sometimes from within your own borders.
I keep saying that Muslims are going to get death-marched out of Europe if anything bad happens over there. Looks like I’m not the only one who thinks so. To be clear, I do not view this as a good thing.
And you just -know- some geniuses in Europe have plans for a nice Short Victorious War to boost poll numbers. Vladimir Putin obviously does, probably some dorks in Greece and Spain do as well.
That’s what WW1 was supposed to be, btw. Planned and conceived as a Short, Victorious War for Kaiser Wilhelm or for England, depending on who’s history you’re reading.
This time I hope Canada doesn’t pick a side. There is no good side in 2014. Britain is just as full of sh1t as France ever knew how to be. We should sit back here in Canuckistan and pray for an asteroid.
And if any of ’em come over here, we shouldn’t wait for the asteroid.
No, it was the state that conducted crusades, inquisitions and war. Religion was just the excuse.
Today the state is secular. Same violence, different excuses.
Good idea because conservatives haven’t yet declared war on enough people. How long is that list of people conservatives hate getting; women, gays, students, libertarians, the poor, minorities, pot smokers and now all of the non-religious (I’m sure I’m missing a few). Great strategy. Personally I’d think growing the party would be more rational but what does a female apatheist libertarian with lesbian and minority friends who supports gay marriage and decriminalizing pot know about the value of conservatives not alienating potential voters. 🙂
*Purely out of curiosity, I was looking for Kate’s file category for this. Thought it might be interesting.
Hahahahahahaha, now that wuz some funny sh!t rite there. Kristians of today would hardly recognize the church of 50 years ago, never mind the oppressive dolts that ran the witch hunting of 300 years ago. Some one needs to up their meds!!!!
The referenced sites, in my view, are false flags. They are anti-Christianity sites.
I am atheist, but I do not want a struggle. I do not have any beliefs that are not backed with facts, logic and reason.
I would rather deny any of my beliefs to any neanderthal who may threaten to kill me for those beliefs. To die shouting that you are right is just stupid.
It is infinitely smarter to do what it takes to stay alive so you can kill your oppressors on another day.
Meanwhile, back to the cake. I will bake my own cake and you can bake yours. I do not care that you believe in god. Why should I?
Most atheists I know feel pretty much the same. Who are these other atheists. Perhaps the reference was the entitled liberals…. They hate everybody.
“Perhaps the reference was the entitled liberals…. They hate everybody.”
Should have been leftards and Islamists.I’ll take an atheist or agnostic over either any time.
You can’t even get a minister to speak out against Islamic female genital mutilation & this guy is crying about an Inquisition than a topper the Crusades? Which was self defence against Muslim Incursions into Europe by war.
The Inquisition was worse on Christians except Spain. It mainly took the form of our HRC’s with small looting of the poor ( Pay ten bucks than 5 hail Mary’s as a punishment. It was State control when both church & secular parties ran the Nations of the day.) Truth there like our supreme court said, did not matter. While killing secular political families for lands, plus money for the King, by the government & Church.
I’m a conservative woman – so I guess you’re saying I hate myself!!!
I don’t hate homosexuals, on the contrary, I care about their salvation and health so I pray they discontinue their unhealthy lifestyle.
Students/libertarians???
The poor – conservative/Christians donate more to the poor than any other demographic group.
Minorities – I believe the problem there is conservatives want to conserve our Western civilization and Judeo/Christian heritage and resent minorities trying to foist their culture upon us. If they don’t like our culture they should not have come here. That’s not hatred, it’s self preservation.
Pot smokers – same as above for homosexuals.
Non-religious – pity would be more accurate than hate.
Absolutely right, LC. Hatred is such a fine and successful way to bring people to the truth. Vox is an utter and absolute idiot, particularly when it comes to demographics.
He’s also an idiot when it comes to history. The Crusades had nothing to do with spreading christianity, and the Inquisition had nothing to do with atheism. The first was driven by economics, and the second was about enforcing orthdoxy within the christian clergy.
“Thou hast conquered, Galilean” – Julian the Apostate – Read it and weep,losers!
You’ve got that right. There is no militant monolithic Church to do those deeds any more.
The post by Rob (just two down) is more the reality:
“Christians Concerned” – No Kidding
Christians Beheaded, Churches Desecrated, Homes Looted. Muslims Kill 80, at Least…
This is happening all over the world – Syria, Egypt, Nigeria, Iraq, Lebanon, North Korea… There is no backlash to speak of and there may never be much of one. At this point Christians have the cohesion of dry sand. They are too busy fighting among themselves about whether homosexuality is a sin, etc.
Besides, the Inquisition and the Crusades were not self defense and therefore contrary to Christian teaching about the use of violent force anyway.
Point seems to be, the progressives never stop pushing other people around.
The activist atheists are no different than the born agains. Each is preaching a point of view that reveals their personal insecurity.
If there is no God, so what?
I am not going to change my way of life for your God,Which God?, your nonGod or your delusions of the invisible hand of man.
But more importantly I do not insist you change your life, to suit my opinions.
The current Gay promotions are counter productive, I do not care what your sexual preference is, how is your work?
To insist I must respect anyone is a bridge too far, respect is earned not bequeathed.
To insist a person must be respected solely for their sexual preference is ludicrous.
The loonies are so insecure today that any criticism is deemed to be hate.
Sorry losers you just are not that important.
I lack the passion to hate, but am offended by idiots who mistake forbearance for acceptance.
Our culture was strong because of the christian ethics.
Regardless of the God quotient the rules allowed a civil society to exist. The current alternatives are pretty ugly. Secularism is leaning toward anti humanism, the moslems are as they ever have been, politicians are as they have ever been too, without ethics or limits.The mob is rising, in all its beauty.
The individual has no rights nor space when the mob swarms around.
Yes, the angry right is not an unfounded stereotype but, like all stereotypes, it is also not an accurate description of all conservatives either. This also describes my thoughts on angry atheists and socialists, BTW.
Comments about “stupid cnuts” when talking about women was the first thing I noticed but definitely not the only time I observed the ugly side of conservatives that is directed towards women, gays, students, the poor, etc. I soon realized that I aligned much closer with the more positive attitude of libertarianism – more tolerant, more facts, less emotional, consistently against Big Government and for individual freedom. Despite being raised without religion, I was curious until I saw that it was the Christians who were the angriest and most abusive people in conservative politics.
I doubt this vox guy is the type of person middle of the road conservatives would identify with but who knows. Conservatives in the US are splitting into camps that no longer have much common ground or respect for each other.
LC Bennett:
You describe yourself as: a “female apatheist libertarian with lesbian and minority friends who supports gay marriage and decriminalizing pot…”
And then you bemoan that:
“Conservatives in the US are splitting into camps that no longer have much common ground or respect for each other…”
I need to ask you how many of your descriptors does one need for you to have common ground or respect?
I belivee you meant to address river rat.
Yeah well, this vox guy is correct and mistaken simultaneously.
Much of the religious partisanship he refers to is currently and historicaly merely cultural and tribalism.
The Viking Age has been described as a coincidence of over population, marine technology and expertise, greed and a political vacuum.
I disagree, Charlemagne’s Holy Roman Empire was no vacuum….
In fact the Frankish conquest of Saxony and then brutal execution of some 4000+ non-Christian Saxons, (first blood)when evangelism was not immediately successful….so outraged the Scandinavians immediately adjacent, that the first victims were the Christian missionaries in the North then Christian Abbeys throughout Northern Europe…..the motive was murder and revenge…plunder was incidental…at first.
When, not if, the ethnic cleansing of Muslims from Europe will be motivated by revenge and xenophobia….not religious fervor.
The muslims will lose, for the same reason that allowed Europeans to conquer the world, not necessarily by technology but by the simple reality that Europeans are more efficient killers.
Tain’t right, tain’t wrong, just is…..
Most atheists in the west are Christian Atheists, their values are founded in Judeo/Christian ethics.
The best example is the “Golden Rule” of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
The Judeo/Christian view of morality applying to all, whether of one’s tribe or not was a major step forward for developing modern civilization. It has taken some time for it to live out it’s implications, but they have been profound.
That is in start contrast with Islam, for example, taqquiya, where a Muslim isn’t obligated to tell the truth to a non-Muslim. Or deception in the service of Islam being morally prescribed.
The Judeo/Christian value of a universal obligation to the truth is fundamental to both our legal system in criminal matters and matters of commerce. Neither could have developed to where they have without a number of our universally accepted values.
A working alliance between the secular Christians(Christian Atheists(e.i. Oriana Fallaci) and the practicing Christians is required for those shared values to resist the aggressive onslaught of political Islam.
Exactly Sasquatch starting with Charles Martel the Europeans and their cultural successors ( us) were the first and most efficient of annihilation warfare. And still are
Good post, Larry. Sharply observed.
As a libertarian and non-militant atheist I think about this a lot; wonder if I could have been a man of integrity without my Christian upbringing.
One term used for Islam’s anti-golden rule is dualistic ethics.
The number of descriptors was partly for humorous effect and partly to make a point. The point is that the angry conservative types fail to understand that people, voters, have relationships with women, gays, immigrants, minorities, etc. Calling people stupid cnuts, homo deviants and all the rest of the charming terms for groups they dislike is counterproductive to their desired political objectives. Tact, facts and humour are far better ways to make your point, if the point is actually a worthy one to make.
This here is some hilarious shit. I’d sure like to get Velociman’s take on this matter. It seems so dreadfully important to all of you.
The only point you make is your stupid cuntedness…
Wasn’t there a little bit of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans a few years ago? Having little experience of fundamentalist
Islam at that point, the West was upset and put a stop to it.
What will happen in a few years?
Vox Day is a heretic.
Look up his views on the Trinity.
Personally I don’t think the Christians are much of a threat to atheists. However the God Christians serve is another story. Can’t help but think of Peter’s confession of Christ and Jesus’ answer, “Upon this rock I will establish My Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”.
The fact is, atheists haven’t got a prayer.
(Rimshot!)
Hypocrisy at its best with LC dumb @$$ complaining about conservative bigotry while stereotyping everyone whose not hard left wing socialists. Of course you could ask gays who lived and died under the rule of socialist and communist dictators how well they were treated. Not going to their parade would be the least of their worries.
I keep saying that Muslims are going to get death-marched out of Europe if anything bad happens over there.
How bad does it have to get?
“Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway — Authorities Look the Other Way.” http://www.d-intl.com/2013/10/15/sweden-a-new-hell-for-women/?lang=en
Remember the Opera House in Moscow? Gassed everybody, including his own citizens to fumigate the building from radicals.
Putin will not put up with these satanic forces either, much less those of his Slavic rivals who encouraged Muslim extremists to attack Russia because the time was right.
Yes that’s the solution let’s gas everyone and let God sort them out. Retard.
Hate to break it to you but, a third of ruskie conscripts are mooselimb right now.
And it is mooselimbs that breed while the rest of ruskie abort and drink to death. Add to this fetal alcohol syndrome more widespread than anywhere else in the world and I bet on mooselimbs not the Siberian rejects from gene pool.
This is the Internet. Everybody absorbs all sorts of BS from all sorts of people. Surely you’ve developed thicker skin by now, in the years you’ve been involved in political discussions on the net. Please, let’s not pretend that a few harsh words directed your way personally are somehow indicative of widespread hatred on the Right. Did one see any effigies of Obama being burnt at Tea Party rallies? No, never. Did one see effigies of George W. Bush being burned at pro-Saddam (“anti-war”) rallies? Yes, multiple times. That’s the tip of the iceberg, and that’s truly indicative.
“(Rimshot!)”
Vainglory!:)
If you’re attempting to show your credentials as an opponent of violence, you shouldn’t be bragging about inventing the Crusade and the Inquisition.
Ayn Rand wrote that the fundamental rule of a civilized society is that no person has the right to initiate the use of force or fraud on anyone else. Individualists will defend any religious person’s right to establish a church and attend it regularly. It’s only the collectivist left that opposes these rights.
The crusades were a good thing, a justified counter-attack to Islamic aggression. The only problem was that we didn’t keep up the pressure. The “middle east” used to be Christian, remember?
I am an atheist. It was not a choice, I was born that way. My parents were very religious when I was young. I have older siblings who are religious. Now I have reached an age where it would be nice to become a grandfather. Of the people I know who are now grandparents, and admittedly this is a non scientific survey. the vast majority are strongly religious. I just don’t think that atheism, while I believe it to be correct, is evolutionarily adaptive, lesbianism even less so, and being gay is now a straight up opt out of the gene pool. In 200 years, American society is going to look very different as the future belongs to those who show up.
LC I beg to differ, it is Liberals who play identity politics and pit group against group.
As far as the conservatives are concerned it’s just one big tent and all are welcome regardless. The common goal is freedom from the tyranny of those who would steal from one to buy the other, a liberal for example.
“You can’t even get a minister to speak out against Islamic female genital mutilation & this guy is crying about an Inquisition…”
Precisely. At the very best, Christianity only has sheep in wolves’ clothing.
Tim – a very important point. If evolutionary theory is used to determine what is good for a society, then religion is very good. A large portion of a society choosing to not have kids (or deciding preferences that, by their nature, can never have kids) means that the society is doomed. If the number of kids and grandkids is an indicator, then religions will be around as long as we are.
Within that set, the two competing sides in the western world are Islam and Christianity. Both are basic worldviews that have been shaped by humans. A very simplistic take on the core beliefs is that one says that all who believe are equal, and that all can believe. The other says that there is a hierarchy of those who believe (men/women is the most obvious case), and that those who will not believe must be killed. These tenets can and do change over time (we’re dealing with humans, remember?), but that’s the current choice.
“One term used for Islam’s anti-golden rule is dualistic ethics.”
“Good and evil are not alike. Repel evil with what is good. Then you will find your erstwhile enemy like a close. affectionate friend.”
Al-Quran 41:34
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.ahmedali/41:34
North-of-60 said: “How bad does it have to get?”
Off hand, I’d say when most of Europe is in the same condition as Detroit, and there’s no heat, and there’s no food, then it will be bad enough. Some schmuck will come along and have the bright idea that purging the Untermenchen will sell really well to the rubes, and he will get to be Grand Poobah. Then the death marches will begin.
What your link shows is a local breakdown in policing and the inevitable results of teaching Pacifism in school as the state religion. Mooselimb bad actors are being allowed to rape women as part of a program of official appeasement, trying to make them behave by seeming benevolent. Naturally, this is a horrific failure.
When policing breaks down a little further the WHITE people will start taking things into their own hands. Paradoxically order will be restored. Mostly by making it far too dangerous for the Mooselimbs to venture out of their neighborhoods. Please note, this is not a good thing for society, its like a Cold War.
That’s still a local issue. What has to happen for death marches is that mass extinction of a whole social group becomes a political solution to a larger problem.
As said above, Northern Europeans are the most dangerous, most violent, and worst of all, most ORGANIZED people on Earth. Something will happen, and then the sh1t will be in the fan.
My reading of events, its going to happen pretty soon. Stage is set for some widespread Detroit-ing of Euro cities, the rest will be a sleigh ride down the slippery slope.
“Within that set, the two competing sides in the western world are Islam and Christianity. Both are basic worldviews that have been shaped by humans”.
I beg to differ. The Catholic Church was established on the first Pentacost by God through the Holy Spirit. All other faiths were established by humans mostly men. The basic teachings of the Catholic Church have never changed much to the chagrin of much of mankind (as opposed to humankind).
If your parents are both religious you could not have been born that way. You bear their religious genes. 🙂
My mom came from a family of 10 children. My parents had 6 children and dummies that we were, we only had 3 children. Now that I’m older and wiser I keep encouraging my children to have more children. So far I have 7 grandchildren.
Thank you for your comments River. Some gentle guidance forward on the evolution of civilization. Cheers;
Some vague signs are already manifesting….Helgar Dansk in Denmark for example….
The Islamics at their peril have overlooked that, the long past, Vikingr age left a lotta cultural and genetic residue throughout Europe (and N AMerica).
One matter which I haven’t solved is not, why Jews peacefully allowed the Holocaust, but rather how Europe allowed nearly a millennium of Islamic aggression from N Africa without a signifigant reaction. Barberry Pirate raids depopulated the coastlines of the Med and much of N Europe……….. aiding as far as Ireland, the Farrows, and Iceland
It fell to the 19th century US Navy to, for the most part, quell this scourge….indeed the USN was largely created more to deal with this than to fight the Royal Navy.
The Royal Navy of Nelson’s time was more than up to the task.
No, it doesn’t really bother me that much. I realize that it’s just insecure bozos on the Internet. Besides, in real life I’ve worked with and been around men who, when angry, would have people like max peeing down his pant leg. Oddly though they were much bettered mannered—rudeness being linked to anonymity on the Internet, I suppose. So, no, abusive and foul mouthed Internet morons aren’t the reason I’ve pretty much given up commenting, except for on a few science threads. It’s more a “who needs this?” or “why bother? thing.
I was an atheist,until 28 the world just didn’t make sense to me coming from a secular view point. There in my eyes was to much evidence of some kind of massive creation some how. The big bang doesn’t work for me. I herd about Jesus, and Buddha. Buddha was a regular guy just really nice and really smart for his time. Any way.
I can only speak for myself. I had a lot of things wrong with me and my life i made alot of horrible decisions,as soon as i asked Christ into my heart my life changed 180 i can’t speak to specifics but i was having a hard time feeding myself and paying rent and child support, ect ect.
All of a sudden i somehow just never went hungry anymore i dunno how. I believe in Christ the savior. i also admit there are extreme Christians. But the overwhelming majority of Christians are working for a better more tolerant world for all people. I hear Christians praying for Muslim captures of there friends and family to be merciful to them.
Anyway i have one child out of marriage and my wife is pregnant with our 1 of hopefully 5 more kids we would like so that brings out total to 6 god fearing ,Jesus loving christian kids who may or may not believe when they get older. All god has asked me to do is to let them come to him unhindered, and i do that to the best of my ability.
It’s unfortunate that name-calling is used as a substitute for intelligent analysis.
What Putin did was a historical fact and that’s how he deals with those sub-human extremists. Did not invade any other countries to do that, since it was a solution to an internal problem.
It’s pretty easy to be smug when an ocean separates somebody from the realities going on in Russia.
While Putin has to deal with these scum, Obama bows down to them.
Seems to me it’s the US, EU and NATO who are the world’s evil expansionist forces … perhaps you’ve heard of Kosovo?
Somewhere in hell Lenin is smiling, knowing his 1922 creation of the Ukrainian SSR is being heralded as a country capable of independence.
Ditto Khruschev, whose 1954 declaration gave Crimea to the then Soviet Ukraine.
Ukraine, once acknowledged as the bread basket of Europe, has had its agricultural component hollowed out by the commies, according to the people who recently arrived from there.
Wallow in ignorance if you must, but please don’t name call.