65 Replies to “Tommy Douglas: Not Dead Enough”

  1. No, it’s pretty clear that the unhealthy effects of obesity killed her.
    Canada has an excellent health care system, if you take care of your health the system will serve you well.
    Canada’s sick care system is good enough. If you abuse your health, don’t expect someone else to ‘make it all good again’ when your abusive lifestyle choices start to kill you.

  2. north_of_60
    Why do you suspect obesity killed her when the cause of death was from an infection contacted in hospital? Was she obese? Duh! But what do you know that no-one else does?

  3. if you take care of your health the system will serve you well
    So it’s a matter of choice?

  5. Your saying Canadian doctors/Hospitals aren’t spreading HPV during routine medical examinations? BeNewsToMe

  6. Your saying…
    Don’t try to twist my statement to fit your personal agenda.
    State your own views clearly and don’t try to interpret what others post.

  7. if you take care of your health the system will serve you well
    So it’s a matter of choice?
    Of course it is. If you don’t take care of your health you have nobody else to blame.

  9. Having worked in Nova Scotia it wasn’t really news whenever the hospital in CB was locked down due to health issues. you would figure the workers at the fish plant were doing surgery on the side there. Surprisingly, in the CBC poll on hospitals it got a B grade. I know of an entire building at QEII Hospital in Halifax that cannot use the water because of Legionnaire’s Disease. Sponge baths with bottled water. the wards also had extension cords running all over the place in the halls in order to move air in the summer.Same old building they put new windows, insulation and siding on a few years ago.
    Yeah, dear Rita might not have been there if she had watched her diet but probably would have caught something while visiting anyhow.

  10. People who are obese usually have compromised immune systems and are more likely to get infections.
    YOU are responsible for your health, not the government.
    Health care is a provincial responsibility, some provinces do better than others.

  11. Not to fear, in a joint Health Canada, Provincial action, the provinces will hire more administrators.
    SARC.
    Hospitals are a great place to go to die, if you do not enter them your health outcome is “statistically” better. And stats are oh so meaningful.
    Taking care of your health? Mine is great as long as I can avoid my doctor.
    Who I only see when sick. Chicken, egg?
    Have a friend who contract cleaned at Stanton Hospital in Yellowknife, government saving money on basics, but never a shortage of money for admin.
    20 years ago the hospital had edible food, clean rooms and a smoking lounge.
    Today Food from contractor friend of MLA, Quick swipe=clean, no smoking on hospital property.
    Its quite the sight seeing ill, elderly people dragging their Ivy stands thro snow at -20C in search of a “legal” smoking area.
    The first item lost in any bureaucratic administration, is the humanity of the administrators.

  12. If you don’t take care of your health you have nobody else to blame.
    north_of_60: You’re talking like you’re north-of-90.

  14. I lived with a nurse for a while and I remember she had major concerns about post-op secondary infections. One of them was the lack of clothing changes for the nurses and doctors who should theoretically change their outer wear after every patient. A possible contaminant pathway is this, nurse touches patient with or without gloves then adjusts clothing or her glasses or writes something down with her pen. Even if the hands are washed there are still germs on her clothing, her glasses or pen for hours afterwards that can be transferred back to her hands after they are washed and subsequently transferred to the next patient. Clothing changes take time, thus requiring more nurses which means a bigger payroll and laundering smocks and pants or buying disposable garments cost money.
    Frequently touched items such as light switches, doors etc should be sanitized every day at minimum but aren’t due to cleaning budgets being slashed first when there is a budget crunch. When I was in hospital last year, the patients shower was sanitized after every use, no exceptions.
    Staying healthy and staying out of the hospital is your best bet. You’re just a number to the bean counters who run things and only care about meeting a budget.

  15. Hey north of 60 one day you’ll get it. You’ll probably get cancer but they’ll catch it too late which is pretty common since the radiologists are so over worked. Good luck I’ve seen it in 3 people I know. All non-smokers all died.

  16. I take care of my health.
    Personal responsibility is a concept that many who post here obviously fail to grasp. They usually expect someone else to fix their mistakes.
    They’ll die off early; no big loss.
    Those who personally address someone on a public forum are merely grandstanding to get attention, and will be ignored.

  17. Those who personally address someone on a public forum are merely grandstanding to get attention, and will be ignored.
    north_of_60: It’s not you that is being personally addressed; it’s your stupid comments, which is exactly the purpose of a public forum.

  18. I agree. My neighbor is a health nut. Never smoked, drank and excercised daily. Last fall she became ill. Doctors failed to find a cause. She continued to feel poorly and finally got fed up and went to a Henry Ford clinic in Michigan. Within 30 minutes they had diagnosed her with stage 3 lung cancer.
    So those that tout the Canadian healthcare system or claim that keeping oneself in good health sufficient, I invite you to talk with her.

  19. That is precisely what I’m talking about. A young woman I knew just passed away a few months ago from breast cancer. She was too young to get cancer you see so the doctors all said a scan would be unnecessary. When they finally found the cancer it was too late. She was a marathon runner north of 60. So there you go. Enjoy your free deathcare so bums can get it for free.

  20. blah, blah, blah…..
    For every story of someone who supposedly didn’t receive adequate care, there are thousands of examples of people who have benefited from our health care system.
    She was a marathon runner north of 60.
    Just because someone is a marathon runner in the Territories does not make them immune to cancer.

  21. north_of_60, my tongue is firmly in my cheek when I ask if you really think that designing the medical system with the ubermench in mind is a good idea?
    Most Canadians have a health care system horror story. I’ve got a couple, but won’t go into them. There’s no point. A system that kills otherwise healthy people by neglect or infection is in no one’s best interest. Debating whether they are “healthy enough” for treatment is barbaric.

  22. I was in the hospital last September. Went in strong and healthy for surgery.
    Got infected IN the hospital and nearly fukkin died in coma.
    Hospitals are cesspools.
    Period.

  24. Here is a link to Tommy I Love National Socialist’s Party Douglas, and his thesis on why we need sterilization of useless eaters and breeders of inferior quality to himself and others of his ilk, courtesy of our own Kate. http://www.katewerk.com/tommy/ He gave it up quietly like the slicked back shit house rat he was, when his idol Adolph began implementing in Germany what Tommy believed in his heart. He knew he was dead meat for his program because the Canadian Hero’s were just returning from a huge sacrifice of blood in the death camp horrors of Tommy’s hero Adolph. And to those who say oh well everyone was doing that, yah maybe but only Tommy believed it enough to actually write his thesis on the necessity of sterilizing those less worthy than his own priceless, useless, parasitic ass that worked like dogs and paid taxes to support his worthless gutless socialist ass.

  25. I ask if you really think that designing the medical system with the ubermench in mind is a good idea?
    you said that, not me. Don’t try to ‘put words in my mouth’.
    State your own views clearly and don’t try to interpret what others post.

  26. If you don’t take care of your health you have nobody else to blame.
     ~ north of 60
    Just because someone is a marathon runner in the Territories does not make them immune to cancer. ~ north of 60
    OK reconcile your own words.

  27. I agree that people have a responsibility to care for their own health. Many health issues are related to life style. However, many are not. I would never, ever “blame the victim”. There are too many cases of an absolute inability to pinpoint what the sick person “did wrong”, to cause their own illness.
    And there are far too many lifestyle choices that seem to still be up for debate by the medical system – it is universally agreed that smoking is not good for anyone, but I still pity the people caught in that terrible vice/addiction. Other than that, eggs good/eggs bad, a few (or a lot) of extra pounds bad, or not so bad, butter bad, margarine good, or vice versa, exercise good, but what kind, and how much. Drinking – bad, or good in moderation. Coffee – bad, or good in moderation. How does anyone pick a particular point in the state of knowledge of the medical world, and decide – “there, now I know what I need to do to stay healthy, and if I follow these rules I will never get sick”. If you decided in the early nineties to follow a low-fat/no-fat diet, then I probably am not talking to you – you may be gone already! Impossible – and yes north of 60, I feel a little sorry for anyone who might know you, and be subjected to your very judgemental attitude.
    And obesity….where to even start. People who have no issues may think it is simply a matter of willpower. Anyone who has issues, whether they are small, or Rita McNeil sized, has a fair idea it is more than that – I expect science still has more to tell us about what is going on.
    Our health care system is in a very sad state. Only the ability to compare ourselves to the system south of the border would make anyone proud of our health care system. There are so many countries that are doing it better. Should just be a no-brainer to do some comparing, and try to fix what we are doing wrong.

  28. Knight, check out people that live near border cities. I do and I can tell you there’s a hell of a lot more going to the US for treatment than is reported by the Fraser Institute. Fraser probably gets their stats
    from those who file claims with their Provincial Healthcare payer and excludes those that just pay cash and don’t file claims.
    Five miles from here in the US there is a hospital that is very popular with seniors. They have a separate ER for seniors and guarantee they will be seen by a doctor within 20 minutes. These days a lot of seniors can afford to go there and they take advantage of it whenever possible.

  29. If you don’t take care of your health you have nobody else to blame.
    ~ north of 60
    Just because someone is a marathon runner in the Territories does not make them immune to cancer. ~ north of 60
    Yup, still both true. Those who can’t grasp that, have their own problems to deal with.
    Being a marathon runner does not stop someone from consuming chemically laced food, air and water.
    If somebody thinks I’m judgmental, then tough s h i t.
    It’s a forum, not a popularity contest.
    It’s amusing how some use the forum for personal attacks instead of discussing the subject at hand. They wouldn’t ever try it in person because they’d get the snot beat out of them, so they hide behind a keyboard like sniveling cowards. No doubt they will continue to identify themselves in the comments to follow.

  30. because they’d get the snot beat out of them
    You’re on the wrong thread; the bully bully thread is next door.

  31. It’s ok north of 60 most people don’t find out how crappy the “system” is until they die. Good luck.

  32. BS. The cdn system is in slow motion collapse.
    Many new cancer drugs are unavailable here. Drugs like rhemicaid are not approved for colitis because they are too expensive – it been registered in the US for over a decade.
    Positron Emission Tomography scanners – a front line cancer technology in the US for a decade are still virtually unobtainable here.
    There is no defending the East German system that we have and the sooner the CHA is revised to simply enshrine universality and portability AND NOTHING ELSE, the sooner we can initiate the real reforms needed – not the top down pap that Jeffrey Simpson is prescribing.

  33. Cancer is caused by environmental toxins that people consume. There is no ‘cure’ other than not consuming them. So called ‘cancer drugs’ merely put off death for a while, at great expense, which should be borne by the relatives not the taxpayer.
    Terminally ill people should be given only morphine at taxpayer expense and anything else at their relative’s [or insurance company’s] expense.

  34. Look…I know that there is a lot of discussion about our health care system and a lot of controversy over how well canadians are being served…and yes, there is a role for increasing efficiency and perhaps that’s through increased privatization…but we spend less per capita on health care and out health care outcomes are better than those in the states. So, it’s not all bad.

  35. 60
    U are a barrel of laffs, and I posted in another thread that U’v proven just how stooped U are, and here U are at it agin
    I have probably 30 stories of a failed/failing health care system, and part of the problem is stoopid uninformed jacka$$es such as U, cuz U, and those like U, and yer opinion impede change
    and git the snot beat outa me, maybe U should wonder why I got a busted jaw new years eve, the other fool (and yes I was a fool)got beat up pretty good, even tho he was bigger and a hell of a lot younger

  36. N of 60 is out trolling again. Now he is a frikkin’ oncologist. Cancer is a general term that refers to mutation of cells. There are literally hundreds of types of cancer and many can be eradicated with treatment and early detection while some can’t. I’ve worked in the field for over 17 years and have seen both sides of the coin. My brother is right now battling for his life and doesn’t want to get 60’s morphine shot and go quietly. And yeah, he is also a taxpayer.

  37. ROTFL
    silly little people using a public forum for personal attacks and insults.
    credibility = zero
    Personal attacks are the last refuge of the intellectually challenged.
    amusing entertainment, none the less.
    No doubt they’ll keep proving my point, they always do.

  38. Rita Mac Neil died from complications of ‘Eat-A-Big-Meal’. It ain’t rocket surgery.

  39. So you have solved the mystery of cancer, congratulations.
    Except I had a sister who was an extraordinarily health conscious, clean living person, toxin free in a rural region.
    Dead of misdiagnosed breast cancer at 49.
    What might the environmental toxin be? Two other sisters same environment no cancer, no restrictions on their consumption of chemical laced foods, booze or tobacco.
    Is questioning your divine wisdom a personal attack?
    Next you will be telling me that life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease, so hospitals are unnecessary .
    Or is it that we are all going to die, so its gods will?
    When I am taxed to the point of rebellion, for imaginary services, such as a healthcare system, I expect a minimum of competence.
    There is little evidence of competence within the GNWT department of health.

  40. I have applied more than 200 times for job openings at the hospitals near me. Jobs that I know there is nobody with my experience or education for a 100 miles around. Unfortunately experience and education are not the prime drivers when they hire at the hospitals. 3 blocks from my house they have hired 3 dishwashers in 3 years at the rate of $25 an hour. I’ll do that. I was a chef for 20 years and have a degree in business management. Plus I studied at the Culinary Institute of America which is considered pretty damn good. I now work as a Network Technician and have a good handfull of certifications some of which are very hard to get.
    I’m sorry I’m venting here. but why should I make crap money and probably end up homeless when the stupid/lazy people cash in?

  42. Some people are genetically more sensitive to cancer causing chemicals, intelligent people understand this, however fools will always find some excuse for blaming it on the health care system.

  43. If you really do live in the north, N60, you probably have a distorted view of what the health care system does, or doesn’t do, for the majority of people in larger centres.

  44. All of the “outcomes” in those “studies” are based on ridiculous criteria. If you look at long term cancer survival rates as just one example the US beats Canada by far.

  45. Gees such compassion n of 60, so kids who get cancer should just be left to die? So your solution is to dope them up to their sad ends and wave bye-bye?
    Your body maybe fit, (mind you anyone can claim anything on the internet) but your mind is very sick.
    My good friend died of breast cancer in her mid 40’s because her physician refused to believe she could have breast cancer. By the time she was properly diagnosed it was too late. She lived her whole life a small town in northern Ontario, never smoked and was always active, always on the go, camping and activities with her kids outside, busy and happy. Only thing she did wrong was to put her trust in her health providers.
    If you’re not sick or never faced a major health issue you have no merit to speak to this issue. You’ve never had to use it as if your life depends on it.
    Lots of people from this same area are dead early and needlessly due to medical incompetency. Why anyone north of Bracebridge were given travel allowances to travel to TO to see specialists.
    Since you’re so perfect and never been sick or with disease or a serious medical condition you know nothing of being sick and being dependent of a no choice broken heath care system.

  46. Sorry folks. I agree with N of 60. It is a personal responsibility – your health. But, even if you do everything right you may get cancer and die. Sometimes doctors can’t change that. They aren’t miracle workers – they’re humans who sometimes may read an image wrong or think something isn’t or something else is occurring.
    Genetics is the defining role in all death of “natural causes”. For example. Jim Fixx – the “father” of jogging died of a heart attack while jogging!
    Rita was not a paragon of health. She was overweight her entire adult life. I’m sure she knew the consequences of her obesity. As a Cape Bretoner she probably also knew that some day she would die and opted to live her life the way she wanted to live it. If you undergo surgery you may die. Every surgeon will tell you that – unless he/she is incompetent.
    Perhaps Rita’s death could have been prevented, but having surgery, being obese and elderly are three very critical components that don’t bode well for anyone at a hospital. Once again it’s lets try to blame the “system”.
    Kind of odd that many of you on this site who always espouse self-reliance are on the other side of the equation in this instance.
    I’m not absolving the hospital, but they aren’t miracle centers and the people who work in the front lines at them aren’t miracle workers. I think too many Canadians seem to equate this with our “universal” system which is far from the “perfect” system so many of us seem to profess it to be.
    Cue rant….
    By the way I drink alcohol – sometimes in large amounts – smoke cigars once in a while, eat red meat and basically ingest what ever the hell food I want. I certainly won’t be blaming anyone if I get cancer or die from any cause and I would not want my family to whine about my treatment in hospital because I am having the time of my life. By the way if (perish the thought) I am stuck in a hospital terminally ill I will do my best to have as many cigarettes on hospital grounds – but not near anyone to cause upset – I can, just to show the Neo-Nazi’s that I’ll decide what goes into my body – not them.
    Rant over.
    Rita lived a great life, left a great legacy. She was a Canadian icon.

  47. A)”Those who personally address someone on a public forum are merely grandstanding to get attention, and will be ignored.”
    B)”It’s amusing how some use the forum for personal attacks instead of discussing the subject at hand.”
    Adressing “B” first,this forum WAS about getting sick IN the care of a hospital,not keeping healthy,until it was hijacked by the one in “A”. Follow his good advice,guys/gals. Ignore him.

  48. The G&M story has been retracted.
    André Picard: Rita MacNeil’s death should make us angry
    Dying from a hospital-acquired infection is all too common in this country – and preventable …
    We didn’t kill Rita MacNeil, says health authority ….
    André Picard: Concerns over treatment of infections
    Hospital-acquired infections are a scourge, one that garners far too little attention ….. Why does the fact that there are 8,000 to 12,000 deaths annually due to hospital-acquired infections not fill us with rage?
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/andr-picard-concerns-over-treatment-of-infections/article11561551/

  50. North_of_60’s original comment is common sense – all the pile on drivel is drivel. Not sure what has driven so many people to foam at the mouth.
    The woman was morbidly obese – does one really have to explain the negative health issues?
    All things considered we do have a pretty good health care system. I can attest to that personally with a major battle against cancer just recently won via a ‘system’ that from start to finish saved me.

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