54 Replies to “Hashtag Of The Entitlement Party”

  2. That’s funny. I wonder if his problem is spelling or counting,or a liitle bit of both.OTOH,he was a liberal/ndp star.

  3. DSosanjh is bitter because he only got five years in Parliament and didn’t qualify for the pension.

  5. As if ther was any connection between, pay, perks and quality.
    You want dedication – find a volunteer.

  6. Harrumph…
    They’re really not supposed to be “employees” in the regular sense; that’s one of our problems with government in this country.
    We’d likely get a far better crop of MP’s if they were all paid $1.00 a year!

  9. Its a wonder before all these Golden pensions with its even more tax free wages we had any good politicians before the recent system.
    To me hanging meat before dogs is more likely to attract free booters than paragons. Carpet baggers looking to live off the populace for life, than competent men of ethics, for philanthropy.
    By featherbedding a Political position that has its own rewards, one can only see a bevy of dead beats out to pick pockets rather than build up a Nation.

  10. Why are there career politicians then? Guys like Mark Holland who never did anything else…
    This kind of thing just encourages them.

  11. I’m sick of hearing about how we have to pay politicians well to attract “good” people. For some of them, it’s the best money they’ve ever seen in their entire lives.

  12. Exactly what Kate just said. Remember “Vegas”, the NDP barmaid who got elected in May, despite never even being in the riding and speaking little French?
    Yup, big pensions and pay gets yah big talent doesn’t it.

  14. and another thing. Careful, Ujjal, your elitism is showing. People who make less money than you and have less retirement $$ than you are “gud for nothing??”
    typical liberal progressive elite shi*head.

  15. Kate >
    “For some of them, it’s the best money they’ve ever seen in their entire lives.”
    No kidding. On the flip side it also attracts the scum without the corporate checks and balances like productiveness.

  16. The arrogance and ignorance of lefties on display. My goodness . I am tring to think of a topper for that to put this party even further in the rear view of Canadians ……nope I got nothin.

  18. Actually, I can’t believe he said that. That line is so stale and such an insult to everyone with a lesser income. Are there not many people who are well educated, experienced and committed to their communities or workplaces who make lots less than than they hypocrite Ujjal? That “best MP” line is such a crock.

  19. As yes, the loser Ujjal Dosanjh – what an utterly useless politician he was. One of many who could pretend they were worth something when the Liberals were in power.
    Kate said: “I’m sick of hearing about how we have to pay politicians well to attract “good” people. For some of them, it’s the best money they’ve ever seen in their entire lives.”
    Exactly right Kate, and it’s not just the pay but the perks as well. The racking up of huge quantities of frequent flier miles on Air Canada on the taxpayers dime. The office staff. The allowances. The endless eating out at (good) restaurants on expense accounts. And so on it goes. It’s a pretty darn good life.

  20. If paying high salaries and benefits = highly qualified MP’s, how come we don’t have any?

  22. Ujjal Dosanjh has a pension as a BC MLA(Liberal) and a pension as a Liberal MP, both positions where he did nothing good.
    Dosanjh expert on both public political pensions and good-for-nothings by long direct career experience.

  26. Well, we are doing our best out here on the good for nothing thing Ujjal.
    After all, we got rid of your sorry butt in the last election didn’t we?

  27. Dislike his politics all you want but Ujjal is no scum bag. He was pretty courageous in his stand against Sikh terrorism. As for the pensions I say start cutting them and let’s see if we suddenly have problems recruiting candidates. I highly doubt that would be the case.

  28. There are two solutions for this. Get politicians who are successful enough in their personal lives that they don’t need the money. I believe its only in the twentieth century that politicians got paid at all. The other solution in to get people who do not intend to make a career out of politics. Pay them well, but no pension. You serve one or two terms then move on to a real job.
    We have created a system where we have a professional political class who will do and say anything to get re-elected because if they don’t they will be unemployed and unemployable. This is part of the reason for our bad government.

  29. “He was pretty courageous in his stand against Sikh terrorism”. Ha! Let’s not exaggerate. Besides, that doesn’t even come close to making up for his endless whining and his typical Liberal arrogance.

  30. Yes, if Ujjall Dosanjh is who we attract with these lavish pensions, I think we should try a different bait.

  32. “We have created a system where we have a professional political class who will do and say anything to get re-elected because if they don’t they will be unemployed and unemployable”
    Minuteman, you have hit the nail squarely on the head.

  33. So Ujjal just admitted that politicians, and himself in particular, are only in it for the money. They are not in it to SERVE……. as in it is an honor to serve.
    Maybe if they all weren’t so self centered egotists, maybe they could see to doing what is best for the country.
    Besides if they are so incompetent that can’t feather their beds while in power, how good of politician could they be.

  36. Ujjal Dosanjh spent seven years as an MP,ten years as an MLA including one year as Premier.
    I’d hazard a guess that pension-wise,Ujjal is doing quite nicely.
    I agree wholeheartedly with Kate,it’s the best job and wage some,maybe most of these guys will ever have.

  39. Funny, all this dissing of MPs and their pensions. I remember Presto Manning and the Reformers taking a stand against pensions…then caving in and accepting them. As for career politicians, what the hell did Dear Fat Leader Stevie do before he became a politician?

  40. ‘Well, we had him for a while, did we not? So there goes his theory.’
    Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at February 1, 2012 8:08 PM
    You said it in a nutshell, Ken (Kulak)
    Mr. Schmit in Kelowna and Lee Morrison (Cypress Hills) never accepted the pension. Did you have any non takers in your troika ‘masses-loving’ party(s) Iberia?

  41. “One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you
    end up being governed by your inferior.” – Plato

  42. Isn’t it funny how, for the left, the big-salary-and-pension-to-attract-the-best argument should apply to politicians but not businessmen?
    The usual hypocrisy.

  43. The only party that ran on not accepting MP pensions were the Reformers. Only two were not hypocrites. Harper was not one of the two.
    In any case, I will be shocked if any MP pension cuts apply to current members…because they’re in power now and entitled to their entitlements.

  44. The most galling thing about MP’s pensions is that seditious separatist bloc heads will be at the public trough of the country they are trying to break up. One would have thought someone with true beliefs in their mission would be turning down the pension but pond-sucking scum really don’t have any principles.

  45. There should be no special pensions for MPs. They should be expected to provide for their own retirement out of their income, in addition to whatever they put away into the CPP. This will force them to make more realistic choices about pension reform because they will essentially be in the same boat as most of the middle class out there in the electorate.
    The idea that MPs should live a lifestyle like top executives and other wealthy folk is undemocratic and an invitation to corruption. While I find the Harper government generally better than the previous Liberal governments in regard to excess and patronage issues, one might mention the name Tony C as an example of the kind of attitude we don’t really want to encourage in a truly libertarian conservative party. And that’s probably the kind of attitude that is most supportive of very fat pensions too, the concept of “let’s feather our nests and those of our close friends first, then get the suckas to vote for us somehow” which has always been there in the make-up of most North American politicians of all stripes.
    The only way to weed it out is to make politics a bit less rewarding than private business, so that people primarily motivated by greed can go there instead. Anyway, we have far too many lawyers in politics in Canada, and far too few ordinary Joes with a bit of imagination and understanding, we need to get a better mix of people in the House of Commons and maybe just get rid of the Senate altogether. Notice I’m not saying a mix of better people, but a better mix — internet bloggers for example, would make great MPs because we have already learned to work for almost nothing.
    And as Ujjal Dosanjh points out, we are bottom feeders (I forget his snarky term) so we’ve been looking at things from the other end than high flyers, perhaps with that new perspective, we can lose such boondoggles as climate change, gay marriage and multiculturalism.
    Anyway, the average MP earns well over a hundred grand a year, surely with our tax laws encouraging savings and RRSPs, they can retire reasonably comfortably after 10-15 years of service especially if they start into it after getting some real world work experience.
    It would be a good rule to say that no MP should have a bigger pension than anyone ever named in a CHRC or R.W. lawsuit, because that’s a measure of what people actually fighting for freedom in Canada have to retire on. I will have maybe $700 a month. Maybe some fat cat pretend conservative can split his fat pension with me after never saying boo to a goose for twenty years.

  47. I am going to disagree with most of the crowd here. I am in favour of the intent of Dosanjh’s tweet, if perhaps not the phrasing or spelling.
    I work as an engineer and project manager. I would never consider a career in politics since it would be a dramatic cut in income with a corresponding massive increase in hassle. In order to attract talent you must pay. A friend of mine recently went on the market and he had four company’s competing for his services before it was over. He selected the best choice for his family.
    MPs should be paid more, and their future should not be held hostage by a cabinet or party. In this way their income is held hostage by the electorate in their riding and they can be free to represent their electorate.
    We select our MPs to audit the government and hold it accountable as our trustees. People find the thought of being an MP so distasteful that the career is open to absentee bar-waitresses.
    Pay them a wage competitive with the private sector boards of directors and we would see more reasonable people up there.
    Otherwise, we get what we have now: altruistically motivated wealthy people or accidental lottery winners with no experience whatever.
    What I want is sober and stable calm reasonable people who are well paid to ensure our Government doesn’t chuck money around and that petty burecrats cannot attempt to reshape the country using other people’s money.

  48. I agree with William Hughes, though I find it hard to agree with, in substance, that tweet.
    When you pay chicken feed, you get chickens. No, an MP’s salary is not chicken feed, but there are many many very talented people in Calgary who, despite being volunteers, would never run for office because it would mean a drop in pay, with a corresponding negative impact on lifestyle. That, IMO, is a problem.
    So, in the alternative to these talented individuals that could provide a great deal to you and I, as our representatives, you get people for whom being an MP or an MLA is the highest job that they will ever attain.
    Anyhow, for all those who think that politicians should get paid nothing, just think who you will end up with…yahoos like Pat Martin.
    But if one is a successful leader in business or otherwise, its all well and good to suggest that ones “public duty” should cause one to want to be an MP, but lets get real. The lifestyle of an MP sucks, and if the pay is only mediocre, then one may well decide that he rather likes his cabin and family holidays, and doesnt need to give that up just to have NDP MPs and the CBC deride him as a liar on a daily basis.
    My thoughts.

  49. @ William Hughs and warm in yyc, I do not think anyone is complaining about the MP remuneration as such, but rather the lucrative pension plans that are much better than the vast majority of private pension plans. It is public money after all and just like justice, it should not only be fair and reasonable, but appear to fair and reasonable.

  50. I hate to over pay folks who seek to further enslave us and steal what pittance we still clutch on to….

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