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Repeating certain key words, like “cut”, followed by “Prime Minister Stephen Harper” and the inattentive will begin to think that the PM is advocating a cut. Since it is a common theme in the MSM, as well as the school system, that Conservatives are “cutters” who care more about money than people, it’s a repetitive messaging that dovetails with preconceived notions…
Cut, cut, cut! Doesn’t anybody chop anymore?
if harper is so hell bent on saving money, why does he bring in arcane laws to increase prison populations to the point they become even more a school for criminals?
~some illiterate who can’t find the shift key
Do you really think the purpose of legislation is to increase the prison population?
OK, lets stipulate that prisons are schools for criminals.
Solution: Close the prisons and hang the bastards.
Are we happy now or is your solution to give them a time-out without a bedtime snack instead?
I don’t usually respond directly to posters, but it looks like ‘I should vote for who ?’ already has his/her mind made up and isn’t going to let facts change that. What (s)he either doesn’t realize or chooses to ignore, is that a very large percentage of criminals don’t commit crimes while they’re IN jail…because they can’t…they commit them while on bail, on parole, on release and any time they’re not in custody.
From the sounds of it, ‘I should vote for who?’ haven’t been personally affected by crime otherwise (s)he’d be singing a much different tune than the tired old ‘catch and release’ mantra.
The CPC is doing what the liebrals knew they had to do but decided they wouldn’t…build more cell space to accomodate the ‘me’ generation that doesn’t believe laws apply to them.
The liebrals used unearned and unwarranted parole as their extra jails, depending on rotating inmates in and out of prison on various release programs, hopefully before the judges could sentence more to take their places.
The CPC realized that this wouldn’t work forever and that the public had had enough of criminals flaunting the justice system to the point that they didn’t see any reason not to commit crimes since they wouldn’t be doing any real time.
The onus is now on the criminal, where it should be, to EARN their release with improved behaviour and with more stringent rules should they flaunt the trust that was put in them by awarding parole in the first place, a trust they broke willingly.
Quite frankly, we have an increasing criminal population because there was no deterrence under the liebrals. Guaranteed parole after 1/6 of a sentence, no matter what the behaviour in prison, was a travesty and failing to withdraw that parole automatically when new crimes were committed was a slap in the face to law abiding citizens.
It will take a little time for the criminals to learn that they don’t have a ‘get out of jail free’ card anymore and it will take making prison less comfortable than the street to make them want to stay out.
Thanks to the abuse and deliberate misleading of the law abiding citizen by successive liebral governments in a charade to fake the numbers of recidivists and crime rates, people like ‘I should vote for who?’ et al have no concept about what crime and deterrence actually means and spout the party line without even stopping to think about what they’re saying.
I speak from 30+ years association and direct involvement with the criminal justice system, not a couple of years as a member of the young liebral club memorizing talking points.
What Bemused, who knows how to use a shift key, said.
The provinces, particularly those with entitlement ideology governments, thought the Federal government was a perpetual money tree.
Hmm, there are different levels of crime.
As long as we aren’t wasting time, money and cell space with victimless crimes then we need to spend what it takes to enforce our laws — or change them.
When it comes to saving money I’d rather cut in areas other than education. We need to make it easier for people to be productive in society and not end up reliant of assistance.
What philosopher was it who said “Truth is a perception.”?
PMSH is proving a pleasnant surprise as a majority government Prime Minister.
No, he’s not doing everything I would want. Or that other small ‘c’ conservatives would.
But, in retrospect, he was more than the best of 3 bad choices(I don’t count the Greens or BQ as serious).
He was the only choice for those who chose to vote.
And the Kyoto decision was the proof in the pudding.
It always amazes me that the people screaming about “mega-prisons” don’t seem to have a problem with housing inmates in antiquated and overcrowded facilities.
Headingley Correctional Institution (Winnipeg) was established in 1930. Jamming three to a cell doesn’t help with a volatile environment.
What they have a problem with is a government hat is willing to spend the money that has to be spent to repair a crumbling system instead of cutting cheques to special interest groups that should be financing themselves instead of latching on to the public teat and sucking the entire system dry.
Talk to anyone that lives in a decent sized city and they’ve had their car stolen/broken into or their home broken into they might even have been mugged.
I’ve been “lucky” enough to have my car broken into TWICE once across the street from the police station. I went in and told them what happened and they said to phone my insurance company. I also had the mirrors off my car kicked off.
That’s not victim-less. That cost me over 1000 dollars. These thugs get away with this time and time again. The solution is to put them in jail something Liberals keep saying will only make matters worse. Give me a flippin break.
Not that big of a deal.Whenever ‘liberal party’ is mentioned,most people now think of the words ‘thieves and steal’.
socialistslayer… You are absolutely correct. I DO NOT have a problem with stacking 3 to a cell(4 would be better). Feed them the bare nutritional value per day, give them basic shelter and make them work.They could avoid work gangs by attending and passing rehabilitation courses.
If you find this idea too harsh perhaps you could move a few of them in with you and your family and show us how to rehab them.
Canadian Conservatives are “cutters” says one Liberal and another laments that they haven’t created any new programs.
It seems to me that our little corner of the universe is unfolding as it should.
I’m praying for you, American cousins.
Keep the faith.
What Oz @ 6:57 said.
Prisons will become “a school for criminals.” If they’re anything like our regular schools they won’t learn much.
We need gulags. Ok, I’m paraphrasing what so many of you assholes wrote. Anyway, I’m all for it…when Canadian citizens have had enough, it will give us someplace to put the gang of criminals currently in power. And their enablers.
– just give us back our right to armed self defense and you can cut the size of the criminal law and corrections in half and not miss it – except the streets would be safer and jails emptier.
You mean like in the US, where they have one of the highest crime rates in the developed world? Gawd, “right-wing intelligence” is an oxymoron.
How did lberia, Stalin’s pet pervert, escape from PET Cemetery?
With a little help from its friend:
Ulyanov “Shoot The Kulaks” Lenin.
I did volunteer work in St Louis, where I learned, that just about everything, is ileagal. If you applied American law to our crimminal code, our prision population should double, at a rough guess. (due to drug laws) When I lived in Danmark, it was similar, offences were delt with in a civic manner, so citizens where not “stigmatized” with a criminal record.
“Crime Rate” depends on what the locals think is a crime; Even murder can have a vaiable definition.
Iberia said: “We need gulags. Ok, I’m paraphrasing what so many of you *ssholes wrote.”
Yeah, because “lawful incarceration of convicted criminals” is the same thing as “concentration camp for political prisoners”, just as a reduction in the rate of budget increase is a cut.
Language really is the first casualty of politics.
Oh..seems like Iberia’s left sided nerve was hit. Too bad, so sad that you have to deal with the undoing of the crap the left has forced this country to become.
At the rate the PM is going, should be right as rain by the time the next election comes around.
Until then..deal with it.
If you are leftard … words only mean what you believe them to mean.
on the other hand, neither left nor right, teh shift key will not impede my ability to thank the phantom for “cutting” to the chase. or, as barbara frum might say: “thanks for that.”
if individuals want to make choices that will criminalise their lives, i would prefer that they would be reminded (not occassionally, mind you) that actions have consequences.
lberia @ 7:58 PM snidely spews
“You mean like in the US, where they have one of the highest crime rates in the developed world? Gawd, “right-wing intelligence” is an oxymoron.”
America’s highest crime rates are concentrated in urban centers with Canadian-like hand gun/self defence bans. In stark contrast, America’s lowest crime rates (many lower than the Canadian average) are found in regions and municipalities which adopted “must issue” concealed carry handgun permitting. Crime rates fell 30% to 200% after civilian concealed carry was legislated. All states implementing concealed citizen carry experienced dramatic crime rate decreases – none experienced the “blood in the streets” Dodge city scenarios anti-gun zealots predicted. Criminals just quietly shifted to less violent, less confrontational crimes to avoid being dispatched by an armed citizen – “more Guns Less Crime” –Prof. John Lott
Citizen self defense initiatives have produced significant crime reduction impact in every jurisdiction they have been implemented. THESE are on-record facts bed wetter,- go check ‘em if you have any intellectual capacity for truth – or is it easier to just regurgitate ancient long discredited anti-self defense mantras and make unintelligent broad-brush condemnations?
Probably the most pathetic thing to witness is the gormless intellectual suicide committed by some holophobe sophist in the pretention of being an expert on crime or self-defence when they have no practical knowledge of either.
I’m loath to wish tragedy on anyone but frankly people as naïve about criminals as this really do deserve to face a violent criminal. Perhaps the reality of such a meeting will be the cathartic moment which dislodges that lump in your lower colon you call your head.
What maz2 and The Phantom said.
Thanks Ken.
Occam, trollberia is pretty much demonstrating in microcosm the point Publius makes about The Toronto (Red) Star. He’s hoping to deflect attention from his incessant lying with even more lying.
My favorite part of this particular lie he’s just told is Britain as has a -much- higher crime rate than the USA. The US has a higher murder rate at the moment, but the Brits are rapidly gaining ground there too. If you remove super high crime hotspots from the tally, Britain wins the murder rate contest hands down.
London is far more dangerous than NYC.
Yikes.
Prisons will become “a school for criminals.” If they’re anything like our regular schools they won’t learn much.
they’re not anything like our regular schools, way more effective for teaching skills, and the inmates learn their craft well, that’s why prisons are called ‘crime colleges’.
More crap from knuckle heads who don’t like the truth. First and foremost…The Phatom. London had 125 murders in 2010; NYC 532. Yet, NYC is safer??
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23914131-murder-rate-in-london-is-lowest-since-1978-but-gun-killings-rise.do
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/01/new_york_city_sees_532_murders.html
I can find other links. Where is your proof, phatboy?
And occam citing John Lott. Hahaha. Lott is a right wing economist and gun nut. Him “proving” carrying guns reduces crime is like Himmler “proving” Jews are sub human. Just more nonsense from someone who has already decided on a conclusion.
If a criminal is in a prison, they cannot be on the street.
If there are min sentences, lawyers will be unable to plea bargain down a sentence.
If a criminal intent on committing a crime, was unsure if the intended victim was armed, the criminal is deterred from committing the crime.
When socialist agencies have to rely solely on charity for funding, instead of government funding, and they fail to achieve their intended goal, the funding drys up.
See the pattern?
re: murder rates…
90% are criminals killing criminals…a win-win scenario.
take away the ‘honour killings’ islamic and otherwise and you have a very miniscule chance of any random act affecting you…
learn to defend yourself and carry the tools to do so…remember, when seconds count the police are only minutes away…and to quote an officer…”either way I’m going to write you a good report, but that’s it…you decide if you want to read it or have your next of kin read it”
and yes “i should vote for who?” you probably did get laughed at…because the police know it’s foola like you that ensure that the effort tehy put into catching a thief is a complete and utter waste of their time and they’ll be more villified for doing their job by moonbats like you than the poor misunderstood disaffected youth will be for stealing your stuff..not so much fun when it happens to you, is it ?
as for laughing at officers for the death of other officers, there’s a special place reserved for you…you’ll find it at your next traffic stop.
you’d be better off to move to nigeria and carry a bible around.
Iberia said: “More crap from knuckle heads who don’t like the truth. First and foremost…The Phatom. London had 125 murders in 2010; NYC 532. Yet, NYC is safer??”
Thanks for repeating what I said, doofus. Yes, NYC is a safer place to live than London. -Crime- rate in NYC is lower, murder rate is higher. You’re much more likely to get robbed and/or beat up in London than NYC, you’re much more likely to get rubbed out in NYC… -if you are a drug dealer-. Normal random citizens (you know, people that work) are not being killed in those stats. Career criminals, druggies and other such pillars of the community are whacking each other. No fear of jail, y’know.
Again, to repeat, if you take out the super high intensity crime locations from the equation (aka de ghetto) then London is a much worse city. The really bad crime in US cities has a very small geographic location, sometimes just a few blocks. Everyplace else is essentially crime-free. Not the case in London, yobs are everywhere.
But that’s math, and you probably can’t figure it out. Or possibly won’t, because it goes against your spin du jour. You can rage on and bob and weave and move the goalposts all you want, but two seconds looking at a crime map tells the story.
Nice try though, and thanks for demonstrating the point of the post again. Its much more instructive with a real Lefty doing the demonstration eh?
We now have, thanks to 40 years of Turdopia, people committing crimes and misdemeanours in the fall just so they can get 3-4 months in a light prison simply for the free food, warm bed and dental. Being a business owner, I have to pay for the scumbags trashing and theft of my premisses, and pay for the pricks incarceration and dental work, I can’t even afford to have my teeth fixed at the cost of dental work, but I can pay taxes up the wazoo so some thief can have good looking teeth when stealing. Dismantle every last vestige of stinking liberalism please Mr. Harper, don’t bend or break at the wailing from the liberal grannies like Simpson Martin or any other “stinking liberal money thief”, Trudeau was an idiot, earth to anyone who thought otherwise.
Interesting that the legacies of liberal governments are now being held in such disrepute.
For Trudeau, it was the raft of social engineering, for Cretchien it is adscam, for Martin SSM.
Quite the legacy, perhaps a juxtaposition to compare length of time to achieve all that and the time Harper had for his is in order?
Interesting that the legacies of liberal governments are now being held in such disrepute.
For Trudeau, it was the raft of social engineering, for Cretchien it is adscam, for Martin SSM.
Quite the legacy, perhaps a juxtaposition to compare length of time to achieve all that and the time Harper had for his is in order?
truedough, crouton and martini all had the common liebral thread…complete and utter disdain for the people who were going to have to pay for their foolishness….liebrals have official talking points composed of outrageous lies and massaged statistics…the taxpayer has bills and shattered dreams that they can no longer afford to follow after paying the moonbats that other moonbats put into positions that have no other reason to exist than liebrals aren’t qualified to do any real work.
As for crime statistics…watch for a large jump once the liebral ‘multi-culturalism’ army gets a solid foothold and starts to move past their beachheads…
London, Dec 28 (ANI): The number of women from Britain’s ethnic communities stepping forward to report honour-related violence has more than doubled in three years, new figures have revealed.
Figures from the Metropolitan Police show that in the 12 months to April 2011 there were 443 incidents reported as cases of honour violence or forced marriage in London alone, more than double that in 2007–08.
A separate recent survey of all police forces, using Freedom of Information Act, revealed that there were nearly 3,600 reported cases nationwide in 2010, The Telegraph reports.
Campaigners warn that recorded cases may be just the “tip of the iceberg” with thousands of incidents going unreported each year because of fear of reprisal, family pressure or inconsistent police recording.
“The figures are woefully underestimated, we are dealing with the tip of the iceberg, we don’t know how many thousands are at risk because it is a hidden crime and there is no statutory duty to record it,” said Jasvinder Sanghera, the founder of the victim support group Karma Nirvana.
“This is an issue for British born subjects, we have really got to acknowledge that and move away from being ‘culturally sensitive’ and fear of being called racist, it’s an issue of child protection,” the paper quoted her, as saying.
Does anyone know for real why liberals oppose tougher sentences for criminals? I just can’t understand the concept one bit. A man in Victoria was just convicted of throwing a homeless woman in front of a bus and got 2 years in prison. In Liberal land that sentence is probably too rough. He probably just needed a hug.
Does anyone know for real why liberals oppose tougher sentences for criminals?
~james
Liberals believe that crime is society’s fault.
That society has somehow “failed” the perpetrator and that with a little social engineering the perpetrator can be rehabilitated and society can be educated in how not to fail people like him in the future.
They don’t believe in justice, they believe in “social justice” which is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Prison, in the Liberal’s view, is just mean-spirited punishment that doesn’t rehabilitate the convicted criminal.
Liberals don’t believe in spanking children as punishment, so it’s no great leap to foregoing incarcerating or executing people for serious crime.
In the Liberal world view, individuals are not responsible for their actions.
They believe in the collective society, and society is perceived to be at fault, not the individual.
When they finish building their Socialist Utopia where all needs are provided for, there will be no crime because people will not be capable of thinking criminal thoughts stemming from inequality and acting upon them.
The Liberal welfare state exists to prevent the individual from bearing the consequences of their individual choices.
If an individual’s choices lead to individual success, then the welfare state taxes the success away.
If the individuals choices lead to individual failure(birth out of wedlock, drug abuse, wasting their educational opportunities) the welfare state takes the taxes from successful individuals and subsidises the individual whose choices lead to failure.
Theoretically, this subsidization provides for the needs of the failed individual and makes criminal activity unnecessary.
No individual consequence, good or bad, is allowed to impact the Utopian goal of social justice.
Proof, phatom…all I see are your words, but no proof.
As for the rest of you “lock em up and throw away the key” types, I hope you enjoy the higher taxes that will be needed to build and maintain all those new prisons (and look after the inmates)that you so desire.
“The administration of justice is the firmest pillar of government”
~George Washington
“Justice, sir, is the great interest of man on earth. It is the ligament which holds civilized beings and civilized nations together.”
~Daniel Webster
As for the rest of you “lock em up and throw away the key” types, I hope you enjoy the higher taxes that will be needed to build and maintain all those new prisons (and look after the inmates)that you so desire.
~some twit who hasn’t adjusted to the new political reality
You mistakenly assume that the taxes which you like spent on socialist programs that conservatives dislike won’t be reallocated to the applications that conservatives think better merit the expenditure, therefore making tax hikes unnecessary.
Get used to disappointment, your vision of the world is being defunded and dismantled.
I would rather have a rapist in jail where I know where he is than roaming the parking lot where my wife is.
The problem with liebrals in general and moonbats in particular, when crime is concerned, is that they insist on looking at criminal actions from their position.
They refuse to understand that criminals con’t think like they do, they think like criminals do and people that never see the real world outside of a drum circle will never get that.
You can’t apply logic, common sense or the concept of consequences for actions taken to them because they don’t use that line of decision making…that’s why they’re criminals and you can’t reason with them because not one of them looks five minutes down the road to see what might happen next.
It’s all about immediate self gratification or for the ‘hands off’ criminals the calculated provison of that and the ‘super criminals’ you see on TV being captured and whisked off to jail in a half hour show almost never see any punishment in real life because they never go to trial…or even get caught…and if the ydo, then the same ones wailing here that ‘harper’s too tough on crime” are the ones that spring tghem to continue their crimes then bitch because they’re the next ones to be affected.
As for criminals getting caught, the police don’t have the resources you see on TV, they don’t have the time or manpower to go looking for your stolen DVD player so they tell you the truth “put in an insurance claim” because the only way it’s going to come back is if it turns up by luck in a raid, chances are someone just like themselves bought it out of a car trunk because that somehow ‘stuck it to Wal-mart’.
The drug lords and crime bosses almost never get caught and if they do, it’s because someone gave them up to get something for themselves.
A veteran officer once told me “it’s not C-S-I that solves crimes…it’s R-A-T” and he was 100% right.
If you want to stop crime, get rid of all the liebral social engineers, their lunacy isn’t working and is only telling criminals that they don’t have anything to worry about because we’ll let them do whatever they want without making them answer for it.
You want to know what causes the mosrt crime today ? The answer is ‘liebrals’.
liebrals with money use the drugs that dealers kill each other to provide and the lower class addicts steal and fight over then whine that ‘drugs should be legalized’ and I agree.
Legalize all drugs and the number of hardcore addicts will drop off almost immediately once they OD because they can afford more, meanwhile the dope smokers will free up a lot more jobs once they get fired for coming to work stoned.
Of course they can always find work in the dipper camp except with dope legalized then they’d have fewer things to camapign for and a bunch of stoners in the front office wouldn’t go over very well anymore.
Break, enter and theft crimes are an epidemic, but 99% of them affect other criminals because they’re the easiest to steal from and the least likely to report it. Most property crimes aren’t committed in high income areas because those areas are more likely to call the police when something looks out of place and to have alarms, lights, decent locks and cameras. Thank the liebrals for increasing welfare payments to the point where the lowest income families have the big screen TV’s and other toys that the middle class can’t afford anymore because they’re paying for the welfare state.
Thank the liebrals for the whole “it’s society’s fault, not the individual’s” bullcrap…that’s done more to increase crime than anything else because it removed the onus for proper behaviour from the criminal and assured him that he would never have to atone for his crimes therefore he sees no reason to stop or even be the slightest bit worried he’ll be caught..after all, it’s not like he has to face any punishment other than free meals, a soft bed and all the recreational equipment he can break…don’t worry, there’ll be new stuff tomorrow, it’s his ‘right’ to have it just as much as it’s his ‘right’ to refuse programs or to work, there has to be a minimum amount given to him to spend on his candy and chips…welfare is in prisons too.
Too many liebrals made too many inane decisions and now it’s up to someone else to fix their foolishness, they can whine about it all they want, but it’s getting done and that’s a good thing.
“As for the rest of you “lock em up and throw away the key” types, I hope you enjoy the higher taxes that will be needed to build and maintain all those new prisons”
Even if this does happen shouldn’t liberals celebrate this? I mean you believe in raising taxes and increasing government spending right? Think of all those jobs created in the public sector! Think of all the wealth redistribution!
exactly…after all, they did so much to find criminals jobs…as being criminals
(NBC Washington) — The union representing D.C. police claims crime in the District is up, in part because officers are being pulled from neighborhood patrols and reassigned to monitor the Occupy D.C. protests.
Kristopher Baumann, chairman of D.C.’s Fraternal Order of Police wrote a letter to Mayor Vincent Gray stating violent crime is up by 17% and overall crime is up by 14% since protesters moved into the city 3 months ago.
The letter scolded Mayor Gray saying, “Your failure to warn District residents about a double digit spike in violent crime is inexcusable. The public has a right to know when crime is increasing and public awareness can facilitate crime prevention.”
Oz, great quotes. A certain troll is still upset that his namesake was executed after Uncle Joe bit the dust.
a@c, exactly.
Hopefully 2012 will bring some big chops in certain areas of the civil service and not just small cuts that will be replaced within a year or two.
Iberia said: “Proof, phatom…all I see are your words, but no proof.”
Proof? What is this, court? You want to cross examine a witness?
Tell you what trollberia, you dig up some -proof- that Stephen Harper and the rest of our CPC MPs are a “gang of criminals”, and I’ll take five minutes to do the google search that seems beyond your power to do.
I won’t hold my breath.
Phatboy, congratulations. You win the prestigious ET prize for prevarication and hypocrisy.