Find a snake pit of murderous anti-Semites.
Fenton Communications, which has offices in Washington, D.C., New York, and San Francisco, signed two contracts last year with Qatar to develop “a communications action plan for an 18-month campaign” aimed at delegitimizing Israel and generating international support for the Hamas-run Gaza strip, documents filed with the Department of Justice show. The campaign, known as the “Al Fakhoora Project,” has a very visible Web presence that boasts of rallying 10,000 activists “against the blockade on Gaza.”
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Testimony one of the commandos released later described how the “activists” shot this commanding officer in the leg and stabbed him in the stomach before tossing him off the deck. Other “activists” on the lower deck then dragged the officer inside, taking a knife to expand the wound in his stomach. “They cut his ab muscles horizontally and by hand spilled his guts out,” the soldier said. “When they finished, they raised him up and walked him on the deck outside. He was conscious the whole time…. ”
Isn’t there any way one can freeze their accounts?
The whole initial operation on the Israeli side bore the hallmarks of compromise with political interference, bad intelligence, and lack of means. There are numerous nonlethal but extremely painful methods available to clear the decks of assailants before boarding a ship from the air or from alongside. Paint balls are not usually considered one of them.
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I don’t understand how people twist this gaza blockade issue into an issue of ‘anti-semitic’ motives!
Even Jewish people from Germany are sending aid!
The claims that Israel make to land are based on an interpretation to the bible!
They are starving people while they slowly take over their land. The scary and ironic thing is…it’s much like Hitler did to the Jewish community…are there many differences between Gaza and the Warsaw ghetto? Would you stand against a person in the latter for throwing fire bombs like the people in Gaza are for launching mini rockets that usually don’t even blow up?
People were executed on the Mavi Marmari, shot several times at close range in the back and back of the head. There were no weapons found other than kitchen equipment, tool handles, and some poles/bars.
Al-Jazeera is actually a fairly unbiased news source…MUCH better than any MSM source…let alone MSM from Israel regarding a story about internal issues. You can call that being a ‘lefty’ all you want…you don’t even really know what your precious insult means..you just associate it with anything that doesn’t fit your view or opinion.
Israel sends tons of aid into Gaza each week. No one is starving. Hamas would like people to think so but that is simply not the case.
In some areas of the world the telling of transparently obvious lies is not meant to deceive the listener/reader but is merely an expression of contempt for same.
“There were no weapons found other than kitchen equipment, tool handles, and some poles/bars.”
Yeah, and all deadly. But “you just associate it with anything that doesn’t fit your view or opinion” Moron.
Btj..no weapons?
No knives? sharpened stakes, knuckle dusters, metal rods, straight edged razors?
What about the weapons sights they found, most likely from dumped weapons?
How did the terrorists manage to spill the commando’s guts? harsh words?
Are you telling us, that because the rockets are amateurish (they are not, they are loaded with enough explosives to destroy a wing of a house) that it is o.k?
You are seriously deluded.
BTJ – I see you have chosen to swallow the Fenton Communications slant on the story. There are numerous videos that show conclusively what really happened on that ship – how you can choose to ignore the evidence in them is telling indeed. What do you make of the actions by those on the ship, who gutted a man while he was conscious? Do you consider that act justified? I’d rather be shot in the back of the head than be gutted while wide awake and made to stand up. They seemed to have enough strength to attack the military – couldn’t be too darn hungry. Want to see real starving people – check out Darfur – they are Muslim too, but they get no help from the Muslim / Hamas brotherhood because they serve no purpose in making the Jews look bad.
Do you realize that Canada performed the identical strategical tactic of lowering of its troops via helicopters, in international waters, onto an American Ship to re-claim machinery and equipment that belonged to Canada? No complaints about tactics then – why now?
FYI, The people living in Gaza are not starving, on the contrary. There are postal codes in Canada that are poorer than those living in Gaza. Here are some pics of the Gaza strip for you. They just built an Olympic sized swimming pool, have opulent and I mean opulent 5 star hotels and restaurants – you wont find any of those in Darfur.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/road-trip-gaza.html
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/05/more-chubby-starving-gazans-living-the-life-of-luxury.html
From Pamela over at Atlas:
“There is no humanitarian crisis in the terror statelet of Gaza, and there is no such thing as a “Palestinian.” It was historically just a geographical designation: there were Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims before ‘48. But no state. No history. No nationality distinct from that of the other Arabs in the area. No flag of this fakestinian narrative. That land is Jewish land. That history is Jewish history. That flag is the star of King David.”
“The only humanitarian crisis in Gaza is the lack of humanity in Gaza. They elected Hamas, whose charter specifically demands in its first paragraph the destruction of the state of Israel.”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/jihad-.html
“I don’t understand how people twist this gaza blockade issue into an issue of ‘anti-semitic’ motives!”
Then you need to type less and read more, I guess.
Ask the terrorist supporting James Clark ( a favourite commentator on Michael Coren) all about the left’s collusion with terrorists.
BTJ – I suggest you read this article – it is balanced and objective.
“….The truth is that an independent Palestine is now quietly being built, with Israeli assistance…”
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001072.html
Fenton Communications is the go-to PR firm for America’s so-called “progressives”. They were behind MoveOn.org and many other pet causes of the ultra-leftist “progressive” Democratic agenda in the US, especially during the recent Presidential campaigns. Why doesn’t it surprise me they’d work for the anti-Semites, too?
Scratch a leftist, indeed.
Gaza was Egypt, they lost it when they invaded Israel. It is not an Illegal occupation and the people there used to be Egyptians. I have no idea when they morphed into Palestinians. If you invade your neighbours you are taking the chance that it might turn out badly for you, like it did to the Germans who live in what is now Poland, but used to be Prussia.
Unfortunately for Israel, and the entire west, is we don’t seem to understand that war is about getting what you want by any means necessary. WE might be very good at the armed combat side of that, but we are lousy at every other side of it.
Photo essay from Arabic – Palestinian website.
http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html
I just lost my lunch Kate.
Animals would have been kinder.
Why not change the name of this blog to “The Daily Race Hustle”?
Why not change the name of this blog to “The Daily Race Hustle”?
It’s already taken.
minuteman
[…”I have no idea when they morphed into Palestinians.”…]
Actually the term Palestinian has been about for some time—vaguely post WW1.
About 1968, the Russians invented the name to apply to the arab migrants that the arab nations were keeping in concentration camps. Most had never nor their parents had ever set foot in what is now Isreal. They were/are the Arab’s equivalent of white trash….many were from Yemen.
The gal who brandishes the huge old house key she claims was from a house in Palestine was born and raised in the slums of Cairo.
The few who actually were pre-1948 residents fled widely declared Arab freefire zones.
Isreal has many, many Arab muslim and christian citizens.
The inconvenient truth the lefty/islaofascist alliance avoid is that there is already an Arab Palestinian state—-Jordan…..which formally annexed the West Bank after 1948.
Much like Eygpt had annexed the Gaza Strip.
Basically the Arabs whined the JOOS stole our land…when a quick glance at an atlas revealed Eygpt, Syria and Jordan had it and were keeping them in concentration camps in their own land.
The “peace activists” seized pistols from some of the beaten-down commandos. It would not surprise me at all if the alleged shots to the backs of their saintly little heads came from their cobelligerents displaying some of that typical Muslim firearm proficiency. Even if it did come from the Israeli commandos, so what? The situation was an instant melee, the “peace activists” declared their hostile intent in the most unambiguous way. Do you honestly think the machine gunners in the pillboxes of Normandy ceased fire if the invading Allies happened to turn their backs for a moment? Good God the mental gymnastics required to be a Lefty.
And now we hear about them slicing open some guy’s abdomen and disemboweling him by hand? You Leftos really need to think about who you’re jumping into ideological bed with. If you think Western conservatives are intolerant try life under these lunatics.
What eludes Kate is she’s actually defending two peoples, one hides within the other. Christ called them the good and bad figs.
Interestingly, the bad fig (Capri) fertilizes the good fig (Smyrna) via a WASP. So, Kate is being used as part of that ecosystem. lol
“And now we hear about them slicing open some guy’s abdomen and disemboweling him by hand?”
I know on the surface this might sound terrible but if you look at it as being a “cultural” thing it’s perfectly acceptable.
Who thought getting supplies to clean your Olympic pool would be so hard. That was sarcasm for those who are too dense to believe this was anything but a PR exercise in Palestinian propaganda.
“I know on the surface this might sound terrible but if you look at it as being a “cultural” thing it’s perfectly acceptable.”
Yeah, according to a few judges I guess so. I mean, apparently Honor Killings are deserving of cultural sensitivity too.
Nicely played with that link Kate.
There very well may come a time when “sweep the decks” will be a return to grape and canister. Not with a straw broom.
No one chooses to remember these points on the left. They cry over GAZA when in fact they have no clue. Never did. Arafat used that and the bleeding heart strings to amass billions in his personal bank account, which his widow inherited. So much for caring about the ‘Palestinians’. They are still poverty striken because he amassed a fortune on the backs of ‘his own people’. This continues to this day, but there is no longer any pretense about what they aim to do: They intend to end Israel. IF they succeed ( I believe they will NOT) it is just a precursor to what they will do to the West. In fact, as Mark Steyn points out in his excellent book, America Alone, they are well on their way to accomplishing that very thing in the West without firing a shot. Just look at what is happening in the US right now and the WH is looking more and more like they are using age old effective Muslim tactics: It is acceptable to tell any lie, commit any murder as long as the means justify the ends: Which is to rule the world once more.
I think we would all be alarmed if we really knew how close they really are.
As someone pointed out above: We are really good at sending troops and fighting that way, but in every other way we just SUCK AT IT.
And it is time we woke up and started fighting this as though our lives depend on it, because THEY DO!
And that ‘snakepit of murderous anti-semites’ were on board that blockade runner and they intended to kill Israeli soldiers. Vicious and uncaring, they expect the sympathy of the world. Since when do we molly coddle murderers? Oh, right… right here in Canada. It is called our justice system. If Israel was not trying to fight a policially correct blockade this would not have happened. They were wrong to have not gone in full force and armed to the teeth. I hope BeBe can slap some sense into them or Israel will lose this war and for them, it means everything. And to us. Those willing to run the blockade know they are likely to get the sympathy of the world while telling lies about the compassion of Israel and Israelis. There are more than a million Palestinian Arabs who have taken up residence and taken the generous offer of becoming Israeli citizens. You know what Hamas and Hezbollah think of that. If you remember the movie EXODUS , what they did to Ari’s Arab childhood friend is what Hamas and Hezbollah want to do to all Jews and will do it any way they can manage. And what they will do to any Arabs who want to live in peace.
If you think a three foot iron pipe is not a deadly weapon- you might be a liberal.
Still laughing at that link Kate.
Good to have you back.
Seeing as all the morons in the world dump on Israel when she tries to tackle these blockade runners humanely, next go-round she may as well just torpedo the damn ships and machine-gun the survivors. The leftards can’t shriek any louder.
What the commandos should have done was kill everyone on the ship and plant weapons on all the bodies and in the hold. They would have face no worse propaganda but would have sent a stronger message.
Every breath a liberal takes afer calling us Nazis is proof they’re wrong. They should fear that some day they will be correct.
I was surprised to read uber-hawk Carloine Glick’s recent piece in which she describes the new tactics as “suicide protesting”. She advises Israel to study non lethal methods for dealing with them in order to defeat this new propaganda technique. I dunno.
The only “weapons” a Leftard see’s is a shotgun in the hands of a North American farmer, or a glass beer mug in the hands of a British pub crawler.
A rocket propelled grenade in the hands of a “disenfranchised” Palestinian youth aimed at an Israeli grade school is simply a tactical implement of frustrated expressionism.
No need to spend billions of taxpayer dollars to register those toys for big boys, in fact the Libs will fund you though the back door so that you can get more.
BTJ…Did I read correctly? “The claims that Israel make to land are based on an interpretation to the bible!” 4000 years of uninterupted Jewish history in the Middle East (though there had been exiles remnants of Hebrews had always been in the land) with the archeology to prove it. If it was not the case the Jordanian Govenment in league with the Palestinians would not be destroying archeological treasures that are under the Temple Mount. Further with your seriously skewed historical revisionism you give license to draw and quarter the Jews, as was done in the article posted above. Your moral compass is pointing in the same direction of your historical knowledge…to an abyss of ignorance.
“No knives? sharpened stakes, knuckle dusters, metal rods, straight edged razors?”
Like I said…KITCHEN EQUIPMENT, POLES/CLUBS, TOOL HANDLES. You show me differently. If that’s what you call deadly weapons you are delusional and should expect to get arrested the next time you go our and buy a kitchen knife. Did any Israeli soldiers die? No? Doesn’t sound like those weapons were very deadly then.
“How did the terrorists manage to spill the commando’s guts? harsh words?”
It’s a BS story.
“Are you telling us, that because the rockets are amateurish (they are not, they are loaded with enough explosives to destroy a wing of a house) that it is o.k?”
You don’t think that’s amateurish? Are you kidding me? Have you seen the capability of modern weaponry? Do you understand that Israel is one of two countries in the world that has nuclear weapons but no nuclear power?
Would you point fingers at Jews in the Warsaw ghetto throwing Molotov cocktails?
“There are numerous videos that show conclusively what really happened on that ship – how you can choose to ignore the evidence in them is telling indeed.”
Please, tell me exactly what I’m missing.
“I’d rather be shot in the back of the head than be gutted while wide awake and made to stand up. ”
IT’S A BS STORY THAT ONLY ISRAEL IS TELLING! You’d rather be shot in the head (dead) than have your stomach cut open and live?
“FYI, The people living in Gaza are not starving, on the contrary. There are postal codes in Canada that are poorer than those living in Gaza. Here are some pics of the Gaza strip for you.”
That’s BS to the worst proportion…you are delusional and hateful for even considering that horse poo. Do a google images search for ‘Gaza food’ and show me all the pictures with big colourful fruit stands. What a joke.
“Then you need to type less and read more, I guess.”
Ha! This isn’t Kate herself is it? I would suggest to you that instead of reading only what fits your OPINION, you do the intelligent thing and actually read INFORMATION…from ALL SOURCES.
Does the fact that Israel is just now, after global pressure, allowing CHILDREN’S TOYS and FOOD not tell you anything.
Gaza got bombarded with bombs and bullets, including phosphorus rounds…and they are not allowed building supplies. The city is in ruins. Tell me the difference between Gaza and the Warsaw ghetto…somebody…please.
“Gaza was Egypt, they lost it when they invaded Israel. It is not an Illegal occupation and the people there used to be Egyptians.”
You have a warped version of history that you will find does not match reality.
“What the commandos should have done was kill everyone on the ship and plant weapons on all the bodies and in the hold. They would have face no worse propaganda but would have sent a stronger message.”
And I’m the delusional one…good god some of you people are disgusting.
“If you think a three foot iron pipe is not a deadly weapon- you might be a liberal.”
If you think a three foot iron pipe aboard a ship against assault rifles, helicopters, and soldiers is a deadly weapon – you are delusional.
BTJ..there are pictures of the weapons taken from the terrorists..there are pictures of them with tactical knives.
The terrorists used metal rods they cut from the deck with rotary saws and sharpened the ends. They also used chains, with the ends taped for a better grip.
You are lying when you say the Israelis attacked the ship. They attempted to board the ship and were immediately surrounded, stabbed and beaten.
They came down the ropes armed with paintball guns and 9mm pistols. Show me a picture where the commandos dropped with assault rifles?
The shooting started when the commandos were being thrashed within an inch of their lives and then relieved of their pistols. Good riddance to bad trash.
Would you honestly have us believe that there is a comparison between these people and the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto? The Jews deliver tons of food, water and medicine per week to these people, they are hardly starving. You are making an uneducated and superficial comparison. You say you are concerned with the blockade..you do realize that it has now been shown that these relief ships carried very little in the way of relief supplies. In fact it was a martyrs flotilla.
I will ask you a simple question..let’s forget all the rhetoric..
Do you support the right of Israel to exist?
Yes or no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKhZSa3mZM0
Israeli PM aboard aid ship gives her account.
“there are pictures of the weapons taken from the terrorists..there are pictures of them with tactical knives.”
Show me them…the only knives I’ve seen were clearly kitchen knives.
“The terrorists used metal rods they cut from the deck with rotary saws and sharpened the ends. They also used chains, with the ends taped for a better grip.”
Hahaha! Propaganda at its finest…the ‘terrorists’? You mean like that Israeli PM? You sure are gullible my friend…believing ridiculous stories.
“You are lying when you say the Israelis attacked the ship. They attempted to board the ship and were immediately surrounded, stabbed and beaten.”
BS…the details of the events are not clear, but it is more than likely that at least smoke and flash grenades were fired on the ship prior to boarding.
“They came down the ropes armed with paintball guns and 9mm pistols. Show me a picture where the commandos dropped with assault rifles?”
Paint ball guns!? Are you serious? Good lord…I’m shocked at the sort of crap you’ll believe.
http ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_DX8JU3psI
” The Jews deliver tons of food, water and medicine per week to these people, they are hardly starving.”
BS…where do you get this crap from? Let me guess…Israel. I’m sure Germany assured us the jews were getting proper nutrition and medical supplies too.
“you do realize that it has now been shown that these relief ships carried very little in the way of relief supplies. In fact it was a martyrs flotilla.”
Is that right? And just where did you get that BS from?
“Do you support the right of Israel to exist?”
Yes, to the extent of their 1967 borders.
Might I remind everyone that the ship was attacked in INTERNATIONAL WATERS.
Mouth, humour me- do you even READ newspapers?
No one is interested in your fiction.
BTJ – I think you have some serious factual and logical problems.
First, Israel exists. Debating about whether or not it should do so, whether ‘first footstep’ or ‘god’s promise’ or whatever justifies its existence, is irrelevant. The Palestinians also exist and debating that ‘they don’t have a right to exist because their name isn’t ancient’ or ‘they are really Jordanians’ or ‘the land was empty in 1948’ is equally irrelevant as well as non-factual.
Given that both peoples exist, and that nations are not religious or essential but political constructs, one has to consider what to do with this situation.
I have long strongly criticized Israel for its settlements in the W. Bank, for this is taking land from what I believe should be a Palestinian state and for its rejection of a Palestinian state. But I don’t advocate a two-state solution but a federation of Israel and Palestine, with each having their own land base over which they have educational, religious, and societal authority; however they operate as a unified federation economically and internationally.
The reason for this is because I consider it a fact to be faced, that water is vital in the ME, and Israel requires control of the W.Bank aquifers, and, because Iran would swallow a separate Palestine in a second and use it to take over Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, SA.
Now, given that side issue, it is also a reality that Hamas controls Gaza and is an arm of Iran. Iran would very much like Israel to attack it, so that it could move into a ME war. Again, Iran has an imperial agenda against the Arab states and it would like Israel to attack so that it could move into a war against those Arab states.
Hamas is constantly on the attack against Israel. Israel has to protect its citizens against this. Therefore, it has control of the border and that includes the sea border. This is a legal control according to international law. After all, Israel could hardly allow Gaza to receive shipments of arms to be used against Israel!
Therefore, any attempt to break this blockade, under the guise of ‘humanitarian aid’ is suspect. You are ignoring some important facts.
Israel told the flotilla that the ships could dock at an Israeli port, have the goods inspected and Israel would truck them into Gaza. The flotilla refused. Hmmm. That ends their smokescreen of ‘humanitarian aid’.
Israel said they would want to inspect the ships at sea; the flotilla refused. Oh – and did you know that when the goods were taken into Israel and trucked to the border, that Hamas refused them? Hmmm? Hamas said they’d only accept them by sea. Obviously, the agenda then wasn’t about ‘humanitarian aid’ but about breaking the blockage. Again, Israel, under attack by Hamas, has every legal right to that blockade.
It is also utterly naive to say that metal rods and knives are not weapons. Of course they are and the videos, which I’m sure you’ve seen but which for some reason you ignore, show the people on board attacking the Israeli military with those rods and knives.
Yes, Israel delivers food, water, basic medical care and home supplies, via the UN. I’m sure you know that already. After all, how else could these supplies move into Gaza except through Israel and Egypt?
The fact that Hamas, an arm of Iran, doesn’t want to work with Fatah, to recognize Israel. And that Israel continues to settle the W. Bank and occupy that area – these are facts. Both sides are at fault. And don’t ever for one second forget Iran’s role in all this.
But it’s useless to vilify either one; it’s equally useless to move, as some do, into the ‘essentialist arugments’ of some inherent ‘right to exist’ as a nation.
I personally can’t see any way out of this mess other than that one-nation, two-state federation. But until then, Israel must protect itself against Hamas/Iran and must maintain control over what goes into Gaza.
“Might I remind everyone that the ship was attacked in INTERNATIONAL WATERS”.
The rumor coming out now is that Israel was radioed that there were two pregnant women on board simultaneously giving birth and the terrorists were not allowing assistance. They sent in the soldiers to protect them and save the babies.
Israelis actions were heroic and honorable, even if they had to risk being baited into international waters. Apparently the real story was whitewashed by the Liberal media to demonize Israel.
I wonder if bjt and yap are aware that things went bad for the Isrealis because they are dumb lefties, like yap and bjt
BTJ – This is an exercise in futility, but here are more pics for you – gutted man included. I dare you to actually read the story. BTJ – I am sorry to see that you are willingly deceived.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&feature=related
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/a-depraved-obama-expressed-a-deep-regret-over-loss-of-jihadist-life.html
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/recovered-images-of-jihad-flotilla-genocidal-attack.html?cid=6a00d8341c60bf53ef01348367413e970c
“First, Israel exists”
Where did I say differently? I said I believe they have a right to their pre 1967 borders.
“But I don’t advocate a two-state solution but a federation of Israel and Palestine, with each having their own land base over which they have educational, religious, and societal authority; however they operate as a unified federation economically and internationally.”
And we’ve seen how well that works before…show me a successful example of a nation with two separate land bases with unique social structure, unified economically.
“because Iran would swallow a separate Palestine in a second and use it to take over Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, SA.”
BS…assumptions.
“Iran would very much like Israel to attack it, so that it could move into a ME war. Again, Iran has an imperial agenda against the Arab states and it would like Israel to attack so that it could move into a war against those Arab states.”
Huh? I’m the one with factual and logical problems?
” This is a legal control according to international law. ”
No it is not, you will find that in all ways the Gaza blockade is against international law.
“Israel told the flotilla that the ships could dock at an Israeli port, have the goods inspected and Israel would truck them into Gaza. The flotilla refused.”
Of course they refused! They know none of the goods will ever reach Gaza! Trust the people who set up the blockade to go against their own blockade? Huh?
“Yes, Israel delivers food, water, basic medical care and home supplies, via the UN. I’m sure you know that already. After all, how else could these supplies move into Gaza except through Israel and Egypt?”
They deliver a slap in the face in terms of ‘food and supplies’.
“I personally can’t see any way out of this mess other than that one-nation, two-state federation.”
A two state solution…like all rational people suggest.
“The rumor coming out now is that Israel was radioed that there were two pregnant women on board simultaneously giving birth and the terrorists were not allowing assistance. They sent in the soldiers to protect them and save the babies.”
Hahahahahahaha! You’ll believe anything! Let me guess, that ‘rumor’ came out of Israel.
“This is an exercise in futility, but here are more pics for you – gutted man included. I dare you to actually read the story. BTJ – I am sorry to see that you are willingly deceived.”
What were those links supposed to prove again? No Israeli’s died, that pic of the soldier who was ‘gutted’ is pathetic..you can’t seriously expect me to believe that he’s been gutted there can you? Did you watch the video I posted..of dead and shot civilians being treated? Of blood all over the ship?
cinyc: you missed just one small thing. Fenton Communications also is the owner of RealClimate.org, the principal propaganda arm of the global warmers.
The comments about the blockade incident being in international waters and thus illegal are absurd. A state of war exists between Israel and Hamas, by Hamas’ own declarations. Moreover, if Israel’s boarding of the Hamas fleet is deemed illegal by some silly UN declaration or other, so to are all of the pre-emptive boardings of Somali pirate vessels in the Indian Ocean.
No, ET, there is one solution to Hamas. Invade Gaza and destroy the Hamas regime. To be successful this would likely entail an enormous number of fatalities, all too many of them non-combatants. It would necessarily mean shooting on sight all Hamas personnel. Israel’s first problem is that it cannot destroy the Hamas support organization in other nations. Israel’s second problem is that it would bring about serious attacks on its economy by European nations and probably the US under its current regime.
BTJ – an example of a one-nation, two state is Canada. Quebec has its own language, societal, justice, educational and even legal system.
Then, there’s the UK, made up of Scotland, England, Wales and N. Ireland.
You have a unique method of ‘argumentation’ in that you don’t argue or debate; you simply write: BS. Or express shocked surprise but you have no counter arguments.
I stand by my analysis of Iran in the ME. What’s your analysis of Iran’s agenda?
Actually, no, the Gaza blockade IS legal.
“According to the law of blockade which was derived from customary international law and codified in the 1909 Declaration of London. It was updated in 1994 in a legally recognised document called the “San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea”.
Under some of the key rules, a blockade must be declared and notified to all belligerents and neutral states, access to neutral ports cannot be blocked, and an area can only be blockaded which is under enemy control.
“On the basis that Hamas is the ruling entity of Gaza and Israel is in the midst of an armed struggle against that ruling entity, the blockade is legal,” said Philip Roche, partner in the shipping disputes and risk management team with law firm Norton Rose.”
It is also legal to intercept the vessel in international waters IF that vessel had a declared intention of violating the blockade. And, force can be used. These are legal facts.
Could you provide some hard evidence that, contrary to Israeli statements, that ‘the goods wouldn’t reach Gaza’ via Israel? Isn’t that an assumption on your part? Hmmm? Oh, and also, could you comment on the FACT that the goods were shipped by Israel to Gaza, and Hamas refused them.
Facts are facts; the UN delivers food, water and supplies.
No, I don’t advocate a two-state solution, and such a solution isn’t inherently ‘rational’ as you suggest. It’s just a solution and you don’t have to self-praise yourself.
I’d suggest that instead of your usual method of non-argumentation and your ‘BS-reaction’ that you check out the facts. And you could try to debate and analyze a situation rather than make pompous authoritarian comments…informing us that your comments are ‘rational’. No, they are your opinions without debate or analysis. Let others who read them come up with the description of them as ‘rational’ or not.
Here’s a nice outline of the legality of the blockade.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Law/Legal+Issues+and+Rulings/Gaza_flotilla_maritime_blockade_Gaza-Legal_background_31-May-2010.htm
And here’s another – an external source.
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-48994620100602
The issues in the ME are complex and can’t be reduced to such irrational declarations as ‘god gave us the land’ or ‘there’s no such people as Palestinians’ or ‘the land was empty’ or ‘they are all arabs and should leave and go to some other arab country’.
Facts are what matter not emotional opinions. Both Israel and the Palestinians exist. There, in that land base. How does one deal with this reality?
Water is a, if not almost THE key ecological factor, in land ownership and control. Even more than religion – it’s water.
After all, even in Israel, there is internal dissent; you may have heard about the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews (both Jews) groups fighting with each other; the former don’t want their children in the same schools as the Sephardic Jews! heh.
And, then, there’s the reality of Islamic fascism, which is grounded in the Islamic refusal to modernize and enable the devt of a civic political and economic system, i.e., a middle class rather than a tribal structure.
And, there’s Iran and its imperial agenda vs the Arab States. That’s why Saudi Arabia is linking up with Israel..and why Turkey is linking up with Iran.
It’s a complex, multi-leveled situation. My suggestion of a one-nation two-state federation would, I suggest, provide a robust counter to Iran, and provide a strong model for a civic system. At the moment, there’s no suggestion of such a future path.
BTJ is T reborn, and lovin’ it