Time to man up, pot boy.
From the comments;
“That’s the thing about pot. It slowly but surely rots your brain out and you don’t even know it. Then, before you know it, the paranoia sets in and every little thing is seen through the fog of paranoia.”
In. Deed. When reading those archived posts from 2005, it’s useful to know that after exposing the postings at Cannibus Culture, SDA came under repeated DOS attack.
Hear hear, good points, Kate!!
I too am ambivalent with decriminalization of pot now but I reserve endorsing full legalization of all drugs to a future where individual responsibility is not outsourced to the state. IOW, we shouldn’t cherry pick libertarian tenets and make them addendum’s to the welfare / nanny state.
Emery is a somewhat pathetic character to try a frontal assault on the law and not expect consequences. If he wants to be a martyr he needs to man-up as you said. As a practical libertarian, I think it’s unfortunate and embarrassing that so many self professed libertarians make this issue their cause. I find the drug culture to be boring and irresponsible.
Is it me or does his wife look young enough to be his daughter? The dirty dog!
Better they keep this waste of skin in US jails for the five years….Canadian taxpayers should not have to pay to keep this jerk in our jails!
He looks like that guy from The Office after 30 years of misery and failure. That, combined with the fact that he’s obviously off his rocker, would make him a walking advertisement for drug abstention even if he weren’t going to prison.
My theory about the young, hot wife is that she was and continues to be very stoned.
I’m with Al W.
wit you Al W.
Paul in calgary
This would not bother me – except for the fact the Canadian Government gave Emery the okay so long as he paid taxes (kick backs) on his business…
He sure doesn’t look like he’s at all that happy in his photo. He should smile more 🙂
The good news is that he will soon be able to claim illegal immigrant status in the US and they will treat him like a king. A couple of points knocked off because he’s white of course, but no less a lord or baron one would think. Someone like Jessie Jackson could give him that little bit of cheer while… – oops wake up, I was gone there for awhile need another hit………
Maybe Harper could intervene like the Libs want with Kadar? We could sit around the parliament lawn afterwards smoking a joint with Taliban Jack and David Suzuki………..
For years opponents of free speech went out of their way to accuse opponents of the HRCs as being nazi sympathizers and so on. They did so in an attempt to conflate the broader legal issue with the unappetizing characters at the center of the storm. It’s kinda the same thing here, in that – warranted – detestations of the *character* of Marc Emery are supplanting discussion of far more important issues than Mr. Goofball himself – issues like sovereignty, for example: if an offense committed on Canadian soil doesn’t warrant serious jail time here – and if you look at his record, and his repeated arrests, Emery’s apparently doesn’t – then what’s the justification for shipping him elsewhere where the punishment is harsher? I mean, other than the fact that he’s an ass?
I have always believed that when you’re in another country you should understand that you are absolutely subject to its laws, and not the laws of the country you come from. There are countries that prescribe the death penalty for possession of drugs, for example, and my attitude towards the sobbing arrestees has always been, “well, too bad for you, I guess you shouldn’t have marched around Singapore with a brick of heroin in your backpack.” On the other hand, if a Canadian was arrested here in Canada for crimes committed on Canadian soil and then shipped to Singapore, I would find it a bit disturbing – even if she’d mailed drugs to Singapore.
My unease in such a case would have nothing to do with feeling any sympathy for the perp, and it’s kinda the same thing in this case. The DEA (the Americans) asked the Vancouver police to raid his, erm, operation on Canadian soil, and they did, and now we’re shipping him stateside to face a far harsher penalty than he ever received here, despite him being arrested here numerous times.
Somehow, it just doesn’t seem entirely reasonable. Is what he did on Canadian soil a crime in Canada? Good. Arrest, charge, convict, and jail him here.
It seems like the arguments for sending him abroad to be jailed for crimes committed on Canadian soil are more based on dislike for the guy than anything else. Frankly I don’t think Marc Emery is important enough as a human being to supplant other larger, more important considerations that have nothing to do with him.
Anyway, back to talking about what a idiot/loser Marc Emery is…
The conservatives just shot themselves in the foot with this asinine decision to extradite Marc Emery for doing something which is completely legal in Canada. I suspect that the real reason for him being shipped off to the US is for cutting the value of kickbacks from large scale cannabis growers to politicians and police; after all if people can grow their own weed how are crooked politicians supposed to make money?
The closest that Canada got to a libertarian party was the 2002 BC provincial Marijuana Party which garnered a respectable 50,000 or so votes when they made their debut. They were the only party who had a policy of not enforcing federal firearms laws and got my vote as a result. Marc bankrolled the Marijuana party back then but unfortunately developed a fondness for Taliban Jack in the last federal election which I would put down to the stress of his legal proceedings.
What PMSH should have done was to tell the US government that we’re not playing along with your idiotic and totalitarian war on (some) drugs and Emery stays in Canada. That action would have resulted in more seats in BC where cannabis cultivation is the highest valued agricultural commodity and generates more revenue than forestry.
Those who seem to think the Emery extradition is a good thing should remember that cannabis was completely legal in Canada until the 1930’s and all of the “problems” it caused were since it was illegal. It was also completely legal to purchase a rifle without needing a license in the 1970’s and the same totalitarians that came up with the anti-marijuana laws are the ones coming up with C68 and related anti-freedom legislation. If you don’t like pot, don’t smoke it. Marc is on the pro-freedom side and doesn’t deserve to be shipped off to a communist country. Maybe we can make a deal with the US; shoot Khadr whenever you feel like it and Marc stays here.
Sorry kate !!!
Here is what i think …kinda in line with EBD although he sold seeds to an american who recieved them on american soil he himself was never on american soil…not to mention when he opened his buisness to “sell pot seeds ” and when he claimed his income was based on selling pot seeds to the feds they were more than happy to accept his tax dollars and his legitimatly given buisness licence to sells pot seeds on line or in person …he should there for be under our laws and our jouristiction to prosicute …however since the gubmint gave him a buisness licenece and acceptied his tax money MONEY they actually should be on trial here in all seriousness ..this guy is an idiot a dip shit a scum bag of the lowest kind just to make it clear ..but he is paying a price that is unfair …if you look it up and do your research his buisness is legitamit and legal as per the gubmint of canada …so far as i see it is our gubmint that should be doing the time see where the rub ly’s our gubmint is difrent than theres …to bad so sad ,,,i love america and there constitution but sorry man our gubmint has found a scape goat …to bad ..and yes i m against pot growing smoking distributing of any kind it is stupid and a waste of our police dollars …i smoked it and regret every single toke!! but fair is fair ..and this dip shit is canadas scape goat cause we are to afraid (politicians,lawyers,military,you name it ) to say sorry u.s. to bad our man our problem ..but eh ..if you wanna feed him and clean him and all of that for five years at your expence ..so be it …still canada did the wrong thing ..but we are all of us to scared of the u.s….too bad we did blow up there white house !! just so ya know ….yadda yadda yadda !! good night . I love america ……..but i love canada way more .
Paul in calgary .
i agree with loki as well and also i agree with loki to some degree …alot of people were told about the the pot/cannabis.vs. tobacco/cotton issues what ever it was how one villified the other to gain money power and so on i dissagree ithink people back then were smarter i think they realized that 20/per 100 of parionoid lazy lethargick pot smoking people was worse that 0/per 100 of non pot smoking people casue the lazy non pot smokers could be rescued and taught how to work for what you want as appose to the other baby birds in the nest waiting for mommy(gubmint) to feed them sorry fact is fact ..this idiot was just soo but i don’t think he should be sent abroad ..i say let them do to kadr what they must to justify the loss of there soldiers and to make up for our stupid laws on “pot seeds” and let er be!!!
Paul in calgary.
Maybe a few years in one of Comrade Obama’s Gulags will wise him up………nah.
Kate,
Reading your earlier post speculating on whether he was a “damp post” from birth I remembered I used to wander into his bookstore in London Ont when I was in University. He was always a outlier in his opinions but then he was a pretty smart and quick guy, quite present in the moment.
It is reasonable that bathing his brain constantly in THC has had its not unexpected effect.
Thank you EBD!
Nice to see how easy it is to get “unConservative” and unconcerned, depending on the issue and your level of ignorance.
So he figures he’ll serve his time in a Canadian prison.
Some people will do anything for Golf lessons and free horseback riding.
bud – nice self-righteous post, but laughably ignorant in its own right.
If Emery broke canuck law, then jail him. If he broke US law while in the US, then extradite him. He is being extradited for breaking US law while residing in canada.
Does that chill you a bit, bud, if you can get past your ad hominem against EBD? Putting it into simpler terms you might understand, do you download mp3s or movies off the net? Well, then, friend, YOU are flouting US copyright law. So should canada uphold US law and prosecute you in canada for your actions which flout american law? Or even extradite you so you can face US civil court proceedings? Do you notice a teensy weensy bit of imbalance here?
Next time, use your head before pressing “send”
mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm
What about Bin Laden?
Has he ever set foot in the US?
Duh!?!
“Vancouver man convicted for lottery scam”
Devout libertarians – how about some tears for Henry Anekwu?
http://tinyurl.com/2btnh8e
It is also illegal to mail pot seeds in Canada but we never went after the guy. Really to pay that type of political price for nothing does not make sense. Why not give him to the US? He isn’t going to spend 3 months with his mother on house arrest in the US.
“He is being extradited for breaking US law while residing in canada.”
Which is precisely what is allowed and has been for nearly 40 years as per the actual treaty:
http://www.oas.org/juridico/MLA/en/traites/en_traites_can-usa-ext1991.pdf
Article 3 clause 2 allows for the extradition of Canadians to the USA when they break American laws even if they are in Canada and even if the activity is legal in Canada. It’s at the discretion of the executive, ie Harper, but it’s the law.
It appears that Emery will serve in a Canadian Club Fed and could be out in as little as 10 months, which is roughly the same time Tommy Chong served in the USA for selling drug paraphrenalia, not incidentally. Emery has made millions, has more female groupies and fanboy admirers than you can shake a stick at, and knew when he sold marijuana seeds to Americans over the citizen he was risking arrest and deportation. He has by his own admission signed up “thousands” of NDP members and it’s not hard to imagine a paper trail from drug “entrepreneurs” like Emery to the same soft-on-crime politicians and parties who are now agitating for his freedom.
Just thinking, is that;
1) A rolling paper martyr
or
2) A hemp paper martyr
One way or another it isnt new, it 100% recycled from something.
That’s the thing about pot. It slowly but surely rots your brain out and you don’t even know it.
It all starts off with uncontrollable laughter and the munchies. Then, before you know it, the paranoia sets in and every little thing is seen through the fog of paranoia. Every time you see a cop, you just know that their out to get you. You spend a lot of time peeking out your window, wondering if they followed you back home and are setting up the SWAT team to come crashing in with their guns a blazing, all for that twenty bucks worth of weed you have stashed in your flower vase.
Like I said : “they don’t even know it”.
Kate, What I find odd is that at the same time we are practically criminalizing tobacco we are decriminalizing cannabis.
Blame Crash,
You must have been high when you wrote that. What a pile of rubbish.
5 years for selling seeds to a naturally growing weed to grown adults with no harm to anyone. Why the bitterness and ignorance Kate. Where is the diatribe towards alcohol? Caffeine? The request for prescription drug tests? You don’t make sense, you are clearly out of step.
Marc Emery is a Canadian hero. He turned himself in after doing everything he could peacefully to stop the politically motivated DEA “witch hunt”.
To me his extradition is an example of our lack of sovereignty and lack of democracy. The Southern emperor says “jump” and Harper says “how high”. That’s the reality.
Personally, I want cannabis studied. With the mountain of anecdotal and growing scientific evidence that the ingredients in cannabis are effective medicine for a number of ailments including shrinking cancer tumors. Study is the logical choice. The Cons are suppressing it and have cut funding for it’s study. I have used Rick Simpson’s “hemp oil” (Google “Run from the Cure”) and it works for migraines, sleep aid, and other conditions. Hundreds of people are claiming it cured their cancer. Imagine if you could throw away most of your pills and grow effective, SAFE medicine in your back yard. Just who is benefiting from cannabis prohibition? Certainly not the average Canadian.
This extradition has more to do with loss of liberty than cannabis. Marc Emery fought against other attacks on liberty such as book bans, censorship, and Sunday shopping bans. You can applaud this injustice if you want but at least acknowledge that you are applauding the loss of your very own liberty.
One day they may come for you because of your choice to have an abortion, your sexual orientation, or the color of your skin through mandatory minimum sentencing legislation. Persecution is alive and well in Canada and this is a very dark day in our history.
Good luck Marc and may your return home be quick. Thank you for your bravery.
Blame Crash;
“That’s the thing about pot. It slowly but surely rots your brain out and you don’t even know it.” “Then, before you know it, the paranoia sets in and every little thing is seen through the fog of paranoia.”
Sorry to hear that. How old were you when the symptoms first appeared and have doctors been able to give you any relief for the problem.
Mhb, bud (9:28) was actually agreeing with my point (and yours) that it’s a troubling precedent, in terms of sovereignty, to send a Canadian abroad to face punishment for a crime committed on Canadian soil.
Blame Crash;
“That’s the thing about pot. It slowly but surely rots your brain out and you don’t even know it.”
Bullshit.
Going to chime in here and concur with EBD and mhb. Certainly we can all agree this Emery fellow is more than a bit of an ass.
But, the legal shenanigans going on here are more than a little disturbing.
What Blame Crash says is unfortunately true. I have seen it happen to a cousin of mine and also a close friend. But I need to add both were serious pot abusers.
This is the same as alcohol. Most of us who drink, drink responsibly, without ill effects. And yet alcohol ruins lives all the time. So can pot.
“it’s not hard to imagine a paper trail from drug “entrepreneurs” like Emery to the same soft-on-crime politicians and parties who are now agitating for his freedom.”
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“soft on crime”????
Drug prohibition CREATES crime and makes society LESS safe. Look beneath the surface and the soundbite. It is obvious. The “justice” system needs crime, it’s a symbiotic relationship. Drug prohibition has nothing to do with public safety and more to do with criminalizing populations and pandering to the religious and uninformed for votes. As a control measure and in the US example it’s working like a charm with the poor and minorities overflowing prisons for non violent drug crimes. Check out LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) or see the positive results in Portugal after 9 years of drug decriminalization. AT least think about it and do some research. Do not fall into the “willfully ignorant” component of the Harper base.
“see the positive results in Portugal after 9 years of drug decriminalization.”
Portugal?
Isn’t Portugal circling the toilet bowel along with Greece, economically speaking?
Aren’t they somewhere on the lowest rungs of the EU productivity-wise?
Due to slow economic growth, Portugal has lost ground relative to the rest of the EU since 2002.-[1 year into pot legalization.-ed] Portugal’s 2008 per capita GDP stood at 76.0 purchasing power standards (PPS) as compared to the EU-27 average of 100 PPS, leaving the country in last place among its Western European counterparts after accounting for differences in prices (but ahead of EU’s newest members). Now among the weaker economies in the EU, Portugal has until 2013 to bring its budget deficit back below the mandated 3% euro-zone limit.
FROM:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3208.htm
I don’t think the Conservative party is aware of the significance of cannabis in BC. Marc Emery was a bit over the top when it came to decriminalize cannabis but someone had to do it.
The caricatures of cannabis users that some people have posted previously are as realistic as using a skid-road drunk as an example of a a typical alcohol user or Gamil Gharbi as being representative of firearms owners. In Vancouver people can be open about their cannabis use and when I first moved to the interior I was struck by the seeming lack of use of cannabis. I’ve since found this is because people are very secretive in this conservative area and I usually find out when I suggest trying nabilone for chronic pain and get comments like “don’t bother writing that prescription doc, I’ve been smoking weed for 10 years now for my arthritis pain”. A substantial minority of people here are frequent cannabis users, and if we add in all of the owners of unregistered firearms, there is probably majority of the population that are paper criminals.
Alcohol is far more dangerous drug than cannabis and cannabis prohibition makes as much sense as alcohol prohibition did in the 1930’s. The strongest proponents of criminalization of drugs are those who benefit from their illegality: the police/prison industry, organized crime and statists who see drugs laws as a means of passing ever more totalitarian legislation. If people were allowed to grow their own pot, the only people who would be making money in this scenario would be the fanatical botanists who specialize in producing ultra-potent cannabis strains. One of the little appreciated advances in botanical science is how, over the last 40 years, cannabis THC concentration has gone up to an amazing 30% in some strains and the stuff that people used to smoke in the 1960’s is now thrown out by the growers as there is no market for it.
Cannabis in Canada is now in a weird legal situation as there are more and more medical uses being found for THC. There is a very extensive endocannabinoid system in the brain and one of the most exciting potential uses for THC is as a mood stabilizer. 5% of the population has Bipolar2 and many have been self-treating with cannabis. In Vancouver I had numerous patients who would smoke a joint every evening so that they could get to sleep. I’ve seen a number of patients now who I’ve diagnosed as being Bipolar2 that seemed to be doing unusually well and then found out that they were daily cannabis users; almost always in the evening. A quick search of the medical literature turned up multiple papers in which the same observations were reported, but it is telling that even though Grinspoon first published on this topic in 1998, no-one has actually done a double blind clinical trial to determine how effective THC is as a mood stabilizer. The only thing I can say with absolute certainty is that such a study won’t be carried out in the US or Canada.
Nabilone is a semi-synthetic THC derivative and works extremely well in treating fibromyalgia and post-trauamatic stress disorder (PTSD). In PTSD nabilone eliminates peoples nightmares and this is a hard thing to do with non-cannabinoid drugs. People quickly realize that cannabis is a lot cheaper than nabilone which is $6 for a 1 mg capsule in BC. THC is an effective analgesic (and has been used in this manner for thousands of years) and doesn’t have the constipating side effects of opiates which can be particularly problematic in the elderly.
I think that PMSH just blew any chance he had of a majority government with the deportation of Marc Emery and the more repressive drug laws that have been proposed/passed.
Sorry bud, if EBD’s comment above applies; I missed the sarcasm in your post if that was the case.
Mea culpa
Mhb
GreenNeck;
Blame Crash isn’t incorrect in claiming negative effects from smoking pot. He is off base though in seeming to suggest that such consequences are widespread. As you say, the people you’ve seen it happen to have been serious abusers of the stuff. Negative consequences are going to land on anyone abusing any substance.
loki;
Bravo for your 12:58 pm post.
I think that PMSH just blew any chance he had of a majority government with the deportation of Marc Emery and the more repressive drug laws that have been proposed/passed.
~loki
Most people never even heard of Marc Emery.
Additionally, most people seem to forget that it was the Liberals who criminalized marijuana in Canada to begin with.
Last election, Marc Emery was getting an endorsement from Jack Layton.
I love seeing the NDP shaving off the Liberal votes.
I’m no admirer of Emery,but don’t think he should be extradited to the U.S.for such a minor crime. It’s ridiculous when you consider how long Canada fought the U.S. over the American citizen/mass murderer Charles Eng,eight years.
From another perspective,if Emery’s such a “scumbag”,what about the many Canadians who took advantage of the U.S. Prohibition laws,and shipped boatloads of booze into the U.S.?
Many rich and powerful Canadian families got their start supplying an illegal substance to the American Mafia,for illegal distribution to Americans.
There’s one prominent family,one of the wealthiest in Canada,who got their first big paydays bootlegging to the Americans,yet they schmooze with Prime Ministers.
Emery can serve a few years of “house arrest” like the Canadian justice system often gives serious offenders,and it would satisfy “justice”.
Strange how the Yanks won’t allow anyone to offend Islam, when Islam has murdered thousands of American citizens, but they’ll go snakeshit crazy over busting one low level marijuana seed salesman.
Loki, I’m not stridently anti-pot. (I do think the proposal to decriminalize is a recipe for disaster.)
However, I cannot enter a discussion of pot use absent the presence of two friends of long ago. These guys were best friends. They smoked pot the way some people smoke cigarettes – first thing in the morning, one with every beer, one at coffee break. It was painfully apparent that its use had left them intellectually compromised.
Oh, I should mentioned what they did for a living.
They monitored a gas plant.
Portugal?
Isn’t Portugal circling the toilet bowel along with Greece, economically speaking?
Aren’t they somewhere on the lowest rungs of the EU productivity-wise?
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Portugal’s debt problems and drug policy are separate issues. Again, do some research. On the flip side look at the US situation and the harm (selective) drug prohibition has cost that society and that has spread like a cancer throughout the world through their foreign policy. Look beneath the surface. Why have 13 US states decriminalized medicinal us of cannabis? Why is California, the most populace US state, on the verge of legalization. Are they all “potheads” who just want to get high? Not likely! Don’t deflect. Research!
Loki – you should pick up the book “Booze” by James H. Gray. Much of the received wisdom on prohibition (both the motivation and its success) in Canada is flat out historically wrong.
Sorry bud, if EBD’s comment above applies; I missed the sarcasm in your post if that was the case.
Mea culpa
Mhb
Sorry my sarcasm was so hard to identify. I think EBD should have his own blog.
Why have 13 US states decriminalized medicinal us of cannabis? Why is California, the most populace US state, on the verge of legalization. Are they all “potheads” who just want to get high?
~Tony_42
Would those 13 states be Blue states like California is?
Have you been following the dire economic straits that California is in?
Hey, I’m all for legalizing marijuana, after the welfare state is dismantled first.
As thought experiment, let’s see what happens when we decriminalize pot and allow the military to ‘dope up’ while on duty.
I’m sure that would get a few extra sparks flying unintentionally…
Alternately, I wouldn’t want my physician ‘higher than a kite’ while operating on me either…
You can add scenarios at your leisure.
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Much like Omar Kadhr and the Afghan detainee issue,Icould care less what happens to Emery and, I would speculate most other Canadians don’t either.
I don’t have an opinion on weather Emery should be deported or weather pot should be legalized,but what ever happened to flying under the radar? Were the police breaking down his door to arrest him while he was zoning out?I suppose being a marijuana martyr is as a noble profession as any.
Five years is pretty excessive. Isn’t that the sentence for murder here?
ChrisinMB says “Five years is pretty excessive. Isn’t that the sentence for murder here?”
No…..not excessive. But for sure, the sentence for murder is much too low.