30 Replies to “The #1 Rival To A Ron Paul Presidential Bid”

  2. That’s a truly extraordinary, seriously jaw-dropping poll. Even a year ago Ron Paul was widely considered to be a libertarian nutbar, or, at the very least, an extreme outlier. I mean, in 2004 the guy ran on a campaign of eliminating income tax.
    The fact that he’s neck-and-neck with Obama is kinda portentous for the Dems, not because it heralds a Ron Paul presidency or anything like that but because it suggests that just beneath the obvious surface, opposition to Obama is deadly-serious and has got a backbone the size of a whale.
    Incredible. This poll is one of those things that makes you check the calendar to make sure it’s not April 1st. Holy smokes.
    Pretty much renders into dust everything David Frum’s been saying, don’t you think?

  4. EBD is right. Americans are fed up and ready to kick some Marxist loving ass.
    For a real sense of the spirit of this revolt I highly reccomend checking out Bill Whittle at PJTV.

  5. EBD I hope you are right. However there is some risk in inferring too much from a poll between a person who got elected as president, and another who is basically unelectable as president.
    Perhaps more telling in the same poll is that 24% of voters now consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement.
    It’s all too early anyway. Obama is a bit of a snake, and he will turn on the charm and a more centrist image closer to election time, once he has finished inflicting as much damage to the country as he thinks he can get away with.

  7. Holy smokes is right. Ron Paul would give a whole new meaning to isolationism. Eliminating a progressive income tax in favour of a flat tax might not be such a bad idea.
    David Frum has become a mouth piece for the progressive side.

  8. What’s the difference between a Obamabot and a Paulnut? The Paulnut has more bumper stickers on his car.

  9. What’s the similarity between a libertarian and a conservative loyal to the Conservative Party of Canada?
    Nothing. Neither is actually represented in the House of Commons.

  12. I think too many people have been watching the tv news comentators and not listening to what Ron Paul is saying. His main message is less government and more freedom. In other words actually upholding the Constitution and not ignoring it.

  13. Until the U.S.A. tax system (we all know that approx. 50% of the American populace does not pay federal income tax) is altered, Obamas and their ilk, will always receive at least 40 to 50 percent of the vote no matter what. It’s an uneven playing field right now. Either that or only tax payers may vote, gotta pay to play. So Ron Paul’s flat tax idea gets a lot consideration, IMO. It is still not much of a choice.

  14. Have any one of you libtards spent any time reading anything Ron Paul has written or are you just media junkies and listen to the MSM?
    Get your snouts into one of his books and then get back to us.
    I stand among big government idiots.

  15. “I think too many people have been watching the tv news comentators and not listening to what Ron Paul is saying. ”
    Too true. Here’s Ron Paul on the issues, taken entirely out of context from his website:
    Ron Paul on national defense:
    “Instead of securing our borders, we’ve been planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression. Within a few short years, we turned Iraq into the world’s leading breeding ground for terrorists. Our military is spread thin all across the planet, yet we remain involved in dangerous power plays that unnecessarily put the lives of our soldiers at risk. And we brazenly squandered the wealth of our nation as if there were no tomorrow. It doesn’t make any sense unless you consider increasing the profits of the military-industrial complex to be in the “national interest”, no matter what the cost to the rest of us may be.”
    Ron Paul on civil liberties:
    “The “Patriot” Act, which was supposed to fight terrorism, allows the government to snoop on average citizens, obtain nationwide search warrants without local judicial oversight, monitor private Internet usage (that includes our emails and surfing habits), search our homes and offices without our knowledge, and force libraries and bookstores to turn over our reading records.”
    Ron Paul on abortion:
    “Ron Paul believes that the ninth and tenth amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government any authority to legalize or ban abortion.”
    Ron Paul on health care for the poor and severely ill:
    “Illegal aliens already receive de-facto free health care. Why can’t poor Americans have the same…not as a right, but as a charitable benefit provided by doctors who feel a personal responsibility for their fellow citizens? Under a liberated health care system prices would come down and additional options would become available, thereby making health care much more affordable. Moral corruption would give way to true compassion, and many doctors would remember their implicit obligation to provide free medical care to those in need, just like they did in the past. As a medical doctor…Ron Paul knows that life without health can be very difficult and is not what it was meant to be. He has personally cared for the poor for many years, without asking anything in return.”
    Ron Paul on cutting emissions and preserving the environment:
    “We should start by ending subsidies for oil companies. And we should never, ever go to war to protect our perceived oil interests. If oil were allowed to rise to its natural price, there would be tremendous market incentives to find alternate sources of energy.”
    Gee, I’m starting to like this guy!

  16. You betcha!
    Kevin @3:41 I’m glad you cleared that up. Please folks do not let the MSM form your opinions…think for yourself! (the concept of this blog btw)
    Great list Davenport.
    I think Palin is fantastic…for what she is accomplishing right now.She doesn’t have to wait ’til 2012. If she has Americans thinking about their constitution and liberty, and less government she is actually pointing them to Ron Paul.
    Tho I’m not sure the world would be ready for a such a strong nationalist.

  17. The only problem is the gigantic fraudulent vote machine that will help Obama win. Again.

  18. Ron Paul is past his tipping Point……
    We don’t need stupid extreme old folks replacing the stupid Man-child…. Obama & Ron Paul are both best suited as junior middle Management, or reasonable competent civil servants…..
    The Crazy Communists are floating Hillary for SCOUS…Dam it… she failed the Bar Exam & Hubbel took it for her in AR…How Low must we go!

  19. Phillip G. Shaw at April 14, 2010 5:14 PM
    “We don’t need stupid extreme old folks”
    So, by old, stupid and extreme I take it that you are qualified to make such accusations? Who are you, a CBC journalist…NBC…CBS…CNN…?
    Have you read any of Ron Paul’s works, or do you think that all doctors and economists types stupid? You had better lay down your credentials as to hold any weight around here, because by what you have written, you are definitely a opp-ed writer.

  21. Ron Paul is also one of the few politicians who would like to see the Federal Reserve abolished. Anyone who knows anything about financial markets knows that “Easy Al” Greenspan bears a major share of the blame for the dot.com, real estate, and other bubbles that happened under his watch. Former Fed chair (long ago) Arthur Burns once said it’s the Fed’s responsibility to “take away the punch bowl just when the party really gets going”. Greenspan didn’t take it away; he poured 140 proof grain alcohol into it repeatedly. Now we get to live with the hangover.
    The more you actually listen to Ron Paul, as opposed to the cranky and sneering (and, as usual, made without evidence) dismissals by the likes of PG Shaw and Tommy Friedman, you’ll find he’s sensible, down to earth, and more in line with what you want than the media would like you to believe.

  22. Well, I’m steeped in Austrian economics (have been for decades) and therefore agree 100% with Paul on the financial/fiscal/monetary front, including ending the Fed, ending fractional reserve banking, returning to the gold standard, and therefore ending the destructive business cycle, which is clearly not a natural component of the free market.
    But THEN, I read that he hates Lincoln for causing an un-necessary Civil War; that the Feds should simply have bought the slaves. Heh, just write a cheque. The figure, I believe, was $600 million. Simply not do-able fiscally, let alone from a practical standpoint.
    So you see, KevinB (who I suspect is a bit younger than Me No Dhimmi) you’re going along, nodding, and nodding to the sane monetary stuff, and then WHAM! “The Man’s a Raving Lunatic Nutter”.
    And really, the man has zero leadership qualities.
    It would, however, be absolutely amazing to see the US swing from commie to libertarian before going down the drain. Which is where it’s going.
    Finally, while I’m a austro-libertarian hobbyist myself, you have to laugh at the sheer naivety of proposing the abolition of the FED. Sure, you can not start one, but when you have one, you can’t go back. Same deal with sound money.

  24. I had to doublecheck the date on the poll also. I think that Paul/Palin or Palin/Paul in 2012 would be the way to go. What is more telling is how big the divide is between the people and the “political classes” where 58% of mainstream voters favor Ron Paul but 95% of the political class favors BO.
    What the republicans have to do, if they wish to remain relevant, is to totally reorganize as they have become just another tax and spend party. The last thing the US needs now is for a third political party to be formed as this would mean another democrat win although it’s not clear if there will still be a USA in 2012. I can’t think of any other republicans besides Paul and Palin who would attract the TEA party vote.

  25. MND:
    Why is getting rid of the Fed impossible? Andrew Jackson closed the Bank of the United States.
    The real problem is the West is hooked on credit. Fractional banking, fiat money, massive Ponzi schemes like Social Security – they are all ways to live beyond our means today, and let someone else worry about it tomorrow. And, as we learned from the 20th Century Motor Company, there are always more people who are willing to sponge off others than there are people who are willing to work for what they want, and who will forego the pleasures of the here and now for the luxury of being debt free. Sure, there are times Paul sounds like a hectoring grandfather; it’s what we need, just like Maggie Thatcher what was Britain needed – a no-nonsense school marm who wouldn’t take crap from everyone. I fear, however, Paul will be more a Cassandra than a Thatcher.

  26. Bingo, KevinB, on your Paul/Cassandra observation.
    Yes, I was aware that Jackson closed the Bank of the United States. He was a hard money hero. But that was long ago, what?
    I was startled to encounter, in several places, the comparison of the 1921 depression with the 1930s one. President Harding (I believe) managed to reduce government expenditures by a whopping 50%. In about a year and a half, unemployment dropped from from around 10% to 3-4% (?), and the economy was in full recovery.
    Clearly, across the west, a similar reduction in government spending is desperately needed. But can you see any reduction at all? I can’t. I feel the western welfare states are now too institutionally rigid and the citizenry too corrupted, to see ANY reduction in government. Recall, that the hated, hard, cold, cruel CUTTER Thatcher only managed to reduce the growth rate of government, not actually reduce government. Reagan too.

  27. While I find RP’s views on abortion, immigration, and foreign policy unfortunate, he is well worth having around just for the Austrian stuff. And I’m even sympathetic with some of his foreign policy stuff; America does have its fingers in too many pies. All this intervention vs non-intervention stuff will be pretty moot when America goes bankrupt anyway.

  28. [Quote]So, by old, stupid and extreme I take it that you are qualified to make such accusations? Who are you, a CBC journalist…NBC…CBS…CNN…?
    Have you read any of Ron Paul’s works, or do you think that all doctors and economists types stupid? You had better lay down your credentials as to hold any weight around here, because by what you have written, you are definitely a opp-ed writer. [/quote] Glacierman
    Nope NO OPP-ED writer…I use my real name and if you looked in a 90’s SMPTE (Society of motion picture & Television Engineers) US Membership list you would find me.(NYC). I have flown the BA Concord and pissed with some legends…What is your claim to fame?
    With Age comes a feeling of Wisdom, but it actually false…We oldies are time dated & stuck on Stupid…
    Ron Paul has baggage, he will scare away independents & the Blue Dogs, after the DNC is finished dicing his warts even republicans will flee…. The midterms need Youth & middle of the road AMERICANS to put the Country back on the tracks. You don’t find ACES in the discard pile..
    The 2012 candidate will come, just wait…

  29. “Youth & middle of the road AMERICANS to put the Country back on the tracks.”
    Spoken like a true liberal as the country spirals down the road of unemployment debit and bankruptcy. Businesses off-shoring themselves to low wage locations. You want a middle of the road do nothing guy that can make you feel good.

  30. Phillip G. Shaw at April 15, 2010 5:27 AM
    “The midterms need Youth & middle of the road AMERICANS to put the Country back on the tracks.”
    Spoken like a true educrat. It’s people like you filling the GOP that started this whole country down the crapper. So, would you say that you are a constitutionalist, or are you just making this stuff up as you go along.
    Congrats on your accomplishments in the business world, but what about your family life? Married, children, faith. Those are the real tests of a man(or woman…don’t want to be sexist here on Kate’s turf), the rest is just window dressing.

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