“So now I have a nice stick, and nobody died.” More from the Ann Coulter debacle.
Plus! An overhead view of ip address 99.255.163.5
“So now I have a nice stick, and nobody died.” More from the Ann Coulter debacle.
Plus! An overhead view of ip address 99.255.163.5
Free speech or “Coulter” pistols at dawn I say!
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
If a conservative doesn’t like a speaker, they don’t go to hear them. If a liberal doesn’t like a speaker, they make it so no one can go to hear them. Please give me more govenment, I can’t think for myself.
There are those (right wingers all) who contend that Ann Coulter is not a racist. In the past Coulter has thought that the idea of a massive annihilation of Mecca would be a good idea. To “nuke Mecca” as it were. If this is not out right promulgation of genocide I do not know what is. Racism at its ugliest. Furthermore, to respond to a question on how she believes Muslims should travel if banned from all airline travel as she supports, she stupidly replied “ride a camel”, again this is totally unfathomable; and to even think that there are those idiots that support such garbage. But I guess that is the maximum level to which she and her ilk are able to rise. She is a pathetic, hate filled, racist. Period.
Well done lefties! You’ve just shouted Coulter’s message for her much more loudly than she ever could have done herself. Bravo!
Silly me, I didn’t know that Muslims are a race! Thanks for clearing that up T.
I implore everybody here, PLEASE ignore the troll.
T – so what?
First, that’s your opinion. I consider her, not a racist, but a provocative enrager, someone who says provocative things to fling people out of their comfortable mode of thought and make them think, make them defend or at least think about their beliefs.
And even if she were a racist – so what?
You have absolutely no right to tell me, an adult, who I should listen to, or what I should read. That is for me, and me alone, to make that decision.
If I want to hear a racist – as, for example, Obama went to hear the Rev. Wright’s rants against whites and Americans for 20 years – then, that is my right.
Where security or the govt steps in, is only when actual specific violence is advocated. Speech? Nope. Neither you nor the govt have the right to oversee me and what I hear and what I read and what I say.
If the logic of this is beyond your capacity and you rely on the laws, then read Section 319 of the Canadian Criminal Code on Hate Speech. Not only is truth a defence, but, if the topic is one for public debate, then, this is no longer considered hate speech.
Your response to speech that you find offensive ought to be to reject it, ignore it, argue against it. But you have no right to force others into your opinion and close down the speech of others.
Sent to francois.houle@uottawa.ca
“Well done! You’ve managed to make a laughing stock of Canada by allowing children to disrupt and ultimately shut down a talk on free speech.
I served this country for years and am ashamed to think that the efforts to defend freedom put forth by myself and my predecessors are so readily disrespected.
The damage you and your ilk do to young minds is reprehensible. It takes years for them to reach the level of maturity needed to overcome the leftist drivel that is obviously promoted at your institution and to become free and enlightened Canadians. Rest assured I will closely scrutinize any resumes I receive quoting your school in their credentials.
People need open discourse and exposure to all sides of an issue in order to formulate their individuality. You should be ashamed of every dollar you receive from the taxpayers of this great country.”
The intolerant left, knowing that their ideas could never stand up to scrutiny, try and stifle any debate where real ideas (other than their own) may surface. This fear prompted the vice president of this minor league university (supported heavily by the federal government because of it’s “bilingual” status)to try and discredit what had not yet been said by Ms Coulter.
This is the same university that is so afraid of hate speech that last year they invited the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to speak and enlighten the students with his holocaust denials, his homophobic stance, his antisemetic views and his hatred of western democracies. This is also the same enlightened university that just last week held an Israel Apartheid conference.
This all goes to show just how ill-informed their students are on what hate speech really is. Yet, these are the same people who are trying to protect me from hearing other views based on the assumption that they know better than me what I should be exposed to. Seems that critical thinking is not a by-product of a university education any more.
T bag
It’s OK for a “Holy Koran” follower to call for the inhalation of all of Israel for no reason other than their religious beliefs are different but Ann Coulter is “a racist” for her off handed comments that I’m sure were not taken seriously.
While writing to the U of China, I mean Ottawa, to express my outrage at the behaviour of some of their students I noted that Allen Rock, yes they have his picture, the previous Chreteienite is the president of this fine public institution.
Thought that somewhat ironic?
Steve: Don’t be so pedantic. We all know that Muslims subscribe to the religion of Islam. Doesn’t change the fact that this woman is an intolerant, ignorant, bigoted anti-Muslim hate monger. And yes a racist.
The first comment seemed to sum it up pretty well:
Now this is progress. Turning Canada into a intolerant place in the name of tolerance.”
Well said, ET. I was tempted to reply to T myself but decided it would be a waste of time. After all, if refuting an opponent involves stating the obvious, refutation is probably futile. Still, I’m glad you made the effort.
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inhalation, annihilation, same thing where Liberals are involved.
The CBC comment board is enough to make one loose their breakfast.
These lefties are so dense that they do not recognize the hypocrisy in their comments, which they can post because of freedom of expression, Ann was called, by those who claim to abhor violence and hate speech: “a weeping pustule, a call for her to be stomped to death by a camel, to be given a good ole Canadian hockey punch to knock her all the way back home, she has anorexia of the brain, I would love to see her speak and then get arrested for the hateful ignorant person she is, a witch, a few years hence a raucous riotous crowd stoned ladies to death…the ladies were accused of being witches”
Ann did not say anything near as hateful as her opponents have. Most were personal attacks.
Another small victory for the proponents of Big Brother.
Well, at least we know where the future petty tyrants of the bureaucracies are going to come from, the U. of Ottawa.
What a certain troll chooses to ignore is the fact that if a certain female of the Muslim culture attempted to be in the same room with men, or to get an education, or to speak out publically in a Muslim nation she would have faced persecution, maiming in the least, her life possibly at the worst.
But the fact is that she freely chose to listen to Anne Coulter’s words, and then say “Ow, that hurts me. Stop her from doing that in Canada.”
That is not an example of racism.That’s victimhood.
Free to listen, or free to not listen.
Make up your own mind.
Whoops…lefties want the student union to make up our minds for us.
Pathetic.
T- that’s not an argument, to say that ‘If you are Muslim, THEN, you follow the religion of Islam’. The argument Steve made was about the content of Islam, its views of Other People, and Islamism, and the preaching of the imams. You refused to enter this argument. Do you support the Islamic teachings on infidels, jihadism and rejection of others?
Again, so what .. with regard to your opinion of Coulter. It’s your opinion; you haven’t substantiated it, you haven’t provided any evidence. It’s simply personal.
Therefore, what’s your point? You can’t convince anyone to agree with you because you haven’t made an argument (reasons, evidence) to justify…your opinion.
As for the actual event, it’s a violation of the basic foundation of a free society that the student council would refuse to allow posters announcing the Coulter speech and outlining registration details, but permitted posters to be put up asking protesters to come out to the event! That’s obvious bias.
As for the U of Ottawa’s permitting such events as Israel Apartheid Week – an event that by its title rejects debate and announces a conclusion beforehand, while the Provost, Houle, obviously a leftist, writes Coulter a provocative and insulting letter that suggests that she WILL speak ‘with hate’ – that’s the irrational hypocrisy of the left.
T:
think of it this way. “Hate speech” is like a drug, and you’re supporting prohibition. Historically, how well does prohibition work?
If her ideas are vile, let them be exposed to the light; they’ll die on the vine. By censoring her, you reveal enormous contempt for the citizenry and their ability to make a decision.
If anyone is looking to hire students out of university, save yourself some time and thrown the resumes from those who received their degrees from the University of Ottawa in the shredder.
And what would you expect from a University that has a complete moron like Alan Rock as its President?
By the way, Coulter is filing a Human Rights Complaint with the HRC against the U of Ottawa and its provost, Houle, for inciting a situation where she was viewed with ‘hatred and contempt’.
She might have a case but I can imagine the HRC will do everything to reject it, which of course, would show that they selectively pick their cases and do not stand for freedom from being viewed with ‘contempt or hate’.
However, Houle’s letter and the student council’s refusal to allow posters advertising the event while allowing posters asking for protesters – are key evidence.
Norman it isn’t prohibition its fascist control over opposing opinions.
Well at least now we know the top school for fascists is the U of O.
“By the way, Coulter is filing a Human Rights Complaint with the HRC against the U of Ottawa and its provost, Houle, for inciting a situation where she was viewed with ‘hatred and contempt’.”
She and Ezra had better hope to hell that the Muslim student Ann told to “ride a camel” doesn’t bring a case against them… because that is way tighter than telling a notorious venom-spewing bigot to try and avoid breaking our laws while in the country.
Looks like Ezra is going to get another chance to scream at a HRC bureaucrat on the YouTube again.
No-One
I was reading those comments from the lefties, it sounds like some of them would like Sharia law!
The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that the double standard we all know is there is never acknowledged by the Lefties.
They aren’t blind, they allow Human Rights (cough. overtly pro Muslim Rights) and yet they can even admit that they have no tolerance themselves. I think anger and rage over political correctness is going to be the death of me!
What other reaction would you expect from a Canadian institution of ‘higher learning’ like U/Zero? Ann Coulter is nothing more than a talking head from the American right, an entertainer. Her heavy weight counterparts are Al Franken, Michael Moore etc. These people are not serious thinkers. If you want to listen to their message or have them influence yours….go ahead.
What’s the upside? It’s all drivel.
I make sure I deprogram my kids on a regular basis and they are only 8 and 5 years old,it’s incredible the stuff they come home with,the brain washing begins at an early age.I must admit that it becomes tedious at times,trying to help keep their minds open and to realize there’s always two sides to a coin.Whenever I feel drained I just come here and scroll down to whatever excrement T has left behind,then it’s right back to work again.I wonder,do we blame academia for the Tees of the world or is it more to do with bad parenting?
I haven’t followed Ann Coulter’s career like a doting schoolboy, so I can’t say for sure that many of her provocative statements are meant to be ironic hyperbole.
I would have to imagine that most of them are offered in the spirit of most of the lesser mortals who appear frequently in the conservative blogosphere. That is to say, after a few decades of maddening political correctness and a world turned upside down, where religious men fly airplanes into buildings and civil libertarians march for the right of two women to marry and cold is advertised as heat, etc etc, there is a very strong urge to throw up one’s hands and say something to the effect of blow this whole thing away … take these hell demons back to their bottomless pit, and restore original tranquility or at least the Reagan-Thatcher years.
Any details beyond that exasperation are more or less window dressing. Most of us probably feel this way on a regular basis, confronted with the ceaseless babbling of the high priests of the new state religions which don’t even have gods any more, just goals.
I blame our educational system for not teaching irony, humour and wit. Anyone with a sense of humour would be hard-pressed to take offense from anything posted on a conservative forum, or spoken by a conservative icon, unless of course it was posted by a liberal, in which case, it’s just the intrusion of the sub-literate mind into the pantheon, and nothing to get too worked up about, since it tends to confirm our suspicions that the aliens have not evacuated our planet yet.
It’s too bad we live in such a miserably cold country, because if this had happened in the temperate zone, everyone who wanted to hear Levant and Coulter could have just wandered off to some public space and taken in their commentary under the stars.
Well, the furor has had an unexpected consequence in one case out of thirty two million — this Canuck will now probably follow with much more interest the career of Ann Coulter. I wonder how many others have had their interest stimulated rather than turned off? Sometimes it is better to let one’s adversaries speak in public, this is certainly the one redeeming feature of the House of Commons in this dismal era.
Islam is NOT a race, therefore comments about Muslims cannot be racist.
Please, don’t get suckered in by that false argument again.
“I wonder,do we blame academia for the Tees of the world or is it more to do with bad parenting?’
I often wonder the same but then I thought of a classmate of mine. He grew up in a home that spoke German. He couldn’t speak English until he started attending grade one. Once he mastered the English language he spoke it without any of the German traits found in most people for whom English is a second language after German. Again my mother was born in Wales and although her older brothers and sisters spoke with a bit of a Welsh accent my mother speaks with an Albertan accent.
In other words T is simply spewing what is common in the culture. It’s not based on any deep thought on his part because he simply picked it up along the way along with his native language.
Good for you skull.
I see the CBC has a poll that appears to be going horribly wrong.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/pointofview/2010/03/ann-coulter.html
Student Federation President ‘Shame Us’ Wolfe has certainly lived up to his moniker. Fitting that he heads the rabble at the U of Zero!
Holy crap! You can not make this stuff up! Check out the hammer and sickle background on U of O Students’ Federation president Seamus Wolfe’s twitter account.
And this gem! “thought for the day: racism is only bad if it doesn’t work in your favour”
What Ann said to the Muslim girl – who was there to provoke in the first place, does not hold a candle to Milne’s eyewitness account of the protesters shouting SODOMY, SODOMY, SODOMY that sounds like a serious threat of violence and towards a female to boot. Milne’s account of what he witnessed reminded me of the biblical story where the Angel visited Sodom and Gomorrah when the group of perverted residents arrived and demanded that the Angel be released to them so they could rape the Angel. Genesis 19:1-8
Anybody here in a position to get a list of U of O
alumni, especially the ones that donate on a regular basis?
It might prove interesting if they were made fully aware of just how those donations are being used.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
what does the overhead view of ip address 99.255.163.5
mean? i tried to follow the links but… can someone explain it to me.
also was happy i saw Ann in London. she was great.
rgraham4444
rgraham- Me too-on all counts!
“I was reading those comments from the lefties, it sounds like some of them would like Sharia law!”
Fine by me, it will be easy for me to assimilate, and perhaps my daughter will start listening to me.
Oh… and I guess I won’t have to shave anymore. Bonus!
I would say that shouting “sodomy”, while weird, was not what they were suggesting be done to coulter. More like they were shouting in support of gay sex, and doing so to offend the moral majority.
As for claiming the Muslim woman was there to provoke, what do you mean? She had every right to confront a woman who regularly says horrifically ugly things, and once again rose to occasion.
Again… imagine she’d said “Jews shouldn’t be allowed near banking”.
Same damn thing. She’s no better than your average member of Stormfront.
So, 141 Dundas St, the home of that IP has a McDonald’s, an unlikely place to find folks surfing the interweb, a private business school a possible source and……
Wait for it!
The Ontario Works Social Assistance administration offices.
A winner mayhaps?
It may help if the U of O added “The Birth of a Nation” to the political debate…
Paying special attention to President Wilson’s “Progressive Democrat” defination & family values…
Way to many similarities between UO attitudes and the KKK to be happenchance…
Of Course UO could just produce a Canadian, Lowest common denominator, version of the “Jerry Springer Show”
called “We take dumb to a new level”
The imbecility of the left fascinates me.
almost 2000 of then demonstrated violently, showed open hatred and chanted hatefull things directed at Ann Coulter (such as “sodomy”) and acted so violently that the police had to intervene,
and they think this will convince anyone that it was Ann Coulter who is the one encouraging hatred?
this is like clubbing 2000 baby seals to protest against a speech on the topic of clubbing baby seals in an effort to convince people you are against clubbing baby seals.
the imbecility of the left really fascinates me.
“I wonder, do we blame academia for the Tees of the world or is it more to do with bad parenting?’
Both.
We blame academia for their treasonous behaviour; and, we blame the parents for their utter disinterest in their children’s education. Also, we blame the parents for not protecting their children from this evasive rape of their education and minds. It’s our children who are the victims here! I’m protecting my kids, who’s protecting yours?
john – telling the Muslim student to ‘ride a camel’ was a joke; it would have been better for Coulter to debate the issue of Muslims on planes – but Coulter is a ‘shock jock’ and that’s how she talks. A lot of late nite entertainers are exactly similar – I’m sure you know what various ‘late nite jokers’ have said about Palin.
Muslims on planes IS an issue; after all, the only people seeking to blow up planes are Muslims, and they are quite public and open about this agenda. The Muslim community ought to be open about opposing such actions and rejecting this as a Muslim agenda. But instead, we primarily hear – nothing – and when Muslim voices are raised, it’s to object to our criticizing them.
Atlantic Jim: but what is the significance of the address?
is that where T is located? that would explain the insane comments from IT.
Furthermore, I just finished watching South Park with my two daughters (10 & 14) yesterday evening. It was the episode called “Cartoon Wars” where the FOX network was censoring “Family Guy” to prevent them from depicting Muhammad on their show. The gist of the episode is that American’s have decided to bury their heads in the sand. Say what you want about a parent that watches South Park with his kids, but this episode provoked a lengthy discussion about censorship, intimidation, free speech and of course the Denmark cartoon that the episode was based on.
Am..er..i..ca F’ya… Freedom is the only f’n way YEAH!
She said she did not have access to a flying carpet then riding a camel seems a reasonable alternative to me.
Long Live Ann!
Queen Ann?
GG-Rush Limbaugh.
Shoot, my link didn’t get through the filter earlier. This truly does expose the type of person Mr. righteous indignation Seamus Wolfe is:
http://twitter.com/seamwolfe/status/1294072013
“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war.”
You may say “hate speech” but I say “free speech”.
And no that isn’t a direct quote from John Paul II.