131 Replies to “Ontario Pit Bull Ban Deemed A Success”

  2. It seems to me there is a dead person involved in this altercation. Therefore, it seems to me that the charges should be commensurate with the fact that there was a) an altercation and b) death was the result. Those two facts are obvious.
    As for waiting for the trial, sure, no doubt we don’t know the details of whether the driver was guilty, but given the circumstances, the charges should fit the crime. Charging the driver with negligence or dangerous driving, it’s like charging a bank robber with shoplifting.
    Usually it’s the opposite, if you were caught drunk driving and absolutely nobody has been hurt, the police are sure to throw the book at you.
    One thing is for sure, that is the attitude of the driver/attorney-general, who has no problem judging people who own handguns and people who own dogs, judging them to be guilty before proven innocent.

  3. I have been riding a 10 speed Raleigh for > 30 years.
    I have had car drivers literally AIM for my handlebars for no earthly reason.
    I once set out to cycle between niagara-on-the-lake and ottawa. I had a loaded 357 in my back pack in the event some redneck crew decided to have some ‘fun’ on an isolated stretch of highway. I would have shot every one of them and buried the gun in a corn field.
    mr bryant is a public figure and therefore will get off with a slapped wrist.
    toronto drivers are the rudest Ive seen in the world.

  4. sf;
    All deaths that occur due to an altercation do not necessarily end up with charges being laid. Self defence is just one example. Surely you know that. Why would you say something like that when you know better.

  5. Here are the first two questions I’d have on the upcoming Toronto bicycle license test:
    1) True or false: It’s probably not a good idea to be riding your bicycle at 10 pm on one of Toronto’s busiest thoroughfares.
    2) True or false: It’s probably not a good idea to wrestle a car while riding said bicycle.

  8. From Wikip:
    “Bryant was also a strong proponent of a complete ban on handguns in Canada, at one point launching a website named ‘No Gun, No Funeral.'”
    Well, there’s no gun involved here, and yet somehow…

  9. http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/627070
    One construction worker told CTV news he heard the squeal of tires and saw the car racing the wrong way down the street past their construction site.
    Then he saw the cyclist hanging onto the car as it mounted the curb.
    “The guy hanging onto the car hit the mailbox, hit the road, (then) . . . the car ran over him with the back tires,” he said. “The guy bounced and the car sped off . . . the person was there just bleeding,” he said.
    [end of quote]
    There seems to be no speculation about Bryant’s being charged with a hit-and-run. He, apparently, didn’t stop, but sped to the Park Hyatt Hotel at the corner of Avenue Road and Bloor, where he called the police.
    Both parties to this tragedy seemed to be enraged but as the saying goes, “It doesn’t matter if the stone hits the pitcher or the pitcher hits the stone, it’s always going to be bad for the pitcher.”
    A human pitched against a speeding car driven by an incensed driver is a recipe for disaster.

  10. “”Several charges have been discussed and several directions of the investigation have been considered, but nothing definitive has been done.”
    Translation…we Lieberal asskissers are working on ways to delay/obfuscate this until it goes away,and we can save another one of our illustrious scum from his just reward. We are entitled,after all.

  11. batb,
    I thought I read somewhere that there was a female passenger in the car and “a passenger called police”? Could be wrong….

  13. Mississauga Matt: You are contradicting yourself. Avenue Road is busy, but not at 10pm (the business district empties out at night), so that is exactly the right time to ride it. Secondly, it’s a heck of a lot safer to bike on Avenue than roads like Yonge and Church. I would defer to the courier’s expertise regarding the best places to ride a bike.
    bobc: this is clearly not a case of self defense.
    Everybody in the big cities ends up getting angry ont he roads, especially the cyclists, who have a much harder time (anyone who both drives on the roads and rides bikes on the same roads would know). Even crossing a street on foot in downtown Toronto can get hairy, because the motorists are agressive, very aggressive. If you cycle on city roads long enough, you will eventually get hit. HOwever, most of the time you get hit, the driver is not actively trying to run you over, and you will survive with bumps and bruises.
    In this case, the driver was driving down the wrong lane of Avenue Road, and even onto the curb. It doesn’t take the Attorney General to know the danger involved.
    g: yes, charges can be upgraded, well, and it will be interesting to see if this does happen or not, because I don’t know what they are waiting for, but maybe they like to take their time.

  14. I heard and met the man during the pit bull ban “consultations”. Any time anyone (80% of the speakers) said anything about how illogical and useless the ban would be, he would lose it and start gesticulating and shouting. A little unstable even then IMO. Then he gets bumped from a plum job to a miserable one then out of cabinet. Hmmm.
    I bet money the cyclist was hanging on for dear life so as not to slip under the car as it was speeding away.
    To paraphrase, “If you own a car you know you own a lethal weapon. So comply with the ban or we’ll kill your dog, I mean car.

  15. bob c:
    That a guy would be hanging onto a car and trying to wrestle it to a stop might be a clue.
    Um, yes, we often see 200 lb humans trying to “wrestle” 3500 lb cars into submission.
    Missing in action Matt:
    1) True or false: It’s probably not a good idea to be riding your bicycle at 10 pm on one of Toronto’s busiest thoroughfares.
    2) True or false: It’s probably not a good idea to wrestle a car while riding said bicycle.
    What freakin’ part of Toronto do you live in? Bloor Street at 10 pm is nowhere near the busy street it is at say, 5:30 pm. Plus there is plenty of room for both cars and bikes.
    And for 2) – see my response to bob c. Cyclists NEVER try to “wrestle” cars – we hang on for dear life until people like Bryant try to rub us off.

  16. Meth-heads aren’t bike couriers.
    Looking at the photo’s and description of “west bound on Bloor”.
    It appears Mr Ban-street-racing drove into on coming traffic to sandwich the biker between a mailbox/tree and his moving car which forced him under the wheels.
    If that’s right.
    That’s “f”‘n nuts.

  17. I’m not missing in action, I’m right here.
    The traffic on Bloor at night depends on what’s going on in the area, and in truth it was the *night time* part that was my main point – did the guy have a light and all the stuff you should have after dark, or was he in all-black hipster cool?
    And as you well know there’s been construction along Bloor for months now, jamming traffic and forcing lane changes that normally aren’t required.

  18. By the way, I step out for lunch today and the first 2 cyclists I see on Bloor? On the sidewalk.

  19. Actually, if some crazed person latched onto the side of my car and would not let go, scraping them off on a telephone pole sounds like a reasonable course of action. Or would you rather step out of your car to be possibly pounded on by a possibly drugged up, possibly armed, possibly psychotic individual?
    Would you stop and try to reason with them? Seriously folks, your heads do not belong up there.

  21. Mr Lafayette:
    Actually, if some crazed person latched onto the side of my car and would not let go, scraping them off on a telephone pole sounds like a reasonable course of action. Or would you rather step out of your car to be possibly pounded on by a possibly drugged up, possibly armed, possibly psychotic individual?
    Er, stopping your car, waiting for said possibly deranged individual to disengage from your auto, and then driving away is not an option that would occur to you?

  22. Kevin Lafayette, see my comment re: Maglites at 1:52pm. Only cowards use the car on the guy.
    EBD makes a good point about gun control. There’s an interesting phenomenon with driving in Toronto vs. driving in the USA. In Toronto, guys get out of the car and have shoving matches -all-the-time. In the states, guys don’t get out of the car.
    Reason? They don’t want to get shot.

  23. *
    let’s ask the cbc, huh?
    Witnesses said Bryant crossed lanes of traffic to the south side of Bloor Street, still heading west.
    Sgt. Tim Burrows could not explain why Bryant allegedly drove up onto the curb. “I don’t want to try
    to say why he did that, only he knows exactly why, but he was travelling westbound in the
    eastbound lanes,” he said.
    The witnesses said it appeared as though Bryant was attempting to knock Sheppard off the car by
    brushing against trees and mailboxes on Bloor Street approaching Avenue Road. Burrows said
    Sheppard was “essentially a pedestrian,” having left his bicycle.
    Police said Sheppard sustained severe injuries after striking a mailbox and a tree while still hanging
    on to the car.
    if the mother corp. is throwing bryant under the bus… it’s gotta be bad.
    *

  24. this just in, bryant busted for criminal negligence:
    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090901/national/toronto_cyclist_killed
    definitely time to get the silken wrist sized cat-o-nine-tail out.
    think not? some bloke in this part of the province got busted with .25 blood alcohol and killing 4 senior citizens.
    guess what his sentence was. go on, guess. I’m not going to tell you, you have to guess and then look it up. hint: google ‘pie ladies’. it’s right on top of the list.
    welcome to steve-o harpoon’s Canuckistan where driving offenses causing death result in those ubiquitous ‘short sharp’ sentences.

  26. the absolute cut-to-the-chase bottom line on this?
    past behaviour and this incident tells me bryant is a 2 bit petulant spoiled brat mama’s boy HOTHEAD.
    ‘an accident waiting to happen’. well we can all stop waiting now !!

  28. I wonder if the cops did a BAC on him. If the MSM doesn’t want to know, the police probably won’t offer it either.

  30. I’d have done the same if some Yahoo was hanging onto my car. Whose to say the driver wouldn’t be the dead one had he stopped the car?

  32. Bryant left the Liberal government and was hired by Toronto Mayor David Miller as CEO of something called Investment Toronto.
    CTV is also saying they received a complaint and attended to the cyclist’s residence just a few hours prior to the incident.
    So the police are being extremely careful in order to avoid political concerns.
    That said, there are plenty of witnesses including the ‘unidentified’ female passenger of Bryant’s Saab.
    Lots more to this story to come I’m sure.

  33. I heard there are several videos of the incident. It’s just a matter of time until they turn up if they exist.

  34. Gord G,
    Just saw some security video (on the news) and it ‘appears’ there was a person sitting in the passenger seat…not 100% sure as it was dark… might have been seat colour & shadows…but it seems so….
    Also, the commentary said the courier has been released, earlier by police, after a “drunken altercation” in the vicinity.
    In the street venacular…’it’s getting more interestinger and interestinger’…news @ 11./

  35. Cyclists hate pedestrians hate motorists hate pedestrians hate cyclists hate motorists etc.
    And cyclist, pedestrian, or motorist; I generally hate the other two no whichever my state at the time.
    The real underlying problem is that few people signal their intentions to others, and more and more people violate traffic controls (ie lights).
    I’ve seen many pedestrians (mostly 20-somethings) with DON’T WALK signs step out in front of vehicles barreling towards them that have the GREEN LIGHT. (Same with cyclists.)
    I’m just glad that I wasn’t the motorist in this situation. We don’t really know what happened, not yet, and we’ll never really know what the emotions of the event were.
    Lesson of the day, signal your intentions to others, and let cooler heads prevail.

  36. I guess that’s 2 we can rack up to Dolton’s fantasy legislating. There have been no nuclear attacks since he authorized Ontario’s nuke free zones as well – the boy’s on a roll.

  37. *
    Hang on a minute… Michael Bryant has still killed more people
    than Bruce Montague… well, one more anyway… and
    Bryant got bailed out the very next day.
    — “After being in prison, without bail, for 11 days, Bruce was
    freed on Sept. 21 and will be back in court on Nov. 15 to
    set a preliminary trial date.”     —
    *

  38. Let us see now,
    1. Politician
    2. Liberal
    3. Went to Harvard
    Will be told naughty, naughty, don’t do it no more.
    Walks.
    Plebeians don’t count.

  39. I see it’s now being reported that the whole thing got started waaaaay over at Church Street (right in front of the Scotiabank) where, ta da!, westbound traffic merges into a single lane because of Toronto’s never ending refurbishment of the sidewalks along that stretch of Bloor. Combine that with lots of cyclists that come over the Prince Edward Viaduct from the Danforth or up Sherbourne or Jarvis and you have a great place for car/bike altercations.

  42. lets see.
    some yoyo has grabbed onto your car.
    1.do you stop, step out and punch out his lights.
    2.drag him across several lanes of traffic and clean him off the car and then involking the Ted Kennedy method, drive off , leave the scene of the “accident” and not report it.
    only such a person could be redeemed enough to be the “next premier of Ontario” like Teddy Kennedy the fat perogy imitator was redeemed to become the permanant senator of Massachucetts. perogies are slimey , greasy and swollen white blobs of dough with minimal filling.

  43. I guess he can’t claim ignorance of the law now can he.
    Knowing the Liberals they will say he thought he hit a deer or some other such nonsense and the MSM will lap it up as the truth.

  44. And just when I was going to switch over to the Liberal Party! Now that is disheartening!
    Question. The guy kills a cyclist in a violent manner using a vehicle for a weapon. Why was he released in public? Is that not a dangerous offender?? Vote Liberal and get away with murder!

  45. “criminal negligence causing death and dangerous driving causing death”
    Both of those charges are mega heavy duty….
    I recall an American succeeding in avoiding extradition on these charges because they were deemed insignifigant by the Exhited states when in reality in the USA the charges would be MOTOR MANSLAUGHTER….just different language….
    There remains the legal term negligence—inferring a lapse rather than an overt act—-this appears overt….
    That said the report of the cyclist involved in an earlier “drunken altercation” in the vicinity and the report of the backpack on the hood….inspires me to a more reasoned approach than that of OBOZO re the “Gates affair”….NOT ENOUGH DETAIL/INFORMATION TO FORM AN OPINION—-the constabulary are likely proceeding gently with all the unresolved questions for the very same reasons….
    BTW—-self defence is out because Bryant is of the constituency that holds that “self defence is a criminal offence” or “taking the law into your own hands.”

  46. This is appropriate for a Simpsons quote:
    Lisa: “Dad if you’re the police, then who will police the police!”
    Homer: “I dunno.”
    Poor Mr. Sheppard, probably a better man than any Liberal puke you can imagine.

  47. Drag a live human being with your car for a city block trying to knock them against stationary objects like a “battering ram” (as per eyewitness report)
    SEE BELOW THE CHARGE BRYANT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH FROM CANADIAN CRIMINAL CODE:
    Murder, Manslaughter and Infanticide
    Murder
    229. Culpable homicide is murder
    (a) where the person who causes the death of a human being
    (i) means to cause his death, or
    (ii) means to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and is reckless whether death ensues or not;
    (b) where a person, meaning to cause death to a human being or meaning to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and being reckless whether death ensues or not, by accident or mistake causes death to another human being, notwithstanding that he does not mean to cause death or bodily harm to that human being; or
    (c) where a person, for an unlawful object, does anything that he knows or ought to know is likely to cause death, and thereby causes death to a human being, notwithstanding that he desires to effect his object without causing death or bodily harm to any human being.
    R.S., c. C-34, s. 212.

  48. Tim Burrows contorting himself to try and please the powers that be, slipped and did squeak out this bit of truth, by the time Bryant was dragging Allan Shepherd, Shepherd was a “pedestrian”. Get it?
    Had Bryant clipped Shepherd while Shepherd was ON his bike – and Shepherd died – maybe just maybe THAT would have been “criminal negiligence” but…dragging the poor guy some 400 metres (google earth it people)…thats NO ACCIDENT, no “negligence” no slip up…Bryant did not stop…he accelerated….

  49. Is the Post Office going to go after him for using Mail property and subsequently damaging/destroying it?

  50. “lets see.
    some yoyo has grabbed onto your car.
    1.do you stop, step out and punch out his lights.
    2.drag him across several lanes of traffic and clean him off the car and then involking the Ted Kennedy method, drive off , leave the scene of the “accident” and not report it.”
    If he’s a meth head I’m sure as hell not getting out of my car! Bet your ass I’m gonna try to drive away, and forcefully if necessary, and if he tries to reach in and grab something (like me) then all bets are off.

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