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We warned the ladies of Chicago they had three weeks of summer left and that was in late June and we had previously suggested a cooler and wetter bias to summer in our February 2009 outlook for the growing season. Now that the coolness is here we can breathe again. It is not easy living on the edge of a cliff or far out on a limb by oneself in the weather business.
Now that we all know that luck has come our way, let us explain why the cold will not go away for any great length of time in the next few weeks.
Drew Lerner is one of the most respected weather forecasters in agricultural circles;
For a year like this those, frost and freeze events may show themselves earlier than usual. Already in the past ten days there have been bouts of soft frost in Canada’s prairie. No crop damage has come from it, but they occurred in the heart of summer during one of the usually warmest weeks of the year. What will happen later in August when hemispheric cooling begins and the same bias for cooler than usual conditions exists? It just might get cold enough to cause some problems for crops.
One that BryanR would know about:
Bruce Power has shut down a reactor at the request of the Independent Electricity Market Operator due to a surplus of baseload generation in Ontario as the province experiences both a cooler than normal summer and the fallout of a manufacturing industry hard hit by the recession… summer temperatures throughout the province have been as much as 7C cooler than normal this month…
Owen Sound Times
Wonder how much carbon The Goreacle has produced to heat his pool this lovely cool summer ?
Off lining reactors sounds like green heaven has arrived, no need to burn coal either to run all those air conditioners usually used to keep seniors alive through the summer heat waves. Why no celebrations? Aren’t the environuts ready to take credit for this? Now they can relax and spend their time composting all the precious material made available to them courtesy of Toronto’s garbage strike.
200 years ago an astronomer made a corrolation chart between the sun’s spots and wheat prices. When the sun was cooler (Less or no active spots), the weather was cooler overall which made agricultural foods go up in price.
The sun is now almost 2 years without any spots. It had peaked in sun spot activity at the end of the last century and has been steadily reducing to the current zero.
Get ready for many years of lower temperatures.
Here in south western Ontario, I have been watching the weather station and every forecast they’ve been making has most always resulted in colder than predicted.
The sky is filled with so much cumulus clouds that they seem to have given up on predicting rain or no rain. The forecasts are very iffy this year.
I think they need to shut off Al Gore’s computer model.
Also this is the second summer in a row the ‘experts’ have been predicting “scorching hot summers”…Goretards!
This isn’t making the warmists miss a beat. I was reading some comments about AGW on an automotive site and one gore disciple dismissed this season with “science has accounted for this…”
Mother Gaea (sp?) is merely toying with us for our wickedness.
BTW, I’m shopping cars and might go for the Chrysler Hemi – look out, you craven hybrid owners!
Do you think that the torches and pitchforks will be out looking for Fruit Fly and the Goreacle later this year when the first major frost-related North American crop failure of the post-Gorebull warming age occurs?
Somebody should correlate the Farmers Almanac with the computer models.
Put me down for a tenner on the Farmers
I wore a jacket til July 10. As far as I’m concerned this summer is 3-4 weeks max of what I would call ‘traditional summer weather’.
Now,now people. This is a one time thing and these singular events prove nothing…unless its Hurricane Katrina in which a singular event was the harbinger of the ice caps melting, the oceans rising, the Polar Bears drowning. So I guess it depends on the singular event
Never think of scientific research and especially climatology as being science. The early strugglers like Mendel, Pasteur etc tried to get it right but now it is all grant driven polito-quackery.
No, no, no. A cool summer is weather. A short bout of freezing rain in February is climate change.
Have you forgotten already?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hfOV8wzrr_6f3Ae3kLj0215kfD5A
Warmists next position will be that the weather would have been cooler without CO2…this starts to approach an arguable position. However, they will be forced to admit there is no lockstep between temp and CO2 and that there are cycles that wash it out. they will be forced to quantify cycles and dial down sensititvity.
That being said it is warmer in some places, following normal cycles El Nino is returning, as warmer water is blown across the pacific. We will see how long that lasts and what happens when it disapears and or goes back to a La Nina.
Also wait for the first Hurricane to happen, if it is like Andrew….it could be big. There is no end of excuses and things they can point to rather than do the science.
I still can’t fathom how a bright,yellow orb 93 million miles away can affect our weather! Oh,BTW,where have John Cross etal been lately?
Kamloops is 36 degrees as I write this.
Not exactly freezing.
Watch out for the full moon in early august. A cold clear night around then could cost billions.
the weather is so screwed up , solar eclipses are now occuring at night. and the longest of the century. Id swear that would have to occur somewhere around noon. CTV astrophysics ? like their politics , backwards.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090721/eclipse_wednesday_090721/20090721?hub=TopStories
Greeneck; I’ve been to Kamloops in the summer and 36 degrees is NORMAL!If it was 46 degrees then I would take global warming seriously.Right after they shut down the airlines, pro sports and music concerts.
Goremergency: Filed under environment.
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“Drizzle causes emergency in desert city
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
SANTIAGO, Chile (AP) — In one of the driest regions on earth, even a drizzle can cause an emergency.
Less than 100th of an inch (about 0.2 millimeters) of rain fell on the Chilean port city of Iquique Monday afternoon, accompanied by moderate winds of about 10 mph (17 kph), according to the country’s weather service. That was enough to knock out power to several neighborhoods and to damage the roofs of 4,000 precarious dwellings, Gov. Miguel Silva said Tuesday.
Schools were closed Tuesday so that officials can repair the damage. There were no reports anyone was injured.
The city of 170,000 people in northern Chile is in the heart of the barren Atacama Desert, squeezed between the Andes and the Pacific Ocean. It averages about 0.02 inch (0.6 millimeter) of rain a year, according to University of Chile meteorologists.
“Roofs in this region are to protect people from the sun, not from rain,” Silva said.”
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Environment/2009/07/21/10212021-ap.html
Watch out for the full moon in early august. A cold clear night around then could cost billions.
Posted by: Gord Tulk at July 21, 2009 7:43 PM
I fear what you have written may very well come to pass.
Why aren’t the commodity markets reflecting the crappy weather right across Canada(and a good part of North America for that matter) with higher future market prices? Everything has been slowly and steadily sliding downward.
I say take out Gore and see if his fatty rolls fry on the sidewalk. If it does, we have an issue. If it doesn’t, just throw him in the compost pile where he can truly be useful.
Spike: That was my point, that things are fairly normal. That some parts of Canada have a cool summer is nothing new. We’ve had so many hot summers in the 90s and early 00s that now people complain when it is ‘only’ 23 degrees in Toronto. This is perfectly fine summer weather to this guy. No need for A/C. This is Canada for crying out loud, if you like it warmer move to Texas!
At one point in my past, I held science in high esteem. No more. Science is now politically motivated. Whoever pays for the research grants calls the shots and the results. Pitiful really. As most of you know through my previous posts, I am a creationist/intelligent design convert. I simply can not accept a science based on nothing but pure chance. Evolution, is simply an explanation of chance meeting chance meeting chance ad nausea um. It is a theory built entirely from layered chances which mathematically is virtually impossible. Nothing scientific about it. It ignores mathematics, which accurately calculated the probability of evolutionist claim which was deemed to be astronomically impossible. I am thankful that scientists are increasingly moving to an intelligent design model. Molecular biology has been instrumental in this movement. We are now moving to ards technology which could take bone fragments from supposed examples of evolutionary man and prove the theories to be genetically impossible. I am absolutely certain we did not evolve from apes judging from the latest findings-not publicized in the mainstream media. Why this has tooken us and the scientific community so long to figure out is perplexing. Even a child realizes that evolution is a ridiculous theory – how were we so manipulated into believing something so ridiculous? I, for one, am thankful that serious research is being conducted to disprove this long held false theory. I am excited at the possibilities in the field of medicine these new revalations will bring us.
I believe in global warming..I had a new furnace installed to-day. Got one with a DC brushless motor to keep electrical costs down when it runs a lot.
Speedy,
If your are from Canada you can get a grant for that. Nice tax deduction.
john @ 5:54 PM “Never think of scientific research…as being science…it is all grant driven polito-quackery.”
Sigh. Tarring with a broad brush, are we?
Do any of you silly people realize the just how different (i.e., nasty, brutish and short) life would be without the scientific contributions of the last two centuries, with their consequent engineering and medical developments? To say nothing of the vast expansion in leisure pursuits, pure comfort, toys and comestibles? Or do you all think you would have been part of the privileged elite? Oh, and don’t claim that “science” was more pure in the past. Scientific enterprise advances primarily due to the contributions of a very small minority of people. Unfortunately for funding efficacy, we generally don’t know who such people are in advance. (A certain “patent clerk”, for example, strongly produced for a short period, and then was a waste of money.)
This shortsighted, idealistic attitude explains the mess in which we presently find ourselves. My chief complaint with many simplistic conservatives (so-cons and libertarians, alike)? Their “I deserve it” mentality, no different from the rest of the herd, whose demand is for perfection in everyone else. (Hello, No-One!)
You want to impose “business efficiencies” on the scientific enterprise? And how are these “efficiencies” working for you right now? Rather “stimulating”, aren’t they? You may get your wish.
Right now, humanly speaking, our only chance is that the pace of technological advance continues to outrun the gluttony of our consumerist lifestyle. But, should the demagogic demand be for societal suicide, so be it. If I’ve got no grants, no “cushy academic position” (last vacation – 4 years ago), I can still scribble in the sand, grow potatoes and make beer.
Just let me keep a couple of good books (Gradshteyn and Ryzhik, Courant and Hilbert…oh, definitely the Bible – I’ll be reading a lot of Ecclesiastes) and a stick (hmm, better make that a big one).
Mewling twits.
Tenebris, I’m not sure if you’re a regular around here, so I’m going to cut you a little bit of slack.
While you might have a legitimate point to make against john’s sweeping generalization, you commit the same sin yourself, and then some. You broadly generalize about the posters in this thread. For good measure, you argue against positions that weren’t even made (commonly known as the straw man fallacy). For example, who argued for applying business efficiencies to scientific pursuits? Maybe it’s there, and I missed it. But I looked through a few times.
Look, most of the folks around here, and conservatives in general I’d suggest, realize all to well how “short and brutish” life would be without the scientific advancements of the last couple of centuries. What we don’t do is equate the current global warming hype with legitimate scientific pursuit. With the talk of “consensus” and the “science being settled”, reasonable-minded people rightly bristle. Indeed, if the “warmers” get their way, human progress will halt, and possibly reverse. If they get their way.
IMHO.
Colin – your pardon, but my response is caught in Kate’s filter.
To simplify, since you have been posting for a while and presumably reading the comments, pretend ET is annoyed with you and invent a response.
That should work.
I would agree this current “consensus”/”science is settled” mentality is not productive.
Nazi Germany makes an excellant case study. While it appeared that Germany produced much advanced hardware—it was simply not sustainable.
In the 30’s pure research was neglected/discouraged and engineering was promoted. This emphasis produced much but without pure research…it ran out of material to develope—-engineering merely applied the results of research…
The Allies—especially western allies plowed much capital into research as well as engineering….the Manhatten Project was not an isolated example….
The famous cancelled Avro Arrow programe had it’s roots during the war years….this was a project that the Nazi’s dreamt of but could not accomplish.
This current trend of “directed research” is not research at all but engineering developement of concepts already discovered by the basic researchers….a very real dead end.
Colin from Mission B.C.:
You make a good point. The World is full of false Prophets, opportunists & control freaks with a mission.
Science is important but its not a substitute for God. Which some have done. That is now coming back as hysterical nonsense or out right scams because its practitioners have a broken system by people raised with no ethics. Its happening in every profession. Scientific pursuits are looked on different as they impact us all. So we need the truth.
Its always been that way except Science today has become so humanistic , it has lost any moral or Ethical structure. Its standards have degraded immensely. Moral relativism has its own uncontrollable consequences. It produces Angles of Death as we have observed historically.
Science is a great Tool to understand life & to make our lives more comfortable with security. But its only that. A creature of our own making.
Subject to the verities of human nature as all else that is a creature of man.
JMO
Listening to the CBC this evening to the program ‘Ideas’. Their guest? Lawrence Solomon. Pigs do fly.Quite interesting, some of the hi-lites included how Lansing was used and abused by the IPCC with regards to his research on hurricanes. Also how the Danes were ignored and dismissed on their now accepted theory on the sun being the major driver of climate. I could not believe I was listening to the CBC. I really liked the segment on India telling the West to pound sand with regards to limiting their CO2 footprint. Hillary should not have wasted her time.
Cool summers are Gaia’s way of telling you you’re wrong.
ARTIST: Spirit
It’s nature’s way of telling you something’s wrong
It’s nature’s way of telling you in a song
It’s nature’s way of telling you, soon we’ll freeze
It’s nature’s way of telling you, dying trees
It’s nature’s way, it’s nature’s way
Well no , actually it seems to be the gullible herd’s way of reacting to nature. In the 70’s the panic was over man made ice ages, fossil fuel supply depletion, killer ozone holes and population explosions exhausting food supply.
Massive media hysteria, fueled by the manipulative junk science of the day, whipped the gullible herd into a frenzied wealth-shedding stampede to buy absolution from the impending eco-cataclysm by purchasing “new stuff” that was ozone and earth friendly.
But none of the pop cataclysms of the era came to pass, not even close. Panic science has ever been right yet. But the marketers who sold materialistic absolution in this panic made out like bandits. Recall the government rebates to upgrade or buy new cooling appliances and high MPG cars? Is McGuinty’s $10K subsidy to buy a electric GM clunker deja vu?
Folks, let’s just admit that real environmental science was hijacked by corporate greed-heads and whoring politicians decades ago.
I see the latest trend is, under climate hysteria impulse, to BS people into thinking fully renewable abundant resources like water are depleting and cashing in on the phony supply shortage panic. Climate hysteria is running some big cons.
I believe in science. The IPCC is to science as The View is to journalism. The study was a political farce that was sold as science with no explanation of why the facts (CO2 relationship to tree ring growth) were treated as outliers with no explanation. Al Gore ain’t no scientist.
Yes, Bruce, I tuned into Ideas on an inning-break of the Jays game. Never got back to the game. The Solomon interview was an astonishing event, given that it came on the back of Grim Dyer’s climate special. I’d say Paul Kennedy and a few other CBCers must have been gritting teeth throughout. Solomon was remarkable. Asked when he felt the jig might be up for the climate wailers, he said he thought it already was with the reaction from the third world, particularly third world environmental groups who are horrified at the demand for carbon sinks.
Farmers can receive a free two week trial to Drew’s weather reports or you can keep listening to the rest of the world and global warming.
Drew is one of the few forecasters that can move a grain market – thats how accurate he is and how widely read he is.
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all scientists are wrong except those that know the planet will be at least 1.6 degrees cooler by 2030.
Science and scientists are very exacting in their analyses. If the temperature in July is under 20C then this is weather but if it is above 28C, this is climate. You have to be a scientist to grasp the broad expanse.