“The G8 countries have agreed to do whatever needs to be done to limit the world’s temperature to a two-degree increase.”
Do these people even hear themselves anymore???
“The G8 countries have agreed to do whatever needs to be done to limit the world’s temperature to a two-degree increase.”
Do these people even hear themselves anymore???
It is all about power (control) and money, and this is just one more phase of softening up the masses. Why should they have to believe what they say, when no one questions their claims; be it the MSM or the masses?
ET
Months ago (pre-election) I commented that I felt betrayed by the Conservatives because of a comment S.Day made which I called a lie, and pointed to that lie as evidence that the Conservatives are on board with AGW hysteria. At the time I said that my experience has made me very effective at rooting out B.S. You then proceeded to ask for “proof” because you’ll not accept my perceived talent(earned skill) for smelling B.S. as tangible evidence(paraphrasing). Since then my feelings of betrayal have changed, but my assessment that S.Day was/is B.Sing Canadians is still valid.
My point is, asking for “proof” isn’t necessarily checkmate wrt a debate( even though I provided some). Bill O’Reilly seems to have the same trait of denying his nose despite his face. His so called “fair and balanced” mantra and his personal standard of not bloviating about anything without irrefutable proof has made him unable to accurately report on BO. So what, BO didn’t say he’s a socialist, that doesn’t mean he isn’t one, but O’Reilly thinks he’s on some type of moral high ground for not jumping to obvious conclusions, when in fact he looks silly. He’s mislead his viewers and is only now starting to report what I’m sure his gut was telling him all along. Outside of media in the real world this black and white view of evidence can cost people their lives. Not everything is as easily verified in life as it is in academia. This is probably why sales isn’t taught in university or some other type of post secondary schools because the only tangible results are sales numbers. In other words there are no measurable, similar to a built-in lie detector.
I’m not trying to say “I told you so”, but your dismissal of my POV made me remember to bring this up at the right time. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t dismiss the 900lb gorilla in the room just because we can’t prove he’s 900lbs, or that he’s really a gorilla. He’s there, and we can just accept that.
It’s official Harper is a Modern Liberal and as such he’s embraced the Church of Climate Change. Harper has taken the Conservative Party so far left it’s gobsmacking, first he forces Canadians to buy 30 billion in GM shares and now he’s embraced Climate Change. I’d ask what’s next but he’ll most likely expand the CHRC mandate to include the Social Condition, for some reason I spit after I say the words Social Condition. Does that mean I’m inflicked with said Desease?
So they are going to pass laws to regulate the atmosphere? OH MY! How powerful these great leaders are! By the way, what is the temperature supposed to be? Answer– The same as it was when these adult children were really children never varying even a little bit (for the first time in this planet’s history).
Of course setting up a carbon trading system that will generate BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars of free money stolen from the productive to those who faciltate the trades (ALGORE..Paulson) has nothing to do with this.
Wake up and fight this people!!
Assuming that burning stuff really does contribute to global warming gases , it’s time to get busy peeps …… two degrees C is one hell of a pile of tires , or any thing else for that matter .
Exactly HANDSOMEINMN.
The goal is to return the temperature and climate to what it was in the “good’ ol days”.
Chill kids, be like our climate and just chill.
PM Harper is just being a public believer, which public figures must do these days or else face the wrath of the unhinged looney leftie global warming hysterics.
He’s going along to get along . . . . and biding hos time because he knows the temperature are dropping. Time is on ob his side, just like with the economy.
That would include Stephen Harper, wouldn’t it?
it is starting . . . a big Obamassiah supporter turns on him like a starving dog in an unlocked meat store. All in the Huff Po no less.
“Hansen unhinged on G-8 failure – “Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/09/hansen-unhinged-on-g-8-failure/
“He’s going along to get along”
Where’s he getting along to Fred? Do you think this giant tax schemes will be repealed once they see the folly of their ways?
make the 2degrees measured at the top of the Washington monument .
a symbolic phallic symbol to the world.
While they’re at it, could they raise our winter temperatures 2 degrees and lower the summer by 2? A little chilly for me on the west coast come Feb.
“Where’s he getting along to Fred? Do you think this giant tax schemes ”
What giant taxes? Here in BC our policy wonk du jour Premier has passed a gasoline tax – I think it is up to 3.5 cents/litre now, but he dropped income taxes, but I think this is the only “giant tax scheme” in Canada. Has Harper passed any CO12 taxes ??
even Obama hasn’t enacted any tax increases yet . . the Senate is next stop and it will be difficult, but that is an American problem.
O’progressives are regressive: The Dirty 30s redux?
Mao Stlong’s AGW is a Red-Green Mask for the destruction of western civilization.
O is the designated hitman of the AGWPack.
GAO = “the Government Accountability Office, a research arm of [USA] Congress,”
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“U.S. climate laws risk trade war: study”
“The GAO warns, however, that protectionist action could provoke tit-for-tat countermeasures that would spiral into a wide-ranging trade war.
“Countries may view U.S. trade measures as trade restrictions or sanctions, which could lead them to implement restrictions against U.S. exports,” the report said.”
urlm.in/csfu
Progress is being made.
When Kyoto hatched, the architects, Maurice Strong, Hansen, Gore, Suzuki, invisioned it to be the Mother Of All socialistic schemes.
Hamstring the Western Economies and give taxpayer money to the Third World – with the United Nations handling the money of course and taking a cut for Mo et al.
But the US Senate told Al Gore and Big Willy to take a hike – voted 100% against Kyoto.
Chretien signed but did nothing.
And now, heh heh, they will simply limit the temp rise to two degrees – somehow, someday, if indeed they have to.
If that is all Mo and Gang get, they will probably loose interest.
Hansen unhinged because the socialistic scheme is falling apart. He and MO are not interested in the climate part.
O’ChicagO that O’hustlin’ tOwn.
Goreacle has passed the Golden Wafer-Heifer Footprint of AGW to O’ChicagO.
Here is O’s Golden Heifer FOOtprint.
Moses, where are you?
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“Chicago – coolest July 8th in 118 years
9 07 2009
Another entry from the weather is not climate department, this time courtesy of Tom Skilling, WGN-TV meteorologist”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
the simple fact is an increase in world avg temp translates into lower utility bills for me. I dont use air-con and wont at least until my present furnace needs replacing.
and I’m perfectly willing to acknowledge my std of living has as its foundation the exploitation of energy resources for hundreds of years before, so who am I to object when others burn it up like pergatory?
politicians making pronouncements like this reminds me of the ‘great leap forward’ under Mao when the only thing req’d was . . . a pronouncement from on high to cue the step-to crowd fawning over his every word.
the emperor has new clothes etc. targeting limiting of temperature increases means NOTHING without action. Im fed up with trying to improve conditions in this city/province/country/world so Im banking on the predicted eco-catastrophe to reach its full effect when Im in my mid 80s and then REALLY dont give a fcuk.
Saw this as a comment in the ‘Hansen Unhinged’ thread on WUWT.
What was on the G8 agenda was reduction in CO2 emissions of 80% by 2050. That was thrown out.
The article says the 80% cut was agreed to, it’s just that the base year was not determined. Whether 2006, or 1990, it’s not at all comforting either way to realize that hysterical baseless anti-science alarmist propaganda has won over the “leadership” of the developed world.
The G8 leaders have finally discovered the “dark side” of the force….
The real question is what is their Sith lord names be.
Darth Gore?
Darth Delusional?
ET, your note on the unions is interesting. I would suggest to you that to a certain extent the problem is self correcting. Two reasons: 1. Because of the increasingly intrusive, anti-economic policies of the Greens, the wedge between the Greens and unionized labour is growing. You only have to listen to someone like the head of PWU, or local heads of things like painters and plasterers or the steamfitters locals to understand just how hostile some of them have become to Green politics. To a certain extent this is still masked by the politics of the large union alliances such as CFL, increasingly dominated by public sector unions, but it’s there and its been growing for about 15 years. It also makes the ideological split in the NDP worse. It’s obvious by now that they’re not going to hold together much longer the coalition of unions and greens.
2. Every year that passes, the proportion of unionized labour in Canada (and the US) shrinks. It will continue to shrink for a host of economic structural reasons. Only in the public sector are they hanging on and growing.
MND @ 4:48: I can understand your scepticism over the trade war aspect. All I can say is that it’s been a very quiet underlying theme at every COP going back to the mid 1990s. And there’s no question that protectionism is a huge part of the Dem agenda in the US today. For anyone who listened carefully to O’s remarks in his Ottawa visit, I found them some of the most alarming stuff any President has said about Canada in the past half century.
Heh, cgh, I’m with you on Dem protectionism. For sure. The auto bailouts and the destruction of the rule of law vis-a-vis the treatment of secured bond holders was ALL because of the UAW.
It’s just that the whole global warming hoax is not trade-war related. It’s really a combination of radical state expansionsim, radical global income re-distributionsim, and radical one-world government. Global fascism.
The euro-elites aren’t satisfied with their Eurabia project; they really pine for one-world global governance. The best excuse for that is of course the need to “save the planet”. And who can argue with that noble goal, eh?
I used to be puzzled with the political elites’ wish to destroy national sovereignty. But I gradually realized that global governance would give successful pols a much bigger, way more thrilling playing field.
Finally, the more I think about it the less I accept the meme suggested here by some posters that the pols are just going through the motions in order to satisfy their stupid brainwashed voters (wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more). In fact, I don’t think most folks really believe in the GW hoax. As Kate says, they just look out their windows. Most folks, of course, are not reflected by the CBC and US state-run media.
The real tragedy of the entire global warming/climate change debacle is that when the vast majority of average people come to their senses and politicians finally muster enough intestinal fortitude to dismiss this sad period in history as an enormous fraud, the Gores and Suzukis of the world will simply drop out of sight. Although they have enriched themselves beyond belief, they will slither under the rock from whence they came …. no retribution, no punishment, no public ridicule …. nothing!
It’s a grandiose scheme and, years from now, these con artists will be living in luxury, knowing that they pulled it off without a hitch.
MND: more importantly, the “bigger, way more thrilling playing field” is an UNELECTED one. The UN SecGen never has to consult anything as pesky as voters, nor do any of the Eurocrats in Brussels.
What it really shows is that AGW as a practical policy issue plays out amid a host of competing interests, some of which you referred to. What the national interests (the politicians) are seeking is an advantage for themselves and their constituents. That means, the other guy’s ox gets gored more than mine.
I disagree with you in the last sentence of your post. Most of them are terrified about what the opposition will do to them if they ever slack off on what everyone in politics believes is the established political power of AGW. So they all play the game. The secret is to determine who really believes the nonsense and those who don’t.
i said it years ago. why the hell do you want a cooler planet. we will have to burn more fuel to stay warm. maybe we will have to burn politicans.
The G8 actually did something helpful, they put AGW back into the mix… and they put a results MARKER (>2C) on the climate. Those in Congress are voting on AGW, (not carbon or Air Quality) and they will pay the price when that theory fails. The 9 Republican Reps & Dem’s will need to explain themselves, re: AGW, in 2010 and beyond.
The debate is now AGW & who measures the 2C. That may take 100 years of academic argument, and we will be somewhat nearer a cooler planet….
Climate change is OUT….AGW is IN.. If carbon is not responsible for AGW the carbon exchange is DOA..
Far be it from me to throw a positive spin, but…
Did it occur to anyone that maybe Harper knows damn well that AGW is all BS, and that when he makes the on-camera statements he MUST make, he’s fervently hoping that WE know that HE knows that it’s all BS? Wink-wink-nudge-nudge?
I actually feel sorry for the guy, all the BS he has to spout, hoping to affect a beat-back of the insanity…
*Sigh*
These idiots are going to need to find a way to blot out the sun just enough to freeze our back sides off before we throw them into the Arctic and watch the ice quickly form over their heads.