White people are continually berated for being slave owners, being cruel to native populations, being arrogant and uncaring and bigoted and cruel and greedy and selfish etc etc. But that is all okay right?
Yet when another culture is criticized for appearing to be pretty useless, inept and pitifully reliant on other people’s kindness and EXTORTED MONEY .. (through satire, cynicism and humor) … that is NOT OK RIGHT?
It should be noted that in the past there were some awful things done by white people to Indians and Negros, but that was a long time ago. There is no one living today who has done these horrid things. Those who are living today are paying through the nose to support and pacify those offended peoples. Those people have every opportunity to do whatever they wish and achieve whatever they want. In fact through affirmative action they actually have more opportunity now that white folks.
What you trolls are missing is that it is not bigotry or racism at work, it’s frustration that our leaders are perpetuating this sorry condition and there seems to be nothing to change it.
Until people get up on their hind legs and do for themselves, they cannot expect anything but resentment and scorn.
I have seen native reservies and black ghettos and what they have in common is squalor and filth. Housing that is falling aparty, graffiti, old cars, weeds, trash all littering everything.
Why is this small bit of effort to clean it up and paint it beyond the pale with these people? Where is the pride and self respect?
I remember the swell of Italians that flowed into Canada in the fifties. They had trouble getting jobs. Yet their homes were neat and tidy and they all had gardens. Many of them just went into business for themselves and to this day they literally have a stranglehold on the construction industry in Ontario. They have fully assimilated and are community leaders. The same for the Greeks and Poles and Ukrainians. They all came here with nothing and in those days they received nothing from government.
There is no excuse for living the desperate live that we see on reservations and ghettos. How one lives is a CHOICE when you live in a country that allows people to choose.
I don’t feel sorry for the po’ Indians who cannot get hand cleaner. They could get it if they wanted to.
The Indian industry gets about 12 billion a year. if we divided that up, each native would be rich.
I cannot even guess at what the immigration department is wasting.
The real issue is that those of us who work our assess of to make a life for ourselves and our families, are tired of paying for those who lay around and whine all day.
That scenario is a direct result of Liberalism gone haywire.
When you help someone, they will always remember you … the next time they need help.
Who was it that said …
– The Lord helps those who help themselves?
– The harder I work, the luckier I get.
– Nothing good comes easy.
There is no mystery to being successful and self-reliant. It takes a little gumption and a willingness to work.
My best advice is to get of the arse and figure out how to get your own hand cleaner. It will make you proud.
I have a few successful native friends. They work and live pretty much the way I do.
“What exactly do you stand for, Kate? All you seem to do is spread hatred.”
No hatred here. Kate just exposes the “insanity” that many of us miss because we don’t read the MSM.(oh, are they then spreading hatred?)
Horny toad
We should stop being so racist and paternalistic, and ship them all the hand sanitizer they need. We could make Christopher Pauchay the Commissar of Hand Sanitizer.
What could possibly go wrong?
Oh it was KATE that deleted that post! Whew!
I saw “Jennifer Lynch” and thought that SDA had been taken over by the CHRC and we were all in the sh*t!
“What really took the cake was a Native woman in the report last night saying that delaying the shipment of hand sanitizer was “bordering on racism.”
Funny….I would bet that IF they had gotten Hand Sanitizer they would be all over the government for promoting alcohol abuse on reserves.
The CPC government cannot win for losing. i would really like to know the back story on this – as I am sure this is being spun for maximum effect.
Sigh….i see batb said exactly the same thing – which I would have known if I had taken the time to read the comments before posting my own.
“What really took the cake was a Native woman in the report last night saying that delaying the shipment of hand sanitizer was “bordering on racism.”
Well it’s official now. That word no longer has any meaning.
BeardysCree wrote: “I suspect the reason Kate raises First Nations issues in a negative way is due to some weird sense of envy – she knows full well the legitimacy of the s.35 rights and yet assails them in a forum that prevents any discussion of the legal and constitutional rights – keep banging your head on the wall Kate -there nothing you can do to change things”
What is to be envied about adults who will not take their own destinies into their own hands?
Proper hygiene clears up a lot of things, moreso than impulse-buy hand sanitiser.
Wash. Your hands.
What’s Ottawawatch and how many readers does it have?
A racist is a conservative winning an argument with a liberal/telling the truth in public.
” … this is very close to racism” are the exact words of Grand Chief Betsy Kennedy of the War Lake First Nations Reserve. http://watch.ctv.ca/news/ctv-national-news/june-23/#clip186495
Chief Kennedy is “demanding an apology.” It’s not clear from whom she’s hoping she’ll get one, but in the context of the media presentation of the issue, with Natives “outraged,” it would appear she’d like an apology from “government officials.” Interestingly, however, some of these government officials appear to be Native themselves (Anne Marie Robinson, assistant deputy minister of Health Canada’s First Nations and Inuit Health Branch, talked about “our communities” when referring to concerns about theft of the hand sanitizers and addictions.) So, will Grand Chief Kennedy be asking an apology of them, as well?
It’s “close to racism,” IMO, to accuse non-Native “government officials” and not her own people of delaying delivery of hand sanitizers to Native reserves.
Listen to how CTV couched the controversy on last night’s newscasts:
“Government officials may have delayed giving First Nations people hand sanitizers because they contained alcohol, and leaders are outraged.”
Yup. It’s racism, pure and simple, and all Whitey’s fault — and yet close observation of what has happened in this controversy, makes it clear that Native leaders are just as culpable of wrongdoing, if that’s what it is, as the ‘guilty’ “government officials.”
Used to be the indians could make their own soaps from forest things. But i guess theyre too busy/
Mary Sunshine (oh yeah?): “Vile thread. You should all be ashamed.”
But you’re a fine one to talk. Shame on you for not looking into the details of this issue, for simply accepting at face value what the media has reported about this controversy.
Maybe you can discover who Grand Chief Betsy Kennedy wants an apology from and then explain to the rest of us why, when Native leaders were very much involved in the decision to not send hand sanitizers to certain reserves, it’s “racist, non-Native government officials” — according to the media and Chief Kennedy — who are solely at fault.
Yes, that would be a fitting penance for your vile misrepresentation of we who “should be ashamed.”
Hand sanitizer has been a savior for doctors as there was a time 10 years ago when I was ready to start buying gloves in lots of 10,000 as washing ones hands with soap causes dermatitis. There is nothing worse for the hands than washing them 40-50x/day with soap and the only alternative is to put on a new pair of gloves before seeing each patient. When one has dermatitis, hand infections are more likely which is why people don’t like using soap.
With hand sanitizer I can use it after every patient and maintain the integrity of my skin. All the literature I’ve seen demonstrates that hand sanitizer is as effective as washing with soap and water (obviously one uses soap and water when hands get covered with blood or other bodily fluids). Alcohol based hand sanitizers are the best.
To prevent infections one needs to use hand sanitizer after every contact with people and there aren’t any places where one can use soap and water on city busses or in taxis. I carry a bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer with me wherever I go.
One of the possible reasons American indians are getting influenza at higher rates is probably low vitamin D levels. Also, birds seem to transport influenza viruses around the world and birds can easily get into remote reserves. One of the strongest correlates with influenza epidemics is population vitamin D levels as vitamin D is involved in production of antimicrobial peptides in the body. When the H5N1 hysteria first surfaced I started taking 10,000 units of D3 daily and didn’t catch a cold from any of my patients for months. Recently I did acquire a viral infection and this was when I thought it was time to get my vitamin D from sunlight and backed off the high dose D3 (obviously I’ve been working too many hours and not spending enough time outside). H5N1 is no big deal and just a way for the world hysteria organization to get more publicity for itself.
batb
only those with their hand on the purse stings can be “racist”, or AT FAULT, cuz they are the ones that NEED to pay:-))))
On CTV a woman commented that she “just wants to be treated like all Canadians”.
OK then, how about paying some taxes?
Or the flip side: I guess I should expect my case of government paid hand sanitizer any day now?
Having lived in St. Theresa Point, the community that has been in the news, I’d like to contribute some basic info on living conditions.
No running water. Water is obtained from a large tank at the bottom of the road.
No septic. Outhouses.
No doctors. Nursing station .
The main store is on an island off the shore…access by boat(or ski-doo)
The entire community is fly-in…
It is indeed a dry community with % alcohol laws. This is not to say that the sanitizer easily available as a security for ‘non-native’ Canadians shouldn’t have been available to STP. Once the flu starts going around, its pretty hard to stop it. Every year. These people have large asthma and diabetes problems which make them more susceptible . Also nutrition is not great, as the cheapest food is also the worst. Only those with credit cards have the option of flying in their own supply. Others are at the mercy of the local store, which in 1990 charged $8 for 4lts of milk and $1 for a banana. We flew our food in from Winnipeg. Even at 50cents a lb.(at the time) it was much cheaper.
Not all Manitona natives live in fly-in communities, but those that do have a pretty basic lifestyle that doesn’t include what we mostly take for granted…like water, warmth, food and healthcare.
It ain’t easy street.
No one is saying that acquiring essentials in the north is either cheap or easy. But at some point you have to wonder why they even bother with a band council or chiefs if these twits are so incompetent that they cannot arrange for a case of hand sanitizer to be flown in. If they have time to bitch at the government for not doing it for them, they sure as hell had time to do something about it themselves.
That’s the point. What’s wrong with these people???
Hand sanitizer is a problem? LOL!
When I worked up north I saw indians melt shoe polish and poor it thru bread to get the alcohol out of it. I think ‘hand-sanitizer’ is the least of their worries.
The solution to the ‘indian cycle of poverty’ is to get them the hell off of the reserves and out from the tender mercies of their respective ‘elder-councils’, give’em a one time monetary/land apology award and call it a day.
lime beer is flying off the shelf,sooooo how about some lime hand sanitizer.
I find it strange, that even here at SDA, people address aboriginal issues by deferring to the great “them” … either the chiefs, the community, the reserve, government, the Band Council, etc. What we have constructed, in essence, is a communist system … the central committee (the Fed), the politburo made up of the chiefs … and the regional organizations being the reserves. There is no “individual” left in Indian governance … it’s all one big sloppy tax sucking collective. The Indian person, as an individual, does not exist.
While the rest of us decide, as individuals, whether or not to swill hand sanitizer (or Finesse Hairspray as is the fashion in Saskatoon) Indians are expected to make decisions as a collective … a herd … watched over by corrupt chiefs and bureaucrats. Instead of Indian and Northern Affairs, we should call it The Union of Socialist Indian Reserves … or Cooperatives. It’s a perfect Commi system, right here, under our very noses.
I know that the following is a radical thought and completely foreign to the progressive mindset, but how about each Indian person make a personal decision to either consume hand sanitizer, or to use it for its intended purpose … and then, to suffer or benefit from the consequences of their actions just like the rest of us are expected to. But then, that’d sidestep the collective.
I suspect Chief Kennedy is really looking for an apology with a cheque attached.
Tried some hand sanitizer with coke last night.
Not that good.
Hearing about conditions at St. Theresa Point (above), I thought, yup, a war zone. Why in G*d’s name don’t the chiefs, with the almost $13 billion they receive every year DO something about the absolutely appalling medieval conditions that exist on far too many reservations?
The government Sugar Daddy isn’t going to fix these problems, no matter how much money they take from the rest of us to throw at the utterly dysfunctional, squalid cesspools far too many reservations have become.
Until the Native chiefs stop blaming Whitey and begin to own their people’s problems, roll up their sleeves to solve them, and begin to demand responsibility and accountability from themselves and their people, they’re doomed to a sub-sub-standard of living.
My G*d. If my family and I had the resources Native Canadians have been the recipients of for years, we’d be living in the lap of luxury. Natives need a new management model, which has nothing to do with annual payouts of billion$ of taxpayer dollars. Charity begins at home, folks.
As others have mentioned, getting off the reserves has got to be an option. Why should Native Canadians be immune to a solution countless people through the millennia have had to resort to when the going gets tough?
When this happens, the tough get going — usually to other locales where they have a chance of beginning a new life. That’s the story of immigration the world over.
Since when are Natives exempt from having to move when the going gets not only tough but unbearable?
This Mark Steyn column is a couple of years old, but no less relevant on the pathetic state of indian affairs in canada for that: Preserving Their Way of Life
mhb23re at gmail d0t calm
batb – excellent points.
I have to wonder – just exactly where do the Natives think they would be today without “The White Man”? Would they have continued to “live off the land”, as they would have us think? (no running water, no plumbing, no hand sanitizers, etc). When modern civilization came around, would they have simply hidden, or would they have been able to become part of it?
Why is it that most Canadians do what they have to in order to survive and prosper, yet we don’t demand the same thing of many others. Instead we redistribute – from those who work hard to those who don’t or worse … won’t. Ya, I feel really good about giving 50% of my hard earned $$ to others looking for a handout.
And if anyone wants to accuse me of being racist, I am not. I just don’t like people of any race, religion, creed, color, etc, who don’t pull their weight, and expect others to pick up the tab.
Anne
I wrote a short essay on this in high school. The topic was : there was a road built to transport military supplies right through First Nations lands. How has this effected First Nations way of life?
I wrote something along the lines of: had we not protected our northern seaboards perhaps First Nations would have been better served under a Soviet government. The title of the essay was “Pay Me in Rubles Please”.
Mary Sunshine, if you or your friend (whose cutting and pasting skills are infinitely better than his critical thinking skills) want to call me or anyone here a racist, SAY IT TO MY FACE.
Is it racist to expect grown people to take care of themselves? Is it racist to expect accountability from the chiefs who pad their wallets with tax dollars?
Stop pointing fingers.
for all you libs, has anyone told a lie? if so show me the lie and refute it in the extreme.
OK, Osumashi, you are a racist. Kate Macmillan is a racist. This entire thread is filled with the most vile racial hatred, including Shaidle’s obscene reference to the smallpox blanket myth.
Uh-uh. You didn’t say it to my face.
You are as cowardly as you are incapable of forming a logical train of thought. You still didn’t explain the connection between expecting adults to look after themselves and racism. I realise that’s too much to ask from you but indulge us all.
Oh- and you’re a coward. That was in case you didn’t get it the first time.
Golly, Osumashi, if that, in fact, is your real name, pick a time and place.
People who say all folks should stand on their own two feet are not racists. People who say Indians are dirty, lazy, drunken, and the many other attacks made on them here are racists.
People like Macmillan who censor comments critical of her and leave racist bilge up are also racists. She knew exactly what she was generating when she made her post, and she actively published the comments of her racist folowers.
Golly, Osumashi, if that, in fact, is your real name, pick a time and place.
People who say all folks should stand on their own two feet are not racists. People who say Indians are dirty, lazy, drunken, and the many other attacks made on them here are racists.
People like Macmillan who censor comments critical of her and leave racist bilge up are also racists. She knew exactly what she was generating when she made her post, and she actively published the comments of her racist folowers.
Golly, Osumashi, if that, in fact, is your real name, pick a time and place.
People who say all folks should stand on their own two feet are not racists. People who say Indians are dirty, lazy, drunken, and the many other attacks made on them here are racists.
People like Macmillan who censor comments critical of her and leave racist bilge up are also racists. She knew exactly what she was generating when she made her post, and she actively published the comments of her racist folowers.
MaryS I’m embarrassed for you and your haughty attitude.
Wow. You had to post your crap THREE times so I could disagree with you only once.
If Kate wanted censorship, I wouldn’t be typing a response to your nonsense.
We have seen in this thread people point out how entire groups of people have let themselves degenerate into alcoholism, selfishness and laziness (both physical and mental), and their claims are not without merit. Any aboriginal person (aboriginal means “savage”, by the way so another euphemism is in order) who DOES leave the reservation for educational or professional opportunities is an outcast because he or she refuses to let the government dictate their lives as we have seen residents of the Yellow Quill or Manitoba reservations do. And let’s not forget the financial and moral corruption.
If it is racist to point out the great disparities between segments of the Canadian populace, then you just don’t know the meaning of the word.
Coward.
Mary Sunshine (oh yeah?): Deal with my postS at 8:02, 9:31, and 9:40 last night.
You don’t feel like it? You prefer to accuse posters here of calling “Indians … dirty, lazy, drunken” when we’ve done no such thing?
It’s Indian Chiefs and Natives in the Ministry of Health Canada’s First Nations and Inuit Health Branch who were concerned about alcohol and drug addicted Natives using hand sanitizer to get high on the reserves.
Go ahead. Do the usual cowardly lib-left, no-brain, thing and create a straw man to knock down. No one here is fooled.
And, please, deal with my arguments. I challenged your allegations with facts and you have chosen not to respond.
Deal with the facts, if you can. Stop repeating your mendacious assertions. They make you look like a know-nothing simpleton.
Mr. Kinyobe, be kind enough and brave enough to post your co-ordinates and, as I’ve said before, I will be happy to call you a racist to your face.
White people are continually berated for being slave owners, being cruel to native populations, being arrogant and uncaring and bigoted and cruel and greedy and selfish etc etc. But that is all okay right?
Yet when another culture is criticized for appearing to be pretty useless, inept and pitifully reliant on other people’s kindness and EXTORTED MONEY .. (through satire, cynicism and humor) … that is NOT OK RIGHT?
It should be noted that in the past there were some awful things done by white people to Indians and Negros, but that was a long time ago. There is no one living today who has done these horrid things. Those who are living today are paying through the nose to support and pacify those offended peoples. Those people have every opportunity to do whatever they wish and achieve whatever they want. In fact through affirmative action they actually have more opportunity now that white folks.
What you trolls are missing is that it is not bigotry or racism at work, it’s frustration that our leaders are perpetuating this sorry condition and there seems to be nothing to change it.
Until people get up on their hind legs and do for themselves, they cannot expect anything but resentment and scorn.
I have seen native reservies and black ghettos and what they have in common is squalor and filth. Housing that is falling aparty, graffiti, old cars, weeds, trash all littering everything.
Why is this small bit of effort to clean it up and paint it beyond the pale with these people? Where is the pride and self respect?
I remember the swell of Italians that flowed into Canada in the fifties. They had trouble getting jobs. Yet their homes were neat and tidy and they all had gardens. Many of them just went into business for themselves and to this day they literally have a stranglehold on the construction industry in Ontario. They have fully assimilated and are community leaders. The same for the Greeks and Poles and Ukrainians. They all came here with nothing and in those days they received nothing from government.
There is no excuse for living the desperate live that we see on reservations and ghettos. How one lives is a CHOICE when you live in a country that allows people to choose.
I don’t feel sorry for the po’ Indians who cannot get hand cleaner. They could get it if they wanted to.
The Indian industry gets about 12 billion a year. if we divided that up, each native would be rich.
I cannot even guess at what the immigration department is wasting.
The real issue is that those of us who work our assess of to make a life for ourselves and our families, are tired of paying for those who lay around and whine all day.
That scenario is a direct result of Liberalism gone haywire.
When you help someone, they will always remember you … the next time they need help.
Who was it that said …
– The Lord helps those who help themselves?
– The harder I work, the luckier I get.
– Nothing good comes easy.
There is no mystery to being successful and self-reliant. It takes a little gumption and a willingness to work.
My best advice is to get of the arse and figure out how to get your own hand cleaner. It will make you proud.
I have a few successful native friends. They work and live pretty much the way I do.
“What exactly do you stand for, Kate? All you seem to do is spread hatred.”
No hatred here. Kate just exposes the “insanity” that many of us miss because we don’t read the MSM.(oh, are they then spreading hatred?)
Horny toad
We should stop being so racist and paternalistic, and ship them all the hand sanitizer they need. We could make Christopher Pauchay the Commissar of Hand Sanitizer.
What could possibly go wrong?
Oh it was KATE that deleted that post! Whew!
I saw “Jennifer Lynch” and thought that SDA had been taken over by the CHRC and we were all in the sh*t!
“What really took the cake was a Native woman in the report last night saying that delaying the shipment of hand sanitizer was “bordering on racism.”
Funny….I would bet that IF they had gotten Hand Sanitizer they would be all over the government for promoting alcohol abuse on reserves.
The CPC government cannot win for losing. i would really like to know the back story on this – as I am sure this is being spun for maximum effect.
Sigh….i see batb said exactly the same thing – which I would have known if I had taken the time to read the comments before posting my own.
“What really took the cake was a Native woman in the report last night saying that delaying the shipment of hand sanitizer was “bordering on racism.”
Well it’s official now. That word no longer has any meaning.
BeardysCree wrote: “I suspect the reason Kate raises First Nations issues in a negative way is due to some weird sense of envy – she knows full well the legitimacy of the s.35 rights and yet assails them in a forum that prevents any discussion of the legal and constitutional rights – keep banging your head on the wall Kate -there nothing you can do to change things”
What is to be envied about adults who will not take their own destinies into their own hands?
Proper hygiene clears up a lot of things, moreso than impulse-buy hand sanitiser.
Wash. Your hands.
Vile thread. You should all be ashamed.
I see it is being mocked at http://www.ottawawatch.blogspot.com
What’s Ottawawatch and how many readers does it have?
A racist is a conservative winning an argument with a liberal/telling the truth in public.
” … this is very close to racism” are the exact words of Grand Chief Betsy Kennedy of the War Lake First Nations Reserve.
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/ctv-national-news/june-23/#clip186495
Chief Kennedy is “demanding an apology.” It’s not clear from whom she’s hoping she’ll get one, but in the context of the media presentation of the issue, with Natives “outraged,” it would appear she’d like an apology from “government officials.” Interestingly, however, some of these government officials appear to be Native themselves (Anne Marie Robinson, assistant deputy minister of Health Canada’s First Nations and Inuit Health Branch, talked about “our communities” when referring to concerns about theft of the hand sanitizers and addictions.) So, will Grand Chief Kennedy be asking an apology of them, as well?
It’s “close to racism,” IMO, to accuse non-Native “government officials” and not her own people of delaying delivery of hand sanitizers to Native reserves.
Listen to how CTV couched the controversy on last night’s newscasts:
“Government officials may have delayed giving First Nations people hand sanitizers because they contained alcohol, and leaders are outraged.”
Yup. It’s racism, pure and simple, and all Whitey’s fault — and yet close observation of what has happened in this controversy, makes it clear that Native leaders are just as culpable of wrongdoing, if that’s what it is, as the ‘guilty’ “government officials.”
Used to be the indians could make their own soaps from forest things. But i guess theyre too busy/
Mary Sunshine (oh yeah?): “Vile thread. You should all be ashamed.”
But you’re a fine one to talk. Shame on you for not looking into the details of this issue, for simply accepting at face value what the media has reported about this controversy.
Maybe you can discover who Grand Chief Betsy Kennedy wants an apology from and then explain to the rest of us why, when Native leaders were very much involved in the decision to not send hand sanitizers to certain reserves, it’s “racist, non-Native government officials” — according to the media and Chief Kennedy — who are solely at fault.
Yes, that would be a fitting penance for your vile misrepresentation of we who “should be ashamed.”
Hand sanitizer has been a savior for doctors as there was a time 10 years ago when I was ready to start buying gloves in lots of 10,000 as washing ones hands with soap causes dermatitis. There is nothing worse for the hands than washing them 40-50x/day with soap and the only alternative is to put on a new pair of gloves before seeing each patient. When one has dermatitis, hand infections are more likely which is why people don’t like using soap.
With hand sanitizer I can use it after every patient and maintain the integrity of my skin. All the literature I’ve seen demonstrates that hand sanitizer is as effective as washing with soap and water (obviously one uses soap and water when hands get covered with blood or other bodily fluids). Alcohol based hand sanitizers are the best.
To prevent infections one needs to use hand sanitizer after every contact with people and there aren’t any places where one can use soap and water on city busses or in taxis. I carry a bottle of alcohol based hand sanitizer with me wherever I go.
One of the possible reasons American indians are getting influenza at higher rates is probably low vitamin D levels. Also, birds seem to transport influenza viruses around the world and birds can easily get into remote reserves. One of the strongest correlates with influenza epidemics is population vitamin D levels as vitamin D is involved in production of antimicrobial peptides in the body. When the H5N1 hysteria first surfaced I started taking 10,000 units of D3 daily and didn’t catch a cold from any of my patients for months. Recently I did acquire a viral infection and this was when I thought it was time to get my vitamin D from sunlight and backed off the high dose D3 (obviously I’ve been working too many hours and not spending enough time outside). H5N1 is no big deal and just a way for the world hysteria organization to get more publicity for itself.
batb
only those with their hand on the purse stings can be “racist”, or AT FAULT, cuz they are the ones that NEED to pay:-))))
On CTV a woman commented that she “just wants to be treated like all Canadians”.
OK then, how about paying some taxes?
Or the flip side: I guess I should expect my case of government paid hand sanitizer any day now?
Having lived in St. Theresa Point, the community that has been in the news, I’d like to contribute some basic info on living conditions.
No running water. Water is obtained from a large tank at the bottom of the road.
No septic. Outhouses.
No doctors. Nursing station .
The main store is on an island off the shore…access by boat(or ski-doo)
The entire community is fly-in…
It is indeed a dry community with % alcohol laws. This is not to say that the sanitizer easily available as a security for ‘non-native’ Canadians shouldn’t have been available to STP. Once the flu starts going around, its pretty hard to stop it. Every year. These people have large asthma and diabetes problems which make them more susceptible . Also nutrition is not great, as the cheapest food is also the worst. Only those with credit cards have the option of flying in their own supply. Others are at the mercy of the local store, which in 1990 charged $8 for 4lts of milk and $1 for a banana. We flew our food in from Winnipeg. Even at 50cents a lb.(at the time) it was much cheaper.
Not all Manitona natives live in fly-in communities, but those that do have a pretty basic lifestyle that doesn’t include what we mostly take for granted…like water, warmth, food and healthcare.
It ain’t easy street.
No one is saying that acquiring essentials in the north is either cheap or easy. But at some point you have to wonder why they even bother with a band council or chiefs if these twits are so incompetent that they cannot arrange for a case of hand sanitizer to be flown in. If they have time to bitch at the government for not doing it for them, they sure as hell had time to do something about it themselves.
That’s the point. What’s wrong with these people???
Hand sanitizer is a problem? LOL!
When I worked up north I saw indians melt shoe polish and poor it thru bread to get the alcohol out of it. I think ‘hand-sanitizer’ is the least of their worries.
The solution to the ‘indian cycle of poverty’ is to get them the hell off of the reserves and out from the tender mercies of their respective ‘elder-councils’, give’em a one time monetary/land apology award and call it a day.
lime beer is flying off the shelf,sooooo how about some lime hand sanitizer.
I find it strange, that even here at SDA, people address aboriginal issues by deferring to the great “them” … either the chiefs, the community, the reserve, government, the Band Council, etc. What we have constructed, in essence, is a communist system … the central committee (the Fed), the politburo made up of the chiefs … and the regional organizations being the reserves. There is no “individual” left in Indian governance … it’s all one big sloppy tax sucking collective. The Indian person, as an individual, does not exist.
While the rest of us decide, as individuals, whether or not to swill hand sanitizer (or Finesse Hairspray as is the fashion in Saskatoon) Indians are expected to make decisions as a collective … a herd … watched over by corrupt chiefs and bureaucrats. Instead of Indian and Northern Affairs, we should call it The Union of Socialist Indian Reserves … or Cooperatives. It’s a perfect Commi system, right here, under our very noses.
I know that the following is a radical thought and completely foreign to the progressive mindset, but how about each Indian person make a personal decision to either consume hand sanitizer, or to use it for its intended purpose … and then, to suffer or benefit from the consequences of their actions just like the rest of us are expected to. But then, that’d sidestep the collective.
I suspect Chief Kennedy is really looking for an apology with a cheque attached.
Tried some hand sanitizer with coke last night.
Not that good.
Hearing about conditions at St. Theresa Point (above), I thought, yup, a war zone. Why in G*d’s name don’t the chiefs, with the almost $13 billion they receive every year DO something about the absolutely appalling medieval conditions that exist on far too many reservations?
The government Sugar Daddy isn’t going to fix these problems, no matter how much money they take from the rest of us to throw at the utterly dysfunctional, squalid cesspools far too many reservations have become.
Until the Native chiefs stop blaming Whitey and begin to own their people’s problems, roll up their sleeves to solve them, and begin to demand responsibility and accountability from themselves and their people, they’re doomed to a sub-sub-standard of living.
My G*d. If my family and I had the resources Native Canadians have been the recipients of for years, we’d be living in the lap of luxury. Natives need a new management model, which has nothing to do with annual payouts of billion$ of taxpayer dollars. Charity begins at home, folks.
As others have mentioned, getting off the reserves has got to be an option. Why should Native Canadians be immune to a solution countless people through the millennia have had to resort to when the going gets tough?
When this happens, the tough get going — usually to other locales where they have a chance of beginning a new life. That’s the story of immigration the world over.
Since when are Natives exempt from having to move when the going gets not only tough but unbearable?
This Mark Steyn column is a couple of years old, but no less relevant on the pathetic state of indian affairs in canada for that: Preserving Their Way of Life
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batb – excellent points.
I have to wonder – just exactly where do the Natives think they would be today without “The White Man”? Would they have continued to “live off the land”, as they would have us think? (no running water, no plumbing, no hand sanitizers, etc). When modern civilization came around, would they have simply hidden, or would they have been able to become part of it?
Why is it that most Canadians do what they have to in order to survive and prosper, yet we don’t demand the same thing of many others. Instead we redistribute – from those who work hard to those who don’t or worse … won’t. Ya, I feel really good about giving 50% of my hard earned $$ to others looking for a handout.
And if anyone wants to accuse me of being racist, I am not. I just don’t like people of any race, religion, creed, color, etc, who don’t pull their weight, and expect others to pick up the tab.
Anne
I wrote a short essay on this in high school. The topic was : there was a road built to transport military supplies right through First Nations lands. How has this effected First Nations way of life?
I wrote something along the lines of: had we not protected our northern seaboards perhaps First Nations would have been better served under a Soviet government. The title of the essay was “Pay Me in Rubles Please”.
Mary Sunshine, if you or your friend (whose cutting and pasting skills are infinitely better than his critical thinking skills) want to call me or anyone here a racist, SAY IT TO MY FACE.
Is it racist to expect grown people to take care of themselves? Is it racist to expect accountability from the chiefs who pad their wallets with tax dollars?
Stop pointing fingers.
for all you libs, has anyone told a lie? if so show me the lie and refute it in the extreme.
OK, Osumashi, you are a racist. Kate Macmillan is a racist. This entire thread is filled with the most vile racial hatred, including Shaidle’s obscene reference to the smallpox blanket myth.
Uh-uh. You didn’t say it to my face.
You are as cowardly as you are incapable of forming a logical train of thought. You still didn’t explain the connection between expecting adults to look after themselves and racism. I realise that’s too much to ask from you but indulge us all.
Oh- and you’re a coward. That was in case you didn’t get it the first time.
Golly, Osumashi, if that, in fact, is your real name, pick a time and place.
People who say all folks should stand on their own two feet are not racists. People who say Indians are dirty, lazy, drunken, and the many other attacks made on them here are racists.
People like Macmillan who censor comments critical of her and leave racist bilge up are also racists. She knew exactly what she was generating when she made her post, and she actively published the comments of her racist folowers.
Golly, Osumashi, if that, in fact, is your real name, pick a time and place.
People who say all folks should stand on their own two feet are not racists. People who say Indians are dirty, lazy, drunken, and the many other attacks made on them here are racists.
People like Macmillan who censor comments critical of her and leave racist bilge up are also racists. She knew exactly what she was generating when she made her post, and she actively published the comments of her racist folowers.
Golly, Osumashi, if that, in fact, is your real name, pick a time and place.
People who say all folks should stand on their own two feet are not racists. People who say Indians are dirty, lazy, drunken, and the many other attacks made on them here are racists.
People like Macmillan who censor comments critical of her and leave racist bilge up are also racists. She knew exactly what she was generating when she made her post, and she actively published the comments of her racist folowers.
MaryS I’m embarrassed for you and your haughty attitude.
Wow. You had to post your crap THREE times so I could disagree with you only once.
If Kate wanted censorship, I wouldn’t be typing a response to your nonsense.
We have seen in this thread people point out how entire groups of people have let themselves degenerate into alcoholism, selfishness and laziness (both physical and mental), and their claims are not without merit. Any aboriginal person (aboriginal means “savage”, by the way so another euphemism is in order) who DOES leave the reservation for educational or professional opportunities is an outcast because he or she refuses to let the government dictate their lives as we have seen residents of the Yellow Quill or Manitoba reservations do. And let’s not forget the financial and moral corruption.
If it is racist to point out the great disparities between segments of the Canadian populace, then you just don’t know the meaning of the word.
Coward.
Mary Sunshine (oh yeah?): Deal with my postS at 8:02, 9:31, and 9:40 last night.
You don’t feel like it? You prefer to accuse posters here of calling “Indians … dirty, lazy, drunken” when we’ve done no such thing?
It’s Indian Chiefs and Natives in the Ministry of Health Canada’s First Nations and Inuit Health Branch who were concerned about alcohol and drug addicted Natives using hand sanitizer to get high on the reserves.
Go ahead. Do the usual cowardly lib-left, no-brain, thing and create a straw man to knock down. No one here is fooled.
And, please, deal with my arguments. I challenged your allegations with facts and you have chosen not to respond.
Deal with the facts, if you can. Stop repeating your mendacious assertions. They make you look like a know-nothing simpleton.
Mr. Kinyobe, be kind enough and brave enough to post your co-ordinates and, as I’ve said before, I will be happy to call you a racist to your face.