As the mob did not disperse, on the third floor, a worker in the Hillel decided that it was best to lock the door of the Hillel, and only let the Jewish students inside until the crowd thinned out, just to be on the safe side. Not thinking that anything was going to happen, the students in the Hillel lounge went about there typical business, sitting around and doing school work. Ten minutes passed, and before anyone realized what was happening, the mob that was outside the press conference on the third floor was outside the Hillel office on the fourth floor. The students outside of the Hillel were shouting louder their anti-Israel slogans and banging on the floor and walls so hard that the lights outside the Hillel were flickering. As the students in Hillel began to grow uneasy and the feeling of being safe was diminishing, York security was called in to try and help break up the crowd but as any student who has been to York knows, the campus security is severely limited on the force that they can use and they were unable to break up the crowd. And, as a result we were encouraged by Hillel staff to call the Toronto Police to help disperse the crowd. Some students who had the local non-emergency number called that one but as panic was setting in with other students some called 911 as they were truly scared for their safety.
Just as Toronto Police were arriving on campus, one pro-Palestinian student stood at the glass door of the Hillel, visible to the students in the Hillel, with his Kaffeiyah scarf pulled all the way up to his eyes. This is a tactic used by terrorist organizations such as Hamas and al-Qaeda to intimidate others, and quite frankly I was completely taken off-guard by the sight of this student and at that point fear began to trickle into me as well. This is something that goes beyond free speech and being anti-Israel and is tantamount to racism and discrimination. As the police arrived they stated that in a situation like this there is nothing they can do as they did not feel that there was an actual threat of violence, however, it was their belief that the possibility remained. They then told us that because they could not stand watch at the door all night, that it was highly recommended that we vacate the lounge immediately and they would assist us with safe passage through the crowd so as to prevent anything from occurring. And as 20 Jewish student walked single file through this unruly mob, they were pointing, laughing and chanting that we were “Racists on Campus!”
Omri Ceren – “Condemnations from ostensibly moderate Canadian Muslim leaders have been less than forthcoming. Which is also weird, because there’s no way that all of them are too busy recruiting for Al Qaeda.”
Memo Boy update … still setting fire to the interweb with shocking updates on a shiny white person’s TVO appearance.
I don’t know why Shaidle puts up with it, when a free pass can be had for as little as a Kaffeiyah scarf and a Liberal Party donation.
Broadstrata, boy!
On the same day as this report on Toronto’s first murder of the year.
“An arrest warrant has been issued for 21-year-old Ali Raza. Raza, who also faces a first-degree murder charge, is believed to be in Pakistan.”
I’m a big PG Wodehouse fan (for example, I know the “p” in pKinsella is silent), but I missed the reference. Care to enlighten?
Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright and Bertie Wooster are old school chums.
He’s something of a bit player and a dilettante (much like Bertie’s other friends), described by Bertie as “brilliant, but unsound.”
Not to be confused with Matthew Mugg, Dr. Dolittle’s Cats’-meat-Man.
I love Wodehouse’s work, especially Jeeves, and I love Hugh Lofting too, for that matter.
Wodehouse wrote for Broadway, of course, and I’m sure the “Catsmeat” just popped into Broadway expert Mark Steyn’s brilliant head.
As Jeeves says, I endeavor to give satisfaction.
lookout; ‘jason’s not a troll, get off his case.
You might reread your comments and consider how you appear to new visitors here.
It is too late! No matter how much we would like to dialogue with the left the battle is lost. No matter how much we want peace in our time, the battle is lost. We have fallen over the precipice.
Endless talk is just that, endless talk. When the left is done and can get no more concession from the right, they will take us to the “camps”, if we’re lucky.
Don’t go peacefully. Arm yourselves. Decent people of the right, arm yourselves.
And . . . anybody know a leader?
I wonder if what’s left of the media, reports, very solemnly, maybe in the year 2020 or 2025, that the general populace has turned violently on them for withholding the information that could have saved both our values and way of life. It’s reported that several have been found both in the local waterways and hanging from light posts and there seems to be no end to the brutal retaliation.
Is it possible that something like that could happen sooner?
Just because a person’s not a troll doesn’t overrule the fact that such a person might be naive and say outlandish, and even offensive, things that the facts simply do not support (as I and many others here seem to agree on). I appreciate jason’s civility, but not his thesis, which I think is deeply flawed. If he thinks what I’ve said is a problem, he’s quite free to let me know.
(I used to do a lot of public debating: in preparation, I’d analyse my arguments from my opponent’s point of view, as well as double check the facts of the matter. Then, quite often, I’d refine my presentation, if not some of the actual content. It was a very good mental exercise and often steered me clear of illogical shoals.)
Calling Judge Sidney Linden.
You destroyed Mark Harding- or nearly did.
Time to step up to the plate.
Mark Steyn at NRO Blog today:
‘The Free World Fatwas Itself [Mark Steyn]
‘ . . . Tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of the Ayatollah’s fatwa against Salman Rushdie over The Satanic Verses. Two decades on, who needs the mullahs? These days western nations are happy to fatwa their own. It’s now a familiar pattern.
‘If you threaten violence, the authorities cave in, and do the mob’s bidding in the interests of “public order” — as they did in Toronto on Wednesday, when thugs attacked a Jewish center:
‘The police demanded that the center itself close down — punishing the innocent and achieving the goal of the mob . . .
‘If young Muslim girls are being murdered in “honor killings”, the Chief Commissar of the Ontario “Human Rights” Commission will explain that they’re a “small commission” and they have to be able to prioritize and that Mark Steyn is a far greater threat to the Queen’s peace than killers of Muslim women.
‘But, if you don’t threaten violence, if you don’t issue death threats, if you don’t kill anyone, if you just make a movie or write a book or try to give a speech, the state will prosecute you, ban you or (in the case of Ayaan Hirsi Ali) force you to flee your own country.
‘In their appeasement of thugs, buffoons like Miliband and the Tory squishes across the House of Commons on the Opposition benches are making it very clear that the state accords more respect to violence than to debate. As I said to my interrogators in Ontario this week:
‘When you go down that road, all you do is lead to the situation that you have in, say, Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia, you can’t start a newspaper and print what you think, so if you object to the House of Saud, the only thing you can do is blow stuff up.
‘In Britain, Canada, the Netherlands and elsewhere (as the Instaprof has often noted) the state is teaching a very dangerous lesson.’
I’m sorry of this information hurts anyone’s feelings.
Penny, it is frustrating. For liberal Jews, Liberalism is their religion. It trumps everything. Liberal Jews, like all Liberals, feel they know things. No amount of facts will change their minds. They don’t see what happened at York University as old fashioned anti-Jew behaviour, they don’t see that religion drives Islamist hatred of Jews, they “feel” the whole thing is just a real estate problem. The state of Israel often embarrasses them, and they fail to see that the enemies of civilization see them as the same as black hatters with side curls.
Re: “We are under siege. If nothing is done I can foresee the day Jews will be forced into leaving North America for Israel.”
I hope the Islamic-Marxist extremists’ plan is not to get all the Jews in one place at one time so they can implement some sort of Final Solution of their own?
Re: “The Tamils of course are declared as a terrorist organization”
This is incorrect: the Tamil Tigers (full name: Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, or LTTE) are a terrorist organization, which murders moderate Tamils among others. The Tamils themselves are an ethnic group like Italians, Chinese, etc.
Incidentally that person named Krisna denied in the Globe and Mail that there was any anti-Semitic chanting during the York U confrontation. He’s described as York Federation of Students’ vice-president of equity, whatever the hell that is.
Re: “the police collude in the intimidation by saying there’s nothing they can do. ‘Used to be that when the police arrived, that was it.”
After decades of mostly bogus claims of racism by leftist goons, which resulted in travesties like “diversity training”, the cops have been co-opted by the goons.
the feminization of the police? could be part of the problem.
nv53 writes, “Incidentally that person named Krisna denied in the Globe and Mail that there was any anti-Semitic chanting during the York U confrontation. He’s described as York Federation of Students’ vice-president of equity, whatever the hell that is.”
What the hell that is is that Krisna is a card carrying member of the “Commissars of Politically Correct Oppression”. (Just about all Canadian institutions have such a bureau: school boards, unions, churches, our court system, with its sensitivity courses far all judges, etc.) I notice that the acronym for the Commissars of Politically Correct Oppression is COPCO. How apt.
The Krinas and Halls—as in Barbara—of this world are a dangerous and oppressive company of self-declared cops to keep the rest of us in line—in keeping with THEIR Marxist ideas of how we should be thinking and behaving. And, as you’ve pointed out, nv53, the cops, as in police, have been co-opted to keep the gulag inmates in line. And we know who the inmates are: law-abiding Canadian citizens, not the anarchic radicals who bully and intimidate, and are willing to use violence.
So, while the morally decrepit elites of this country hide behind a smokescreen of “Tolerance and Diversity”, they actually support the thugs and Canada’s very own thought police, who want the exact opposite, and who are, in fact, along with our hypocritical and corrupt “leaders”, ruining our once free dominion.
Kyrie eleison.
How come the police threatened to arrest the woman asking the Muslim protesters in Toronto why she couldn’t go to Mecca? Their grounds were that she could be inciting violence.
So actually threatening violence is not an actionable offense, yet asking hard questions is?
Kyla, isn’t it a sad comment on our sorry society that your question isn’t purely rhetorical?
John Cleese–of Monty Python–has said that parody’s just about impossible these days because the most over-the-top scenarios are happening, in real time, right under our noses.
E.g. Check out the “Influencial Muslim Beheads Wife” a few threads above this. The man who apparently did this is one, “Muzzammil Hassan . . . the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light”. If one were writing Monty Python scripts, it’s unlikely one would ever have come up with something like this.
We’re living in a CRAZY world–a world gone, literally, MAD because self-control is neither expected, nor a lack of self-control punished. (Whoops, I’m not supposed to use such a word.) Very scary.
lookout: Great comments. COPCO is your depiction of the group Krisna belongs too, right? A fictional — but not so fictional — commissariat.
It seems that all of our elitist “leaders” have been commandeered to the Dark Side. Truth is relative — whoever’s in power gets to call the shots, there are no immutable bench marks (“things are going to slide, slide in all directions; ‘won’t be nothing you can measure anymore”: Leonard Cohen) — and might is right.
The thugs call the shots because our leaders are cowards and law-abiding citizens need not pass Go or collect $200. We’re stuck in the Gulag with no get-out-of-jail-free card.
‘Sucks.
kyla – I don’t think that question about why can’t non-Muslims go to Mecca is a ‘hard question’. It would be one in a debating situation but in a rally, it is provocative. After all,a rally is most certainly not about debate but about presentation of one and only one point of view/belief.
As for the question, well, as an atheist, I can only comment that IF a religious group actually believes that a particular site is ‘holy’ to the religion, then, it seems reasonable that only those people who also consider it holy ought to go there. It should not be understood as a tourist site.
Equally, a non-Catholic can’t take communion. And for many Jewish groups, a non-Jew can’t be buried in a Jewish cemetary.
So, the situation isn’t as simple as you suggest.
ET, IMO, your comments here are nonsense. I’m afraid that, once again, your anti-Israel (Jewish?) sentiments have clouded your usually reliable intellect. (E.g. Just being IN a church and receiving communion are two entirely different things.)
batb, yes, I made up the name, but the dreadful reality of the situation I describe and you verify, is all too prevalent.
Oh, Oh Canada.
lookout – no, I don’t think that you can set up a red herring argument that the spatial location is the issue and that space has no meaning.
For a Muslim, the space of Mecca is, in itself, holy. Therefore, their rule that no non-Muslim can go to this space is, I think, their prerogative. They don’t want that space defined as ‘both holy and not holy’, i.e., a tourist area.
For a Jew, space is also of religious significance, and therefore, for many, no non-Jew can be buried in a Jewish cemetary.
For a Catholic, the action of communion is holy and therefore, no non-Catholic can engage in that action..which could also be understood as occurring in a particular space.
Therefore, I don’t understand why you define my points as ‘nonsense’. They happen to be facts. Oh, and I don’t think that you could find any indication of my thoughts, anywhere, that I am anti-Jewish/anti-semitic. Certainly, I critique Israel but that’s hardly evidence of anti-semitism. After all, does critiquing America’s current fiscal policy mean I am anti-American?
My point was to counter the lady’s question about non-Muslims not being allowed in Mecca. It is not a question for a rally but is one in a debate. And, I answered, that all religions have spatial areas and/or particular actions that are confined to the ‘true believers’ only. I think that makes eminent sense.
Again, I’m an atheist but I think that to transform the communion, which is a most sacred act of faith, into a ‘let’s try it’ action would be disgraceful. Same with turning Mecca into a tourist site. Or, a Jewish cemetary into one for people who are ‘not of the faith’. These acts and sites are extremely important to the people of these religions and I don’t see why they should be denigrated.
Bless you, ET, you miss my point altogether.
You say, “I think that to transform the communion, which is a most sacred act of faith, into a ‘let’s try it’ action would be disgraceful. Same with turning Mecca into a tourist site. Or, a Jewish cemetary into one for people who are ‘not of the faith’. These acts and sites are extremely important to the people of these religions and I don’t see why they should be denigrated”, has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m talking about or have suggested.
Also, your, “lookout – no, I don’t think that you can set up a red herring argument that the spatial location is the issue and that space has no meaning.” I suggested no such thing. In fact, I think space has a great deal of meaning.
Let’s get something straight: the point of this thread is that dangerous bullies are now, regularly in the West, allowed to do what they like in PUBLIC places, while those more irenic citizens they oppose are either entreated or ORDERED by the authorities to retreat.
The woman who wants to ask a reasonable question of her opponents in public (in Toronto, not in Mecca!), or a person who wants to fly an Israeli flag in their private space, seen in public, or, even a pro-life student who wants to show the results of abortion in public is not allowed to, by the police or other authority. HOWEVER, Muslims, who scream death to Jews and act in menacing, violent ways in public places, are both allowed to and protected.
That’s the question here, ET. Why are our police and other authorities (e.g., university administrators) requesting law-abiding, peaceful people like Jews and pro-life students to chill out and “leave the building”, while standing aside and allowing their rabble rousing and potentially violent opponents free rein?
At the least, this “different strokes for different folks” is a huge double standard—one of which our HRCs are guilty (and you abhor the HRCs). I actually think this double standard is a gross miscarriage of justice. Why? Because the rule of law—you seem to be a great fan of that concept—is being completely trod under foot.
That’s the issue here, ET. If you’re going to respond, please respond to that.
lookout – I’m sure you realize that I fully support the equality of the rule of law being applied to both sides. I wasn’t dealing with the Hillel situation but was responding to the situation of the woman asking a question about a religious ‘rule’ at a rally. Now, what was ‘nonsense’ about my answer?
I said that a rally was not the place to ask questions and therefore, although her question may have been reasonable in itself, her choice of when and where to ask it was most unreasonable. A rally isn’t a site for debate, questions, etc. I feel that her question was provocative. I wonder if she would have been satisfied with the answer, that Mecca is a holy place to Muslims and can’t be made into a tourist site?
As for the thugs, and I agree that they are indeed thugs, who were threatening the Jewish students, they should be charged with violating the peace of a public space and told to leave.
I’ve already in another thread, posted my comments about the U of Calgary anti-abortion display – and was roundly chastized for my view, which, sigh…I maintain. No-one convinced me to change it.
ET, in all the cases under consideration here, the rule of law is becoming a thing of the past in Canada. Re the pro-lifers (usually Christian), the Jews, and non-conforming legislators (Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Geert Wilders), their vociferous, thuggish opponents threaten the most serious violence and are immediately appeased by the powers that be.
Rather than the bullies being confronted and asked to leave—or removed, forceably—they are allowed to call the shots. In these cases, the legal fraud of “pre-crime”, your own, excellent term, is invoked to let the bullies—who are likely to be the perpetrators of crime!—trump the rights of their peaceful opponents. There’s so much wrong with this picture, I’m gobsmacked that you apparently don’t see it.
ET, you wiggle around and suggest that we’re not talking rule of law here. We are. And, as the darkness gathers in the West, the chattering classes and authorities consider some citizens more equal than others: there will be horrendous consequences for that lie. And you, of all people, know it.
lookout: “… there will be horrendous consequences for that lie.”
Having meditated on what’s going on in Canada recently, the conclusion I’ve come to is that we exist now in a sea of lies. I could spend my whole day countering lies … everywhere.
Of course, the “enlightened” amongst us definitely don’t want to hear a word I say. And, unfortunately, I’m encountering increasing numbers of enlightened Canadians.
What’re they putting in the water these days?
As we are soon to enter into the Holy Christian Season of Lent, Kyrie Eleison.
ET>
I couldn’t agree more!
“For a Muslim, the space of Mecca is, in itself, holy. Therefore, their rule that no non-Muslim can go to this space is, I think, their prerogative. They don’t want that space defined as ‘both holy and not holy’, i.e., a tourist area.”
I personally believe that Canada and all other western countries are holy! I believe that it should be our prerogative to enforce that no Muslim should visit these places.
That would bring some mutual respect – We won’t go to theirs, and they don’t come to ours. VERY FAIR, and very safe.
File a Section 13 Complaint against Racist Shaidle
http://shaidletheracist.blogspot.com/
Kathy Shaidle has used her blog at fivefeetoffury.com to promote intolerance and racism against vulnerable minorities for years.
The Canadian Human Rights Commission has legislation that specifically protects minorities from racism and hate posted on the Internet. Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) empowers the Commission to deal with complaints regarding the communication of hate messages by telephone or on the Internet
File a Section 13 Complaint against Racist Shaidle
http://shaidletheracist.blogspot.com/
Kathy Shaidle has used her blog at fivefeetoffury.com to promote intolerance and racism against vulnerable minorities for years.
The Canadian Human Rights Commission has legislation that specifically protects minorities from racism and hate posted on the Internet. Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act (CHRA) empowers the Commission to deal with complaints regarding the communication of hate messages by telephone or on the Internet