A Canwest/Global National poll suggests;
… Canadians are so uncomfortable at the prospect of a Liberal-NDP coalition government, backed by the Bloc, that a majority – 56 per cent – would prefer going to the polls again early in 2009 if Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean is forced to choose between the two options. That number is unchanged from a similar poll conducted last week, prior to Ignatieff’s promotion to the Liberal leadership.
The poll also said the Conservative party would garner 45 per cent of the vote and score a majority victory if an election were held today.
“All of a sudden, Stephen Harper’s hand has got a lot stronger,” Darrell Bricker, president of Ipsos Reid, said Friday. “There is no reason for him to fear an election.”
The survey results said the Liberals have not improved their electoral prospects – so far – by picking Ignatieff earlier this week to replace the unpopular Stephane Dion. Those surveyed favoured the Conservatives over the Liberals by 45 per cent to 26 per cent when no leaders’ names were mentioned. The 19-point gap was repeated when the question was rephrased to name Ignatieff.
Via Montreal Simon who’s taking the news rather hard.
In my opinion, the key result in that poll report is: “those surveyed favoured the Conservatives over the Liberals by 45 per cent to 26 per cent”, which gives Ve = 13.49, or about 200 seats.
But according to Mike Duffy, there is NO WAY that the Liberals can afford to go to an election until their next allowance payment from the People of Canada. And I believe that doesn’t happen until May or June.
In the interim, watch for the MSM & Liberals to launch Mission Destroy Harper!
By the way, have any of you every realized that the “Liberal Party Of Toronto” spells LPOT ? I think it’s a perfect acronym for them for several reasons.
Wow, best thing that could happen for Canada in our situation.
Now, Harper can truely run the country as a pseudo-majority. I’d prefer if he worked things out with Ignatieff. Dion was way too partisan.
Montreal Simon: “As I said yesterday I believe that the only reason the Coalition has done badly in the polls is because it hasn’t been sold properly.”
Funny, they said the same thing about the Green Shift.
“But if we want to change all that we’d better start soon. Canadians can’t support something when they don’t know what it looks like. Or what it has to offer. And the baby is DYING.
I still think if English Canadians can be shown how beautiful it is, and how it can provide the stable government we need at a time of crisis, they would choose it over the evil Con government of Stephen Harper. The tyrant who has raped our country, and shutdown our Parliament.” – Montreal Simon
***Seriously, these lefties need a grip on reality. When you start describing a non-entity like a coalition as a “baby” and “beautiful” and the PM as a “tyrant who has raped our country” one has to ask themselves, ‘are these guys for real?’
I think Harper should include the public financing cuts in the budget. He’s got the $3.3 billion stimulus so there’s not really a good reason why the liberals can vote it down. They’ll get there compromise and a shot in the foot at the same time 🙂 muhaha
We [our elected representatives] should not allow a mealy-mouthed response to this “constitutional crisis”. Face it head on. Give us an election. Allow the “coalition” to establish their platform, and then take it to the voters.
The Stunning Idiocy Award in all of this goes to Layton.
All he has accomplished is to polarize public opinion around an issue that only has two sides to it, which sooner or later will be settled in an election by voting Liberal or Conservative.
People will not vote for another coalition, period.
As the polls results consistently have shown, support for the NDP has tanked back to their base support…which is worth about a dozen seats.
Atta boy, Laydown! You da man!
Montreal Simon made my eyes hurt. And my brain, too.
That blogger, ‘Montreal Simon’ is one sick puppy. Anyone who can seriously type stuff like this might want to up their medication dose, or take up meditation or yoga or something:
‘And WTF is happening to the rest of the country? Does it really hate Quebec….or Gilles Duceppe… THAT much?’
‘the evil Con government of Stephen Harper. The tyrant who has raped our country, and shutdown our Parliament.’
To expand on my previous post, Montreal Simon refers to the democratically chosen leader of the Canadian political party that democratically won the most seats in the last election as ‘the tyrant who has raped our country’. And these kinds of people want Harper to be more cooperative and accomodating? They wnder why Harper plays hardball?
Kate…I an NOT taking the news rather hard. It’s just a little gloomy out here. Are you telling me it’s sunny in Saskatchewan? Or that you wouldn’t jump on a plane to Tahiti if you could? Or that that Stephen Harper’s days aren’t numbered? C’mon I don’t believe you…
As for you Dean…REALLY.How could you say my blog hurts your eyes AND your brain. Get a pair of glasses and bigger brain eh? 🙂
Heh heh heh…
He who gloats last gloats better…
Dion’s last desperate gasp for a power grab failed miserably and the Liberal Party is going to pay the price for it for a while to come – the electorate is now aware of the party’s duplicity in the “coup” and they don’t like it, and they now do not trust the Liberals as much as they once did. Trying to get into bed with the separatists and the NDP (a party that regularly gets only 15% of the vote) and giving them power does not sit well with Canadians and it has exposed the Liberals power-hungry ways.
Also, despite the msm spin on it all the polling shows more support for the anti-coalition…could an added bonus to all this be that people are at least beginning to see through some of the msm spin?
It appears that Harper will have to get a million percent of the vote to be recognized by the MSM and the no-hopers as being the officially-recognized Prime Minister of Canada.
“It’s just not right! It’s not supposed to be this way! Someone stole it from us! It’s not fair! Let’s gang up on the winner! Where’s my money! We demand justice! Harper sucks! We’re so lame and unprincipled that we cannot gracefully accept the fact that we lost! Voters are stupid and cannot be trusted!
Behind all this is the disappointment that there is not now a left-leaning government in synch with the US.
Simon,
The colours on your site are horrific from a design perspective – I can easily understand how someone would call it painful to look at.
And as for Harper’s days being numbered, well…if the “Coalition” keeps it up the only numbered days for Harper are the minority ones as he’ll probably get a majority if we get another election.
He who gloats fails due to hubris.
“He who gloats last gloats better…”
Let us all remember this pathetic line and repeat it to the poor baby, a multitude of times, after the next election.
I’m not the least bit surprised that Iggy didn’t give the Libs a bounce in the polls. He handled the coalition situation very badly. He failed to show leadership by staying virtually silent throughout. He signed on what Dion was doing then later said it would have been a catastrophe. He’s boxed himself in as far as any possibility of a coalition come January 27th. He wouldn’t just be following Dion into a catastrophe at that point, but leading us there.
Those people who didn’t know Iggy and were looking to form an opinion of him got precious little confirmation that he is the intellect he’s claimed to be.
Phil, I like your point that Harper should “include the public financing cuts in the budget.” He could insulate himself from accusations that he was springing it on the opposition by having the cut come into effect in 2010, then assume a populist stance and ask Iggy and Rae why they don’t think they should share the economic pain being felt by ordinary Canadians. It would be so easy to paint the Libs and Dippers as being selfish to the point of being too lazy to get off their butts and raise their own money.
And hubris is a killer. I always find it ironic that Harper is called “arrogant” by the left. Psychological projection again.
Apparently, “arrogant” now means confident, reserved, patient, dignified, fair-minded, and not a looney.
If Harper waits until just before the per vote income for each party is due then delays payment because of the economy he will be a winner. Challenge the other parties to forgo their payments for the good of health care, education or job retraining in these tough economic times. Talk about a poison pill, any party that took a political handout under these circumstances would be toast. Shame the shameless bastards, if that’s possible.
Perhaps I saw this concept here (I forget) but one idea regarding leftists is that they establish themselves as being flawed (just like everyone else) and thus deserve to lead since they represent the “real” people since they are “like them”.
Out the door goes striving to excel, in-comes standing on the shoulders of mentally-challenged social levellers.
Unfortunately for lefties the flaws tend to accumulate and define the breed, not to mention polluting the rest of society.
“I think Harper should include the public financing cuts in the budget. He’s got the $3.3 billion stimulus so there’s not really a good reason why the liberals can vote it down. They’ll get there compromise and a shot in the foot at the same time ”
I agree!!
Horny Toad
Sounds pretty much like my overly dramatic 15 year-old daughter when things don’t quite go her way. Not unexpected from somebody who uses halloween colours as background/text for a website.
Just another helpful hint, Simon – you want people to read your site with any regularity, change the background colour of your page to white or light yellow with black text. As an added bonus, you can put more histrionic words on the page as you can reduce the font size and weight. If you really can’t lose the drama, at least use a text box in the aforementioned colours to contain your posts. Your readers will thank you for it.
Tho’ something tells me you won’t take the advice. Drama being more important than reason.
Remember, folks, Michael Ignatieff was not elected leader of the Liberal Party, he was selected. Not in anyone’s imagination, but in point of fact. It was all done as a back-room deal.
Henceforth, let’s all try to remember to speak of Iggy as “the unelected leader of the Liberal Party.”
Really rub it in, whenever you get the chance!
“Selected, not elected.” Bwaahahaha!
Sounds pretty much like my overly dramatic 15 year-old daughter when things don’t quite go her way.
Jan, an interesting theory might be that leftists are basically, when it comes down to it, “overly dramatic 15 year-old girls”.
Really, think about it: obsessed with appearance, oblivious to reality, overly concerned with what others think, playing popularity games, ignorant regarding anything outside their sphere of knowledge…
Of course, this is a stereotype and I may burn in hell for suggesting such a thing.
The difference is that most 15 year-old girls eventually grow up.
Is Simon mental?
Just curious; won’t CAW financial support for the NDP in Ontario pretty much dry up if the Auto sector doesn’t get a bailout? I’m assuming that a LOT of unemployed auto workers aren’t going to be too thrilled about paying union dues, and especially not political contributions(?). They really only have two choices (well, three if you count staying home); vote Liberal in the hope that the gravy train comes back through town, or vote Conservative based on the reality that they’ll likely have a majority and it’s always nice to be on the winning team…
Hell, why would anyone throw their vote to Layton’s crew? Even the media admit that’s a dead horse.
In case BC news doesn’t make it past Revelstoke, the BCTF is busy trying to scuttle the BC branch of the NDP’s chances in the upcoming Provincial Election:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hoY4ldxZqczFMzn2E_SbcrmbqHhg
Ther common ‘leftie’ does not understand success.They have been raised to believe that everyone and everything is equal. When someone reaches the top of their game as PMSH has,they cannot attribute it to hard work,ability,and sacrifice. To them,anyone that has reached the top has just had to have someone evil behind the scene pulling strings,”like c’mon we are all equal,I am as smart as him”. That mindset is exploited by the likes of Layton and whomever is leading the liberals at the time.They do not understand the principles of achievement,and when others rise above,they feel cheated.It is a pity.
Sorry,that was a little off-topic. The coverage today on cbc portrayed the meeting between PMSH and the’selected'( I like that) one, as Iggy going in and making ‘Harpo’understand that the libs had the country behind him and Harper better smarten up. What a joke. I would guess that PMSH explained the situation as it is,and iggy will be spending a few days digesting reality before he responds.
Take this poll with a grain of salt. The Liberals haven’t done any advertising of Ignatieff yet. Only once Canadians get to know him better, will these poll results will hold more value.
Has anyone noted the remarkable similarity
between Michael Ignatieff and John Kerry?
Not just the physical resemblance
but also the way they speak
and the pompously stupid things
they have to say.
Only once Canadians get to know him better, will these poll results will hold more value.
Posted by: John at December 13, 2008 3:36 AM
Conservative bowels are loosening as you speak. Run away,run away.
Never have I laughed so hard reading the comments on here, then Dear Simon’s post and then the comments there, including some brilliant ones from you all.
Like Phil, I also burst out laughing at Simon’s line, “I still think if English Canadians can be shown how beautiful [the Coalition] is ….” Indeed, the discarding of our democracy, the attempted unseating of a newly elected government in a Putsch-like manner never before attempted in Canadian history is clearly a thing of “beauty” … if your first name happens to be Josef or Adolf or Fidel or Kim-Jong. Never before have I realized how HDS (Harper Derangement Syndrome) could twist someone’s mind around to so easily discard our entire democratic tradition.
And then Jan, a social worker from the Bruce Peninsula, shows up and offers this gem of wisdom: “The family pact class hates the coalition as it puts democracy in the hands of the people rather than in the hands of backroom dealers, moneyed elite, and the power brokers.”
I’ve never heard the term “family pact class” before but then I never took Women’s Studies 101 or Sociology 666. Perhaps it means those of us who care about a healthy family unit as the basis for a strong & stable society? And yet Jan’s the one who goes in to help families in trouble? God help them! I mean that literally, God help any clients of a person who thinks like that.
Her closing comments about the Coalition being free of “backroom dealers, moneyed elite, and the power brokers” is beyond naive. Clearly she knows not a thing about Power Corp. and its influence over every single gov’t for 40 years up until Harper. Clearly she knows not a thing about how the upper echelons of the Liberal Party are frequently married to the elites in the MSM. Ignorance is bliss but for the likes of Jan it’s the equivalent of a religious calling!
Then came a flood of SDA’ers, including this beauty: “Give it a rest you Bolsheviks.” This was followed by some longer comments from MB Mike, Horny Toad, & Pat. Good attempt at edification of Simon & His Clubhouse pals but it’ll all be to no avail. Jack Layton could come out in January and say, “Olivia and I have conducted an online poll of our supporters and have concluded that upon sober thought, the Coalition is not a good idea for the NDP”, and Simon et al would STILL think it was a beautiful thing to behold. Oh yes, Power without the People Voting – So, So Beautiful!
Scary, scary, scary folks.
Quick Follow-up:
Being the “political social worker” that I strive to be at times, I couldn’t resist but to visit Jan the Social Worker from the Bruce Peninsula. I came across this posting: http://janfromthebruce.blogspot.com/2008/12/question-for-libs-and-iggy.html
Here’s the comment I left her:
Can I ask you a simple question, Jan?
Thinking ahead a few years, let’s say the situation was reversed and the Liberals or the NDP had just been elected as the minority government of Canada. Imagine that out on the Prairies a Christian Heritage Party reemerged like in times past in our history.
Based on your principles to be consistent in your views, would it be correct to conclude that had the Conservatives and this Christian Heritage Party formed a Coalition that you would fully acknowledge it as the legitimate Government of Canada? Clearly you wouldn’t be a supporter of theirs but you would fully support their right to govern?
Simon – I’d like to encourage you to reduce your CO2 production.
Global warming and all that stuff, y’know.
jlc
Simon – I’d like to encourage you to reduce your CO2 production.
Global warming and all that stuff, y’know.
jlc
Sorry for dp
“As for you Dean…REALLY.How could you say my blog hurts your eyes AND your brain.”
Because it did.
That colour scheme made me feel like I just got back from ‘Nam. I’m still seeing spots. You are doing a disservice for the four or five percent of Canadians that are supporting the Coalition and want to read your fine prose.
“As for you Dean…REALLY.How could you say my blog hurts your eyes AND your brain.”
Because it did.
That colour scheme made me feel like I just got back from ‘Nam. I’m still seeing spots. You are doing a disservice to the handful of people that are supporting the Coalition and deserve to read your prose.
I think we should have a vote to change your colour scheme. The second, third and fourth choices win.
does the country hate the people of quebec? only those who want to destroy the country. a vote for the bloc is a vote to destroy canada. if you vote for the bloc join the hate list and the list of traitors. simon, get some critical analysis skills.
I’m not one to gloat, but (ahem), I knew Harper would come out of this smelling like a rose.
Let’s face it, simple Simon lives in Montreal , he and his little friends are licking their lips, waiting for all that extra money to flow to Montreal and the rest of Quebec, if the Bloc gets the power .
Captain CSL Iggy reporting for duty, Madame G-G.
Captain CSL Mikhailevich Iggy is a control freak, a bully, a neo-con; Tsar/Czar Iggy.
Iggy is Ad$Cam Paul Martin Jr’s Frankenstein son.
…-
“Liberals’ new captain tidies up the ship
New Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff told his troops there will be no freelancing; the Liberal Party will now speak with one voice and it will be his, according to an insider.” (nnw)
Well.
I hope Simon doesn’t play with firecrackers. When I got to the word “…HOPE…”? I had to get out of my truck having almost thrown up.
Bring an election. Let’s just get it done and get back to business.
gordinkneehill: “Remember, folks, Michael Ignatieff was not elected leader of the Liberal Party, he was selected … It was all done as a back-room deal.”
And go back further.
Count Iggy was “selected” in his Lakeshore riding, too. The duly elected Liberal candidate, who had lived in the riding all his life, was rudely shoved aside, and The Iggster was parachuted in from the hallowed, ivory towers of Hahvahd, I think because he LOOKED good and had a “family pact” pedigree–his Ignatieff/Grant family was certainly part of the Canadian “moneyed [sic] elite” and were “power brokers.”
Just to repeat for Jan what she obviously doesn’t know: The political party of the “backroom dealers, moneyed elite, and the power brokers” is the Liberal Party of Canada: Power Corp, the Desmarais Family, Mo Strong, John Rae, France Chretien (married to Andre Desmarais), etc., etc. Jan had better do her homework if she doesn’t want to look like a total fool.
She might want to begin by looking up “bagmen.”
“I think Harper should include the public financing cuts in the budget”
Absolutely – and he can say it is because the previous liberal government stole the EI money and he only has a year to pay it back so he has to find the money from somewhere.
Zing….Zing – two shots in one!!
Is there footage of Ed Broadbent singing “Happy Days are Here Again” after leaving his meeting with Cretien? That’s the image of the coalition that sticks in my mind. It was gruesome.
‘a small sliver of doubt crept into my soul”……….”a beautiful baby’…..
reads to me as though Simon is channeling Rosemary Woodhouse and Minnie Castevet.
Iggy has a pile to learn about the realities politics. He’ll find it somewhat unnerving to hear about himself in print and other media outlets. He’ll have to get used to hearing about stuff he may have long forgotten.
Michael Coren has a good take on him in the Ottawa Sun today:”Loyal Liberals? Coren writes Iggy told him fifteen years ago he had no interest in returning to Canada.
Isn’t it precious how His Arrogance now expects the masses to soak up his professorial piffle and drivel as he goes forth to rub shoulders with the Rubes and smells the barns. He’ll learn quickly he’s dealing with people who know crap when they see it.
The gall of the man is astounding, it certainly exceeds his political experience.
The problem with the coalition, as Simon has pointed out, is that they have no SONGS!
How can you have a decent coup without a song for crying out loud?
May I suggest Coalition Uber Alles?