The ball has begun to roll;
However, if the government does fall and unelectable Dion gets to be Canada’s unelected PM, Steady Eddie hints at a Plan B.
“We do have a strategy in place,” he reveals. Then clams up. “I’m not going to play the cards until we know who we are dealing with,” he says. “And what the issues are.”
But the premier’s office phone lines were buzzing yesterday.
There’s talk of a Coalition West to fight off the eastern invaders.
Saskatchewan’s solid Premier Brad Wall is contacted. So is B.C.’s flaky Gordon Campbell.
“I’m here to represent the best interests of Albertans,” Stelmach vows. “And to protect Albertans.
Via Darcey
Keep calling your MLA’s.
Oh man, I want details. Making Calgary the de facto Western capital? Wasn’t their news earlier today about a financial hub in Western Canada?
Let the Liberal party mandarins contemplate this for a bit…
My 13 year old daughter just finished telling me that her entire 8th grade class discussed this coalition issue, and were joined by the principal and vice-principal during the discussion.
The entire class unanimously denounced the coalition, and placed blame on the Liberal Party and Dion. They decided that the GG should call an election.
Think of it, an entire class of 13 year olds, 5 years away from voting, now turned off the Liberal brand.
In the GTA, yet. And these kids do not inhabit the upper middle class (not from Tory households, in other words).
Well done you Liberal idiots.
The Republic of Alberta.
Vive do Alberta! Libre!
Let’s hope Stelmach has the cajones for this battle and that he can shed his ‘Special Ed’ image that although not entirely fair, is not entirely false.
Stelmach is sadly not Klein. Klein would be giving out the terms for staying in Canada by now.
As a Yank, I have no room to wag my finger here, our having elected our first Kenyan, Communist President … but are the Canadian people going to let this coalition of power-humgry, amoral election LOSER SOBs get away with this putsch?
Dave, probably. We’re Canadians, after all. Righteous, compromising, come to mind. Kneepads, too.
Kate:
A while back, I read a list of all the MPs and what they donated to their Federal Political Parties.. I think it would be interesting to see that again.. could really shed some light on the Federal $1.95 Party
I wonder what would happen if the Governor General was approached by the premieres of more than half of the provinces and territories who all claimed that the coalition of the Bloc, Liberals and NDP would form an illegitimate government.
For those of you Christians that think rebellion against an unjust gov’t is not biblically permissible read the puritan Samuel Rutherford’s “Lex Rex or the Law and the Prince” or read “a Defence of Liberty Against Tyrants” by Junius Brutus a book popular before the French Revolution.
FREE THE WEST!
Free the West but cut Vancouver adrift (I know because I live there – it’s like Toronto but worse, even more smug and self-indulgent.)
Sorry Kyle
We will have a 3 Stanly Cup minimum requirement, or a combined 6 Stanly/Grey cup minimum for the Capital of Western Canada.
I was born in Toronto raised in Vancouver but went to Alberta as fast as I could.
FREE THE WEST
“As a Yank, I have no room to wag my finger here, our having elected our first Kenyan, Communist President … but are the Canadian people going to let this coalition of power-humgry, amoral election LOSER SOBs get away with this putsch?”
Canadians probably will. Albertans likely will not. There is a high liklihood that Alberta will take their riches and start a new country of their own. Saskatchewan MAY come along afterwards, possibly B.C. after a decade or so. Manitoba likely will stay Canadian.
Its time to stop and take a look at the western provinces’ role in Federation. Is there the political continuity across the west to start a formal pact/agreement to present to Ottawa? Either we regionally unite on this issue or we will be picked apart by an Ottawa that has lost its sanity.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Indiana Homez:
Thats just fine by me, I will sit in my Oilers recliner and watch the events unfold.
Harper will dismess the GG and appoint a preferable one (Flanagan?)
It’s the best option he has left. Then we’ll see how serious they are about trying to form a government.
Jon:
A total non-starter of an idea.
Shaken, all this proves is that the principal and vice-principal of this school are indoctrinating your young children with anti-liberal mentality instead of guiding children to think for themselves. Most thirteen year-old children do not have a good grasp of politics and just spew out the garbage their parents (in this case teachers/principles) teach them, conservative or liberal. Also, to Darcy, Stephan Dion would not be “un-elected”. Canadians DO NOT elect Prime Ministers. We elect MPs: the legislature. Whichever group of MPs can get together and form a government has the right to do so. To confuse this issue as undemocratic is incredibly misleading. Americans elect Presidents, we elect Members of Parliament. Although you would all be in the right to refer to this as a nasty power grab or “political game” it is far from undemocratic.
Not nearly strong enough language on Stelmach’s part. He needs (as does Wall) to say that one of the options is to have a referendum asking ABans (SKians) for the authority to renegotiate the terms of union WITHIN confederation.
I have made this point to dozens of people who have called me today. And I ask the supplemental question “what do you think that would do to Ed’s popularity?”
To a person they have all replied almost verbatim “it would go through the roof”. With a hard public line like that above and a massive surge in popularity, it would send as clear a message as we can in the West that we mean business – that this coalition and the actions it plans to take will be resisted to the fullest.
If the ROC chooses to ignore that signal and catastropy happens to this union, we can aleast say with a clear conscience that they were given fair warning.
By Stelmach continuing to give ambiguous, couched words he is putting this country in jeopardy. And the people of the West will be partly to blame if we do not bring enough pressure to bear in him to take such action.
To borrow the motto of Virginia: “Sic semper tyrannis!”
Wrong Rog. Principal and vice-principal were observers. Surprised you didn’t realize that the point was the no indoctrination was taking place – in a public school setting yet.
These were 13 year olds seeing for themselves how scumbags operate, and reaching their own conclusion. And turned off the Liberal brand, probably for the rest of their lives.
Futhermore, give the “don’t elect PM’s” meme a rest. Every party runs their leader as PM.
Shaken:
Encouraging news from the capital of Canadian marxist thought.
I am totally confident the teacher presented all the options to the students.
And, if it does reflect the outrage of their parents, then it confirms what the radio talk show guy from Toronto was telling the Duffy panel (with Rutherford and Adler).
Vive le Canada libre!
Like any spoiled brat, it’s time to wean Quebec off our money and let them pay their own bills.
With the price of oil around $50 a barrel, there won’t be as much to go around anyway.
I’m praying more Torontonians will snap out of their marxist robotic state and finally see what’s happening to our wonderful country.
Rog… even 13 year old children know how the system and real world work. Most Canadians could care less about who their MP is as long as they represent a certain party. Some places you could run a mailbox for a popular party and the mailbox would be their MP. This is not the US House of Representatives or US Senate. I vote for members of Congress. Canadians vote for MPs who sit on their hands and vote the party line.
It is pretty sad when 13 year olds in public school know this putsch is morally flawed. Like all left wing institutions, their attempts to brainwash kids have failed. There is hope for the future in Canada.
Bit of desperation creeping into this board.
Harper blew it. He didn’t win a majority. He lost the support of Parliament. Get used to it.
Bit of desperation creeping into this board.
Harper blew it. He didn’t win a majority. He lost the support of Parliament. Get used to it.
rog
I had a very strong understanding of Canadian gov’t and politics by grade 8 (13yrs old). Both of my daughters 9 and 13 understand Canadian and American politics; and, I don’t indoctrinate them. I challenge their thinking by relating current issues to situations they can relate to. That being said, I had one McCain kid and one Obama kid; but, both of them felt that PMSH was best suited for PM based on the debate we all watched.
Bang on Shaken
I find it Ironic the left who loathe imperialism are now demanding the Queen grant them power. It reminds me of Lords petitioning the King to grant the Lords the power to control and tax the peasants.
The new logo for the Lib/NDP/BLOC should be:
HOORAY FOR IMPERIALISM!
“Stelmach is sadly not Klein. Klein would be giving out the terms for staying in Canada by now.”
Sorry the Klein that ruled Alberta talked tough and withered at the first sign of objection from Eastern Canada. He never brought in an Alberta Pension Plan, an Alberta Police Force or any of the other things that would have protected Alberta.
Stop the presses. Go to Bourque.
Lloyd Fister:
Dion did even worse.
And he got fired.
How can we miss him if he won’t go away?
Sign the petition
http://www.petitiononline.com/CANADIAN/petition.html
Mr. Fister
Harper made a mistake. He retracted, offered further concessions. The opposition offered absolutely nothing in return except an unbridled lust for power. You support an immoral, undemocratic coalition. You’re hatred for Harper exceeds your love for Canada. You are emotionally unstable. Seek help.
Lloyd, finally a sane voice in the nut factory.
This is Canadian democracy in action folks, love it or leave it and for gods sake, suck it up.
Since Harper has lost the confidence of the house the Liberals and NDP are forming the legitimate government of Canada with the cooperation of the democratically elected MPs from the Bloc Party. If you don’t like the law of the land, you know where the border is.
I remember well, the Constitutional battle of the 1980s.
Many differences this time around.
Back then, one energy producing province – now, five.
Much of the financial power has since shifted west. It is now possible.
Dion is not popular anywhere in Canada.
The second time around (true with anything), people are much more skeptical and prepared. They see the pieces falling into place and can take action earlier and more effectively.
Also, this time the industrial heartland is scared stiff of the coalition’s intentions.
Just a few floor-crossings this time would put out the fire.
But, IMO, the most important difference now is the Internet. Last time around, the people had to wait for the media to provide the (filtered) news. Organizing was difficult and slow.
What is left of the Liberal grassroots is restless?
Iggy might save Canada from itself.
Do you think that Dion and Layton truly in their heart of marxist hearts believe that we the stupid people got in wrong in voting for Stephen Harper as our Prime Minister.
Marxist/socialists always believe that the ruling elite are the only ones who know what’s best for the peon masses.
Maybe they think they are just righting our own big stupid uneducated mistake and we should be so happy that they found a way to save us from ourselves.
“Free the West but cut Vancouver adrift (I know because I live there – it’s like Toronto but worse, even more smug and self-indulgent.)”
We (in Vancouver) could always just charter a bunch of buses…want to stay in Torontanada? Fine! Report to your assigned bus staging area.
One only need to look at this situation and parallels with Trudeau’s NEP to see the repercussions of this coalition government for national unity. It will make NEP look tame.
Trudeau, love him or hate him, at least had a properly elected government. Despite that, westerners have never forgiven or forgotten. In this situation, the coalition has no mandate from voters – 0% of Canadians voted for a coalition. In fact, during the election, Dion expressly said that he would never form a coalition with the NDP. But now this coalition is effectively replacing western voter’s voices with Quebec separatists. A coalition of this nature who enacts any legislation that negatively effects the west will be sowing seeds of western alienation that will live forever. A resentment that will spawn a threat to national unity that can never be undone.
The western premiers must talk and act decisively to protect their citizens. They should talk to the GG to help her understand the potential fallout.
One of my favourite lines is:
“THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE CRAP”
Keep it in mind folks as we fight the GOOD fight for what we hold dear.
It ain’t over yet…by a longshot!
Duffy had the talk show hosts from across Canada on for a bit, and I was heartened to have them present their listeners’ almost unanimous condemnation of the proposed putsch.
Maybe there’s some hope in Canada yet.
Has anyone gotten the news that Danny Williams says he can work with the Liberal NDP coalition? Not a mention on the CTV ticker tape scroll of the Bloc being involved. That little prick Williams is certainly pretty cocky acting like the nouveau riche hick tossing his weight around. Apparently he’s forgotten the many years the rest of Canada paid equalization to his province. Now he thinks it’s OK to support a cabal of fools with a Separatist holding veto power.
The media is still trying to cal it a pact between the Libs and Dips but without the Bloc they’re toast.
Also today we hear from Lizzie May who will support the unholy alliance and would like to get her arse in a Senate seat. Beautiful stuff indeed.
Mr. Harper had better get busy and fill the vacant Senate seats, to hell with principles, they don’t matter to anyone else in the HOC. Power trumps all for the Opposition and we do not want them in power.
Jacques Parizeau has surfaced as a new fan of Dion’s after all these years! Great help to Dion’s quest to become PM of Canada to have such an extreme Separatist in his corner. He’s just been run over by a bus.
Bourque, bought and paid for by the Tories, has no real sources and has a pretty good record for calling things wrong.
The talk at the hospital is that our business with central Canada may be shortly concluded. Let us now form our own state and go forth independently.
All we have to do is put a spike belt on the Trans-Canada somewhere between Thunder Bay and Ignace, that should disable the Canadian Army jeep, and then declare independence, see if anyone cares enough to dispute it.
Good luck to Toronto and Montreal paying their welfare bills without our western resource money to help them.
Oh wait, they can always sell maple syrup. And Kinsella can do an extra press run on his very formidable book, what was it called, “Everyone’s a Nazi but Me?” I use it to nail spiders.
“Shaken, all this proves is that the principal and vice-principal of this school are indoctrinating your young children with anti-liberal mentality”
As opposed to an anti-conservative mentality.
Horny Toad
All we have to do is support Quebec in it’s bid for independence. Once they are our of federation the west will control with one majority after another and Toronto won’t be able to do a thing about it.
At a certain point, enough people get fed up with the sleazy deals and the corruption. You get a critical mass of people who just aren’t going to take it any more.
That’s what formed the trade union movement in this country, one too many sleazy corrupt politicians made one too many idiot blunders, and there were -riots-. Lots of them.
Could be we are getting there again. We shall no doubt see.
I wonder how Danny Williams will feel when he is the only “have” province left in Canada after the west separates?
Lloyd Fister, Dion, Dion and Duceppe lied to the Canadian people when they, now on the public record, explicitly denied they would pursue a coaltion with each other.
Get used to it.