Kate - did you hear that Stephen Harper was aware of this coalition power play weeks ago - that no matter what was in any budget, bill or government motion - that the fix was in to vote non confidence and stage a coup.

Could that be why he inserted the political campaign funding measure - to give these opportunists a self serving entitlement hook so they would look selfish when the voted him down?

The clear difference between Quebec seperatist whining and Western seperatist standing.
Quebec has always wanted money from Ottawa, and played the game.
Alberta doesn't need Ottawa's money.

So, you attended a rally in 1988...that led to almost 2 decades in the political wilderness. Are you saying that 15 years from now the Conservatives will be elected again?

*Dalton thinks things are Tough Now, just wait!
Ontario will be Screwed More Then Ever With the Majority Monies in any Deal going to Quebec.

*Charest better Pray he wins beacause if the PQ win's the Fix is in! the wheels are in motion for the Destruction of Canada as we Know it.

*And Danny Remember The NEP ? You just put the Boots to the People of Nfld. with all your abc shit.

Maybe Harper should replace the G.G. I was thinking about this yesterday - who would make a good G.G.?

I first thought of Preston Manning, or, keeping with the female theme, how about Deb Grey? Nice gal. I met her once after a political forum in her old riding of Beaver River when it was the Reform Party. Talked to her for about 30 minutes. (O/T: back then she told me they wanted to impliment a flat tax!)

Actually I'd prefer the Governor General be Ralph Klien just to piss off the latte crowd, but the cleanup involved as a result of exploding left-lib heads would prove to be an economic burden.

I'd also like to see premier Stelmach turn off the taps. True, the east buys their oil from the middle east, but how else could we withold money from this impending troika of drunken sailors?

side bar....I've been to Fort McMurry numerous times. I've rented an airplane once and flew over Syncrude, Suncor and a few of the smaller plants up there. If one were to total up the number of 'smokestacks' at all of these plants, there is NO WAY IN HELL anyone could prove to me that there is more polution being spewed from this one small city of 60,0000 than all of the factories, foundries and chemical plants in eastern Canada. What's that? Eastern auto plants are exempt from Kyoto? My bad.

Enough already. I think its high time the razor wire gets installed along the continental divide in the Rockies and on the Sask/Man. border.

@#$% the eastern Canadian coalition of sissy boy socialists.

Kate, I'm just sick about what's happening here, and I am afraid that without a huge outcry against this coup d'etat, it may just be succesful. I need to ask a question that I haven't seen raised. Usually we see the GG in the purely ceremonial role and we think its a pretty benign job. For the most part many of us have chosen to ignore what a poor choice Ms. Jean was (see Ezra Levants blog). We realize that as the Queen's representative she confers governing status on the "winning party" as a constitutional matter. This is a vestige of our history, and it's how our British type of parliamentary system works.

1. What does the Queen have to say about this? Can she control what the GG does? Can she relieve the GG of her responsiblities and do the job herself?
2. What will compel Stephen Harper to move aside and let these traitorous fools move into the PMO's office and change sides in the House?

I would like to hear from some of your more knowledgeable bloggers on this. Thanks

I know quite a few people in Alberta who are not supporters of the Conservative party and have voted for the Liberals (and Green party) in the past. So far, every one of them is angry about this proposed coalition because they had supported the Liberals because they believed they were fiscally conservative (something they're abandoning by joining with the NDP) and that the Liberals stood for a strong united Canada (something they're abandoning by joining with the Bloc).

I am starting to hope the coalition is able to pull down the government and the governor general chooses to send us into another election. I expect the Conservatives would get the majority they desired in the previous election, and the Liberals will have their worst showing in history.

Marie- yes, I agree with you. I think that Harper knew about this attempted coup, which we now know was planned months ago.

Layton-Dion-Duceppe's agenda was to vote against a financial bill, any bill, presumably the budget in February, and take down the govt. Then, immediately offer themselves as a coalition, already geared up and ready-to-go, rather than an election.
It was a strategy to gain power without an election. Profoundly undemocratic.

I think that Harper knew - well, we know he knew - those leaked tapes of Layton's conference all prove it - and he planned to push them into going public about their coalition. That is, their plan was to stay hidden, and then, jump in right after the February budget defeat. He called them out, so that, the public would have the right to know and choose.

He did this by his tactic of presenting a 'fiscal update' based around financial restrain within government. Asking the civil service to restrain their wages demands for 2 years to the same increases as in the private sector of 1.5% rather than their demands for 3 times that. Asking political parties to stop feeding off the taxpayer and return to private donations. The NDP-Lib-Bloc fell all over this and announced their coalition.

Think what they have done. This coalition sets up Canada as a colony of Quebec. NO VOTE, NO MOTION of the House will be approved without the Bloc. Nothing gets done without the Bloc. The Bloc is a party totally isolated from Canadians. The only people allowed to vote for it are in one province, Quebec. Over 80% of the Canadian electorate have no vote in their decisions. That turns us into a colony of Quebec.

Remember the US Revolution? It was against Britain making decisions about the US without Americans having any vote in the matter.
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.

That's what's being set up here in Canada. Taxation without representation. Government without representation. This NDP-Liberal-Bloc coalition is now signed. It's public. They are planning to set up we Canadians as a colony of Quebec.

We need an election. And this election would have to be based on this question. Do we want freedom or do we want to be a colony? Since the NDP, Liberals, Bloc have now signed an agreement, they can't pretend in an election to campaign only as separate and even competitive parties.
No - they've made it clear that they are a coalition - and that this coalition puts ONE province in control of ALL of Canada - and without any representation from Canada.

NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Are the out of their minds?

We need an election.

The Lieberal Party is confidently marching to destruction. Please keep the road clear in front of them.

Thanks Jack, Canada owes you big time.

Born and/or raised in Quebec

Layton
Duceppe
Dion
Jean

Those having known separatist support:

Duceppe
Jean

And these are the fools that could be running the country.

This is a Quebec Coup d'etat.

I am from the Communist Capital of Windsor,ON. ruled by CAW thugs and I support Stephen Harper as do many.
Please do not give me the BS about moving out west as our presence is needed here more than ever to expose the left.

At least Judas held out for thirty pieces of silver.

The Unholy Alliance betrayed Canadian voters for $1.95

Federal website states that 25% of the Quebec provincial govt revenue comes from transfer payments from the federal govt.
That is $16 billion out of their total provincial govt revenues of $48 billion comes from taxpayers in the rest of Canada.

I want to thank Mr Duceppe for drawing attention to this fact and showing his fine business mind to the rest of Canada.
Lets see now, should I choose $16 billion or $1.95?

It'll make negotiations in the next round of equalization payments so much easier to figure out.
That is, if Western Canada is still around to be part of them.

After all, as NDP Pat Martin so eloquently stated, this means War.

Barb Johnston says "So, you attended a rally in 1988...that led to almost 2 decades in the political wilderness. Are you saying that 15 years from now the Conservatives will be elected again?"

No, my guess would be that the Liberals and the NDP will never again be elected outside of the (soon to be) rust triangle. But then they don't have the nads to go to an election because they know they will get slaughtered.

This Hugo Chavez coup d'état was being planned by the opposition criminals all along. This is the time for Western Canada to give the finger to Ottawa and go independent. Mark my words: after this act, designed to kill democracy in this country, Canada will split in half, and it's been long overdue.

WHO WANTS OUT? YOU MAY BE SUPRISED!

http://poll.pollcode.com/h1p

Outrageous! Will Canada be run by a triad of power hungry idiots?

Canadians did not vote for this coalition. If these three opposition parties feel they have something to offer as a viable coalition party, then they should develop a new platform and run their candidates in the next federal election.

Under no circumstances should they be allowed to govern without first facing the electors.

john luft - I think you are correct. We must have an election.

What the NDP-Liberals-Bloc are setting up is a travesty. They are setting up Canada as a colony of Quebec. They have put one party, the party that is legally out of the electoral reach of over 80% of Canadians, that is available only to people of one province, Quebec, as the KEY to all Motions in the House.
No Motion is allowed without the Bloc's approval.

This is setting up the Bloc as the King, the Emperor, of Canada. The Bloc must sign its agreement or - the Motion fails.

The similarity to the cause of the American Revolution is obvious; Britain was taxing Americans without allowing them a vote.

We must have an election to prevent this overthrow of democracy in Canada. We don't want to be made a colony of Quebec!

But, the NDP-Libs-Bloc will obviously do anything to prevent an election. Anything. That's because, since they have publicly signed an agreement that sets up Canada as a colony, the voters will be voting on that in an election. Canadians will fight for their freedom and will reject losing it.

"So, you attended a rally in 1988...that led to almost 2 decades in the political wilderness. Are you saying that 15 years from now the Conservatives will be elected again?"

When someone says something like this they clearly don't understand a damn thing about Canadian politics. Evidently we have a Conservative party in Canada that looks nothing like the Brian Mulroney Tories of 1988. Yes it was quite painful getting where we are now, but it worked. So now, not only the west but rural Ontario, Quebec and parts of the Maritimes have some real conservative representation. If these socialist loons take the rightfully bestowed power from Harper's minority, then everyone of those groups will be alienated from the process, and those in the west may no longer be interested in Canada. It won't be 15 years when the Conservatives will be elected again, it will be 5 years when the Country no longer exists. Seems apparent to me that the only way to get in on the conversation as shown by Quebec is to threaten divorce!

Visiting Jack Layton's web page (www.ndp.ca/jacklayton) this morning to send a message about my displeasure (read outrage) at his and Dion's high-jacking of our government, lo and behold, I found Layton hasn't changed his personal web page since before the election! (six weeks after the election strikes me as awfully slow on the uptake, but I guess he's been busy doing other things... like conniving his way into power. And this from a guy who is promising to act more speedily on the global economic crisis?
Kind of creepy too that you can still read how he wants to be Prime Minister.

The last words on his web page remain: -"Alongside an extraordinary team of New Democrat candidates, Jack Layton is applying for a new job: Prime Minister of Canada.
A Prime Minister who'll put you and your family first.
Don't let them tell you it can't be done!

Well said ET.
I have emailed the Western Provinces separation to Lorne Gunter with copies to Taliban Jack, Citoyen Dion and the marxist Duceppe.
They know (or certainly their staffs do) what is taking place out west.
They have started a separation movement and the internet is an intgral part of that movement.

Hey Simeon,
I'm down here in the gulag too. Thanks for showing me a lonely hand in a crowd of strangers. I always feel alone down here. If I don't hear crickets when I talk about politics, it's lefty gibberish. But I refuse to stop spreading the truth about the LEFT'S hidden agenda (Kyoto, Uncle Mo, Al Gore, CHRC, etc.).
This whole coalition crap makes me sick. No need to rehash all of the reasons better said by much smarter folk.
Point is...I'm trying my best to explain in simple terms why The Coalition of the Swilling is so bad for the country. They don't seem to get it. And it's not just the CAW fools (many of which are just giddy right now, by the way) it's people I once thought intelligent.
Let them know why this is happening. How it was planned, who did it, possible outcomes, market dips (monday, sheesh!), foregn policy... Boy, the list goes on.
Go Harper, and stay strong Conservatives.
Sam.

FREE THE WEST!

Oh, and if anyone's into purging their lunch, check out Lizzie May on CTV. So hard to see how people consider her intelligent...all gibberish.
Sam.

I've sent my message to each of the three local flagbearers of the major parties in my neck of the woods.

Not since the two Quebec referendums on seperation have I been this incensed with elected representatives.

To hell with the Conservative Party. To hell with the Liberal Party. To hell with the New Democratic Party.

Put Canada First.

My letter to the local flagbearers:

* * *

Mr Bruce Hyer MPP (Thunder Bay - Superior North),

The nonsense taking place on Parliament Hill has to stop.

No coalition with the seperatists.

No election call.

No proroguing the current Parliamentary session.

Our Members of Parliament were elected -- what? yesterday! -- to govern on behalf of the governed.

Cut the crap and get back to work. For Canada.

Find a way now, if not sooner.

Thank you,

PS:

This message has been sent to the politicians who last ran for election in the federal riding of Thunder Bay - Superior -- including Bev Sarafin of the Conservatives, Don McArthur of the Liberals, and Bruce Hyer of the NDP (current, and I emphasize "current", MPP).

And once again, I find myself a conservative. It's been awhile since I felt any connection, but I remember why I vote Conservative and why I have supported them in the past.

This must not stand. I will not be the hostage of the separatists. I cannot recognize Dion or his heir as a legitimately elected Prime Minister. If they feel they have the votes to govern, by all means let's go to the polls.

$300,000,000 to save $30,000,000,000 is well worth the expense.

Call an election is right.
CTV poll 12:13 p.m.
Who would you prefer to govern the country?
The Conservatives 71%
The NDP-Liberal coalition 29%

The liberals are commiting suicide...excellent...

Where is the nearest harbor, so that we from south of the border who understand and sympathize with your outrage, can give you moral support to help you throw some *tea* overboard?

(Caveat: it must be a place that is much different than the fetid liberal swamp that Boston harbor has become.)

Perhaps a river would do...

The west doesn't want in.

The west just wants to be left alone.

Wow, that Avanish guy really thought a lot of it through. The Conservative party no longer has to wear this recession, the three stooges are more than happy to step in and take the fall.

It occurs to me, and I really find it hard to believe (but it does fit all the facts), that these three people actually believe, deeply, that what they are peddling is the answer. Despite an entire century of communist and socialist failure, everywhere it has been tried, they actually think that this time is different. That this time, the failed policies of the past will work.

The only answer I can come up with, is let them try. The only sure cure for socialism is to get even more than you thought you wanted.

Oh C'mon! If we stay united surely we'll all receive a new car as a gift from the government after the newly proposed auto industry bailout fails and they can't sell what they're building! I suspect Jack is working out a deal to supply us all with Ladas!

When the west separates, I say we in western(ontario) separate from toronto and join them.

The Toronto-Quebec axis of weasels must die.

we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender!

ET: "Marie- yes, I agree with you. I think that Harper knew about this attempted coup, which we now know was planned months ago. ... He called them out, so that, the public would have the right to know and choose."

I first heard this scenario over the weekend and chalked it up to desperate partisan optimism that all will turn out well. Now I'm not so sure. If (better "since") Stephen Harper knew that serious coalition talks were occurring, he must have realized that this govt. would have a short life. I've always taken it as a given that if his last or current govt. was to go down on a confidence motion, he would want it to be on the basis of a rejection of conservative red-meat principles. That would explain why the economic statement emphasized staying out of deficit, elimination of taxpayer subsidies to parties, suspension of the right to strike, and economic caution in general. I also think he assumed the defeat would come with the budget, not the statement.

The fact however that he removed these red-meat elements over the weekend is the one thing that suggests miscalculation on his part. If he knew he was going to be defeated and wanted it to happen on his terms, wouldn't he have stood his ground rather than shift it? To put it mildly, these are not his ideal conditions.

If the optimistic scenario is right, then I take it as certain that he will prorogue parliament.

If this "non confidence vote" was actually based on a conspiracy hatched long before there were any presentations by the government to have "non confidence" in do you think that is treason to overthrow the duly elected government by the conspirators?

Just asking.

Folks,

We need to take the bull by the horns and advertise to any who'll listen that the NDP and the Bloc were planning this a long time. We need to send e-mails to every radio station and newspaper...even the dreaded CBC. Because if enough of us do this...as with Mr Steyn and MacLeans...they'll have to report it. And it's very hard to spin treason--because even the most left-leaning Canadian knows in his/her heart of hearts that the Bloc exists only to destroy Canada.

~~favill~~

MJ - or, do you think that Harper removed the so called conservative red meat items (which by the way are sensible measures for tough times) to prove that the opposition parties are absolutely wrong and still playing games when they say he is "ramming" policies they don't agree with down their throats.

They complained about those measures - Harper removed them proving that he is ready and willing to work with the opposition to make parliament work and called them out again- even if they got their way 100% they still want power because it was preconceived weeks ago.

Remember Scott Reid - Martin's henchman who was behind stabbing Chretien in the back who wrote this week about Harper "Kill him. Kill him dead.

They want Harper gone because he is such a good PM the Liberals cannot compete with him so they have to destroy him at all costs.

The Liberals are millions of dollars in debt and their power brokers have been shut outof the pork barrelling they depended on for so many years. The media loved the big lavish Liberal parties and expence accounts and career building leaks and senate seats.

Harper threatens them all because he puts Canadians first don't you agree?

I find it hard to believe that a non-confidence motion can lead to a three party coalition running things. I found two things about this amusing, one my grandma calling them the three stooges when watching this train wreck unfold on television (she's a traditional NDP supporter) and two the fact that the NDP and Liberals were having a news conference and then not having a news conference. They couldn't even get the logistics of political whoring straight from Dion to Layton.

Good luck chumps. You will need it when the knives come out.

Yes Marie, though I'm not constitutional expert, this situation sounds to me like it fits the definition of treason.
TREASON : the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery
source dictionary .com

Treason has always been considered one of the most serious of crimes and was punishable by death when other crimes were not.

Did you all notice there were no Canadian flags at this so called coalition of the swilling signing?

Do you think THAT was another concession to the BLOC?

Assuming the coallition was plotting well in advance you have to ask. Was the CPC aware of the scheme? Even as a rumour?

Known in advance or not, once the coallitions intentions were clear a more measured reaction would have been for the CPC to go straight to the Canadian public with the evidence and make their case, rather than leave us all in the dark and distracted by the partisan defunding sideshow.

Sorry but I simply do not see any master plan at work here. This was miscalulation.

Right on Marie. I think you have it exactly right about why Harper included campaign funding. That's what I thought when I read Layton's comments to his caucus about having discussions about this months ago. Clearly, Harper was aware of it.

I think we all may be jumping the gun here in assuming that the GG will go along with the coalition. She could just as easily order a new election. Her acceptance of the coalition isn't a given.

Duceppe is in a no lose situation, he can get whatever he demands for the next two years and when an election is approaching he can simply separate and name his own terms. The question is how much will the rest of us have to pay.
All Liberal & NDP MP's from Manitoba West should immediately resign and run in by elections. Ujjal Dosanjh in particular as he only won by 25 votes. Test your electorate.

Posted this on the Ralphie site but thought it could get discussed here too.

What is getting lost in all of this is that the letter to the then GG Adrienne Clarkson only asked her to consider all of her options. If a sitting Prime Minister asks the GG to disolve parliament she can grant his request and then ask the other members if they can form a coalition government, that is her discretion, but the GG has to ask first! The opposition were not asked to form a coalition by the GG therefore they have committed treason forming a coalition before being asked and by trying to usurp the power from the party that were duly elected. You trolls can dress this Coup d'tat up any way you like it but it still comes down to a subversion of the democratic process. If the GG grants these three clowns the power to rule somebody in the house should question the claim of Dion to be the next Prime Minister since I believe the Prime Minister must be selected by the House and it has always been assumed that the leader of the party with the most seats was by convention the leader of the House. Can you imagine the repercussions across this country if we elected a government that didn't have a leader. Talk about a banana republic.

MJ -- "If he knew he was going to be defeated and wanted it to happen on his terms, wouldn't he have stood his ground rather than shift it?"

I think that if there was political calculation involved on these measures, it would have been that 1) the Lib-NDP-Bloc would huff and puff and reject what seems very reasonable to Canadians duirng the current economic crisis and 2) his government would reintroduce those measures seperately from the budget -- and both would demonstrate the misplaced priorities of the other three parties.

This would play well across the country. Not just in the West and in rural Ontario, but also in cities where the NDP-Lib-Bloc alliance will split the vote.

Sometimes, when a PM has to govern with a minority, he has to take risks. I don't like that, not at this time in this economy, and I don't like the way the other parties have fallen so desperately for it. It is political gamesmanship.

But I cannot blame Harper for being better at the game than Layton the socialist, Dion the rejected-and-resigned, and Whats-His-Name the seperatist.

I should amend by saying that probably Whats-His-Name has managed to play his cards far better than his coalition buddies. The real conflict is between him and Harper -- the other two are pawns.

BTW, Canada is not in a recession, not even a technical one. Canada boasted a 1.6% growth in October. Of course, that may all change if the Les Trois Chavez get in...

Netty, you have to go to the criminal code for definitions for treason and sedition in Canada. They are unfortunately very specific in their terms.

The Liberals had power. We were given HRDC, the Long Gun Registry, ADSCAM, and a host of other examples of incompetence, uselessness and outright theft, along with notes about other suspicious activities that the Auditor General wasn't allowed to inspect.

The scandals arising from the Harper government include dictatorial behaviour, insufficient levels of public panic in the face of worldwide economic upheaval, not implementing the same policies as the former Liberal government, and daring Dion to pull the plug on the Conservative government (over, and over, and over...) causing Dion to look like an idiot.

Jean Cretin, La Petite Gar, choked a protester; Stephen Harper, the evil dictator, shook hands with his son to avoid embarrassing him on his first day of school.

The rise of the new Conservative party was accompanied by outrageous fearmongering from the left, including media pudits posing as reporters.

The excuse for this coalition seems to be "Harper is mean, nasty, scares your children in their beds, and isn't like us." Sounds much like the basic rational of coup attempts throughout history.

Listening to CKNW (in Vancouver) this morning, I just heard a young, arrogant Liberal call up and say:

1. This is perfectly democratic. In fact, it's a fine example of democracy at work.

2. This happens all the time around the world. Canadians need to grow up.

3. Flaherty's budget only keeps us out of deficit by selling things. It's a perfect NeoCon joke.

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I won't even dignify #1 & #2. As for the last, please tell me how a person supports a coalition set to spend (waste) $30 Billion and then condemns a party set to spend money very wisely? In the same breath, this same person criticizes the latter for being "irresponsible neocons".

Get me the vomit bag!!!

During the "debate" Ducceppe Said "You three all want to be prime minister and you won't be, I don't want to be prime Minister" anyway Traitor Jack wants to install Duceppe as de-facto prime minister. There will not be a bill passed that does not suit Ducceppe, I wonder how long that charade would last? I am beyond anger and outrage, the G G had better tell the three stooges to "go to the people" or Canada as we know it is in for one hell of a ride.
Cheers Bubba

Blazingcatfur;

We don't need to assume that the coallition was plotting well in advance. I'll take Layton at his word as was revealed by the tape and transcript of his discussion with his caucus. It seems fairly clear.

Equally as clear, since it was the Cons who released this info, they were well aware of the rumblings. Harper obviously knew what was afoot when he proposed changes to campaign finances.

It was nothing if not predictable that media dolts would come out with the "Harper was arrogant and stupid" BS. We don't need to fall for it. Listen to Jack's confession again.

It's not just these three jerks. Where are their MP's on this? Is party loyalty more important than the stability and unity of Canada?

That's right LindaL. Send a message to your local federal politicians -- including those who ran but lost the local riding election. Include those who would seek nomination for the next election.

Get the local politicians involved if they won't step forward. Push them!

Globe and Mail is reporting Lizzie May is heading for a senate seat from PM-Appointed Dion. It appears the snouts are plunging into the trough even before Dion is officially PM.

Liberal reaction to rage in the west will basically equate to Scott Reid's suggestion for Albertans that he made to journalist Don Martin. Scott Reid is a Liberal backroomer and former communications boss for PM Martin.

What about Afghanistan? What about the Carbon Tax and Kyoto? What about Section 13 of the Human Rights Code? What's their Foreign Policy? Are they going to implement Universal Child Care? When do get to see their complete platform or should I just ask the Bloq?

As stated above PMSH knew of this all along; damn it, I knew before we went to the polls. There was an astute observation made in an earlier comment that I would like to expand on. This coalition was in the works before the election, the thorn in my side is that the three parties could have come clean, and ran on this against the Conservatives during the election. This is very very bad!

My prediction(wishful thinking): I think the GG may call an election contrary to popular opinion because of the numbers. The Lib/NDP have kept the Bloc out of the gov't to protect their brands; but, this means that the coalition would be substantially smaller than the gov't they are removing. This puts the GG in a very difficult situation because regardless of what is on paper, it will be difficult to keep this gov't together. It is plain to see that this coalition could have run as an entity in the past election. An election now WILL provide a clear choice for Canadians. The right choice(for democracy) is clear, and this GG will have a major role in Canada's history, the choice will be hers, and that is how Canadians view her and her office in the future.

WRT separation, here is an ealier comment I've made somewhere:

"Just musing here; but, is it possible that the gov't falls next week then as you suggest PMSH steps down from the CPC leadership; or, the CPC dissolves along it's traditional lines and SH leads the New Reform Party?

We are on very precarious footing at this time. Are there any leaders out west who share this view in the closet? I've been doing some personal research on this in the past year and a half and I'm of the opinion that in Saskatchewan and Alberta 75%+ support western separation, although they haven't put too much thought into it. I don't know much of these things, but I'm of the frame of mind that separation will light like wildfire,spread and happen quickly(if at all), not like the Quebec model."

LIBERAL/NDP/BLOC RALLYING CRY:

HOORAY FOR IMPERIALISM!

Does anyone but me see the irony in our lefties running to the Queen begging like lords for the power to control and tax the peasants?

Bob C, whether or not the coallitions plans were or were not known in advance by the CPC, the party blundered by not going straight to the Canadian people once the coallitions intent was clear.

Why keep us in the dark assuming they knew in advance? What was the point of raising the red-herring defunding issue then backing down from that stance? Sorry I just don't see any coherent strategy here.

Why did they play this game?

Simeon, I am also from your area and the people of Windsor are just as angry about this as you are. Read Gord Henderson's column today and you will get a feel of just how they feel. Read the comments in todays Star and you will see you are not alone.

BCF:

If the Harper called another election before the coalition revealed itself, it would never become public and Harper would be a raging paranoid wasting more money on an election.

Now, the possibility of another election so soon after the last is outrageous, the hidden agenda of the coalition, revealed, is enraging the public, and the coalition is forcing an election if they fail in their attempt OR if they succeed.

It is clear now, after the revelations over the last few days, that the coalition was inevitable and hidden, and now is open to public view along with the timing.

They complained of Conservative attack-ads in the LAST election.

I agree with those who think that Harper caught wind of the coalition plotting weeks ago. On election night, while being interviewed on one of the TV networks, Bob Rae appeared to float the idea of a coaltion between the other parties when it looked like a PC minority was likely.

Blazing Cat/Indy:

The cons didn't have foreknowledge. The dipper meeting was taped Saturday morning which was four days ago.

The dippers and separatists hatched this weeks ago, likely days after the election. Laydown is heard on the tape saying he is happy the plan was put in place early because the excuse to trigger it came sooner than he expected.

Sorry, I meant that the coalition is FACING an election, succeed or fail, at some time in the future, and will pay some penalty for it then.

Blazingcatfur;

If Harper had stood up and pointed the finger at the Coalition ahead of time, they could easily have backed off from tipping their hand and called Harper paranoid instead. I can see why Harper would have waited until the die was cast.

Whether injecting party funding into the issue was smart or not, it's a matter of opinion I guess. From what I've seen of public comment on that issue, Harper has fairly solid support with the public.

Did you notice the first reaction of the coalition members was to declare "This is war" over the funding proposal, then how quickly they switched gears to denying it was any part of their thinking. On a dime, the issue became the lack of stimulous in the economic statement. Seems to me they saw the same public reaction that I did and backed off in a hurry.

Harper's "blunder" is far more in the mind of the media spin masters than in the general public. They'd like you to buy into it. Don't. Work calls. Look forward later to your response, if any. Thanks.

I don't know if this is just a rumour but on Lowell Green's show this morning it was mentioned that the 71MPs from out west will quit if this coalition goes through. If they do I am sure the others will follow leaving no opposition. Don't think they can run a government without them What do you all think?

Also I saw in one of the blogs that I troll that the throne speech the GG gave had within it the cut to MPS 1.75/1.95. Now, if this is true the throne speech was passed in the house. Anyone else hear this?

The example of what is going on in Belgium should be educational and frightening. The parallels to Canada are obvious, down to the fact that a monarch or representative thereof is a figurehead leader that is expected to somehow resolve political disputes that the citizens of the country cannot (like our GG)

The french part of this country is socialist and union dominated, economically unproductive, and controls the cities and the parliament.

The Walloons (Flemish) are more conservative, more productive economically, support the French, and have been increasingly resentful of this, especially due to disastrous welfare system and immigration policies that seem to have no purpose but to bolster the political support for the socialists.

It is our future. Belgium has been in a permanent state of constitutional crisis for years, and effectively without a government for a year.

People would be well advised to educate themselves about what has happened there, why, and where they are going.

To provide yet another illustration of how the Radical Left thinks . . .

One such fellow called up to Vancouver's #1 talk radio station, CKNW, this morning and said, "Well, if I recall correctly, Stephane Dion got a larger share of the popular vote than Stephen Harper so he's more suitable for being PM anyway."

I wish I were kidding about this but I'm not.

You see, if you're a Liberal and the facts don't mesh with your world view then don't bother think about adjusting your view, just change the facts!!!

BEYOND PATHETIC!!!

It's abundantly clear that either the Fogs tire of the Bloc or the ROC will tire of the Frogs.

I'm hoping on the latter. Without the frogs, Harper has a strong majority.

Notice a lot of conservatives have been dissing Barack Obama's high schoolish podium sign that says "Office of the President-Elect of the United States of America".

What will Dion have? This is ripe for mock-ups.

It's abundantly clear that either the Fogs tire of the Bloc or the ROC will tire of the Frogs.

I'm hoping on the latter. Without the frogs, Harper has a strong majority.

Ontario finally has a conservative voice, we finally have a PM that understands that Ontario is being bled dry and this nation finally has a PM that understands how Ontario values the military and the Liberals, NDP and Bloc are trying to take it away. Ontario wants OUT!

Blazingcatfur, I am sure the PM knew about it. This was floated during the election. I heard it and I am sure the Prime Minister heard it. Mr Dion said during an interview when asked that he could never tie himself with Layton it would not be good for the economy. The word coalition was even mentioned during the election.

This will blow up in their collective faces.

You'll see...

So...six weeks after an election in which Harper emerged with a stronger mandate, earning the same level of popular support as Chretien got, while Dion took his party to an historic low, suddenly a bunch of backroom boys from losing parties come out and say "Hello Canadians. A few of us met privately and have decided who your government will be." So now Dion will be pm, Layton will be Environment Minister -- hello, Alberta and Saskatchewan -- and the separatists have a veto on the parliamentary business conducted on behalf of all Canadians.

There's only one thing to do: prorogue. What we've seen tactically is a disorienting flash-bang followed by opportunistic weasels rushing in and assuring everyone that they're now in charge; they're attempting to elbow the Canadian electorate aside, they're trying to close the deal and get voters out the door as quickly as possible. That can't be allowed to happen.

Time is absolutely on the Conservatives' side, so they should take as much as they can get, by whatever legal means possible. Canadian voters have stunning new information, completely unforeseen, about the Libs and the NDP; a Christmas get-together to discuss it will badly harm the coalitionists. IF that happens, if Canadian families get together over the holidays, it IS going to fully register that these bunch of weasels lied to us during the last election campaign -- they're fraudulent, and, unlike Mr. Harper, they're not acting in the best interests of the country. Not only did they never reveal to Canadians during the recent election that what they're doing now was a possibility, but Dion for one absolutely, unequivocally disavowed the possibility.

You can see the usual on-air suspects trying to strike while the iron is hot and to get Harper out as quickly as possible. They're trying to sell the idea that the LPC/OPG/GTA/bureaucrat narrative (Harper's bad, it's his fault, he must go) is a national narrative -- "everybody knows that Harper is"...blah blah blah -- but they're absolutely full of crap. Ask yourself this: have all those Canadians who gave Mr. Harper his third successive increased mandate suddenly turned against him and decided they want Dion as PM instead? No, huh?

Time is an ally of the truth. Prorogue. Opposition among the electorate to these usurping clowns is building by the day, and will keep growing over time. It's critical that the Conservatives to do anything and everything possible to prevent a quick handover to them.

The worst possible downside to proroguing is that the GG will deny a request for an election after the Conservatives are defeated on an economic statement in January. Same outcome, in other words, except that the Clown Coalition would assume power in January instead of next week.

Mr. Harper should simply say "We went to the voters six weeks ago and returned with a stronger mandate. I believe that Canadians need time to think about and carefully consider what sort of government they want. It's important to remember that not one single Canadian voted for a proposed coalition that gives one party that only runs candidates in one province a veto over Canadians from coast to coast. Economically we're in good shape compared to the rest of the world. We'll release a budget in January and put it's support to the Canadian people if necessary."

"I don't know if this is just a rumour but on Lowell Green's show this morning it was mentioned that the 71MPs from out west will quit if this coalition goes through."

Can anyone verify this? This is big beyond description, I doubt it's verifiable; but, if it was, you'll see me running down the streets naked cheering !:-p

"What will Dion have?"

Office of the Prime Minister-Select.

Hopefully there are some other Lieberals who get it and enough of them to terminate this coalition of traitors before it has any chance at power.

Right now I'm ready to do what it takes to get the west to separate should the Harper government fall. Easterners should be aware that if the coalition of the swilling gets in, the reaction out here will make the NEP look like a minor disagreement between friends.

For those of you Christians that think rebellion against an unjust gov't is not biblically permissible read the puritan Samuel Rutherford's "Lex Rex or the Law and the Prince" or read "a Defence of Liberty Against Tyrants" by Junius Brutus a book poular before the French Revolution

Sheesh. What're you guys running, a government or a hockey game?

We wonder why in abusive relationships the abused doesn't even consider leaving the relationship. Each one of us in Alberta ans Sask have to ask ourselves if we fit into that category.

Building on ET analysis how about this.

She has raised an interesting scenario. If Harper goes to the GG and asks for a mandate to have another election with this time the coalition against the Conservatives and she gives it to him he can now turn to Canadians and show them the naked lust for power that the defeated and disgraced Dion has such that he would actually turn parliament over to the separatist Bloc.

Jackal bin Layton would also be shown to be in bed with Deceit and again making a deal with the devil just to grasp his othewise unobtainable brass ring.

Harper can now say that these guys would divide up Canada by giving the Bloc 6 senate seats and even Lizzie May would be given her own senate position. This coalition with zero plan would take 30 billion of taxpayers money and divide it among the unions and other friends of the leftists. They haven't a leg to stand on if she is accurate in her analysis and the Liberals and NDP would be wiped out across the West and East as outraged Canadians see our democracy being circumvented by these thugs.

As poll after poll has shown Canadians are pissed off that just 7 weeks ago the Conservatives were given a mandate to govern and yet when they as shown have Canada in a good position to ride the recession these turds try to take over the parliament they were denied by the voters.

These guys can't now run separately as they have signed an agreement to act as a coalition. How can they present what they have done in any positive light to the electorate. The coalition is now out on the limb and hopefully Harper will saw it off!

WTF ,Why the heck would you want to inflame the west at this time?

Posted by: bob c at December 2, 2008 1:37 PM

"Harper's "blunder" is far more in the mind of the media spin masters than in the general public. They'd like you to buy into it. Don't."

Spot on Bob c -
the MSM hates Harper and conservatism - ergo the constant Harper bashing.
The same corrupt MSM that turned a blind eye to the crooked Chretien years.

this coalition puts ONE province in control of ALL of Canada - and without any representation from Canada. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Are the out of their minds?
Posted by: ET at December 2, 2008 11:07 AM

I made this very point to my boss this morning as we discussed the current political crisis. In my view there are many elements of this coalition that give the GG justification for not handing power over to this unholy alliance, but this issue is the biggest one.

While not a formal part of the proposed coalition, the Bloc will be handed effective veto power over all legislation. It's frightening in the extreme to contemplate a party having veto control over national legislation that is not accountable to 80% of the nation's populace.

One such fellow called up to Vancouver's #1 talk radio station, CKNW, this morning and said, "Well, if I recall correctly, Stephane Dion got a larger share of the popular vote than Stephen Harper so he's more suitable for being PM anyway.
BEYOND PATHETIC!!!
Posted by: Robert W. at December 2, 2008 1:46 PM

Indeed, I heard this same comment on NW this morning: it was replayed from the CKNW listener-line (voice mail) that people can call and leave a message on. What peeves me off is that Bill Good let the comment slide, just played it, and then moved on to talk to his guest.

"At this very moment a quite literal coup d'etat is under way in Ottawa, make no mistake about this. A government elected just seven weeks ago by the people is about to be overthrown,"
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Know what the word "literal" means?
Funny coup d'etat in which the "head" announces the possible coup dates [Monday or perhaps next year], and all the plotters are elected members conducting their plots in the public gaze.

"What peeves me off is that Bill Good let the comment slide, just played it, and then moved on to talk to his guest."

Bill Good is so woefully uninformed about what is going on anywhere; I've noticed this for years. He is a very very poor excuse for talk-show host. It's quite embarrassing, actually. He mispronounces names, gets details wrong all the time. Not a clue in the big lug's head.

Give me Charles Adler and Dave Rutherford any day over this guy.

I'm talking Russian Revolution bad.

These people are clearly insane and should be locked up for their own good, if not ours.

WTF is Michael Ignatieff thinking, he hires on the Jackass and immediately turns into a revolutionary.

The only questions left now are how much of Ontario will secede, and what currency will the rump of Canada use, because it won't be worth the paper it's printed on.

Joe Molnar;

The media is an outrage. They accuse Harper of being arrogant, yet I know of no politician more arrogant than Trudeau.

Had Trudeau done exactly the same as Harper just did, the media would have ignored any suggestion that he was playing political games with his rivals. They'd have sung praises for showing concern for the common man, and an understanding that the economic pain about to be felt by Canadians had to be shared by those at the top. He would have been showing great leadership in doing so. The opposition would have been characterized as selfish Scrooges caring only about themselves.

Funny how it doesn't come out like that when the shoe happens to be on a Conservative's foot.