Right. A snowbilly reindeer breeder with a doublewide stuffed full of moose antlers and Jaqueline Smith K-Mart collection clothing. A religious zealot who speaks in tongues and is anti-woman to the point of shaping her coif like the head of a menacing penis bent on forcible procreation. A dundering political toy to be fondled by NASCAR aficionados while their fat, bleach blond wives are busy in the kitchen throwing together a canned tuna and pea casserole.
I know this. Because beltway insiders who once saw pictures of caribou and own the first two seasons of “Northern Exposure” on DVD assure me it is so.
I recall being appalled when someone mentioned Appollonian dispair in the poetry of Sara Teasdale, and Palin simply looked at them with a blank expression on her face.
I asked myself, could Americans possibly thinking of electing this woman as Vice President?
Later I blanched as I watched her order a domestic chablis. It was all I could do to keep from laughing out loud.
Although she apparently had read Keats, she couldn’t tell whether one poem was written by Keats or Shelley. My extreme misgivings about her potential to operate as Vice President continued to grow.
I was aghast to discover that she had never read Kant’s Critique on Pure Reason and even had the effrontery to mention that she knows how to change a tire.
This whole thing is just absolutely ghastly.
Any remaining confidence I had was thoroughly shattered when I mentioned a real zinger from Remembrance of Things Past by Marcel Proust, and it apparently went completely over her head.
My God. What have we come to?
Pissed off? No, who can get pissed off at individual that makes such a statement, seems pretty revealing. Pity for such a person would be a more approriate emotion.
Pissed off? No, who can get pissed off at individual that makes such a statement, seems pretty revealing. Pity for such a person would be a more approriate emotion.
Exactly soccermom. Palin being normal really does excite and threaten these people.
^^^^
If “normal” matches your expectation for a possible leader of the free world then IMHO you have set the bar way too low
I would never vote for a Republican but I really do like Sarah Palin. She makes all the other rightie and leftie politicians look like a bunch of blathering nitwits.
Time magazine should make her Man of the Year!
Shooting moose from an airplane…it doesn’t get any better than that.
[no sarcasm whatsoever]
Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air. She must be a truly remarkable human being based on one observation: the ankle-biting, frothing at the mouth, hateful, death-worshipping dhimmi leftists all hate her with a passion worthy of Lucifer (Saul Alinksy’s dedicatee).
^^^^ ConGris
Then what is she when members of her own party don’t like her and find her unqualified?
Does this make her even more remarkable?
If I was to discuss and issue with someone and my only rebuttal is that someone is “stupid”, I’m pretty sure my argument would be considered juvenile by most.
This “stupid” argument has been used on GWB for 8 yrs, so it should be no surprise that this tactic is being employed again. Calling someone else “stupid” appeals to many people who feel their income doesn’t compensate them adequately for their investment in education. There is a segment in society who feel that “education” should be the measure for income, regardless of the actual value the market dictates for their contribution. (The best advice I received in manager training is to put the resumes of University students and grads to the back of the pile)
So as I said, there shouldn’t be any surprise that this haughty group of people default to this tactic.
“My God. What have we come to?” Greg in Dallas, Teasdale, Keats and Kant? I thought y’all only read Louis L’Amour and Zane Grey. (us ex-Houstonians can say that about Dallas)
Seriously, I have never seen such a vile slag of someone in my life. The pure hatred that is coming out you’d think Gov Palin was the anti-Christ or something. The rants coming out are more in keeping with a Venezuela dictator. It looks like lefties can’t imagine a woman who is a true conservitive and Republicans can’t imagine someone running that isn’t part of the inner Washington sanctum. There seems to be a different set of standards used here. Everyone is busy comparing Palin to Obama when she should be compared to Botox Biden.
georgemchimpybush had higher marks than John Kerry, a fact seldomly reported in the MSM.
but closer to home, Borat Dion , Iggy , and Boob Rae are all academics spending their formative years in the seclusion of the ivory towers, looking down and feeling great sympathy and hoping to give direction to the unwashed hoipolloi.
RofC
What you leftards (get it?) fail to understand is that the rest of us do not prescribe to your definition of who is “smart” or “qualified” ect. Anyone who went to University in a credible subject understands that when they get out of school the learning begins. University is a means to an end, and that end is to be successful. There are many paths to success, and success is the criteria that most people to measure someone’s qualifications or smarts.
(When a woman asks me if I know what sexy is, I say “no, but I bet I can count the up the change in your purse really fast.”)
Kanye West (The College Drop-out)
To add to my other comment, does anyone else see the irony of MSM journalists and actors accusing anyone of being “stupid”. Next we’ll have dwarfs calling SP short-sighted.
Yeah, it sure is fun watching and listening to these yapping tire biting left wing idiots repeat themselves time and time again, must have gotten their teeth caught in one of the tires.
There are many paths to success, and success is the criteria that most people *use* to measure someone’s qualifications or smarts.
fixed
Well Indiana
I do not agree with your views of what post secondary education is. I see it as a sign that one has the ability to learn and also the ability to sacrifice for a time period to achieve something that will bring a delayed gratification. I also value real world experience but Mrs. palin shows a poor depth of knowledge I dont think I would use the words stupid to describe her but if I can use a term the right is using “she is just like ordinary people”
Do you feel that other Republcans that agree with me are “leftards” too?
I put resumes with degrees at the top of my pile if you want to put them on the bottom feel free.
Yeah right, West Candian the Republibots have never repeated themselves time and time again.
Watch Faux news and play the Republibots talking point drinking game. You will need a new liver.
Glass houses my friend glass houses.
“Dim, is that a personal nickname related to the brightness of your bulb?”
A lot of people here classify feminists, usually leftist feminists, as being angry and malicious. The above statement lends credibility to these allegations.
A lot of feminists are supporting Palin ONLY because she is a woman. All is fair in love and politics. I don’t have any objection to Palin in the context of the message she sends to feminists. Lynn de Rothschild is supporting her too, despite being a lifelong Democrat. And I am as aware as anyone that women employed by the Obama camp get only 83% of what men doing the same job make. This alone would make me vote for Palin, particularly if I were a feminist. Of course, it is hard to believe that she would have been a veep candidate if she were a man with the same qualifications and credentials.
My objection to her rests primarily on her usage of decidedly leftist tactics – all this populist Joe Six Pack small town values nonsense. Only 20% of Americans live in Small towns. The whole ‘Hussein’ issue was a new low. Powell put it best, I think,
“Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer’s no, that’s not America,” Powell said. “Is there something wrong with some 7-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?””
That is not what the hard right Palin brand of Republican Party-ism is about. Division and populism – preying on people’s fears and prejudices. That is what they are about. All their hard-right supporters on this board will tell you that there is something wrong with some 7-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president.
Then there are the rest of us. The moderate right who believe America is the Land of the Opportunity for everyone.
“Are you certain about about that? After all George has already set the bar on that issue at a pretty high level.”
Dubya divided it between North and South (more or less). Palin is dividing it between ‘elite’ and average. The latter is exploited by the former. Sound like the communist manifesto yet? For all his flaws, Dubya did go to an Ivy League school. Those schools have many flaws, but they do impart an important training in leadership and responsibility. Being a leader, and behaving like one is ingrained as a part of being in one of those institutions. This is an element of going to Ivy League schools that is often overlooked. It is vetting and learning process- it is why Ivy Leaguers succeed after graduating and leaving the ivory towers for the real world. Palin hasn’t been through this, quite possibly because she never tried. The schools she attended have no entrance standards. She could have made an effort to go to a good non-ivy league school – and there are many of those in the US – the NYU’s, the Southern Methodist Us, etc. She didn’t. The other candidates always made the effort to prepare themselves for office before running. She hasn’t.
We don’t know if she respects her advisors. She certainly doesn’t respect McCain’s advisors. In fact, shes ready to stab him in the back for her own agenda. What if she fills the cabinet with under-educated folksy folk like herself? Do you want the world’s most powerful country run by average Joes?
cal2, you forgot Harper. He did a masters degree, too.
Indiana:
There may be hope after all.
ROC just allowed you to prioritize applications in any way you see fit.
Don’t you feel priviledged?
BTW, the school of hard knocks is a much better teacher than any pinhead lefty university professor, who couldn’t get a job anywhere in the real world.
ChrisinM siad: “nevermind all the politics, I take exception to the “…throwing together a canned tuna and pea casserole. omg… even I’m more sophisticated than that and mix a little Kraft dinner into mine. Not the cheap stuff either, the special kind with the foil bags of cheese “product” and larger macaroni. ”
You betcha, and down heya in North Louisi-Yana we normally add French-Cut String Beans and a can of that there Campbell’s Cream of Asparagus, and in an emergency you can substitute baked dolphin, or chicken parts for the canned tuna.
Back to the Topic, the Democrats and the Media don’t give a Ratt’s arse who was appointed to the VP slot they were instructed to Search out and Destroy,and the link Kate provided proves my point.
I put resumes with degrees in the middle of the pile. I’ve had good and bad experiences. Personally I look for high ‘I’ numbers on resumes. That’s a person who has a very strong sense of personal identity.
Set You free
I am so glad that you are accepting my opinion it means soooo much to me.
I would also guess you have never sat in front of a lefty prof to make this opinion.
Education trains you to not generalize on baseless opinion and use facts. I fail to see that from you.
@ Texas Canuck with “Botox Biden” LOL! I thought only John McCain was getting the ageism jokes.
Jimmy Kimmel Live!
● Sen. Robert Byrd was in Charleston, W.Va., at a rally for Joe Biden. He got a little confused about which office Biden is running for when he introduced him as “the next president — Joe Biden!” Somebody slipped some gin in Grandpa’s cod liver oil.
Cheers
ROC:
Which one of those accusations are you hoping will stick?
Try again.
BTW, my remarks were addressed to Indiana, so shut the f**k up.
Indiana-“This “stupid” argument has been used on GWB for 8 yrs, so it should be no surprise that this tactic is being employed again”
It is a connect the dots campaign. The dems have been saying “GWB is stupid and look at the results now they are saying Palin is too. Do you want more of the same (hidden meaning for stupid)?”. That is the question they are asking voters.
The message is working no matter what “real” americans think.
If there was a real world experienced economist with a proven track record I would probably vote for them but I dont see one on the ballot.
Personally I would put my faith in Romney with an economic crisis.
Squeel squeel squeel r of c
RoC
We agree “I see it as a sign that one has the ability to learn and also the ability to sacrifice for a time period to achieve something that will bring a delayed gratification.” but that gratification doesn’t necessarily mean $$. The market will decide what value someone has in the workforce. If you’ve played “The Game of Life” board game you’d know that you have a choice to go to college or go straight to work. There is often ” delayed gratification” if the chosen field is in high demand, but sometimes the “graduate” CHOOSES a field that isn’t in demand, and they get paid accordingly.
WRT resumes, your statement leads me to believe you don’t speak from experience. It goes without saying that if a jobs prerequisite is a degree, then you will require a degree; but, in the case where the degree isn’t required, it is common anecdotal thought that an employee with a degree will be less loyal and have a haughty attitude toward work that they feel is beneath them.
Once again you ass.u.me. that if someone didn’t attend an institution that YOU feel is suitable, then they are less intelligent or “normal”. A University degree is not a sign of intelligence, it is recognition of a completed task, a task that has no tangible value on its own.( I have a degree)
“an employee with a degree will be less loyal and have a haughty attitude toward work that they feel is beneath them.”
This statement magnifies the difference of philosophy between “normal people” and “elites”. Normal people of all economic stations respect and value the work done by all: including janitors, handy-men, plumbers, entrepreneurs, engineers ect; whereas, elites feel that the aforementioned jobs are necessary, but are to be done by less educated or stupid people. These elites also feel that there is injustice in a world where a janitor makes way more money than a social worker, after all “he’s only a janitor” and I’m educated.
The ultimate failure of elite people is their denial of the fact that the system they support is UNSUSTAINABLE, but in the spirit of liberalism F’ck everyone else, even those not born yet, as long as I get what I want, you can go to h*ll.
Is this what Set You Free brings to the conversation. He tells people to “shut the F up”
Thanks for making my point,of you not having an educational background easier. If you dont have a degree how can you compare real world to a left prof?
I know you are known for always having the last word so I am sure this isnt the last I will hear from your opinion based on no life experience on the subject.
Indiana-well said I agree with a lot of your previous post
“It goes without saying that if a jobs prerequisite is a degree,”
should say:
It goes without saying that if a *job’s* prerequisite is a degree,
“…Dubya did go to an Ivy League school. Those schools have many flaws, but they do impart an important training in leadership and responsibility…”
Where, pray tell, did Ronald Reagan go to school? Eureka College..NOT an Ivy League school! Damn, he must have been a terrible president!
Dim, indeed. And a “classist” or “elitist”, too.
I think that there is a much greater chance that O will be assasinated in office than McCain dies and then we get Biden as president. Now, to me is way scarier than O as president.
Kinda makes the “Palin is a heartbeat away from the presidency” argument pale in comparison.
Horny Toad
I take substantial exception to comments about higher education. College is important and certainly a resume filter these days. So, one must attend. On the other hand, I have a similar college record to Sarah because of career-related relocations and because it was necessary to go to work right out of high school. That education is sufficient to manage a billion dollar budget, hundreds of thousands of assets daily while also envisioning and implementing strategies for my industry as a whole. Plus, being a woman of Scots-Irish descent, NASCAR is a genetic imperative. Do NOT underestimate Americans, no matter their education, economic situation or sports preferences. The only thing that holds us back is the ease of life in this country which leads some to abject complacency.
The Ivy League is over-rated. It is a well known fact that admission is not merit based. Legacy and minority status play a much larger role than SAT’s or being a valedictorian. The Ivy League degree is merely a status symbol of the well-to-do and well-connected and not proof positive of merit or higher intelligence. They graduates may be better than average but not necessarily. People must still need to be judged on their actions and not simply on their education or family pedigree.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/123910.html
Beyond that, the elitists concept of who is acceptable gets narrower and narrower. Candidates must now have the right degree, from the right university, live in the proper locales and know the right people…..In the end they seem to be seeking to define this in a way that will exclude the majority of Americans and ignoring the other roles and actions that show leadership potential. Those with on-the-job and real life success need not apply. In the elitists world, Powell’s “Is there something wrong with some 7-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?” becomes pointless since the elitist attitude would have already excluded him with their growing lists of must-have’s.
RoC and Dim: I disagree that an ‘Ivy League’ school imparts any specific abilities of critical thought, or any specific abilities in leadership or responsibility. Those who succeed from these schools are often successes because of their networked alliances, via their parents, in Washington and New York. In many cases, they would never have made it on the basis of their own merit.
I also disagree that going to university means that the individual has the ability to ‘sacrifice for a time period’ and learn ‘delayed gratification’. To the contrary, it often means four to seven more years of non-participation in the rigours and problems of the work force.
By this I mean the rigours of having to be at work rather than skipping classes; of having to achieve accountable work results rather than handing in sloppy and ‘half-assed’ work; of having to save every penny rather than living off your parents or the govt loans.
I totally disagree that a university education provides any abilities to be a leader, to be a president. Oh, I have four degrees..
Oh, and if someone’s resume is filled with the pronoun ‘I’, then I’m concerned that this individual’s self-absorption might tend to narcissism. We have our own example in Jean Chretien, whose narcissism and constant selfpraise is famous. Obama is another example, having already written two autobiographies.
What makes a good leader of a nation? Three areas might be focused on. First is the individual’s innate capacity to think in a critical and logical manner, which enables one to see past the immediate and to see the infrastructure. Then, the knowledge base, which includes a knowledge of history and economics, which most certainly need not come from university and is a continuous learning process. And psychologically, a deep sense of humility, or, lack of arrogance and self-absorption.
I don’t see what any of these three characteristics have to do with a university education.
“Then what is she when members of her own party don’t like her and find her unqualified?
You mean like, Puma?
Why has neither Harvard or Columbia released Obama’s records? If a guy is applying for a job, shouldn’t the employer have his CV?
More and more subterfuge. This guy is basking in the dark.
Horney Toad
I think that talk of the O being assassinated has always been poor satire thanks to Eddie Murphy. It ain’t going to happen.
I do think that Sarah Palin is a much more likely candidate for an assassination attempt if she becomes veep(or not). Too many people have too much to lose if she is successful(world wide).JMO
NOTICE
If you people cannot figure out how not to respond to troll comments, I swear to God I will turn them off for good.
I hope the bold print isn’t directed at me. If so, please have mercy if I am unwittingly feeding trolls, I didn’t attend an Ivy league school, so I may not have the smarts to discriminate the difference between feeding trolls and engaging in constructive convo.
RoC
WRT “stupid” GWB & SP I have noticed an inconsistency in this analysis. It seems to me that people who think GWB is stupid, are the same people who think GWB is some kind of Evil Doctor who has freak’n sharks with freak’n lasers on their heads.
lynnh
“In the elitists world, Powell’s “Is there something wrong with some 7-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?” becomes pointless since the elitist attitude would have already excluded him with their growing lists of must-have’s.”
ditto
ET
“I also disagree that going to university means that the individual has the ability to ‘sacrifice for a time period’ and learn ‘delayed gratification’. To the contrary, it often means four to seven more years of non-participation in the rigours and problems of the work force.”
Good point. In school I had one instructor in a graphics class that marked assignments with a “check” or a “r” for re-do. A check got 100% and the re-do got 50% after it was brought up to standard. If the re-do wasn’t fixed properly then a zero followed. This may seem harsh, but his reasoning was that no client will accept work that is only 70% accurate. It’s 100% or nothing, that’s life.
Indiana:
Dubya has an IQ of 132 or thereabouts.
That’s a fact.
I’m sure that’s higher than 99% of his critics.
On the other hand, I agree with you that there is a difference in being intelligent and being smart.
I luv me some Bush.
Probably the truth of the matter is, she is more or less a normal person in a world of politics dominated by over-achieving lawyers and career politicians whose main survival instinct is to stay ahead of the curve of public opinion a little faster than Joe Q. Public. Politics is not generally the domain of global thinkers who see a general problem and conceive a general solution to that problem (as with Palin’s track record of cutting through layers of expensive orthodoxy in the politics of her state).
America would be lucky to have the chance to see this kind of change, but it seems like the other kind (revolution) is now the preferred option of the majority, so unleash the whirlwind. And lead the huskies back to their kennels.
On second thought, I hope I’m not the troll.
I have seldom seen anyone treated so badly and viciously by the media as Governor Palin. I’ve been trying to figure out what this reveals about us. Surely, it would have sufficed to criticize her views and actions? But her appearance? Her husband? Her daughter? Her wardrobe? Her glasses. If she was such a dimwit, why was it necessary to vilify her on such points? What was her sin? She was authentic. She was attractive and she was female–not a male version of a woman which seems to be the disguise that women striving for public office tend to adopt. (Hillary almost wept on TV. Quelle horreur! Immediate disqualification for the nomination.) I have some doubts about Palin’s suitability for VP but I don’t think she has deserved the horrible treatment meted out to her by the press. This reveals something pretty sick at the bottom of society.
what the hell is wrong with a normal person running for office?
No Homez, you’re just wasting my bandwidth with off topic crap. The troll comment I refer to was a vicious “joke” based on Sarah Palin’s Down Syndrome baby. But more irritating are those who have to chime in afterwards, thereby creating six times as much work to clean up the thread as there would have been had the stupidity been ignored.
If you are a feminist, you are a Marxist. And if you are a Marxist, you are not a conservative.
Feminism does not and cannot exist outside the hothouse of Marxism. Speaking of which, I am *loving* how Obamamania has had the pleasant side effect of mainstreaming the epithet “Marxist”, a shoe that fits not a few these days and it’s time we called them on it.
Ladies. I know what you’re thinking. “Im’onna ride out this war on white males thing for a bit, see if I can get me some of the spoils.” What happened to Hillary and what is happening to Palin should make you rethink the wisdom of that game plan.
Texas Canuck,
sometimes when I’m feeling cosmopolitan, I read Mickey Spillane. 😉
Being a Houstonian is like being a member of the Marine Corps. You’re never an ex; you’re always a Houstonian. You’re always welcome.
Well, naturally it is obvious that this insistence on ivy league credentials is simply about status and social class. I presume that once one has gone to the trouble to acquire one of these degrees, one’s self-esteem could be reduced if they thought a graduate from a mere state university could rival them in intelligence.
It’s all utter nonsense, of course, and I see through it just as so many commentators on this thread do. It appears that the old British class system of seeing a well-to-do aristocracy with elite educations being the natural holders of high office has a foothold among the so-called egalitarian left.
One of the things I think this is about is that on the left people realize that if Palin goes into office she will become the face of feminism. Most of the NOW gang would choke on that. Imagine a new face of feminist that’s about individual achievement, capacity, and aptitude rather than contempt and suspicion about men. A feminist with 5 children and a macho husband. I think a lot of people at Radcliffe would be upset by that idea.
Eeyore,
List Reagan’s advisors. Top notch people, all. Not Average Joes. Peggy Noonan was one of his speech writers. I think you know where she stands on Palin.
ET,
I disagree. Networked alliances only get you so far. There is a difference between growing up being ingrained with the belief that you are going to lead, and growing up just looking for a comfortable life. Indeed that is the basis for the top military schools – USMA West Point, USNA Annapolis, US Command College, Newport RI.
I believe that there is a difference between old money and the Nouveau Riche. The latter are discernible by their questionable mannerisms, particularly their treatment of money and their treatment of power. There is merit to the term, otherwise why would the nouveau riche be classified as such?
“I also disagree that going to university means that the individual has the ability to ‘sacrifice for a time period’ and learn ‘delayed gratification’.”
Palin spent what 5-6 years n 4 different colleges to get one degree. Why did she bother? What does that say about her judgement? I am not saying that college is the be all and end all of life. There is, however, merit to a college education. Try getting a non-administrative job without one. That said, I would rarely council anyone to get more than a masters – after that it is a highway to nowhere.
We can agree or disagree to no end on this, as many have, but what we do know in this context is that Sarah Palin felt the need to put in some effort – to get a degree. Just not from a good school.
“And psychologically, a deep sense of humility, or, lack of arrogance and self-absorption”
Going to a ‘good’ university is a grounding experience for most high-school overachievers. It often breaks students, and in most cases forces them to reinvent themselves. Over 4 degrees, you have, no doubt, witnessed that? Who would be less humble, more arrogant and more self absorbed: – a high school basketball captain who never went to university? Or a high school nerd who has been forced to reinvent herself to succeed in university? And crucially, what is the difference between self-confidence and arrogance. Ever heard of Cristiano Ronaldo – arrogant as hell – but he can afford to be – he is quite simply one of the best at what he does.
Do you really believe that Palin is humble, or lacks arrogance? Allow me to quote a McCain loyalist:
“She is a diva.”
“She takes no advice from anyone. Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party.”
McCain is getting stabbed in the back. Quite literally. I suppose you choose not to notice it.
lynnh, Thank you for proving my point. The world is now elite vs non-elite, is it? How Maoist. It is not about going to all the right schools and knowing the right people. But it does help. You know who to turn to when “Putin rears his head”. Who would you turn to – Joe SixPack, or an elitist Russia expert like Condi Rice. Yeah. Heres the problem for you – experts make up a huge chunk of what you call the elites. Average Joe’s aren’t experts, probably because they don’t try. That is why they aren’t a part of the elite. The problem with Palin’s approach is that she is vilifying elites to make herself look good. That is my central point of contention – that she is trying to discredit the elite. Who is she going to replace them with?
Daisy, it pains me to say this, but I agree with you. Obamas marks should be in the public domain.
Dim,
“Dubya divided it between ….”
You start off well in replying to my comment but then you get sidetracked on the issue of GWB’s education and intelligence. I don’t know if this is an unconscious act or an intentional one on your part. I am neither interested in debating GWB’s educational background nor his IQ which is what the majiority of your reply to my comment deals with. But to steer you back on to the point I was trying to make I suggest you do a Google search using the terms George Bush Most Devisive President. Having just done that I came up with 515,000 hits. I am sure there are many of the hits are repeats but still it is a pretty big number. The second hit was to the following link: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Americas_most_divisive_figure_says_Bob_Woodward_/articleshow/3448806.cms. I don’t know how highly you hold Bob Woodward’s opinion but I am certain it would carry greater weight with more people than mine ever possibly could.
So I’ll rephrase my question to you. Do you honestly believe that Sarah Palin as VP will be more divisive than GWB as President?
And just as an aside I am aware that US presidential elections are rough and tumble events with the candidates and their supporters attacking the credentials and character of their opponents. But this one does seem particularly nasty and I wonder if it may have something to do with the divisive leadership of the past 8 years.
Cheers,
redneck
It never seems to fail that the folks who are the first to determine a public figure lacks intelligence are the most hard pressed to demonstrate any of their own.