Because as everyone knows,
a) Alcoholism is a disease. You can’t cure a disease by throwing sick people in jail.
b) You can’t legislate morality!
Truly, drunk drivers need a better press agent. There’s no other way to explain how the same people who point to reductions in drunk driving rates through enforcement and stiffer sentencing, also argue that “jail is not the answer” for the criminal drug abuser.
Witness this odd defense of “safe injection sites” by Barbara Yaffe;
– Between June of 2007 and June of 2008, 222 users overdosed at the East Hastings clinic and received immediate intervention. Some of those users might otherwise have died in a back alley.
Just as drunks die, unmourned and unexcused, in alleys and ditches every day of the year. What’s so damned special about junkies that they merit the equivalent of a taxpayer funded drunk drivers’ lane with rescue teams at the ready?
“We’re just grateful he didn’t take anyone with him”.
Finally, glimmers of rational thought. Someone in government willing to voice the obvious – “It’s the crap they’re shooting directly into their veins, stupid.”
“The supervised injection site undercuts the ethic of medical practice and sets a debilitating example for all physicians and nurses, both present and future in Canada,” he scolded in an address to the Canadian Medical Association general council meeting in Montreal.
He called providing a safe injection site to drug addicts tantamount to offering palliative care to a patient with a treatable form of cancer. […]
“Is it true that supervised injections offer ‘positive health outcomes?’ I would not put it this way. Insite [Vancouver’s safe injection site] may slow the death spiral of a deadly drug habit, but it does not reverse it. I do not regard this as a positive health outcome.”
Indeed.
And fast forward 30 years to the moment when a Canadian Prime Minister stands before Parliament to issue an official apology – and restitution – to the “Survivors of Safe Injection Sites”. It will happen. One only hopes they bankrupt the Canadian Medical Association first.
And he’s not the only one. In Saskatchewan, SDA gets results!
I do believe, however, in compromise. Simply inform those doctors and junkie advocates so utterly convinced that projects such as Insite are worth funding, that the programs will continue – so long as the injection sites are relocated to their own primary residences.
Gated communities could benefit from a little social diversity, yes?
There’s a difference between junkies and drunk drivers: junkies overdosing only kill themselves; drunk drivers kill others. Take a logic pill.
The has been on talk shows in the lower mainland for some months. It seems that the recovered addicts, hookers, etc are in complete agreement with Clement. The social engineers just can’t accept it.
They (the social engineers) have “scientific studies” that it is working … there you go.
As always Kate you offer the most sensible commentary of all on the topic of the day.
The CMA’s response is not surprising given their track record.
Iberia I think you missed the point entirely.
What are you smoking, lberia? Drug addicts rob, injure, and kill people every day. Some of them do it from behind the wheel, as well.
” Between June of 2007 and June of 2008, 222 users overdosed at the East Hastings clinic and received immediate intervention. Some of those users might otherwise have died in a back alley.”
I wished the hell they had ALL died from overdoses. I have a business in Vancouver near the downtown eastside and I have been victimized by junkies on numerous occasions. So I have to pay double for these derelicts.
I have a relative who is a Vancouver cop who works in the downtown eastside. He thinks Insite is a waste of time and money. He also thinks the mayor of Vancouver is a fool.
Additionally my son owns a construction company that has been doing construction in that area.When they started the job there he took me around to his site.There were numerous junkies hanging around and, being somewhat more liberal(well, much more liberal) that I, he felt sorry for them and diaagree with my solution to the problem(which was to move them from the area and disperse them to different areas). Now after a year his SOLUTION is the euthanize them.
Go to this guy’s blog. He is a REAL expert on treating junkies.
thebernermonologues.blogspot.com
Horny toad
You have once again cornered the hypocrites that make a business out of other people’s misfortunes and advocate treatment (for ever) over definitive measures; because their own bank accounts depend on ‘treating’ rather than curing.
Have any of the medical practitioners offered their homes to service their ‘clients’ yet? Your posters are breathlessly awaiting the first care driven offer.
As for sda’s record of speaking for the people of Sask. – see asterisk. Thank-you Kate!
Iberia- Heroin addiction is definitely not a victimless crime. Everything from shoplifting to home ivasions, to muggings can be directly related to drug addictions. It’s also the number one reason women get involved in the sex trade.
BTW, when are the people (err Dippers) of Sask going to demand safe, WARM tobacco smoking booths for nicotine addicts? And free cigarettes when we cannot afford to pay for our addiction? Player’s cigarette labels claims that tobacco is more lethal than heroin or cocaine so our NEED is much more critical.
Oh I forgot …Dippers, as did Hitler, believe that only ‘loose women, Jewish people and Indians smoke’! I’m not sure what catagory Hitler put King Corge V and Sir Winston Churchill in…probably created one…anyway Guess I answered my own question.
dp “It’s also the number one reason women get involved in the sex trade.”
Sex trade? We used to call them whores … like … it’s the number one reason women became whores.
“What are you smoking, lberia? Drug addicts rob, injure, and kill people every day. Some of them do it from behind the wheel, as well.”
Posted by: Kate at August 21, 2008 2:24 AM
You are trying to compare the damage caused by drunk drivers vs. addicts…perhaps you can provide some comparative statistics. Prove that a junkie using a safe injection site is as bad or worse than a drunk driver. Otherwise it’s just your opinion (and more Con propaganda).
This is shaping up to be an excellent post and thread…
Oh, and put me down for “Close the shoot-up shacks”.
More posts like this one, please, Kate.
It seems like Iberia thinks that someone completely spaced-out on heroin would be perfectly safe to get behind the wheel of a vehicle.
Iberia, prove that they’re not nearly as dangerous as drunks are behind the wheel.
Iberia, you’re telling us that someone like the shirtless, fallen-and-can’t-get-up guy in the photograph… he’s ok to drive?
Gotcha.
Wrong location Kate. Not their homes but the foyer of City Hall. That way they can spend all day with them and will have to come up with imaginative replys to visitors.
Maybe co-locations? Sorta like bring your kid to work days? Work days at City Hall and they get to take em home at night?
I have no doubt there would be more deaths in the short term, and that’s tragic. But I am more concerned with the lives that will be destroyed in years to come if we keep helping people shoot drugs.
What’s the message? Drugs are bad…but, what the heck, if you need help with it….
This woman is obviously a health nut. A trans fat free diet and daily yoga sessions on the street getting plenty of fresh air. We should all aspire to be like her. This is what a leftie government can do for you.
Where’s the logic, where’s the common sense to funding the tools to shoot up ILLEGAL drugs to keep the addicts addicted?
How is that going to stop them from harming themselves or others from other activities known to spread disease?
How is their mental state when under the influence of these drugs going to make them and us safe on the streets?
It’s just so mind boggling it’s hard to believe we’re living in the 21st century as enlightened human beings with information all around us on all manner of things. It’s insane.
Our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan to, among other things, destroy the production of heroin that ends up in our country. When it gets here we enable people to use this drug. What is wrong with this picture?
We have become enablers of a deadly practice–something the CMA supports, all the while whining they cannot provide healthcare to Canadians. What has the CMA been smoking or shooting up?
Iberia:
While most junkies while shot up a probably not so dangerous as a drunk driver – at that moment – I think 20 min down at the police station talking to people who deal with: Murders, theft, assault will reveal that a very large fraction of those crimes are committed by drug users in the course of finding money for their habit or in the course of the “business dealings” to acquire more junk. Wanna bet that that kills and injuries _at least_ at the same % rates as drunkeness?
Personally I’m all for this idea, free drugs fromthe government all of your (short) remaining life. The hitch being that the “safe injection site” will be a camp somewhere in the boonies, surrounded by barbed wire and nice people with “hand held high speed copper-lead injection devices”, if you try to leave. However, with lots of high purity medical grade drugs chances are your be worn out or OD’ed within weeks.
Unlike the gulag, in my idea if you actually “clean up” on your own, you can eventually get out.
Wrong location Kate.
I agree — they need to be a prominent demonstration sport in the 2010 Vancouver Olympics. After all, why not share our caring, compassionate solution with the entire UN and the worldwide “addicition community”?
Wonder how much coverage Mansbridge would give it?
“Murders, theft, assault will reveal that a very large fraction of those crimes are committed by drug users in the course of finding money”
Theodore Dalrymple (Anthony Daniels) says its the other way around…criminals slide into drug use.
What are you smoking, lberia? Drug addicts rob, injure, and kill people every day. Some of them do it from behind the wheel, as well.
Posted by: Kate at August 21, 2008 2:24 AM
Yep and as the addiction get’s worse they’ll kill for a tooney because their need for drugs is the only thing they think of.
Personally I think these safe injection sights are useful to the leftards, it employs them to commit social experiments on junkies whilst feeling ever so good about their tolerant selves.
The first step to curing an addiction is admiting you have one, harm reduction is a fluffy term used by those that think addicts are victims of a social condition and must be coddled. The entire thesis that safe injection sights save lives is bogus, but they know we don’t have the stats to debunk them so they scream we’re aiding the victim to prove they work.
In essense we are funding an addicts addiction, dear me what would AA and ala-non think of that?
How does closing safe-injection sites help curb addicts driving under the influence?
At least addicts can be monitored and their dosages regulated through safe-injection. Closing safe-injection sites moves addicts back to the fringes of society, unwatched and unregulated.
Furthermore, how is it cheaper to put an addict in jail, and have taxpayers fund their entire existence rather than simply fund their drug rehabilitation?
I for one don’t want to pay for addicts to live in jail when with the proper assistance, they’re perfectly capable of quitting drugs and functioning in society. I thought this group were advocates of lower taxes. I guess I was wrong.
These words, “”is something in which we believe.”, are not from lberia, aka Stalin’s executioner, they are from Citoyen Dion, aka leader of the socialist-Liberal Party of Canada.
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“Without being asked about it, he [Citoyen Dion] told the crowd of about 150 students that Canada’s only safe injection site — known as Insite and situated in the Downtown Eastside — “is something in which we believe.”
http://tinyurl.com/5krba9 (ctv)
Pish and tosh, the solution is so obvious. Keep Insite and open a free drinking establishment for those who are want to drink and drive. All we need is doctors and nurses to supervise the drunks and a lot of taxis on standby.
OK having solved the drunk driver problem where do I sign up for my Order of Canada and maybe even my Nobel Peace Prize?
Bravo, bravo – not only is it the #1 reason women become whores, it is also the #1 reason mothers and fathers send their 11 year old daughters out to become whores so that they can get money to buy drugs. yeah, like that is a lifestyle choice my taxes need to pay for!!!
its simple , drug injection sites and drug social services have become an industry unto itself. keeps the social service folks employed.downtown vancouver has become a large scale flophouse and the social welfare types love it.
if you want more of something subsidize it.
lberia- hobbema is a fine example of drugs even outdoing booze as a killing mechanism.
Iberia said: “junkies overdosing only kill themselves”
This is the opinion of Iberia, pillar of the morally superior Progressive Left? The same crusaders who have made smoking in your own car illegal? Inconsistent, to say the least.
No man is an island, Iberia.
By the time a normal human has become a junkie and killed himself/herself, they’ve done a f— of a lot more damage than just to themselves. Leaving aside the stealing and the murders and the beatings and the shootings and the corrosive effects of prostitution on the rest of us, they’ve done horrific damage to their own families.
We have to live in the same world with them, Iberia. You like tragedy and destruction so much you want it living next door? Personally I prefer loud teenage parties next door, at least you can fix that by calling the cops. Hard for the cops to fix a crushed and silent family who’s lost a teenager to the ruination of drugs and prostitution.
I prefer junkies receive -effective- treatment, safe injection sites are not that. They are just cleaner than an alley, allowing junkies to die of drug induced organ failure and AIDS instead of a nice, quick staff aureous infection.
Forced detox, THAT’S effective. Repeat offender idiots get to live on a farm in the woods, waaaay far away from the rest of us.
Either that or just stop pretending we give a rip what happens to these people. Legalize it all, baby. Let the chips fall where they may.
I wish all those brilliant social engineers would advocate safe injection sites for diabetics for type 1 insulin dependents who are trying to stay healthy!! My home is a safe injection site for my son’s type 1 diabetes.
Insite just gives governmental approval to drug abuse and does precisely nothing to help those addicted to get off their habit.
The addicted are there because they have suffered abuse, come from broken families, have mental health issues, etc. etc.
Insite merely sanitizes an otherwise broken life; and cannot be properly identified as true help.
It is the governmental equivalent of applying a band-aid to a gushing artery; the end result is you are probably going to die sooner rather than later. But if it assuages one’s precious social governmental conscience, by all means help them into the hereafter.
I mean what would the Hell Angel’s do if they didn’t have customers to flog their wares to?
Help a pusher today, open up another Insite.
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Yep, I’ll bet there are a lot of ex-junkies out there that wish that instead of rehab and recovery, they had been assisted in their illness and thereby remained a homeless drug addict begging,stealing or selling themselves in order to fund their habit. Their numbers are probably equal to the number of people who want to see an injection site in their neighborhood. As you note, the advocates are not affected by either the junkies themselves or the Insite locations so they do not have to deal with those consequences. After all, to a progressive, nothing shows you care for others quite like flooding their streets with criminals and drug addicts.
Insite might be better than doing nothing at all but it is certainly not the cure to the problem. Removing the drug addicts to a secure facility where they can get drugs and counseling is the more humane answer. It gets them off the streets into protective custody, cleans up the drug neighborhoods making it safer for residents, reduces robberies/prostitution and dries up the dealers clientele. I would think that any parent would rather see their addicted kids in safe custody getting forced treatment than being on the street remaining addicted at the hands of well meaning enablers.
Weaning the government employees and progressives off their need to create new programs like Insite is by far the more difficult addiction to break.
Wooooow, steady up there Kate! I was just about to hit up the gummint to set up some ‘recovering alkyholik kliniks’. I was justify it by using the same logic that the ‘misery industry’ used to set up the shooting galleries.
Like junkies we simply can’t function at all without a coupla shots, if you know what I mean? I was thinking, an unpretentious little bar with a good selection of single malts served in sterilized glasses, and maybe if it wasn’t too much; a baby grand in one corner for itinerant piano players?
Drunk drivers only kill others when they run into others. Then they are charged with manslaughter. You can still get arrested for drunk driving without having been in an accident.
We should give drunk drivers free beer and provide them with free Toyota Priuses which they would use to deliver free needles to drug addicts.
A 3 for 1 progressive solution!
MSM does not mention Conservative Minister Clement’s name in this report.
While Ontario Minister of Health, Minister Clement set up the “SARS detection system”.
Go, Minister Clement.
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“SARS detection system uncovered listeriosis outbreak
CTV.ca News Staff
Ontario’s Chief Medical Officer of Health is crediting the system put in place following SARS with detecting the current listeriosis outbreak.”
I for one don’t want to pay for addicts to live in jail when with the proper assistance, they’re perfectly capable of quitting drugs and functioning in society. I thought this group were advocates of lower taxes. I guess I was wrong.
Posted by: Chuck at August 21, 2008 8:39 AM
Yea we wouldn’t want to protect society from addicts would we. You do realise they’ll kill another human being for a fiver right? People like you never have to live with the damage you do to society, those of us who have loved ones who are addicts can only shake our head at the suffering you are willing to enforce on society to appease your need to feel oh so “Tolerant”. Giving junnkies a place to shoot up is by far the stupidest idea ever to flow out of the dark matter that passes for brain cells.
The stats say safe injection sites work, really where’s the studies for back allys and crack houses? Oh right yea like we’re going to further fund the leftardeds stupid social experiments. Junkies belong on the fringes of society, that’s what happens when you become a portion of society that isn’t deemed acceptable. Obsolving junkies of reponsibility and consequences of their actions is just stupid. If the leftards have their way no one will ever be forced to grow up and accept the consequences for their actions, their utopia sounds like an awful place to live. Where junkies and drunks get their addictive substances for free, rapist and pedophiles will never see the inside of a jail cell and society as a whole will be made up of freaks and perverts.
Oh dear how intolerant of me, tisk tisk.
Not sure if it’s politics in general or Leftist mentality that dulls the mind and screws up the thought process.
Caroline Bennett, Liberal health critic or something, is an MD, believe it or not, who thinks shoot-up sites are the way to go. She also thinks having our Health care delivered by private clinics using our health card is wrong. She doesn’t get what’s been proposed by the new head of CMA who thinks private delivery with our health card would be cheaper and more efficient. She says it would be wrong for anyone to get to the head of the line, hello, that’s not what this is about.
Why would it matter if someone had the money to get faster care to relieve pain or save their lives somewhere else and pay for it themselves?
It follows that person would be getting out of the line and the line would be shorter.
Common sense, where art thou?
Clement is right, that’s why we’re hearing from the social engineering industry. Another chord was struck by yet another Conservative MP.
Tough. Keep the truth coming, they can slag it but they can’t deny it.
Interesting comments. Let me just interject,as a recovering alcholic,who also had an impaired charge 20 years ago,that there really is not that much difference between a druggie and a drunk.A drunk will go to almost the same lengths to obtain his/her “hit” as a druggie. Big difference is,most of us drunks are to stumbling stupid and tired to hold up somebody.Yet we get behind the wheel and drive,when we can’t even see 2 feet in front of us. Why? I really don’t know. We are stupid and can’t even begin to think rationally.We have ingested a mind altering substance,the same as a druggie. BOTH are dangerous,immoral. BUT,a lot of people can drink responsibly,and don’t drive.But I have yet to see a druggie take a hit responsibly.
They are not diseases,they are failings in our moral selves.But with a little help,we can take our lives back and be contributing citizens.God knows it is not easy,but it can be done.Giving druggies free shots,or alcholics free beer accomplishes only one thing: it keeps the socialists in a job,which in MHO is far worse then any alkie or druggie.
There is a controversial procedure known as “instant detox” or “rapid detox”. The addict is put under anaesthetic and administered an opiate antagonist. You can read about it here: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.01/detox.html
I believe we should be looking at this as a better alternative to the ridiculously mis-named “safe injection” sites.
Give ’em three trips through the “instant detox” mill. Next time they are caught, they get a one-time-only hot lead injection (or, for the squeamish, a permanent room at one of H.M. prisons).
Illegal drugs will always be with us until we control the demand side of the equation. It’s pure folly to try to attack it from the supply side.
Think outside the box people.
1- Why do people consume drugs?
Humans have enjoyed getting high since the beginning of time. It gives them a sensation of well being, strength, superiority and relieves fear. Relieves stress and psychological problem for many but not all. Many if not most consumers are functional members of society who just consume for pleasure. Drugs can be nicotine, alcool, cafeine, chocolate, paxil, valium along with the Chech and Chong subject varieties.
Drugs can be the body’s own adrenaline where hardcore thrill seekers get their fix going down a dangerous mointain, bungie jumping, parachuting…Lot’s of tax dollars are spent yearly “rescuing” these addicts too.
Drugs can be purely for narcissistic purpose: Body builders with steroids or the Olympic athlete wanting the fame of a medal using performance enhancers.
2- Is the war on drugs working?
No. Drugs of all kinds are more abondant and easier to get, somewhat cheaper and of higher quality around the world.
3- Who benefits from drugs being illegal?
Directly: Street pushers all the way up to drug cartels who finance much of the terrorists in some areas of the world BTW.
Have I covered all of point 3?
No.
Benefits indirectly: Justice system including police, lawyers, prison guards. SOCIAL WORKERS IN SAFE INJECTION SITES and other branches of social networks. This is a massive industry: (Check link below)
4- Why do addicts often resort to crime in order to satisfy their habit?
Because of the risk associated with dealing illegal substances by their supplier source = Extremely high prices.
5- What would be the benefits and the risks if all drugs were made legal?
Benefits: – A serious (Really serious if not deadly) blow to organized crime. (BTW: Organized crime are the biggest financing advocates again’st illegal drugs = You do the math)
– A tremendous relief from government taxes currently financing the “indirect benefitters” which some includes for Canada the Afghan mission at this moment.
– A steep drop in city violent crime rates from out of business gangs and the addicts themselves as drugs would be more “affordable”.
– Less homelessness because of more money for rent and food (Maybe there are kids suffering in that household).
– More tax dollars for R&D on the chemical aspects of the addiction on the brain and finding solutions and/or replacement drugs that provides the same high without the nasty addiction.
Risks:
– An increase in addicts? That’s debatable. Has the amount of alcoolics increased in the states since the prohibition ban was lifted?
When something is legal it is more publicly exposed and people get more info of the perils than when something is underground.
– More high drivers? Maybe: But this is where much tougher sentences could work. You drive high and get caught. 1st offence: 5 years with no license and must prove absolute cleanliness before renewal. 2nd offence: 2 years in jail and driving ban for life.
My own conclusion:
All drugs should be made legal. Tougher laws with no loopholes should also be put in place at the same time for harm done to others by users: What you put in your body is your own business BUT…
It would not increase our tax burden it would actually reduce it. Check this out:
http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm
It will happen eventually. The first US President who will have enough courage (A bounty will be put on his head) thus is not corrupt will open the trend worldwide. Canada will never do it before the US does. It would be economic suicide.
Who am I? A Conservative supporter (With his libertarian slip showing here ;-)) with lot’s of “experience”.
Wait a minute , Kate – the CMA is like our union and of course the people who gravitate towards being active in the “union” are the nuttiest of left wingers. Most doctors I hang out with think the “safe” injection sites are as stupid and pointless as the methadone programme. Implying that most doctors support this is as ignorant as saying that most communities support these programmes – it simply is not true.
Anybody knows that has had this problem in their families; “brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles, aunts, father or mother”, that the safe injection site is not the answer. These people will scam anybody anywhere, commits acts of assaults, sell themselves, sell their children, basically do anything in order to get the next high.
If these people can get it around any conner, how is safe injection sites going to help. First and foremost is to get the drugs off the street. As far as I know in Alberta, you can find it in every small town, city or community. It is easier to find crack and meth than it is to find a good restaurant.
Applying the law of supply and demand might help rid of us of much of the drug problem.
Wherever there is a demand there will be someone willing to fill it.
Reduce demand. Instead of spending millions trying to put the dealers out of business, redirect those funds.
Here’s how. Every time you see a use on the street you pick it (I’ll use it rather than gender distinctions.) you put it in a cell to dry out. Just a wet towel and a place to puke would be plenty.
After two or three days, let it out with an offer of either a bus ticket home or some basic life skills training.
If it refuses, set it free then wait a day or two until you see it high again on the street, repeat the process.
I guarantee that after two or three horrible dry out sessions, that user with either stop using or it will leave the area hopefully to die elsewhere.
Once the junkies know this routine, they will leave your community and thus take the demand for drugs with them.
The dealers will leave too.
The way it now is … we are helping the dealers continue to move their product and they are grateful.
I know how to stop drunk driving too, but I’ll save that for another time.
Right on familydoc! You mention “safe” injection sites to most doctors and they laugh. Leaving aside all morality and social questions, the notion that giving people the right equipment makes it safer to do something inherently destructive makes intelligent people giggle.
There are some who start sputtering about social responsibility. These would be the same ones that think the OHRC should be the source of moral decisions for physicians in Ontario, not the individual conscience of the doctor on the scene.
Those people are the reason I don’t practice physiotherapy in Ontario. It is safer to climb thirty foot ladders and paint for a living than to deal with such people. More satisfying too.
“You have once again cornered the hypocrites that make a business out of other people’s misfortunes and advocate treatment (for ever) over definitive measures; because their own bank accounts depend on ‘treating’ rather than curing.”
YUp!
I must be a bad person but I have NO sympathy for drug addicts, and I couldn’t care less about their well being. I will reserve my sympathy for those who deserve it like veterans and handi-cap people living in poverty by no fault of their own. Other people I don’t have sympathy for are: addicted gamblers, alcoholics and historically disadvantaged people who can not seem to make it in the softest country in the world. PATHETIC!
This isn’t New York it’s Canada, if you can’t make it here, you can’t make it anywhere!
I’m all in favor of clean needle distribution to slow down HIV and Hep C transmissions. It doesn’t require medical personnel to distribute them. I don’t see the point of medical personnel overseeing addicts injecting themselves with unknown dosages of unproven substances. It’s bad medical practice with lots of risk and liability. People aren’t allowed to bring pills from home to a hospital and use them there for the same reasons.
Safe injection sites aren’t a very smart idea.
Iberia, read this and tell me junkies only harm themselves you s**t for brains retard:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,406762,00.html
LAKE HAMILTON, Fla. — A Florida man was arrested after allegedly going on a violent rampage after a minor fender-bender, slashing and stabbing the occupants of a car, then running over and killing a woman who had been riding in another nearby vehicle.
Casey Weldon Till, 26, of Haines City, faces murder and carjacking charges after the attacks involving family members traveling in two vehicles.
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The violence apparently unfolded after Till’s minivan slammed into a stopped car being driven by Cespedes’ daughter, 19-year-old Ivon Despaigne, and her boyfriend, 21-year-old Angel Gonzalez, of Kissimmee. When the couple got out to check the damage, Till allegedly slashed Gonzalez’s throat and stabbed Despaigne in the neck.
Investigators say Till then got into the couple’s car and repeatedly rammed the vehicle ahead, occupied by Cespedes, her husband, 41-year-old Mario Despaigne, and their 6-month-old granddaughter.
The couple got their granddaughter out of the car seat and Cespedes was trying to flee with the baby in her arms when she was killed, Mario Despaigne said in an interview with The Ledger, which was conducted through an interpreter.
Mario Despaigne said Till drove over his wife’s leg, then ran over her again after seeing she was still moving. Despaigne said he grabbed the baby. Then Gonzalez got into Till’s van and hit him, then tried to back over him, but Till rolled out of the way, according to the arrest report.
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Till told police he was high on crack at the time.
Penny – you should review the needle exchange stats for Saskatchewan.
They’re handing them out in buckets – literally. Over 2 million in the city of Regina alone – a city of 200,000.
In short, they’re subsidizing drug dealers, who load up the free needles and resell them.
Oh, as far as the CMA link goes:
1) most doctors practice medicine, not activism. Ergo, while the few leftards hang out at CMA union meetings, most doctors are busy working 60-80 hour weeks treating patients. They don’t have time to go off to a CMA meeting and vote for a “policy” they couldn’t give two s**ts about.
2) any union is unrepresenative of it’s members who are forced to pay for it. Even at auto plants, there are more conservatives than dippers. It’s just the dippers who run the unions. Most members hate their unions. Doctors are no different.
CHUCK
“I for one don’t want to pay for addicts to live in jail when with the proper assistance, they’re perfectly capable of quitting drugs and functioning in society. I thought this group were advocates of lower taxes. I guess I was wrong.”
If I accept your premise for conversations sake you can consider this: Some of us are not willing to sacrifice our values to save some $$. I for one am willing to pay for quarantining junkies from society( our sons and daughters), just like some of us think that no price tag is too high to have some creeps(pedophiles) executed.
I can’t wait for some safe smoking sites to provide a buffer against the smoking nazis!