TEXAS
Clinton 1,140,944 50%
Obama 1,087,161 48%
And Ohio.
Does anyone else get the impression that had the Clintons redirected even a fragment of the red hot burning lust they exhibit for the acquisition of personal political power to the task of protecting their nation’s interests, there might well be a pair of towers still standing in New York CIty today?
Related! A victory for Clinton or a victory for the VRWC?
But Kate, Billy Blowjob did direct his efforts towards what he believed was national interest, and that is precisely why those towers are not standing today.
Kate: That is the best comment ever made regarding the Clintons and what may have been. What WILL be if that pair regain power is horrifying to contemplate. Trumped only by the contemplation of an Obama win.
I find it utterly fascinating that so much horribleness, done to so many, by so few can be laid at the feet of: just one.
But that’s the wonderful thing about the political blogosphere, isn’t it? You can make any statement you want and somehow always ‘find’ the evidence to support it…
…and most likely, a horde of others to back you up.
You’ve got to love it.
Cheers!
Leto
It’s 3:00 am an aide comes into the Presidents bedroom and says “Mrs. President, sorry to wake you but Bill is still not home. Should we lock the front door again?”
Right wingers are all for personal responsibility…except when it applies to them. Bush was in charge. Bush had information from various intelligence agencies about the attacks. What happened to “The buck stops here”?
Great news. I would have hated to see Hillary knocked out and Obama the candidate. So easily. Let them knock each other silly. Shoot, we may even begin to see some Obama scrutiny. Not holding my breath, but this has to be the best possible result for someone like me who would hate to see Obama surf to the presidency.
Rush Limbaugh worked hard on his radio show that boasts over 20 million daily listeners, many in Texas, to vote for Hillary for the very purpose of keeping her in the game.
I think that helped with the present situation. You can listen to Rush in the morning on line for free. I am sure he will be ecstatic on tomorrow’s show.
I love it. Watching the two dem leaders rips strips of each other for the next five or six months. There will much ammunition created for McCaine to use on the ultimate winner in the dem contest.
I still don’t believe that most Americans want a woman or a Negro as leader of their country. That is no more racist than the drivel coming from the Obama campaign and his wooing of the black vote. Race is playing a huge part in his campaign and of course no one is allowed to talk about the racist overtones there.
If Clinton is to blame for 911 then is Bush Sr to blame for the first trade centre bombing?
Iberia, Read The Cell by John Miller and Michael Stone. Might waken you up to some of the facts. You might then want to revise your comment.
The people to blame for 911 are the Islamofascists who perpetrated the acts. It’s easy to find fault when hindsight is 2020. Remember, things were different then. Things changed dramatically afterwards. Our perceptions have all changed 360 since 911.
So the only people to blame are those who want to destroy us and have been trying to do so since Israel became a country in 48
The Yankee’s need to cut off the money funneled from the House of Suad/Middle East.
Hey, John West, I can’t speak for most Americans, but this middle-aged, suburban, white guy would love to vote for a black and a woman for President. Unfortunately, Dr. Rice isn’t running.
The many Islamist attacks on the USA on Clinton’s watch were not decisively dealt with: e.g., the Clinton administration emphasized tackling home-grown terrorism, despite a clear pattern of al-Qaeda terrorism against the US and US assets overseas. There was the World Trade Centre bombing (1993), as well as the US embassy bombings in Africa (1998) and the USS Cole bombing (2000). There were also two attacks on US military installations in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996.
So, after eight years of Clinton being dozy at the switch, to hold Bush primarily to blame for the security breaches—on-going—that allowed 9/11 to happen, just months into his tenure, is somewhat disproportionate, to say the least.
Now, CBC has informed us that Jack Nicholson, Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand support Clinton. Doesn’t that inspire confidence?
Yes Rick,
SOME of us have had our perceptions changed 360 degrees since 9/11. Ahem.
At least when my head gets turned it only spins 180 degrees.
Really?
9/11 was Clinton’s fault?
Of course it was. It had nothing to do with Reagans pro-Jihadi policies, and Bush Seniors decision to leave Afghanistan to the Jihadis.
No it was Clinton’s fault for coninuing with the policies that the Republicans had put into motion. 12 years of Republican rule combined with the Iron law of Oligarchy – makes for some serious bureaucratic obstacles informing Clinton about what he could or could not do. Look at Condie and Powell at the State Department.
That really was some uninformed crap from Kate. I know she sinks low, but this was just bizzare.
If you search Captain Capitalism’s archive you’ll find a chart showing a dramatic drop in workplace participation for teenagers coinciding with the Bush presidency.
Basically what happened is that the $5 an hour job packing groceries after school now goes to the $3 an hour illegal alien. The $20 an hour summer construction job goes to the $8 an hour illegal alien. It’s kids, women, and poor people who get hurt worst by illegal immigration. And consumers.
It’s the people who ignored this and other indicators for the past 8 years who should be arrested, charged, and convicted of treason. There is no precedent anywhere in world history for a society to willingly and fatally harm itself to such a degree as the USA under George W. Bush.
there might well be a pair of towers still standing in New York CIty today?
You mean, the Clintons could have prevented Bush from coming to power thus avoiding the Bushies’ disregard of all the warnings about Bin Ladin’s intent to strike within the US?
How so, Kate?
…maybe you should do some remedial work on current affairs. Unless you’re just lying, you don’t seem to be paying attention.
John West…I would agree with MikeM on this.
It is not because he is Negro, or she is a women that they aren’t qualified to be President…
it is because they are not qualified.
lberia and sput…how are things going for the Michael Moore fanclub these days?
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You just dropped 9/11 as a Clinton mismanagement? Sorry, no, it’s a Bush failure, through and through. It may not have been preventable, but if it was preventable by anyone, it was Bush.
I don’t care to argue this too much, but do some friggen research.
Wow, the trolls are out in force today. Why do the lefties love this icky Clinton man so much? Is it his ability to cheat on his wife with anyone he wants, abuse any woman he wants, and even get away from a credible rape charge while still lauded by feminists? I have to admit that does require a certain . . . talent.
Clinton had a chance before 9/11 to kill bin Ladin but he didn’t because he was worried about his image — didn’t want to look trigger-happy. He and his wife invested huge amounts of energy in protecting their back from all sorts of corruption charges that spanned years, and blackmailing people with hundreds of FBI files, selling nuclear secrets to China for campaign donations, as well as curbing and silencing all those ‘bimbo eruptions.’ They had no energy to spare for finding out who bombed the Cole and the Khobar towers. Lust for power trumped national security. Kate is right.
Bush stood by the Patriot Act and took the battle to bin Ladin in Afghanistan and to al-Qaeda in Iraq, despite half of the U.S. and all of Hollywood, Europe’s hypocritical intelligentsia, and Canada’s self-righteous disapproval. He risked his presidency to protect his nation. National security trumps lust for power. There has been no terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.
Hang on fsda whatever, Bush is just one man and not a dictator. If he wielded that kind of power, we’d be living next door to Venezuela. Look up Ted Nugents take on illegal immigration. Let the border patrol DO ITS JOB!!!!! It’s amusing to say the least to hear illegals chirp about their “rights”. Not too much being said by either party about slamming the doors shut and when there is “Oh no!!! We can’t become fortress America!”
Before you get on me about quoting a conservative rocker, listen to all on the left in lock step with the likes of Oprah, Streisand and any of the thousands of lefties in Hollyweird.
Wow, Kate, I think you’re on to something…sheesh, just wait until Obama or Clinton’s in the White House…then they’ll finish off the Pentagon for good this time!!! After that, it’s the Golden Gate bridge!! Then they’ll arrange to have terrorists fill the Grand Canyon with cement!!! There’s no stopping them!!
The Democratic Party: destroying America’s tourist attractions, one president at a time.
I don’t think you can really blame anyone for the 9/11 stuff. I think that before that time many experts did not see the situations occurring around the world as a pure coordinated Islamist thing. (Even though they heard of AQ, etc. – they did not understand the extent of the evil.)
I think that the big difference was that Bush started to grasp the root causes and he started to see a solution which was not pretty but was going to have to happen. Bill Clinton did not see this.
Clinton did have the guts to protect Kosovo so he may have done more against Islamism if he had really understood the problem.
Also, I recently read a biography about Bush (although it came out about 4 years ago). He received a lot of feedback on the ME from Clinton (he actually sought Clinton’s advice). In particular, Clinton told Bush how he had been stabbed in the back by Arafat when trying to negotiate a peace deal. Bush believed him and when he directly caught Arafat smuggling arms to Gaza – he directly refused to talk to Arafat – Arafat was not a hero anymore – he was dishonest and he got caught. The point though is that Bush was cool enough to seek out advice from Clinton to try to understand what was going on in the ME – and in a way Clinton’s advice helped shape Bush’s policy (including his current approach).
Anyway, very few people had a clue as to what was happening before 9/11. Clinton (supposedly with the highest IQ of all Presidents – and with expert advice) did not see the problem because there were not enough data points to get a fit. 9/11 provided that extra data point.
Yes, JR, and it was going to be the “dark night of fascism” under Bush, with every dissenting voice locked out of the way and Republican Brownshirts roaming the streets.
The Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, George Clooney, Hollyweirdos writing scripts about assassinating their president, Cindy Sheehan, . . . all languishing in jail or shot, right?
The Democrats . . . reducing political discourse to “you’re Hitler, man!”, one Republican president at a time (while enjoying freedoms protected by him).
how long before the George McChimpyBushHitler callers howl about this one.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/03/limbaugh-caller.html
9/11 happened in part because the US and the west as a whole (i didn’t hear anyone in canada sounding the alarm) underestimated what these fanatics were capable of – much like Pearl Harbour in ’41.
Back to the actual topic of Kate’s post:
HC will fight to get Mi and FL on the delegate count. Expect the next 7 wks until PA to be about almost nothing else. The party has to let them in or risk losing those states in Nov.
Many Dems are probably seeing BO’s upward flight as having stalled. The fad is coming to an end. He trails JM in national polls. HC may become the ripcord the party pulls as they see BO go crashing back to earth. At least they will have a fighting chance with her come Nov.
Also noted last night that Willie was nowhere to be seen.
Obama’s voting record makes Jack Layton look like a Conservative. I agree with many posts here. Let them tear each other apart in front of the world. And then, hopefully, Clinton wins. And is drained.
I think McCain will have an easier time winning against her.
If not, it’s better the devil you know.
Kate: your mini posts get dumber by the day, if not the hour. The Clintons are responsible for the fall of the twin towers now? How do you figure that? Wasn’t it Dubya’s administration that got the briefing telling them an attack using jets as bombs was not only possible but likely? I’m sorry Kate, but you’ve forced me to use my special Shakespearean Insulter. Hold for your insult, please….
“False face must hide what the false heart doth know…”
Actually there is only one man responsible for the revival of the floundering Clinton fortunes and that is …Stephen Harper. The leaked memo of
Obama duplicity over NAFTA has finally found the Senator from Illinois’s Achilles heel and set Clinton’s rebound in motion. You can blame Harper. Blame Canada.
Canadians enthralled with Obamania, déjà vu Trudeaumania, are now seeing that it is really the GOP that supports NAFTA which helps keep the Canadian economy thriving as an enormous part of our GDP (it was about 40% , a bit lower now) is dependent upon trade and mostly trade with the USA.
Also the SSM crowd will be interested in Obama thoughts on that subject. These same secular extremists will also be surprised to see that Obama may be guided from the Sermon on the Mount … scary.
“I will tell you that I don’t believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them. So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other. I don’t think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state. If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans. That’s my view. But we can have a respectful disagreement on that.”
While I think Obama would be a very inexperienced guy and thus dangerous to be the world’s super cop in the White House, I almost hope he makes it so I can watch the “progressives” here in Toronto go apoplectic as they get to know him. They will be wishing GWB was back.
But ironically NAFTA-gate discussions with the Canadian Consulate in Chicago may be what takes Obama down as the unions back the Hildebeast and her junkyard dog Bubba to protect them from free trade and free market capitalism.
The media is now starting to ask BO some tougher questions and he gets testy when he is put on the defensive.
The media sharks smell blood in the water and I think the 1st term Senator is now in for some additional scrutiny.
His squirm time is coming.
The Clintons still have a lot of friends in powerful media positions to help them.
Osama was in jail, and he was offered to Clinton to be transferred to the USA. Clinton said NO.
Therefore, 911 is Clintons fault. He could have taken the guy, put him in jail, and let out on bail, free to do his thing.
We all better hope Clinton wins the nomination. If Obama becomes the next POTUS, it’s going to be an uncomfortable time for Canada. With all the blabbering over the Cadman non-story, people aren’t paying much attention to the worst mistake this government has made, the Obama-NAFTA leak. We could be paying a dear price for that one for years to come.
there might well be a pair of towers still standing in New York CIty today?
kate, you’re unbelievably stupid.
Well, if the Clinton regime had recognized that Islamic fascism, which seeks a fundamentalist governance in the ME Arab states and is opposed to modernism, industrialism and democracy, would focus their attacks – not on Saudi Arabia, the chief site of Al Qaeda’s hatred – but on the US, things might have been different.
The Clinton era considered the attacks against the West as criminal acts by individuals, not as as part of an agenda of a fascist group. They didn’t realize that Al Qaeda wanted the West to attack Saudi Arabia, take out its tribal elite who’ve gotten wealthy from industrial oil – and then, the fascists would move in and set up a fundamentalist Islamic nation.
Instead, Bush moved into Afghanistan and removed the one currently existent fundamentalist government, which was kept in place by severe and vicious repression – and enabled the development of a democracy. [Yes, tribalism is still a serious problem; you can’t move from a tribal to a civic system in a month’s war, and Al Qaeda is using these tribes to disable the govt.]
And he then moved into Iraq, which I consider an excellent strategy, because it used the weakest state in the area, a dictatorship also kept in place by vicious repression, to free the people from that mode, and enable democracy to move into the area..by the back door, so to speak.
Hindsight is always correct. But it was Bush and his staff who recognized the nature of and solution to Islamic fascism.
John West – could you provide the data base for your statement:
“I still don’t believe that most Americans want a woman or a Negro as leader of their country.”
The reason I ask for a data base is because the data base that I see in the MSM, and of course, it could be wrong, is that millions of Americans are actually voting for both a ‘Negro and a woman” as leader of their country. So- what’s you data base?
I must also add that I find it problematic to align yourself with the ‘most Americans’ strategy; that’s a fallacy – ad populam, appeal to the mass/mob. I always get tiffed off when our Liberals/NDP do the same, with their: “Mr. Speaker, most Canadians think that”..or “Most Canadians want’…Heck what do they know?
John West, I think instead of using fallacies (no data base, ad populam) you should simply state that it’s your personal opinion.
As for Hillary Clinton and Obama, what this is showing is that the Democrat voters are split. I wonder if it’s possible for such a split to even allow a clear winner? That’s why their ticket might have to include both of them – that would be an internal cat-fight. I don’t like either of them; both are big govt; Hillary is controlling and Obama is a 1960’s vacuous leftie.
RM said “the worst mistake this government has made, the Obama-NAFTA leak. We could be paying a dear price for that one for years to come.”
I think Emerson and PM Harper answered that one. We have the oil, gas and water.
I hate to give the leftards any cover but there is ample bi-partisan blame to go around.
We know Carter made things a thousand times worse but what did Reagan do about the Barrack bombing in Beruit or the growing “issues” with the PLO?
What did Bush Senior do?
Clinton tried his best to ignore many bombs but so did the rest of them.
W would have kept on ignoring the problem if the problem didn’t make itself unignorable (to coin a new word.)
On the other hand, no one but Clinton had Sudan offer Bin Laden’s head on a platter and he declined.
So he gets more blame than the norm.
Re the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy against Hillary
Hillar Clinton being interviewed this morning on Fox News …
Fox: Over the last month, Rush Limbaugh has been suggesting to his listeners in Texas and Ohio, to go ahead and vote for YOU. What’s your message to Rush Limbaugh TODAY ?
HC: Be careful what you wish for Rush !
Fox: Is that it ?
HC: I think that’s it
Fox: Do you think you wound up with some cross-over Republicans ?
HC: No I don’t … I don’t think so, In fact I think there was a concerted effort to get Republicans to vote for Barrack. At the end of the day, what difference does it make ? …
kate, you’re unbelievably stupid.
Hey. She’s got the right to her opinion. But just calling her stupid as a response?
Well, that’s just st… not well thought out.
Sheesh.
Cheers!
Leto
haha…whoa, talk about revisionist history! I think you can blame many more people in line ahead of Clinton for the World Trade Towers…..you can include every President who has held hands with the House of Saud in that line for starters….
And it isn’t a love of Clinton, its a yen for history steeped in reality.
“kate, you’re unbelievably stupid.”
Posted by: jeff davidson at March 5, 2008 10:03 AM
Yeah, Kate, don’t you know that it was an inside Zionist-ChimpyBushMcHitler job by now? Even that French Actress knows that.
Muttsrus, using energy as leverage is the “nuclear option”, only to be used as a last resort. There are plenty of smaller conflicts that arise between Canada and the US that will become more difficult to resolve if President Obama holds a grudge.
What Fred at 9:35AM is alluding to (I believe) is this:
Angry Barack Obama bombarded by media
An exasperated Barack Obama scurried away Monday from the toughest news conference of his campaign, telling reporters who kept shouting questions that he’d spent enough time on the grill.
“Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions,” Obama, looking surprised, told shouting reporters as he fled the room. “We’re running late.”
The Clinton campaign has long complained that Obama gets soft treatment from the press corps. But Monday’s exchange was no pillow fight.
The first question was about a private talk an Obama economic adviser had with a Canadian official – reportedly saying that the harshness of Obama’s criticisms of the North American Free Trade Agreement was for political show.
Last week, Obama denied an initial media report about the conversation. But after a Canadian government memo surfaced, he acknowledged yesterday there was a conversation.
“When I gave you that information, that was the information that I had at the time,” he said. His camp still disputes the memo’s account of the discussion.
ps.. what a pain in the neck your blog is Kate.. gotta fill in every paragraph with html code… unless I’m doing something wrong?
One might hope that Canadians are owed any knowledge that a trading partner might have intentions of tossing NAFTA.
Which Canadian political party is going to say that our citizens should be left in the dark?
I know you blame the Clinton’s for 9/11, but Kate, I’m curious how you’re going to get them the blame for the holocaust as well. You’re talented enough. You just might achieve it. Might take a doctored photo or two, but that’s nothing you can’t handle.
Twin Towers can be debated. IIRC, Clinton let NYC handle the first attack as a police matter, not a federal concern or an act of war. So the terrorists got the full protection of the USA court system and a trial that kept their colleagues oversea very well informed of what the USA knew. (Thanks Lynn Stewart) Meanwhile Pres. Clinton and Janet Reno were very busy attacking folks in Waco, Texas, and the Weavers in Idaho and returning a six year old, whose mother risked and lost all for freedom, to the communist dictators in Cuba. Seems to me that those were Pres. Clintons prioritys.
Let’s see, there’s directly causing a tragic event and then there’s falling asleep on your watch while a tragic event is allowed to happen. I believe that’s what the post is referring to as a valid point of discussion. But don’t let comprehension get in your way, Raphael.
Don’t let the fact that September 11, 2001 was well into the term of Georgie get in your way, mutts.
So, Obama holds a grudge, and if elected will punish Canada. I don’t think so.
But, what is Hillory wins, wont she have to thank Canada.
What if JM wins. Wont he have to thank Canada for getting rid of BO so Hillory is his opponent. She will be easier for him to beat.
So, it is two for good canadian relations and 1 against.
PMSH might even get an invite to the famous bedroom in the white house.
Obama might hold a grudge, but the Clintons get even.