Can you spot the missing side of the political spectrum?
Perhaps we should jail any scientist that denies there is a political motive behind climate change…
Can you spot the missing side of the political spectrum?
Perhaps we should jail any scientist that denies there is a political motive behind climate change…
The settled science mindset of Global Warming fanatics is typical unreasoned, Leftist pap. When we have settled science, environmental or any other science, we no longer exist.
It’s too bad the likes of Suzuki and Gore are so willing to spend all their intellectual capital on mythical/junk science. They’re pretty well spent at this juncture, they don’t take questions even though they imply they have all the answers.
I think you will find a lot of support here for the cause of Quebec separation QS. I for one. Enjoy. My reasons center around what is my opinion the unreasonable amount of power Quebec holds in this federation. It may have made sense in 1867, but less and less today. So, bon voyage is what I say. If supporting your cause makes me a racist, well, I guess that makes me a racist.
But back on topic, the discussion here is how best to maximize the quality of the environment. Me writing a big cheque to the Chinese government just doesn’t seem to cut it for me.
On the other hand, driving the speed limit is something I can do to reduce my impact on the planet. On a daily basis. Do you do the same? Do you ever speed?
I choose to drive strictly within the posted speed limit voluntarily for a variety of reasons, the environment included. It’s less stressful, so it is better for my health. There is less kinetic energy if I end up in a collision, which means potentially less trauma. Both reasons equate to less risk for the state operated and funded healthcare system. I use less fuel, so it conserves my financial resources. It’s less wear and tear on my vehicle, so my vehicle lasts longer, which means I use fewer of the planet’s resources in my lifetime, and have more funds to donate to charity. It’s a good example to my children. It’s a courtesy to other drivers. It’s logical, so I do it.
Do you? Why not start, tomorrow. Drive no more than the limit. Ever. Anywhere. Take action!
atheist quebecois separatiste — I think that the difference is that no one is questioning the existence of Jupiter, while many scientists have argued against the theory of global warming . . . their numbers are increasing and their arguments increasingly have more credibility than the sanitized “science” sponsored by and published by the IPCC. It is always important to be alert to situations in which you are being manipulated (even where credible public figures may be involved — they are easy to manipulate also.) I am concerned because in this case even the press seems to have succumbed to a conspiracy of silence as more evidences emerges that the earth clearly is not warming.
shaken, you are correct.
Driving the speed limit will do more for the environment than sending money to a Gore/Suzuki/China scam.
But Snake Oil Salesmen know where the most compliant customers will be found. In University classrooms — not in the middle of a highway.
Suzuki has used this tact all his life. It isn’t about success on the environment. It’s about succeeding as a Cult Leader.
separatist,
Anyone who denies that the basis for the quebec separatist movement is pure, racist, ethnic nationalism is either ignorant of history or lying.
It’s a movement for the “pure lain” quebecor. This is why “money and the ethnic vote” was blamed for its failure in the last referendum.
It’s ethnic nationalism. Period.
shaken,
Supporting separation for quebec from outside both quebec and pure lain society isn’t racist, it’s housecleaning.
Why wouldn’t we want to rid ourselves of an expensive pest?
quebecois separatiste – the term ‘quebecois’ refers to a ‘people’ defined as a nation. Not a geographic site, Quebec, defined as a nation. Hitler was also defining a ‘people’ as a nation.
My point, which you are ignoring, is that your attempt to link people who are opposed to AGW as biased, in the manner of people being against a scientific theory because the scientist was Jewish is a totally invalid analogy.
Equally, your attempt to declare that the Right dislikes the Left – means that anything the Left supports must be rejected by the Right – is invalid.
I also disagree with people calling you names (frogman); it’s ad hominem. I’m against your arguments because they are invalid arguments. Nothing to do with you speaking French or living in Quebec.
By the way, I’m totally in agreement with your desire for Quebec to separate; I think that the ROC can’t and shouldn’t support Quebec.
However, with Mario Dumont’s perspective, Quebec is changing from being an immature socialist welfare state, insisting that the ROC support it, to, gradually, taking responsibility for its own lifestyle. It still has a long way to go – it has to break the power of the unions, and take charge of its own funding for many of its services.
Again, I suggest that you spend some time on the internet, on critical thinking, and ‘fallacies of thought’.
shaken – I agree with you about the unreasonable amount of power Quebec has been allotted, in the federation. This includes its House seat allotment, no matter its population. And it includes the Charter, which in my view, was primarily written to entrench bilingualism in Canada. Since we are not and never will be, a bilingual nation, it’s an enormous expense, and in addition, has a result that 80% of the population are barred from key economic and political positions in govt in Canada.
I think we should have a unilingual Quebec and unilingual the ROC.
shaken and shamrock – good arguments on the pollution/emissions situations.
“Settled science” is an oxymoron. “Skeptical scientist” is a redundancy. To claim that the science of global warming is “settled” reveals a profound misunderstanding of the scientific method. To claim that the AGW theory of climate change is proven reflects a profound misunderstanding of even rudimentary physics and thermodynamics. Computer “modelling” of the climate is even more risibly absurd. The equations which could describe major determinants of climate such as convection, turbulence, cloud formation, precipitation, wind etc. simply don’t exist. “Modelling” of the global climate by computer is therefore a fool’s quest for anything beyond rough descriptors of immediate contexts.
Credible scientists who believe they have defined a theory accurately describing natural phenomena invite scrutiny of that theory and look forward to defending it against its critics. This is part of the scientific process and successful defense adds credibility to the theory. The fact that Suzuki and his ilk shun debate and offer only ad-hominae in their defense exposes them as charlatans.
LindaL: You said: their numbers are increasing and their arguments increasingly have more credibility than the sanitized “science” sponsored by and published by the IPCC.
Do you have a couple of examples of the more creditable arguments?
Thanks,
John
I didnt realize what a forward thinker Lucien Bouchard was. I think the scientists in 1988 were still preaching global cooling.
A couple of BIG examples; The Sun and Mars.
Many, many nore. But they will not be found in the Media, Public Schools, University Arts classes, The United Nations or Hollywood.
Most citizens know the truth but are too busy working and paying taxes to the above to call the Gore/Suzuki crowd on it.
“Perhaps we should jail any scientist that denies there is a political motive behind climate change…”
Or maybe … go Islamic on their asses!
“What distinguishes human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom is foresight, the ability to look ahead, to recognize dangers and opportunities”
Animals are better at recognizing enemies, while many people seem to have completely lost that instinct. Some people DO recognize “opportunities”, like Suzuki and Gore and the rest who stand to get rich off the fear mongering.
And many people, in discussing “climate change” act like the lemmings in that old Disney film, stampeding off the cliff into the ocean, ably played by the Bow River, not far from Calgary.
When David Suzuki abandons his luxury, diesel fume spewing tour bus and Al Gore his personal jet and hired limos for ox carts, perhaps then I will start to listen to them. I don’t think it is unreasonable for those preaching sacrifice and restraint for others to at least set the example.
John Cross … is this the first time you have ever read this blog?
Click HERE You lazy tw*t
There is not One single scientist nor scientific paper arguing against agw, that john cross would not diss.
There is not ONE single iota of IPCC science that john cross will not cling to till the end of his days.
We could present every sinlge argument, article and scientist to john cross- including the increasingly large number of IPCC scientists that have jumped ship, stating that their arguments have been distorted, words deleted, and that the sience is looking increasingly WRONG- and jc would find something ‘wrong’ with it.
Why bother? We’re supposed to ignore trolls.
I add CO2 to my freshwater aquarium to encourage plant growth. I do not add any air or oxygen, although the powerheads produce surface rippling that aerates when it’s on. The plants grow lushly. The fish love it. Just like 3rd grade science, the animals need oxygen producing CO2 gobbling plants a lot more than plants need CO2 producing oxygen gobbling animals, which turns out to be not at all.
Yes, I agree with many of the previous posts. Would everyone please quit calling quebecois separatiste a frog — it is unfair to frogs
Repeat with repaired LINK
John Cross … is this the first time you have ever read this blog??
CLICK HERE You lazy Tw*t
Well said ET at 200. I am in complete agreement.
I think there should be a study to find out why Saskatoon seems to lead the west in embracing the likes of Suzuki and Gore. Is there something wrong with the water? Does the presence of a university affect the rest of the population? Or is it something as simple as the balance of nature,Fruitfly and Goracle counteract the common sense of SDA?
There is something sadly funny that we allow Suzoooki to divert our attention from what we could all do to improve things.
If the planet is warming or cooling, makes no difference anyway. The planet is being poisoned much more quickly.
Oil man and ex-premier, a very wise Peter Lougheed, says we should slow Tar Sands projects. The toxic settling pools are numerous and can be seen from space. The surface area equal to Florida will be stripped.
Clean water tables are life*s priority one, warming or no warming. If toxic pools leach into a massive clean water table, there is no way to turn it off.
Soutern Alberta, Saskathewan and Western states are running low on good water. California must allocate Billion$ to build more de-salination plants.
Giant coal liquifaction complex in Africa is a bigger poisoner than the Tar Sands.
Global warming? Waste of time!
Just on the radio today. The government is about to legislate low or no phosphates in laundry and dish cleaning products because our lakes are becoming marine moss pools.
That will help 2%. The major offender is landscaping and farming run-off. No word on that though.
While we are diverted by Suzuki and Goracle, the government does a little here and there. = TG
[quote]Credible scientists who believe they have defined a theory accurately describing natural phenomena invite scrutiny of that theory and look forward to defending it against its critics. [/quote]
DrD,
They would also exhibit the “Correct Amount of fear” that they may be wrong!
Only an Idiot would “not” question theory!
Nobody dares to talk about the WATER that goes into the environment when fossil fuels are burned, even though it has a specific heat capacity of 4.19(almost four times that of CO2).
Whatever.
Obviously politicians ARE as powerful as God, what with the ability control the weather and all. Let’s just accept a carbon tax already…
Oh, don’t pay any serious attention to Saskatoon’s U of Sask, wallyj.
They have a Prof there that called the Candian Wheat Board the ‘Wayne Gretzy of barley marketing’ in the world.
He obviously had no understanding how the CWB grain marketing programs were being constrained by the Crooked Liberal party du Canada.
In fact, as a testament of CWB selling prowness, the Maltsters threatened the CWB with about a $50 million lawsuit to get the cheap barley that the CWB had pre-sold them waaaaaaayyyyy below the market prices.
But it is tough to get that comfortable old commie feeling out of the system that poor old Sask has been cursed with, for too long.
Let us pray for them.
settled, indeed.
John Cross — try this for a start:
http://www.amazon.com/Chilling-Stars-Theory-Climate-Change/dp/1840468157
Let me know what you think.
LindaL: It is an interesting idea and it deserves to be examined in more detail. However there are several strikes against it.
First, this image shows a plot of cosmic rays against global temperature (GISS). As you can see there appears to be no relation.
There are some other problems with how it could explain some of the recent observations and we can go into these if you wish.
So, like I said – an interesting idea but a long way from being more than speculation.
Regards,
John
LindaL: the idea is an interesting one that deserves to be examined. The problem is that it does not match the observations.
Cosmic rays have followed up and downs but have remained essentially constant for the last 50 years. On the other hand global temperatures have gone up significantly.
Regards,
John
Otter: I would not diss anyone. What I would do and like to do is to follow the science wherever it leads. If that is your definition of a troll – so be it.
Regards,
John
Suzuki’s slick Vancouver PR firm is not taking this lying down:
http://www.desmogblog.com/national-post-rabid-response-team-assails-suzuki-over-jail-quote
Suzuki lacks focus. . .
Far from trashing *Doc* or anyone, I would rather he gain some real ground.
If his intellect is really as shiny as you suggest, Suzuki would have simplified things and provided focus for us who are trying to be effective.
A simple 10 item list of *things to do* would help people to choose their *project*. He does have various lists, but not in priority or simplified order.
It could begin with . .
[1] Organize for a slow down of the Alberta Tar Sands. Oil man and Conservative wise man Peter Lougheed suggests this is a priority. Shouldn*t the Doc run with this?
[2] … Well you get the idea. Checked Greenpeace, Sierra and others and no priority list. They should all agree on a list and then campaign on it. = TG
ET wrote to “quebecois separatiste”: I also disagree with people calling you names
I agree. Quebec has only recently seen its middle and upper levels of income earners become largely populated by native French-speakers and their corporations managed by French-speakers (most of the people that have gotten there are bilingual by necessity, though, and there’s no way avoiding that, I’m afraid).
So it seems that any malcontent who has a gripe or is impatient can cause language havoc and cry foul.
I have a great deal of respect for les Quebecois, but not for the whiners.
Click HERE You lazy tw*t
Just curious; is the missing letter an ‘a’ or an ‘i’? There IS a difference in interpretation…
‘What I would do and like to do is to follow the science wherever it leads. If that is your definition of a troll – so be it.’~ john cross
Nope. Not my definition, just words you are trying to put into my mouth. Perhaps you can explain to us why Western Greenland is seeing the most massive ice increase in 15 years. I’m sure there’s CO2 floating over that region also….
“Real change is happening. We need to let our leaders know that nothing can stop it.”
If this is true, why bother? CO2 emissions grow proportionally to the growth of GDP in developing countries, like China and India, that is, exponentially at rate 9-11% every year, and they have no other option for decades to come – except for starve their population, which comprise half of the Earth population. No amount of measures taken in developed countries can compensate for this growth. If the West needs to curb its energy consumption and switch to nuclear energy and hydrogen transport fuel, it has much more compelling reason to do it: stop paying to Arabs $100 for oil extracted at 3-4$ cost, and so fund enemy terror war against us. This has nothing to do with alleged global warming.
otter: can you post a link?
Regards,
John
John Cross: “Cosmic rays have followed up and downs but have remained essentially constant for the last 50 years.” . . . can you provide me with references for this. It makes no sense at all.
LindaL: Yes I have a link and I tried to post it twice last night but the filters put both in the moderation queue and from bitter experience I know that my posts seldom get released from the moderator queue.
However I have put a link in the URL under my name. It is not my website, but hopefully it will get the link through.
Regards,
John
LindaL: Unfortunately the software tends to put messaged from me that have links into the moderation queue and they seldom get released. There are three there right now with different attempts to put a link in. The best I can do is to say that it is in the following if you can figure it out (add the http:// at the start and remove the spaces)
http://www.realclimate.org/ images/ TheChillingStars.jpg
I look forward to your comments after you have reviewed it.
Regards,
John
AH, I see that one of my posts was released from purgatory. The link is there.
John
John — please check your link — I get “Not Found”. I must say, though, that I am disappointed that this link is to realclimate — they are seriously biased. Nevertheless, I will read what’s there if I can access it.