When the concept of “multiculturalism” was introduced to Canadians, most assumed it meant “more pavilions at Folkfest”;
A 16-year-old girl is in critical condition after being choked by a man believed to be her father, apparently after a dispute with her family over her refusal to wear the hijab, the Islamic headscarf worn by some Muslim women.
Peel Regional Police arrested a 57-year-old man yesterday morning after receiving a 911 call from a suburban home in Mississauga from a man saying he had killed his daughter. When police and paramedics arrived at the house they found a 16-year-old lying on the floor without any vital signs, police said.
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Friends of the teenager, a Grade 11 student at nearby Applewood Heights high school, identified her as Aqsa Parvez and said they were shocked by the attack on the outgoing, likeable girl, but said she had been threatened by her strictly religious family before.
“She got threatened by her father and her brother,” said Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, who had known Aqsa since they both started high school together. “He said that if she leaves, he would kill her.”
Ebonie Mitchell, 16, another friend of the victim, said the conflict with her father over wearing Islamic dress came to a head at the beginning of this school year. “She just wanted to dress like we do,” she said.
“Last year she wore like the Islamic stuff and everything, the hijab, and this year she’s all Western. She just wanted to look like everyone else. And I guess her dad had a problem with that.”
Aqsa Parvez has now reportedly died. A commentor at the linked site has it right. In addition to murder charges, this case demands to be prosecuted as a hate crime.
“As they feel more established and emboldened by their numbers, we’ll witness more, not less Islamic violence and intolerance.
Isn’t this swell?”
Actually from a certain point of view — Yes.
I am not completely convinced that there is no such thing as a ‘moderate’ Muslim, but I am convinced that people from certain areas of the World should be subject to very intrusive testing before they are allowed entry into Canada. There is no place here for the type of medieval attitudes that this crime exposes to the light. This is called an ‘honour killing’. Unhappily certain cultures really know next to nothing about what constitutes true ‘honour’. And the insidious relativistic values promoted and enshrined by official ‘multi-culturalism are nor helping any. All values are NOT acceptable. We cna’t do too much about the loons in Pakistan for example but we can do something to make sure they don’t come here.
Better these cretins bring their insane values out into the open where society can recoil in horror and begin to deal with them, than that they fester under the apparently tranquil surfaces of self-isolating communities.
Him wrote: However, I can’t help but think of those out there who have NO IDEA what a hijab is, what it means to Muslims and why many Muslim women CHOOSE to wear it
If it meant getting beaten or strangled to death, I would probably choose to wear one also.
Get this through your head my friend, we are not to blame. It is not our fault. If you want to feel guilty about this, go ahead. I’ll go one further. It’s all your fault and the people like you who voted in the politicians who allowed it to go as far as it has.
Any punishment this confessed murderer gets will simply make him a martyr, in his eyes and in the eyes of the “faithful”. It will also make him a victim of WHITE racist bigotry.
If he does jail time, he can use that as an opportunity to spread the word, to convert his fellow prisoners to the one and only true faith that Islam is – Ali Akhbar! His undying (as it were) faith will make him an effective evangelist – hey man, he walks the talk; he lives his faith (his daughter dies, but she was an apostate).
Is “him” suggesting that the girl’s peers are to blame for this, and not her backwards father?
RG
all this hatred..directed towards all muslims…why?
yes, there appears to be a group of fanatics that do not go by true islam (A religion that purports peace and goodwill, believe it or not), but there are a huge majority of muslims that were born and raised here, and no nothing but Canadian culture, minus a few religious functions in which we eat good food and see our extended family. that’s it..
what this father did, was wrong, abhorrent, and completely not allowed in any way shape or form in islam – so hate this man, if you will, but please, do not generalize that all muslims are like this….
That is it! No more letting ANY Muslim into this country without he or she renouncing any practice of Sharia Law for controlling females in their families. If they don’t agree to this they don’t get in. Its that simple. Where are all the hate crime charges and Human Rights complaints against these Islamic zealots? Non Muslims get rung-up for far less than the hate spewed by many Islamo-facists. What the hell is wrong with this country letting a-holes like that into this country?
Johny Jesus,
Maybe there’s a violent reaction going on in North America. However, your implied contention that Christians are the victimizers is backwards.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/11/shooter.youth/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) — Matthew Murray wrote on an Internet message board of how he hated Christians between attacks on a mission center and church on Sunday, according to Denver-area media reports.
“You Christians brought this on yourselves,” Murray wrote at 11:03 a.m. on Sunday, CNN affiliate KUSA reported on its Web site.
“I’m coming for EVERYONE soon and I WILL be armed to the @#%$ teeth and I WILL shoot to kill. …God, I can’t wait till I can kill you people. Feel no remorse, no sense of shame, I don’t care if I live or die in the shoot-out. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you … as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world,” the KUSA report quoted from the final posting.
The posting, under the user name “nghtmrchld26,” was made just a few hours after Murray killed two people at the Youth With a Mission Center in Arvada, Colorado, and a few hours before Murray killed two people at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs. He later died in a shootout with a church security guard.
You got it, RG.
A good Muslim NEVER criticizes another Muslim; they always try to blame the evil kafirs.
Well, this tragedy is outrageous. Clearly it is time for us to recognize that monotheistic religion is idiotic, and has no place in a civilized society. Obviously, recognizing “the supremacy of God” (Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, the Tooth Fairy, or whatever) frequently leads some people to actions that clearly contradict “the rule of law”, and our Charter should discontinue harbouring this contradiction.
You amaze me, zarah!
It is wonderful to see a professed Muslim criticize this confessed murderer. But, please, watch your back. You may well have exposed yourself to the likes of the confessed murderer, and the others in Islam who support his murderous behavior.
I am eagerly awaiting the CIC’s outrage at this confessed murderer and professed Muslim; they will, of course, publicly and unconditionally denounce him. NOT! If they say anything, it will be the usual tripe about Islamophobia, and racist bigotry of WHITE Canadians.
There was never an attempt to introduce “Sharia Law” in Ontario – get clue, people. There was an attempt to introduce private arbitration (of the sort that already exists, and appies to civil cases only) based on the Sharia. Participation in private arbitration in Ontario is not mandatory, and an private arbitration tribunal cannot deliver a decision that is not possible under Canadian law – and cannot get involved in criminal matters.
This would have had none, zero, zilch, none at all effect on criminal law and its enforcement – and the province cannot change criminal law in any case. Anyone who says that under that Sharia initiative honour killings would have been permitted simply does not know what they are talking about.
There was some argument whether or not this sort of private arbitration is a good idea, or whether or not private arbitration at all is a good idea – but whatever position one takes on that, it has nothing to do with criminal law. It would not have brought beheadings for adultery and whatnot to Ontario.
Had enough of Islam yet? There is lots more to come you racists…;)
Bl@ckhead
Who said the Muslim was brown skinned? No one. I don’t care if he was a European Bosnian or Arab. What he did in the name of his crap religion was totally unacceptable.
Now get your progressive sorry ass back over to rubble.
RG
I think I stated clearly who I think is to ultimately blame for this girls death.
I am just asking you, as parents, aunts, and at one time 16 year olds, to remember what it was like to be 16 and all the peer pressure that comes with it. Let’s face it–religion–all kinds–isn’t sexy. Most people would rather read porn and email it to all their friends than to email their friends an email/story,note/passage that made reference their faith.
I am just hoping this girl stood up to her father because she felt strongly her religion was too oppressive not because it was uncool or because she was teased or laughed at by her peers.
I think someone in the comments at the NP story is taking the piss.
From PeaceLove:”In America does the father not make the law for the child?
If the child disobeys the father is their no consequence?
Everyone wants to protect the culture of the white catholic, but rights of Muslims everywhere are trampled upon!
Everytime I go to the airport, everyone staring at me.”
And next,”surely you understand that this child severely disrespected Islam as surely as if someone had torn your bible from your hands.
Why do all other religions enjoy peace free from prosecution but Islam is singled out as unacceptable?
This is your law. We come to your country and obey your law. To ask us to ignore our culture while we do so is just racist.”
You can only consider this multicultural if you consider the sexist creeps of the patriarchy the deciders of a people’s culture. This is no more Araic than footbinding is Chinese, or organ relocating corsets the defining culture of the English. It’s certainly the type of problem present in the people, and how misogyny comes out varies from culture to culture, but it’s misogyny. We can have cultural differences without misogyny.
– Georgia
“I am just hoping this girl stood up to her father because she felt strongly her religion was too oppressive not because it was uncool or because she was teased or laughed at by her peers.”–Jim
What possible difference does that make ? The problem is with the father and his cultish sense of ‘right’. The motivations for the girl’s behaviour are irrelevant. I don’t care if Satan himself told her not to wear the hijab although that was probably foremost in daddy dearest’s mind at the time he was strangling his own daughter. ‘Die — you spawn of SATAN.’
There is NO place for this type of person HERE.
EVER.
And as others have said he was not an individual loon. He was a ‘collective’ loon acting according to his code of ‘honour’. It’s the code that has to be expunged from Canada. Locking up a single symptom of it does nothing at all to address the problem. Not that he should not be locked up ,just that it serves no real purpose in preventing future atrocities.
…and parents can be so backward, and I’m so glad that public school stayed as is.
Each generation should be more progressive than the last, so I cross my fingers. I went to a very mixed school, where the parents, white, black, brown, some red, can be sexist and racist. Thankfully, while their kids are affected, together they were moving pass that, boys and girls were just friends, respecting each other, and people were dating across the racial lines with no thought of race at all. Much to the displeasure of all parents, but fuck them, they’ll be dead and bury in another few decades and with them their backwardness. The future, no matter how much handwringing or MURDER they do, will be ours.
Michael – give your head a shake. Who is talking about formalizing Sharia Law? What is being referred to by me in my previous posting is that Sharia Law is being practiced in this country and the murder of that your girl stems from that practice. The father and the brother were enforcing their authority over a “female” as they have the “right” to do because females have no rights. My point and I will state it again is that Muslims wanting to enter Canada should have to formally renounce any use of Sharia Law that gives them authority over Muslim females, period.
Had enough of Islam yet? There is lots more to come you racists…;)
Posted by: BL@KBIRD at December 11, 2007 2:18 PM
Hey Blackbird, you think your threatening us “REAL CANADIANS”?
Anytime goofball.
All the name calling here has me thinking about something I find strange. With all the documented examples of Imams and leaders of Muslim society giving rants and tirades of hating and killing us infadels: Has anyone of them been charged or convicted of a hate crime? I have yet to hear of any although you would think that Richard (insult me, I can use the cash) Warman would have been all over it. Just thinking…
Unbelievable. Let this be a sobering reminder to citizens and governments of Canada. Poor Aqsa Parvez – 16 years old!! Religious freaks and moderates alike should read Sam Harris’ book: “The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason”. Religion is an insult to the human species… to its intelligence, its evolution and its spirit. Check in with reality, perhaps by saying to yourself: I bow to no god, fear no god, and serve no god. I believe in and serve my wife, kids, friends, parents, myself, etc. Islam, Christianity, etc – convincing fairy tales. For those of you who are absolutely clueless: Not unlike plants, insects, cows, we’re just living things on a planet, in a solar system, in a galaxy, in a universe, with a life expectancy, where the meaning of life is time. Time/life goes on for Mr. Parvez, but he’s just ended his time and everyone else’s time with his daughter. Sadly, Mr. Parvez probably believes in an afterlife, where he’ll see her again.
Fred…I thought Blackbird was being sarcastic,I hope I’m right.
I guess I should have stuck a sarcasm tag on my post……
Let me rephrase it…..Have you had your belly fill of Islam yet? Because if it is not neutralized it is going to destroy Canada. This is a window of opportunity to expose another of the dark sides of Islam.
While technically not a part of Islam, it is a custom that goes hand in glove with the ideology since it’s inception. This is not rare, it is frequent but as usual Islam usually get a free pass.
In muslim lands, it is not a legal thing to do, so you keep a low profile and just do it. If it becomes public you might be charged and you might go to jail …for a few months, but Islamic justice is merciful as they say and you will get out early. Often the youngest brother is chosen as executioner. Sometimes the girls uncles will rape and sodomize her before she is killed.
Give Islam an inch and it will take your head.
Sorry if I gave the impression that I backed this cult of murder and parasitism, I have no respect for Islam or it’s slaves. Feel free to call me an Islamophobic Zionist Racist Bigot.
joe reality – I disagree. This event had little to do with religion vs no religion. The outcome could have been the same in a family with CULTURAL beliefs held within the group. That grouop could be similar in size to your ‘kin group’ of “wife, kids, friends, parents”.
The point is, someone locked into a group, with a group-defined set of immutable beliefs in normative behaviour, is trapped. If they challenge those beliefs, they risk losing their entire kin-related support system.
I’m saying that our Canadian policy of multiculturalism, supported by our Charter and by the Human Rights Act and commission, has set up immigrants into Defined Groups, into Identity Groups, defined by their hereditary Origin. Ethnic origin, religious, linguistic.
Our policies have essentially pushed them into these groups, which rapidly transform from social networks into hierarchies of authoritarian power. The leaders in these groups work to maintain membership, to prevent individuals from leaving and assimilating into the Canadian mainstream.
Why?
Because we’ve set them up as financial systems. The provincial govts in particular, as well as the federal Liberals, fund these groups, based on their population-count. So, the larger the group, the more money. This money is controlled by the group leaders. It’s used to set up schooling in the Original Identity, to help new immigrants with loans and financial aid, language classes etc.
These groups isolate themselves and as I said, try to prevent assimilation. That means, as well, that they don’t support self-criticism or dissent within the membership.
This isolates newcomers, makes them fearful of the mainstream society and economy, dependent on the group leaders. Propaganda and fear is an important tactic of control of the membership. The children are caught in a dilemma; they are exposed to the mainstream at school; they are open to assimilation with the mainstream. But, their support system, ie, their families, operate within the closed group. It’s a recipe for disaster.
We must stop this practice of multiculturalism, which has forced immigrants into political enclaves, led by authoritarian leaders who enforce isolation and reject assimilation.
It’s no different than a Christian dad who chokes his kid [to death] because he goes to the pool room instead of attending church on Sunday morning
Care to provide a citation, Johnny, or are you just talking out of your ass?
We will rue the day we allowed unchecked mass immigration of Muslims into our midst.The ‘salad days’ of better food and colourful dresses at folkfest have morphed into the bitter reality of child honour killing.
Thank a liberal for this matter next time they come to your door schilling for votes..
Mark my words, these types of actions had better be nipped in the bud HARD (and fast) or you will see a backlash the likes of which we have never seen in Canada in recent memory.
The thin veneer of civility to these types of Islamists is wearing extremely thin, and once riled, the Canadian populace will be a force to rekon with.
But ET, religion is a collection of “immutable beliefs in normative behaviour”. Further, the foundation of these beliefs is faith, rather than evidence. Scientific theory, culture, and law, is mutable, unlike religion, which is “divine” (immutable).
Irrespective of some people’s differing interpretations of religious texts, the underlying belief in immutable truth (rather than an openness to change via either experience, or evidence) sometimes leads to harm, I feel.
Or, more succinctly, I feel joe reality got it right.
mark peters wrote, @1:15, “Muslims have to know that, in Canada, Canadian justice supersedes Islam.”
What Canadian “justice”, I’d like to know?
Good point ET.
I’m willing to bet that, eventhough this is absolutely outrageous, we, the non-assertive people of Canada, will do nothing but talk about this, and the circumstances behind her death will fade away in a few weeks, perhaps days. Sad stuff.
mark – cultural beliefs can be as immutable as religious beliefs.
Most certainly, science and law are mutable; they’ve been specifically set up as such. But culture, with its practices that are often mythic in origin, ie, not amenable to empirical origin, can operate as immutable.
Wearing the hijab is not a religious requirement but a cultural one. Much of the dress of, for example, Hasidic Jews, is a cultural construct. In some cases, the origin of a custom is cultural and then, moves into religious dictum.
For example, the definition in both Islamic and Jewish cultures of the ‘pig’ as ‘unclean’ probably began as a medical necessity in their hot climates and transformed into an expression of religious faith.
The privileging of the male in many cultures is not a religious statement, but more probably an expression of a socioeconomic mode that was focused around the work of the men.
Religion in most cases at first affirms the pragmatics of a cultural adaptation, and then, these rules become viewed as immutable.
This also suggests that religious rules, which are, after all, created by humans, can be changed. With difficulty – but, they can be changed.
Its Muslims you dont see other communities do this look at the Hindu community in Canada do ever hear bad news like this coming from them
Joe,
It wont fade, it will be buried and not discussed. It is relevnt because of some nut, but wait, there was the father who drove his car into the kids not long ago….was that because of cross racial dating, or cross religon dating, I believe it was the latter.
Try this simple search
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22honour%2Bkilling%22&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryCA
honour+killing
WOW!
Gosh wonder why most Canadians want to cut immigration.
He shouldn’t get a hate crime the penalty for murder should be death and unless we are going to bury in pig blood for the hate crime it “SHOULD” be moot.
It’s not immigration, it’s not multiculturalism, it’s not even empty headed Canadians, it’s Islam and it’s slaves that cause the problem. It is not Christian Lebanese Indian Hindus, Thai Buddhists or Christian Arabs, it is not black, yellow, brown, or purple people. It isn’t even Muslim apostates. It is Islam and it’s slaves that are the ONLY problem.
Don’t ever forget this.
Zarah,
Thank you for posting in this lion’s den of anger and (yes, sadly) hate.
I understand where you are coming from. If you were a typical representative of Muslims in Canada, and your voice was heard as its representative, there would probably not be a problem.
I think, though, that people are judging not only based on this single situation, but based on what seems to be going on with Islam in the entire world – anger, entitlement, violence, self-segregation and isolation.
Ultimately, Muslims come to Canada. Until now they have not been a significant and contributing part of this country’s social fabric. Based on what we see and hear, sadly there seems to be no good reason to want to invite Muslims into our midst. What do Canadians get in return? Lawsuits against Macleans Magazine and CAIR-CAN accusing everyone of hate crimes. No sense of gratitude for being permitted, yes permitted, the privilege (yes, the privilege) of coming to this rich and peaceful land. We see women in Darth Vader outfits with eyes only showing, trailing behind their sullen husbands who never smile when they talk.
Why does Canada need this? Even if only 5% of muslims are religious nutbars willing to kill for Allah, 1 million Muslims means 50,000 nutbars. Even if only 1%. That 10,000 maniacs.
Yet, it only takes one nutbar with a bomb on the subway or on an airplane to do a lot of damage.
I’ll take 1 million Koreans, or Vietnamese, or Poles. Every community has its troubles, but only Muslims seem to make their troubles into the entire society’s troubles. And only Muslims seem to so obsessively separate themselves and their children from from the rest of society so as to ensure that the next generation will not be any better. Indeed, experience in Europe indicates that they are worse.
That’s why Zarah. I am sorry for you, and many decent individuals who happen to be Muslim and Canadians, caught in this mess. But not so sorry that I want to make it even worse.
I’ve just sent this to the Human Rights (sic) Commission:
“I am deeply offended by the actions of the instigators of this action: their families have been welcomed to this country and invited to share the freedoms my forebears fought for.
“Now, these people have the audacity to use their newfound privileges to attack the very foundations on which these privileges rest.
“That your commission, paid for by my tax dollars, would entertain allowing this travesty—to persecute a Canadian citizen for exercising his free speech rights—is abhorrent to me. (As are the arbitrary measures the Human Rights [sic] Commissions are allowed to employ.)
“The commission’s apparent willingness to persecute law abiding Canadian citizens, on the flimsiest, often hearsay, pretexts, is anathema to me and many others. The only good result from this—unless Mark Steyn’s rights are fully upheld (as they should be in a free and democratic country)—is that Canadians, who have been unaware of the lack of due process in the commissions’ kangaroo courts, will realize how dangerous the human rights (sic) industry is in this country.
“Punishing law abiding citizens outside due process of the law is draconian and should be outlawed in any democratic country. One can only hope that the publicity generated by the commission’s unwise agreement to hear this case will speed the end of all Human Rights (sic) Commissions, which are an insult to the integrity and freedoms of all Canadian citizens.”
The email address is info.com@chrc-ccdp.ca (Another poster provided this address on another thread. Thanks.)
I encourage as many of you as possible to write. Let’s flood this blight on our body politic with our displeasure.
Also send copies to the PM and as many MPs as you can. ‘Newspapers too. It’s about time the light shone into the dark corners of politically correct Canada, where the state can, and does, do arbitrary and dangerous things to its innocent, law abiding citizens.
‘Sounds like a gulag to me.
It’ll be interesting to see who shows up to support the father and son when they got to court. Equally interesting, who shows to condemn the pair. Wouldn’t it be comforting to see very large numbers from the Muslim community show up protesting anyone supporting the pair. One day the moderates have to stand tall against the fanatics. The next several weeks will be very interesting indeed!
The religon of peace is at it again. That should be a hanging offence for killing that girl. It’s so sad that a live has been loss to religious stupidity.
Bl@ackbird,
Too bad some did not notice
the wink and smile …;)
at the end of your comment
In my humble opinion the sarcasm tag is better
Lori, I second that emotion. When we start having mass rallies of Muslims denouncing honor killing and demanding this killer’s head on a plate, THEN I will start having some respect for the “moderate” Muslims.
Sikhs by contrast don’t tolerate this stuff in their community.
Lori:
Excellent!!
It is with hope that I have thought that it will take the generation of immigrant Muslims to start to assimilate into our culture. Then something like this happens and I fear for those that would try to change such as young Aqsa Parvez.
This coupled with the establishment of separate Muslim communities in the GTA and the potential for another one in the Calgary area, makes me think that my hope is very, very naive.
Actually, honour killings are found among Hindu, Sikh, as well as Islamic communities. It is therefore incorrect to focus on the Muslims as being The Only Problem.
It is a mindset based within a very primitive mode of social organization; namely, tribalism, where the Family and its Kin members are the basis of all social, economic and political organization. To weaken The Family in any way is an attack against the integrity of this social unit.
Tribalism, as well, has the male as the leader of this tribal group, with women as subservient.
It is, again, an error to focus this mode of organization (tribalism) only within the Muslim community.
What must be done is to demolish the infrastructure of multiculturalism in Canada, an infrastructure that isolates immigrants and prevent, indeed, rejects their assimilation. The old mode of organization, tribalism, has to be ended; the immigrant community has to be encouraged to end this organization.
What multiculturalism does, however, is to actually encourage the maintenance of tribalism in these communities. It prevents individuals from assimilating with the broader, modern population, and instead, insists on their isolation within ‘tribes’ or ‘ethnic groups’.
Simply putting one individual through our courts for murder – an act that has been done quite a few times in Canada, for ‘honour killings’ won’t stop the practice. We have to disable multiculturalism and the infrastructure that promotes it; eg, govt funding of ethnic or identity groups; the Human Rights Commission.
Wow, Lori, way to get it completely wrong.
Zarah asks readers like you not to generalize about all Muslim Canadians, and what do you reply with? More generalizations:
– **If** you were a typical representative of Muslims in Canada, and your voice was heard as its representative, there would probably not be a problem.
– We see women in Darth Vader outfits with eyes only showing, trailing behind their sullen husbands who never smile when they talk.
– only Muslims seem to make their troubles into the entire society’s troubles. And only Muslims seem to so obsessively separate themselves and their children from from the rest of society so as to ensure that the next generation will not be any better.
Do you really not see how these careless statements are exactly the sort of thing that Zarah was cautioning against? How referring to a hijab as a “Darth Vader outfit” might be offensive, particularly when you are speaking to a Muslim woman, even one who might have chosen not to wear the traditional garments? How using the phrase “only Muslims” rather than, say, “only fanatics” serves only to reveal your own biases and generalizations about Muslim Canadians?
May I suggest that instead of getting all your information about Muslim Canadians from news reports and SDA, to go out and actually get to know, at a personal level, the many “decent individuals who happen to be Muslim and Canadians.” Maybe then you’ll be a little more cautious with your choice of words.
The Phantom: When we start having mass rallies of Muslims denouncing honor killing and demanding this killer’s head on a plate, THEN I will start having some respect for the “moderate” Muslims.
This may come as a shock to you, but Muslim Canadians are not interested in gaining your respect or approval. As fellow citizens and human beings, they require only that they not be discriminated against. Rightly, they don’t owe you anything, up to and including mass rallies.
Live in hate and fear all you like. The choice, and the onus, to broaden your mind is yours alone.
Hana, their daughters also only require that their family not kill them for not obeying their idiotic ‘religion’.
ET, yes indeed, honor killings are found among Sikh and Hindu communities… in India. Where wives used to be burned on their dead husband’s funeral pyres too. Even there it is considered an aberration, not something to be emulated and certainly not something to be preached. Custom moves on.
Here in Canada, this stuff does not get tolerated at Gurdwara. People preaching such things are shunned. Go talk to some of your Sikh students, they’ll tell you. Hindus likewise. People came here to -escape- that, they don’t want to bring it with them.
…referring to a hijab as a “Darth Vader outfit” might be offensive, —Hana
Maybe… but certainly not as offensive as the hijab is to the woman forced to wear it.
Boots: wanna bet he gets a public defender (one paid for by you and me)?
Hana: you criticize Lori for using generalizations and how do you do this? By making presumptuous GENERALIZATIONS.
Do you really know that Lori does NOT know any Muslims, and only finds out about Muslims from the NEWS?
I know a number of quite wonderful Muslims, many of whom are appalled by these confessed murderers, beheaders, terrorists, and supremacists Muslim bigots. Unfortunately, they do NOT speak out publicly. Very few Muslims speak out against these monsters; they leave these monsters to set the base line of Muslim public behavior.
Some of the Muslims I know do not speak out because they know they must not be seen to criticize a Muslim. Their public behaviour is always under review by the Mosque, and many Mosques are NOT open to ANY Muslim publicly criticizing other Muslims. Some do NOT speak out because they are afraid to; they can quite easily be called “apostate”, and be murdered. For example, I know Muslim women who think and say that they will be killed by someone from their Mosque if they ever leave Islam. The old kill the “apostate” approach. The moral is DO NOT go against ANYTHING the Mosque decrees.
Hana, of course Muslims do not want respect and approval from non-Muslims. This ugly supremacism is a basic aspect of fundamental Islam. Kafir are not worth considering are they, Hana. A Muslim would certainly not want the respect and approval of a lowly kafir, would they Hana? Of, course, NOT. Islam and Muslims are SUPREME.