Y2Kyoto: Not Dead Enough

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Greenpeace is displeased;

Average annual deaths from weather-related events in the period 1990-2006 – considered by scientists to be when global warming has been most intense – were down by 87% on the 1900-89 average. The mortality rate from catastrophes, measured in deaths per million people, dropped by 93%.
The report by the Civil Society Coalition on Climate Change, a grouping of 41 mainly free-market bodies, comes on the eve of an international meeting on climate change in Bali.
Indur Goklany, a US-based expert on weather-related catastrophes, charted global deaths through the 20th century from “extreme” weather events.
Compared with the peak rate of deaths from weather-related events in the 1920s of nearly 500,000 a year, the death toll during the period 2000-06 averaged 19,900. “The United Nations has got the issues and their relative importance backward,” Goklany said.
The number of deaths had fallen sharply because of better warning systems, improved flood defences and other measures.

Based on the -29C windchill here tonight, I’d include central heating among them.

90 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: Not Dead Enough”

  1. Here’s a pointed question for you: Is the AGW effort the left-lib’s answer to the War on Drugs? There seems to be a few commonalities between them:
    – all-but unquestionable “goals” (largely morals-based);
    – a kill-the-ball enthusiasm;
    – the underlying case becoming marooned from the relevant facts.
    [Side reference: “How America Lost (or “Didn’t Win”) the War on Drugs.” My own reaction, after reading through it was: “They wanted a war, and now they’ve got one.” No mention of how Chavez fits into the picture, although FARC is mentioned several times.]

  2. Looks like Greenpeace will now start Greenwar. 🙂
    I always thought my grandfather had more to fear from the weather than being outnumbered 6 to 1 by the Russians.
    The Battle of Masurian Lakes on Feb 7, 1915 took place in white out conditions at -40 C. Half the casualties were frostbite.
    (AGF) Anthropogenic Global Freezing looks like a better probability, we just had a dump of 25cm snow in Lotusland.
    Cheers

  3. Kate, you know that you’re suppose to use a mask when you paint, right? Those fumes can cause brain-damage, which might explain your crazy belief that global warming isn’t happening.
    Greenpeace isn’t happy because less people are dying. They’re unhappy because these sons of bitches are taking cash from oil companies to do whatever they can block efforts to make any changes to the way we harvest, and conserve energy.
    Incidentally, weather related disasters have quadrupled in the past 20 years:
    http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-30678420071125

  4. Interesting the fewer people are dying in weather disasters when you consider how many more people are living in dangerous areas of the world for this kind of problem.
    In addition to better warning system and rescue services, could the weather be less brutal now that the planet’s weather is changing for the better?
    Just a thought.

  5. John – do you see the Mensa logo on the left? I had 20 years of inhaling paint fumes under my synapses before I signed up to take the tests.
    Think about it. Can you imagine how smart I used to be?

  6. “Incidentally, weather related disasters have quadrupled in the past 20 years:”
    That is because they are reporting more of them via satellite observances that didn’t exist 20 years ago. Most of the big weather events happen in unpopulated areas far out at sea … so problemo for humans, however, they are being reported anyway.
    The climate (money) changers just can’t any good news lately. That old reality thing is doing it to them I guess. Plus a lot of people who disagree with the scam are paying a lot more attention and getting the facts straight.
    Withing five years this whole state of fear regarding climate change will be a laughing stock and we will all be in some other kind of fear dilemma. I’ll the Elites are in their Bilderberg planning sessions working on that as I type this.

  7. I’m all for hearing people out on this issue, but I can’t help but chuckle when climate change deniers all too often use their anecdotal observations as evidence, which leads me to believe that these are often operating as the sole basis for their beliefs, rather than scientific articles either for or against their stance. Case in point:
    “Anthropogenic Global Freezing looks like a better probability, we just had a dump of 25cm snow in Lotusland.”
    “Based on the -29C windchill here tonight, I’d include central heating among them.”
    More of these observations are anticipated in the comments to follow.
    Oh and another funny point is that when the deniers try and get scientific, they form kook groups that have ridiculous premises that try and issue claims like, not only is global warming not being caused by people, the earth hasn’t been heating up at all!!! The problem is that each and every last one of the weather stations in North America has been constructed to a highly flawed design, there’s a website where they post these pictures repeatedly. I once saw one near an air conditioner, and as everyone knows air conditioners expel more heat over time (or when you have more hot days outside), the results can’t even be trusted to show a proportionally accurate increase in temperatures. I bet all weather stations are built near air conditioners. Therefore we must not have any indicator whatsoever of these alleged temperature increases (sans consistent glacial recession, increases in ocean temperatures, northern pine beatle migration, etc.) Its all blasphemy!

  8. Climate change denier,…….just love it. Try as I might I just can’t see a downside to a little extra heat in one of the coldest countries. Bring it on…please. Unfortunately in a few years it will have proved to be bullshit and we will have to find another panic.Every generation seems to have one.

  9. John:
    Name one contributor to this site who has ever said that global warming “isn’t happening.”
    All I’ve read here is that the global hysteria over the results of computer modeling isn’t proof that humans are affecting climate or that the current minor warming trend will continue on into the distant future unless western civilization commits suicide. Who knows, maybe this year is a turning point – or then again maybe it isn’t. If it isn’t, you and the rest of the gullible masses might try muttering incantations in front of a statue of David Suzuki or getting Andy Weaver to sprinkle whiskey and holy water over his computer, while he fgures out how to make one of his programs “predict” the slight drop in the global temperature trend ever since the major El Niño event of 1998.
    In my view, climate predictions are closer to astrology than to science and the “scientists” who do the predicting are nothing more than computer gamesters and excellent programers.
    And yes, before you ask, John, I am a scientist(and also an engineer) who still believes in the traditional disciplines of observing, measuring and reaching conclusions based on hard data – not on pipedreams fed into super computers. Weaver et. al. can produce highly detailed projections until hell freezes over (or the Antarctic ice cap stops growing) but any geek will tell you that the aphorism, “Garbage in, garbage out” is as valid now as it was in 1975.

  10. They have a very hard time when a hoax is prematurely exposed, before they can take all the cookies out of the jar, before the real big thieving can get started. Yes these lefties that think others suffer from exposure to fumes thus lessening their intelligence should warn the rest of us what caused their stupidity, yes the ability to believe every climate huckster that stands freezing their ass off hollering about global warming is either a result of brainwashing or just idiocy. This is a real big earth, hear that leftards, many billions of square miles with no suvs and evil gas stations, many more billions of square miles of oceans, no suvs or gas stations, yea we really have our work cut out for us to change the temp of this 5 billion year old rock. Ever stand outside and look up at that uncontrolled burning ball 93 million miles away and think, duh, does that thing have anything to do with the temp here on earth, duh John and Alby

  11. Mensa:
    My
    Ego
    Needs
    Self
    Assurance
    I had a psych prof who spouted that during a lecture once.
    Your display and touting of a MENSA accolade, Kate, probably speaks more to your insecurity with your lack of formal education that it does to your implied exceptionalism. If you were truly intelligent, you’d show your detractors how smart you are through example rather than trying to convey it through a jpeg.
    BTW, I have a doctorate in physics and I voted conservative in the last election. Does that add to the merit of my real argument? I suppose in your world.

  12. “Every generation seems to have one.”
    I am in my 60s and I have lived through the Club of Rome’s prediction of mass starvation and energy shortages predicted by the world’s biggest brains and scheduled for the 1990s … didn’t happen I consider these shiny heads to be an arm of the Bilderbergers dedicated to destroying the middle classes and Western Society.
    http://www.clubofrome.org/
    Then I live through the big Population Bomb predicted by Paul Ehrlich the modern version of Thomas Malthus. Now the west is in a demographic shrink hole. http://www.overpopulation.com/faq/people/paul-ehrlich/
    Then I lived through the prediction of an new Ice Age coming (Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist, in International Wildlife, July 1975)
    Didn’t happen … http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aginatur/iceage.htm
    Now we have the Al Gorpone model for state of fear cum protection racket.
    Just go about your business, but be sure to let your politicians know that if they try to up your taxes to defy the Sun’s work and the natural climate that you will vote them out of office.

  13. Roger … clever that you managed to let us know how brilliant you are while trashing Kate.
    If I were a Mesa Member I would proudly display it on my blog as well. What is wrong with letting people know a bit about yourself.
    You had no problem letting us know what a rude, crude person you are.

  15. Mmmm, -29C wind chill. Downright balmy compared to Fort St. John, tonight. -36C wind chill. Obviously, SK must be suffering from the Global Warmalypse. Consider it Gaia’s revenge for skidding the NDP.

  16. ‘IF’ global warming is happening, is it long term and unusual ?? That’s debateable. Probably not.
    ‘IF’ it is, is man responsible for it ?? That’s debateable. Maybe for a small part of it.
    ‘IF’ global warming is happening and IF man can do something about it — should we ? Probably not.
    Are there benefits to GW ? Yes. Lots. Especially in Canada.
    Dump Kyoto ? Yes. A no-brainer, if I ever saw one 🙂
    Spend more time and effort and $$s on pollution controls ? Absolutely. And health and safe drinking water for the Third World ? Absolutely.

  17. “Roger … clever that you managed to let us know how brilliant you are while trashing Kate.”
    My point in issuing my credentials was to demonstrate their irrelevance to my argument. I believe that was fairly clear. I’m simply asking Kate to lead by example rather than telling us that she successfully spotted the patterns in a set of shapes.
    Why is it that on this blog, 99% of time Kate is defended by proxy.? She is a grown woman, amd I right?
    My “rudeness” was preceded by her pretentiousness; that being that she could simply espouse her MENSA membership in lieu of providing a real counter argument to the gentleman before her.
    Does this woman ever engage in any sort of significant debate? Or is everything on SDA about sassy one liners? I’ve been reading for a few days and I’m less than impressed.

  18. Exactly right, peterj and John West: AGW will vanish into the X-files of junk science and Chicken Little will disappear into his coop to catch his breath, and we will do the whole thing all over again in a few years with a new imminent catastrophe and set of celebrities. But unless we get really lucky, I doubt Catastrophe!: The Next Generation (XXXVI) will have a reigning prophet as ludicrously apropos as Al Gore. Enjoy him while you can.

  19. “Does this woman ever engage in any sort of significant debate?”
    Sure does.
    But holding a PhD does not necessarily mean one is intelligent enough to recognize it 🙂

  20. Funny.All those 15,000 businessmen,etc flying in/out of Bali will create more CO2 than Chad will for a year.I guess they REALLY are worried about the warming thing (caused by man),and are not just trying to perpetuate the scam of carbon credits! Who woulda thunk it.

  21. When reading Kate’s comments, it helps to remember that the default setting is sarcasm.

  22. roger: Does this woman ever engage in any sort of significant debate? Or is everything on SDA about sassy one liners? I’ve been reading for a few days and I’m less than impressed.
    I didn’t realise that there was a rule that blogs must follow academic debating rules.
    Why don’t you show us how it works roger? Please summarise all your points about why we should be cowering in the presence of your awesome understanding of the science of climate change!
    Please account for all the pros/cons of AGW theory not just in terms of whether or not it is happening and why, but the end results as well (i.e. is it good or bad).
    Once you’re done with then we’ll see how well you follow the rules when people shoot them down one at a time.

  23. As for the article, don’t you hate it when people won’t die on cue? Up in Thompson it was -35 on Dec 2, that’s without the wind chill. I idled my truck for a few extra minutes but it won’t help you as I’m east of y’all.

  24. I’ve been reading for a few days and I’m less than impressed.
    Oh no, the Conservative votin’ doctor of physics isn’t impressed. And we all know everything should be especially designed to impress roger.

  25. The evidence that global warming has stopped/slowed/reversed is a lot more than anecdotal. Trends in troposphere, surface and deep sea temperatures are flat or down since 2002. But the bad news for the hysteria promoters doesn’t stop there. The growth rate for CO2 has been slowing over the same period. Wait, there’s still more. Over at climateaudit.org it’s been noted that by the accumulated energy index this hurricance/cyclone season(northern hemisphere) is the lowest “energy” since 1977. And now Environment Canada tells us that pretty much all of Canada can expect the coldest winter in 15 years.
    Let’s pile some more “anecdotal” evidence on. Antarctica set a new record for sea ice area extent this year, beating the last record (2006, data by satellite since 1979). Or how about the tide gauges in the South Pacific. What have they been showing lately?
    Clearly there’s something happening out there in the climate world that is flying under the radar of public revelation. And that something is looking increasingly damaging to AGW theory.
    Regards, BRK

  27. The evidence that global warming has stopped/slowed/reversed is a lot more than anecdotal. Trends in troposphere, surface and deep sea temperatures are flat or down since 2002. But the bad news for the hysteria promoters doesn’t stop there. The growth rate for CO2 has been slowing over the same period. Wait, there’s still more. Over at climateaudit.org it’s been noted that by the accumulated energy index this hurricance/cyclone season(northern hemisphere) is the lowest “energy” since 1977. And now Environment Canada tells us that pretty much all of Canada can expect the coldest winter in 15 years.
    Let’s pile some more “anecdotal” evidence on. Antarctica set a new record for sea ice area extent this year, beating the last record (2006, data by satellite since 1979). Or how about the tide gauges in the South Pacific. What have they been showing lately?
    Clearly there’s something happening out there in the climate world that is flying under the radar of public revelation. And that something is looking increasingly damaging to AGW theory.
    Regards, BRK

  28. John – You been “KATED”! On the ten-point “KATED” scale, your “KATING” is an 8. Some days you’re the grass – some days you’re the Toro. Today, you’re the grass!

  29. Roger – “issuing my credentials was to demonstrate their irrelevance to my argument”.
    Actually, issuing your credentials tells me you are an educated person. Your “argument” indicates to me that you can’t equate education with intelligence. Just another educated pompous a$$.

  30. Roger – “issuing my credentials was to demonstrate their irrelevance to my argument”.
    Actually, issuing your credentials tells me you are an educated person. Your “argument” indicates to me that you can’t equate education with intelligence. Just another educated pompous a$$.

  33. Thank God for Big Oil. They fuel our economy and our way of life. They provide a reliable source of reasonably priced fuel year in and year out with rare disruption. Some of the best and brightest minds in our society work for Big Oil.
    The government, for its part, just mindlessly slaps on 50% in taxes — without initiative, intelligence, or risk.

  34. Redistributing wealth from the middle class to the globalist green ruling class waiting in the wings is certainly a dead issue…that was Moe Strong’s Kyoto plan and that dog won’t hunt.
    Global warming is cyclic and natural and profiteering from hysteria over natural climate cycles is a dead issue….at least with reasoning informed people any way.

  35. If you’ve only been reading the blog a few days, Roger, I invite you to meet a few of the other guests here.
    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/006355.html
    The point being – when I reply to a slam at my intelligence with a mention of my Mensa membership, I do so with the complete knowledge that there are a lot of very smart people here. I’ll cut you some slack, as you say you’re new.
    But in the future, some advice – read twice, comment once. The digital word isn’t very good at conveying tone. It takes a while to get a sense of a site’s “personality”, and you missed the cues.
    “Think about it. Can you imagine how smart I used to be?”
    That should have indicated to you that I was having some fun at my critic’s expense. Now, why don’t you lighten up? A lot of the people reading are smarter than you, too.

  36. From the article..
    “Funding for this project has come entirely from private individuals and foundations.”
    This is thrown up as condemnation! That is as telling as can be as to the motives involved. The only voice that need be listened to is one that is funded by the forceful expropriation of money, not the voluntary. The evil capitalists are trying to fund research that supports their view as a rebuttal against the totally even handed, and fair government scientists, please. It is likely much easier to get a consensus when there is no need to rise above ad-homonym. There is nothing in this article that purports to question the data gathering, the assumptions, the conclusions, it is enough to say that the money that was used to pay the scientists was given voluntarily.
    Sorry this is long, but the assumption in this attack is also very telling. It implies that a scientist is simply a speechwriter for the interests of the funding. Of course the reason that they are paid to research is to investigate a field of inquiry of interest to the group providing funds, but I know many scientist and all are extremely scrupulous. I can only assume that the suggestion otherwise is projection.

  38. “…the assumption in this attack is also very telling. It implies that a scientist is simply a speechwriter for the interests of the funding.”
    Very good, Jeff! Just add the psychological defense method of projection, and you’ve got it.

  40. Hey John, did you know just last week Kate enlightened many of us with just one short memo to a new reader (poster) about the term ‘Rent-seeking’.
    Geez even the leftist MSMjournalists don’t write about that.
    One doesn’t have to be a university prof (or grad) for that matter, to understand the connection between Kyoto Protocol as rent-seeking as a prime example.
    Even a tenth grade dropout can figure that one out.
    So please hang around and perhaps you will surprise yourself of what you might learn here and understand that even profs and U. grads can learn at this site.

  42. @ JEff Patterson, who said,
    From the article..
    “Funding for this project has come entirely from private individuals and foundations.”
    This is thrown up as condemnation!
    Jeff, if you read carefully, it appears that this was not Greenpeace making an accusation, but, rather, the IPN defending itself.
    “The International Policy Network is known for being in the pay of the world’s biggest oil company,” a [Greenpeace] spokesman said.
    The [IPN] network said: “Funding for this project has come entirely from private individuals and foundations.”
    I thought the same as you until I re-read it carefully.

  43. Hey global warming cultists:
    Why is Mars warming up???
    Please answer shortly and with some semblance of class.

  44. Richard, right you are… hmm, that kind of takes a bite out of my argument doesn’t it? I would submit that the reason that I read it in the way I did is that is a prevailing tactic in use by those who would like to expropriate control over our consumption of energy. I do, however, agree completely that I misread that.
    Daniel, I think I did add projection! Check the ending bit.

  45. The article should have been titled: Not dying fast enough for superhuman, inventor of the internet and deity du jour, Al Gore !

  46. John and Steve, yes the climate may be in a periodic shift, it appears to do that at intervals otherwise John Steinbeck’s “The Grapes of Wrath” would never have been written about the Dust Bowl decade back in the 30’s.
    We haven’t got reliable weather records or computer models to give us any scientific facts to indite mankind versus the sun at this point.
    It isn’t that being good caretakers to the Earth isn’t important, that not wasting isn’t a good thing, that figuring out how to get off of the Arab and all other thug’s oil grid isn’t a smart move, it’s the ridiculous anti-science, transfer of wealth schemes and anti-human hysteria of the Global Warming minions that needs to be countered.
    That’s the whole point.

  48. So wheres all those hurricanes we were suppost to have been having becuase of this global warming poppycock last year we were suppost to have been having hurricanes last year ones that would have made katrina look like a summer breeze and then this year we were suppost to have been haiving more hurricanes as well and nothing. THIS PROVES THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A LIE AND A HOAX

  49. Hey, don’t forget they recently took close-up photos of Titan and Hey! that moon is warming up, too!
    Damn! We sure know how to spread it around, eh, john cross?

  50. Posted by: Kate at December 3, 2007 12:56 AM
    “Think about it. Can you imagine how smart I used to be?”
    Kate, you have been on the net long enough to know some postings just require a *CAUTION: coffee/cola-nose-screen-keyboard* warning.
    ————-
    Posted by: roger at December 3, 2007 1:42 AM
    “BTW, I have a doctorate in physics…”
    Roger, I can’t begin to relate to you how many times Dr.’s of Physics (albeit geo types, as in consulting geophysicists) have had their VERY expensive predictions proven wrong by a simple drill hole. Seems that time-in-school couldn’t trump old Mother Earth.
    But please proceed; don’t let the facts of the real world get in your way. The real nuggets are in the comments sections of Kate’s posts. Kate plants the seed, and then stands back and watches it grow. There are a number of regular posters of comments here that have less formal education than others, yet they have insights that are extremely lucid and clearly delineated. I have learned a lot from them. They are a pleasure to read. I, personally, could care less what their credentials might be, and I have never seen any of them feel the need to preface any of their comments with a *status*.
    On the other hand, it probably takes more than a few days of reading to realize that fact. The sarc/on- sarc/off button isn’t used much, because most just understand.

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