He’s the Garth that keeps on giving;
My seatmate, feisty Robert Thibault from Yarmouth, stopped drawing me a diagram of how the Mulroney-Schreiber affair massively implicates the Harper government, long enough in QP to level a blast at Nicholson. Fed with some notes on extradition which Michael Ignatieff threw across my desk at him, Robert demanded to know if the minister would exercise his power and keep Schreiber in Canada long enough to testify, first before Parliament, then before an inquiry.He delivered the question like a rolling volley of thunderous cannon fodder*. Around him MPs jumped to their feet, applauding. “Thi-bault, Thi-bault,” they chanted.
That’s when, rising, obviously draining of passion, Rob said he would not and could not. He slumped down.
Minutes later Paul Szabo stood up behind me, the chairman of the House of Commons ethics committee. He read a brief motion the committee had passed asking the Speaker to issue a rare warrant to command Schreiber to appear.
And now, for the rest of the story…
Thibault is on the House of Commons ethics committee.
From the comments – “The mere fact that Schreiber sent Harper a letter has the news people going wild… But Thibault has 2 meetings with the guy, and one has to read it on a Blog.”. Indeed.
Update: This information turns up buried at the bottom of a Bruce Cheadle report on Nov.14th. Now that the dog and pony show has been shown up for fools by Schreiber’s refusal to testify, perhaps they can make some use of the time left open to put Thibault in the chair.
Update 2: A reader writes “I believe that Garth changed the comments he made re Thibault on his blog. I read it in the beginning, and then I went back several hours later and the reference was changed to what you have reported. So I went into the comments because many times people quote him, and thankfully I found where someone quoted what was originally said by Garth.”
The passage that appears to have existed and then pulled ;
I am with Robert Thibault in caucus right now. Thibault says: “There were two people who knew about the cash – KHS and BM. I had the opportunity to talk to KS and then disclose what I found out during QP – that the first hundred thousand was paid to BM while he was still an MP. Harper met with BM numerous times, and has never disclosed anything – only when he was shamed by the KS affidavit did
he temporarily close off relations with his former close advisor.” – Garth
The mere fact that Schreiber sent Harper a letter has the news people going wild…
But Thibault has 2 meetings with the guy, and one has to read it on a Blog.
Probably a more pertinent question for the Garthicle would be what he knew about KH Schreiber when he was the chairman of the consumer and corporate affairs committee in Mulroney’s caucus?
For an ex-Muldoom insider to point fingers at Harper and fraudulently take a moral exemption on this issue is really about all the toxic hypocrisy I can stand from this degenerate parasite.
Exactly. Why was Thibault meeting with Schreiber? Who authorized it?
After all, Schreiber says he sent Harper and Layton this appeal last March. He received no reply from either office. The Liberals and news media ignores that the NDP didn’t reply.
Equally, they ignore that no political party can interfere with the judicial branch of government. And, the legislature, ie, the govt, can’t interfere with the judiciary. That’s done in dictatorships, in totalitarian rule. Not in a democracy that operates according to the rule of law. Not the whim of politics.
Of course Schreiber must have sent his packet of mail to the Liberal party at the same time. They deny it. BUT, they do admit that they received his later (July) package, and state that they refused to touch it and sent it immediately to the RCMP.
If they decided on a ‘hands-off’ approach, then, why was Thibault meeting with Schreiber in the jail? That’s not hands-off; that’s personal involvement.
Why was the Liberal party meeting privately with Schreiber? What was the deal that was made?
Was it that the Liberals would do everything to keep Schreiber out of Germany, in return for his changing his previous testimony, smearing Mulroney with the Two Days Before irrelevancy, and somehow, linking that to Harper? Was that the deal that Thibault made with Schreiber?
Why has our biased national MSM ignored these two meetings of the Liberal party with Schreiber?
There are times I fail to understand government’s rationale when dealing with the opposition. All opposition parties are united in demanding KarlHeinz stay in Canada so Harper should simply say, “fine, we will make it happen”. End of story and end of media feeding frenzy. I am so tired of watching that bulbous nosed, alcoholic Jim Travers of the red star diagnosing and speculating on government motives. Let the BS continue and Canadian sheeple will begin to believe that somehow Harper is involved in a coverup. Nip this thing in the bud, Steven.
just a thought here, but when KHS sent the letters to the respective parties in order to ensure that they were rec’d i would think that he would have sent them Registered.
Therefore would there not be a record of when these were mailed & to who?
Apparently, someone doesn’t know the meaning of the phrase “cannon fodder”.
robert fife said today if harper saids he didn’t get a letter I beleive him so at least one media person is on harpers side.
The question is who’s the puppet and who’s the puppeteer?
“He delivered the question like a rolling volley of thunderous cannon fodder”
Probably little bits of liberal assholes mixed with bits & pieces of big mouths
OMG – I hadn’t noticed that. Thanks Fred. Garth is indeed a “gift”…
Hustler magazine used to run a feature entitled **shole of the Month. I think Garth Turner is a worthy candidate for the Canadian print edition.
This nutter has been humping the media’s leg for far too long and gets far too much exposure.
He’s but a hairier version of Kinsella. I thought public masturbation was illegal. Just look at both of thier blogs to witness such gross acts of desparation.
Opening stmt from KS, the poor man was removed wearing jump suit. All he is talking about it what steps he has taken to avoid deportation.
Szabo made his first booboo. He called on KS to make a stmt, then had to stop and have him sworn in. Welcome to the circus.
Those meeting with KS and Thiebault were mentioned but not taken up by the media. Check that guys bank accounts, or his families, what deal did the liberals make.
Media from Germany is covering this meeting, wonder how the world will play this out.
KS seems determined to confuse us with dates, times etc of communications re his latest attempts to stay in Canada.
His handcuffs have been removed.
He is talking about sec 62 of the extradition act. In the HofC liberals and NDP kept referring to sec. 42. of said act.
Gee he mentioned Conrad Black and also some family emergency in NB, must have to do with Greenspan not being there.
Breaking news: KS refuses to testify.
I read Turners post and found it very ironic.
He is accusing Harper of being privy to Mulroney’s dealings with Schreiber because he used Mulroney as a consultant following the 06 election.
This from wikipedia
Turner was elected as the Progressive Conservative (PC) MP for Halton—Peel in the 1988 election.
A Red Tory, he became chairman of the consumer and corporate affairs committee.
This from PARLINFO
GARTH TURNER,Caucus
Party Term (yyyy.mm.dd)
Progressive Conservative Party 1988.12.12 – 1993.09.08
Parliamentary Functions
Minister
Portfolio Term (yyyy.mm.dd)
Minister of National Revenue 1993.06.25 – 1993.11.03
So it seems that the Honorable Garth Turner was more intertwined with Mulroney then Harper ever was.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Garth.
prospector – how can Harper ‘nip this thing in the bud’? The MSM-Liberals aren’t interested in the truth; they have a specific agenda of smearing Harper.
1) Harper can say, truthfully, that he didn’t receive Schreiber’s letter. His office can write to the press that it was received by them but not sent on to Harper because it was a judiciary matter.
The Liberal-MSM ignore this. They claim that instead, it’s a ‘cover-up’; that Harper is ‘protecting Mulroney’.
Note also that Harper had nothing to do with Schreiber-Mulroney; these events took place over 15 years ago. The Liberals-MSM ignore this.
The Liberals-MSM theme is that Mulroney is guilty (violation of Charter rights requiring proof) and that anyone who ever talked to him, dined with him, is Guilty By Association. So, the Liberals-MSM accuse Harper of Guilt because the Mulroney’s had dinner with Harper.
2) Thibault visits Schreiber twice in his jail. Why? Was it because the Liberals received his letter and decided to take action on their own? A political party interfering with the judiciary? The Liberal MSM ignores these visits.
3)Schreiber has changed his sworn testimony. Previously, this PRIVATE business deal was made after Mulroney’s tenure as PM. Now, suddenly, it was made two days before! The Liberals-MSM don’t question how, why, ..the reasons for this sudden change of date.
4)The Liberals want an inquiry; Harper agrees to an inquiry, but, to keep ‘hands off’, he appoints Johnston to define the terms. The Liberals-MSM scream that Johnston has, at some time in the past, talked with Conservatives. Remember, the Canadian political membership is extemely small; everyone knows everyone.
5) Schreiber has interacted not only with Mulroney but with people in the Liberal Party: Marc Lalonde. He has donated MORE to the Liberal Party than to Mulroney’s Progressive Conservatives. The Liberals-MSM ignore this.
How does Harper stop an agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with Schreiber and Mulroney and everything to do with smearing Harper? The Liberals-MSM aren’t interested in the truth, aren’t interested in Schreiber or Mulroney. Remember, the majority of the Canadian MSM are Liberals – Travers, Duffy, Newman, Taber, Galloway, Toronto Star, CBC, CTV…on and on.
Yes, it is galling to see G&M, Torstar and others ignore obvious issues, such s judicial inteference, Thibault’s complicity, and KHS’ zero credibility. What other conclusion, other than they are partisans attempting to smear Tories, can be made?
Then again, we shouldn’t be surprised. Remember, this same cabal let Ujjal Dosanj off the hook when he got caught red-handed illegally offering a benefit; instead they shot the messenger with a trumped up “cut and paste” allegation which, when totally disproven, as not reported.
Same thing here – when the inevitable happens, when KHS is shown to be the con man he really is, who chanes sworn testimony like others change their underwear, that the Lib MSM cabal will let the matter fade away, without retraction or apology. Nothing new here.
They forget one thing, only the most partisan (IOW who don’t vote Tory period) will see any link with Harper and present Tory government. No votes lost or gained by anyone on this. When election starts, then count on Tories big-time smearing Liberals, especially Thibault.
That’s what galls Grits most, Tories can play hardball just as good as them.
ET, I’m on your side. I agree with everything you say. I’m a Harper man and have voted conservative or reform since the days of Dief the chief. My point is I don’t want Harper to get further entangled in this manufactured BS.
Read my piece again. What is said is that Harper should simply state that he will ensure that Schreiber remains in Canada until the inquiry concludes. That takes the ammunition away from the opposition blowhards and MSM whores.
I’d send this guy packing so fast to the only country that really wants him. Not going to talk, then it’s time for bye-byes.
Incredulous.
They have no proof that Harper received this mystery letter. And the NDP was sent the letter at the same time.
Yet, there is admitted proof that the Liberals knew all about these alleged dealings because one of them was colluding with Schreiber in jail.
How did they know? Did they receive and read Schreiber’s letter? Even worse, did they instigate the whole nefarious affair?
As WL notes – Garth, one of the Liberal attack dogs, was in Mulroney’s caucus in a key position to know about this at the time of the alleged crime.
How is it that he’s on the attack, rather than being implicated? At the very least, he should have no credibility on the issue.
Acting on this information, the media is working overtime to villify Harper, who, as they very well know, was a Reform Party member during the 90’s and a mortal enemy of Mulroney’s red PC’s.
It’s a railroad job and the make believe train ought to run right off the make believe tracks. And when it does I sincerely hope it crushes whatever life is left in the Liberal party and destroys the lives and careers of certain members of the MSM.
Footing the costs of yet another Liberal boondoggle, the taxpayers will deserve at least that.
Now, as we expected, Schreiber is refusing to testify before the Ethics Committee – ‘until his extradition is dealt with’. In other words, until the extradition order if revoked, and he gets to stay out of the German courts.
Is that Canadian justice? That someone wanted for tax evasion, fraud, etc in Germany, can get to connive, bribe, extort and blackmail Canada, into keeping him from facing these charges?
How does he achieve this? By the same criminal tactics – by conniving with the Liberals to blackmail and smear their political rival, Harper. The Liberal Party of Canada, in bed with criminals, ready and eager to blackmail, extort, connive and smear. Why? For one result. Power. They want to return to their role as The Natural Governing Party – a role which they maintained by, guess what, the same tactics. Money laundering, blackmail, criminal actions.
Does the MSM comment? Not a word. Watch how they’ll scream and rant that Schreiber MUST not be extradited. Ever. So that he can ‘testify’ against Mulroney. And Harper.
Think about the ‘testimony’. Is the act of agreeing to a business venture two days before leaving office such an enormous breach of ethics that it requires this incredible display of outrage by the Liberals? They ignore their very real breaches as noted by others above.
And is Schreiber’s ‘testimony’ believable? His previous sworn testimony was the opposite. In fact, he even wrote Mulroney letters affirming that the deal was private, was outside of the office. So, now, how is Schreiber going to slither out of his previous testimony and his written letters? Do the Liberals care about truth?
Schreiber has ONE agenda. Only one. Staying out of German courts.
The Liberals have ONE agenda. Only one. Smearing Harper.
The truth? Irrelevant to both. Is that The Canadian Way?
Does anyone think that this Liberal cooked up witch hunt will bring harm to the CPC and not tar the Liberals? Just asking.
And what’s with Thibault … how important a player is he in this?
Anyone, anyone.
Is that the Canadian Way?
Well it’s the LIberal way!
I recommend a size 14 up KHS’s ass on the way out the gate at Pearson.
Prospecter, problem is KHS isn’t satisified with testifying truthfully (yeah, right) and then off to Germany he goes. He wants a walk on this, and won’t talk until he does. Here’s the rub,if Tories free him and then, lo and behold, he has nothing to offer, the criticism will be Tories allowed criminal to walk free. Don’t you see the MSM wants to have it both ways, to smear Harper no matter what happens. Listened to CKNW just now, where Mike Smith, says, that while Harper not involved in this, Tories have lots of other problems. Such as? Kyoto? Wanna bet? Why isn’t media asking for Opposition’s Kyoto compliance plan, the one they don’t have?
Answer, MSM only wants controversy, to sell newspapers. Many of them who are Liberal sycophants only want anti-Tory controversy. Liberal thirst for power and money, now on display with Thibault’s conduct, Dion’s Kyoto inaction plan, and Harper’s obvious popularity with Canadians, have made them deer in headlights, frozen, unable to offer any governing alternative. (I know Ted, he is a big fat bully; except of course voters fully intend to keep him as their PM).
It is what it is; so what, it won’t save Dion or the Grits from certain electoral defeat, hence their present desperate attempts to smear Tories.
NB – Mr Thibault should be removed from the Commons Ethics Committee, and then subpoenaed as a witness to explain his actions in the KHS affair. Was he complicit in interfering in judicial process; indeed, did he make a deal with KHS or coach him on his actions by offering to intervene on his case. That’s what needs to be investigated; oh yeah, he was just doing “research” LMAO at this pathetic Dion Grit display.
This guy will say anything that furthers his agenda.
Perhaps the meeting with Thibault was to set up a quid pro quo; we’ll join up with the opposition to delay your extradition, and in exchange you smear the Tories with your testimony, and we’ll get our media friends to make you seem credible.
Kate, I want to scream at the TV! OMMAG I second your motion. Put this asshat on a plane and get him the “H” out of here. What a waste of taxpayers money. What an embarrassment this whole gong show has become. I think this will tarnish the witch hunters but good. Defer, Defer, Defer……..
Shreider is an illusionist. That’s what he does best. Smoke and mirrors. Thibault is one of many Liberal morons who are on the CBC’s and Radio Canada’s (AKA The Liberal Party of Canada,) list of potential puppets who make the 10:00 news every night.
If you’re an intelligent person, as are most Conservatives, you’ll just let the whole scenario unfold; it will die soon. Canadian taxpayers are bright enough to know that this is not an investigation, it’s a Liberal puppet show. Who will gain by all this? The CBC and Radio Canada who will justify their 1.2 billion$ for next year. And perhaps the odd Liberal. I still beleive we’re going to wax Dion in the next election.
If you really want to throw a wrench into the Liberal (AKA CBC) gearbox, you’ll want to boycott CBC’s sponsors. Be vocal about it, go public!! That will end the blood bath quickly!!
Lol harpers not a dumb man, i suspect hes just feeding them the rope to hang themselves.
I had to shut the t.v. off, it’s just so disgusting. Where’s the size 14 boot that someone talked about. Time to use it.
Just saw hes little speech on ctv.ca, says he cant talk till january sometime I SUGGEST THEY SEND HIM TO A SUPERMAX PRISION UNTIL THEN, IM SURE HES LIBERAL BUDDIES IN THERE WILL LOOK AFTER HIM.FKING LIAR THAT HE IS.
Look guys, I understand full well that Schreiber is a lying, conniving maggot with his own agenda and he belongs in jail. I’m not for a second advocating he be set free. My concern is with the average stunned Canadian sheeple who reads and hears this constant crap that Harper wants Schreiber deported immediately because he (Harper has something to hide). Once the sheeple come to believe this and conclude there is some sort of coverup I’m fearful Harper won’t get a majority come next election. To defuse this Harper should state we will not allow Schreiber be deported until the inquiry is finished with him and if Schreiber refuses to talk the inquiry will be over pretty damn quick.
shamrock and john g. Exactly. Investigate Thibault. What deal did he make with Schreiber?
Research? About what? Did Thibault research the FACT that Harper didn’t receive Schreiber’s letter; that his office, office, quite correctly did not forward it, because the govt cannot interfere with a judicial process. Did he ‘research’ this? Did he research that the NDP received the same letters and did nothing?
Did he interview Mulroney? Nope.
So, what deal did Schreiber and Thibault agree on? That Schreiber would change his previously sworn testimony about Mulroney, in exchange for the Liberals preventing his extradition. And, that Schreiber would go along with their plans to declare that Harper DID receive the letter and was ‘covering up’ for this newly criminalized Mulroney.
That’s the Schreiber-Thibault agenda. A Liberal scam. Absolute scum. And the Canadian MSM are involved in this degenerate act. Shame on the Liberals. Shame on the Canadian MSM.
prospect…I hear ya…but somehow the msm will spin this to the max…they are now.If they ignore Thibeault meeting with KHS, they will continue to play it the way they want.
I suggest leaving the boot on the step overnight.
-25c with the windchill ought to do the trick.
Syncro
Ethics comm. member Thibault has met privately with Schreiber?
“Feisty Robert Thibault from Yarmouth” Meets With Karlheinz Schreiber?
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Linked at National Newswatch!
So, a letter from The Bad Man is news, but two meetings with him isn’t.
Gee, does this mean the press is… biased?! [gasp!] Say it ain’t so! How can I watch the evening news with Loyd Robertson knowing Loydy is… biased?!
Guess I’ll just have to vote Conservative.
Federal press corps: we doubt your word, cling-ons.
Look, Thibault has apparently been meeting with Schreiber since last spring! AND, has been to see him twice in the Toronto detention cell these past few weeks.
It’s yet another giant Liberal scam. Their last one was Adscam, when they cheated the Canadian taxpayer out of millions, which they used to fund their election expenses in Quebec.
Now, they are using lies from a man wanted in Germany on criminal charges, to try to smear Harper by smearing Mulroney – and linking the two.
And our MSM is going along with this scam. That’s what is so shameful. That we Canadians are allowing ourselves to be fed propaganda like this. The CBC, CTV, Duffy, Newman, Toronto Star – all of their Liberal sycophant ‘pundits’ (Travers, Taber, Galloway) and Canada Press. All partaking in a shameful witch hunt based on allegations and recanted testimony.
Schreiber won’t talk at any time. Not now, not next week, not during the Inquiry. Never. Not until he has a guarantee that he won’t, ever, be extradited to Germany. That’s the deal he and the Liberal Party made together.
Many may be forgiven for missing this one very important fact;
Schreiber has been a Canadian citizen for precisely eight years and three months.
Who was the PM and which party was the governmenat the time when Schreiber gained his Canadian citizenship in the year of 1999?
Coincidence?
The question I want answered is, what would be gained by KS by supporting Brian in a leadership race, and how did he know that Brian would ever be elected PM, and what was promised him if Brian ever did win.
At least Brian will have an inside as to what he has to answer, if called.
How will the media spin his answer that yest, he has received letters from a member of Harpers govt. Would that be from the minister of justice re the extradition and extention of same.
Also missing is did Brian know that someone has asked KS for a letter to hide the money.
Gee, they had to recover furniture, sold in error, and KS gave them the money to do it.
How can his guy keep all his “facts” straight, he has 35,000 pages of files.
The issue isn’t so much whether Harper received a letter. That, in itself, is useless. It’s what he and his staff did or did not do once they received it. For what it’s worth, I’m actually onside with most people here in the thinking that the MSM is jumping all over a non-issue.
However, someone raised the point earlier that Harper’s response to the media and the opposition has only fueled their, er, fire. He’s managed this thing horribly, and surprisingly enough for the Master Strategist, continues to do so.
As for Garth…well, again, I think most people here have nailed him down pretty good. Harper issued a no-contact order between Mulroney and his MPs. You’d have thought Dion wouldn’t have had to even consider issuing a similar order between MPs and freakin’ KHS until his potential committee appearance, but there you go.
Watching Kate’s minions squirming like worms in the bright sun as the Harper/Mulroney axis is exposed for the vile puss it is, is so vastly entertaining. This is truely entertainment requiring lots beer and popcorn.
(Sophists, apologists, harpies, shrillers, please line up to the right and commerce your laughable defense of the above mentioned two douche bags.)
I posed these questions a while back . Do we have confirmed dates when Thibault first met KHS ? Do these dates co-incide with KHS’s spring mailout campaign that the Liberals claim to have not recieved ? Doesn’t the prison have a sign in log ?
P.S. what’s the prize for 7,000,000 ? Congrats Kate .
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that on her third rant, ET lost it in the froth and gave her ownself a wedgie.
Yikes!
The question is, what did Robert Thibault know, and when did he know it?
or…Mr. Schreiber, have you met in private with any current members of this committee? If so, who, and what, in full, did you discuss?
Don, your mommy is calling you.
Was Schreiber’s citizenship application expedited by the Chretien government or did it proceed through the standard process?
Now that the committee chair demands that Shreiber have his papers/documents with him, wherever he is detained, will Thiebault be making more visits?
Will Scheiber be allowed to provide access to these documents to only certain members of this ‘ethics’ committee, *ahead of further sessions* of the committee as a whole?
Strawman, Mr. Randall. Strawman.
Will the next whack job please step forward.
meanwhile the Montana murderer on deathrow, is using the courts, to sue the CDN gov’t, coz they dropped appealing his sentence.
can we send Schrieber to the US and Ronald Smith to Germany?
Update on what old Karl is saying this very moment.
http://tinyurl.com/2wor4c
Perhaps Don can tell us why Marc Lalonde and Ian Scott were on Schreiber’s payroll long before any offer was ever made to Mulroney?