Kate. You’re a social change denier.
ok4u: From the date, 2006.
doze dirty albertains , ow dare day get a head off all de udder canadiens, I ate dem for dare izzy money. I ate dem so much . \\Borat Dion
the Alberta part is no surprise, Saskatchewan will follow as soon as they open up their oilfields.
If only this information was out a couple of weeks ago…
Ok4ua is such a typical response of a socialist. I was talking with a NDP today and I was trying to explain Saskatchewan’s unfunded pension obligations and how Ontario funded their civil servant pensions. I went further and told the guy that the Ontario Teachers alone have over $70 billion in their pension fund and how the money is invested in various stocks and bonds and provides a good return on for the teachers. The NDPer responded by saying “on paper”. I asked him to clarify and he said “have you seen that money?” I laughed and said “well no” he said “then how do you know that it exsists?” What an idiot, but that is typical of the socialists response, they deny hard facts and insist on living in their world.
BTW, does anyone want to bet on whether or not the MSM picks up on these numbers?
trent: So, in other words … the union is stealing from its members? Hey, that’s a new one…
One bar has gone to the left?
I had to laugh but I*m sorry; didn*t mean to.
With such a small population and all those natural resources it would require professional National Dipstick personnel to trend leftward like that.
It will be all upwards from now on as long as major earning assets are not sold to China for quick cash.= TG
kate you had a graph that showed the drilling rigs in Alberta that STOPPED at the Sask/Alta border, you should re-post it.
So Borat Dion reappears.
trent… they are socialists. You could show them the money and they would claim it does not exist.
It’s easy to explain – dippers want everything to trend to the LEFT, including (it would seem) that chart.
see socialism works. ndp thinks all the figures should be in the negative that way we ae all equal. ha ha.
“I reject your reality and substitute my own.” – ok4u
Just think how high those numbers would be if our leadership was honest. Investigate Mulroney, Chretien and Martin. NOW.
PM Harper. Investigating Chretien and Martin is a must. Now. As a taxpayer who lived through all 3 regimes, I’m willing to bet Mulroney was a piker compared to Chretien and Martin. I would like EVERY taxpayer dollar that went to CSL enumerated. I want to know about golf courses and hotels and roads to the cottage. I, along with many, many other Canadians believe the Liberals have enriched themselves at public expense for a decade or more. Why do YOU not hear us? Investigate them NOW.
Gord, an audit of that magnitude might make the Gomery Inquiry look like a Sunday drive.
Wow! Minus 4 points of growth for Saskabush.
..but I thought government WAS an industry.
..guess it’s just not a value-added industry which adds to economic growth.
..I’m crushed…everything the dewy-eyed Dippers told me about economics and gummint was wrong…I’m crushed…crushed I tell ya. 😉
One of the things I love about SDA is the howling denials and reactionary tantrums of infantile dippers and sundry other leftard zealotry like ok4u…watching them howl in feigned sanctimonious indignation just brightens my day. 🙂
Keep sticking the fork in ’em Kate…with every deflated dipper, life gets just that much brighter. 😉
As much as I dislike the Liberals, I doubt it would be wise for the government to expend its energy investigating its predecessor unless something specific surfaces. Paul Martin’s problem as PM wasn’t corruption, so much as incompetently flailing from one top priority to the next, hurling money hither and thither as he did so. Besides, the portion of the country that still votes Liberal is already well aware of the corruption within the party. They’re okay with it. It’s unlikely further investigations will change their mind. In the meantime, it would make the current government look like they’d run out of ideas and were resorting to petty recriminations. That’s not something that would inspire people to vote for them next time around.
“Paul Martin’s problem as PM wasn’t corruption”
oh yes it was…there was the Herle scandal, the ad scam scandal the Earnscliffe no bid contracting scandal, Martin’s hand in the blood scandal…..his conflict of interest in CSL…Man this guy was waste deep in corruption…and THAT burns people like me…a dirty poli is as contemptable as a dirty cop because both betray trust and authority.
Now , I may agree with you that corruption was not important to the media in the subsiquent election but hey…the MSM are part of the corruption in public life in Canada anyway.
Looks like Manitoba’s getting pretty good government.
It was no mistake the election was called when it was. StatsCan releases these numbers slowly throughout the year. It just didn’t work out for the NDP.
They were hoping to get re-elected before these numbers hit because they already knew what they would be, despite spewing spittle to the contrary.
I bet they didn’t think they would get thrown out on the strong economy they made up.
Wow, ok4ua must have just burst into tears after its post, then run crying from the room to hug mommy. Perhaps it could join Dion’s chorus and moan “Its not fair!” Oh these bad, bad conservatives.
ok4u;
The week has been a little rough for you eh?
It’s really not as bad as it seems. Finding work in the private sector is not that daunting of a task these days and it certainly has perks that are much more difficult to find within the public sector. Such perks include; self confidence, knowing that you are now a productive member of society, an enhaced sense of selfworth etc…
The light of day is really not as bad as you might think.
We better get Wall to bring in some grief councellors for people like ok4u. The tracic consequenses of this loss will be felt by these poor souls for years to come. Oh the pain….
“Looks like Manitoba’s getting pretty good government.” (Lloyd Fister, 10:02AM)
And Janice MacKinnon was the Minister of Finance in an N.D.P. government… go figure, eh? She was simply too intelligent, however, to stick around for the extended period of socialist fun ‘n games.
Manitoba, Manitoba, hmmmm… didn’t Manitoba privatize their government-run telephone system about 11 years ago?
A wise man {Hugh Arscot} once said that the most dangerous economic condition was a high birthrate coupled with low productivity.
CUPE and other unions contiue to fight performance bonuses and wage increments based on perfomance.
If the rancher bred his cows with bulls on a senority only basis he would soon have a sorry looking herd.
The difference between a liberal and a Conservative is basically this, a Conservative looks ahead to things to be done, recognizes the past and learns from it, but doesn’t dwell on it. A Conservative can’t be bothered, for the most part, to take the time to continually dredge up the past and rehash old injustices, there’s too much to be done in the present and future.
Liberals on the other hand are still doing penance on all the past injustices in the world. From the blacks hundreds of years ago to Mulroney today. Be seen and be heard to do right, but do nothing, and do it loudly. They really are a bunch of very small-minded vindictive people with very few redeeming qualities of any importance in today’s world. That is of course unless you consider cowering, squealing, whining and whimpering valued qualities.
Conservatives are the self motivated doers in this world, liberals the artists, and art is basically just making something out of nothing for yourself, the ME people.
So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well. Your thesis holds no water.
Had a conversation with a colleague on Friday, me:
– The GST is now 5%
– Yeah, when are they going to lower PST?
– When the sheep in Ontario will stop electing the liberals!
This is the best election program CPC can ever come up with – the one that hits people on the wallet. The ever greedy Ontario sucking us dry for money is not even close to the average growth of GDP!
Those Sask Party voting, freeloading farmers, dragging us down again.
Those Sask Party voting, freeloading farmers, dragging us down again.
How can that be when, according to leftist accounting, agriculture only accounts for 6.8% of Sask’s GDP?
“The ever greedy Ontario sucking us dry for money is not even close to the average growth of GDP!”
We’re lagging behind, yet still forced to shell out the second largest amount in equalization. Nobody here is sucking any money from you, assface.
So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well. Your thesis holds no water.
Posted by: steve at November 10, 2007 12:24 PM
Without a doubt,Manitoba would be far better off if it weren’t saddled with an NDP government. Having said that, Gary Doer’s version of the NDP is alot less radical than typical NDP brands such as the Taliban Jackals nationally & Lorne-Tommy Channelers of Saskatchewan.
“So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well. Your thesis holds no water.”
Steve, what thesis are you referring to? I don’t recall any thesis attached to this thread, do you? All that is involved here is a statement of fact provided by Stats Canada, nothing more. The conclusions that people derive from this statement of fact are just their personal opinions, nothing more, and certainly not a thesis.
The fact that the Conservative governed provinces have a higher rate of GDP growth only supports the Calvert governments decision to borrow the last two budgets from the “right wing” Saskatchewan Party’s platform. You could look at this as a very positive confirmation of the Sask. NDP’s decision to abandon the radical left wing capital tax and high corporate tax policy in favor of the more productive “right wing” policies. It could even be argued that with all the tax cuts (like the PST being reduced to 5% from 7%) the NDP implemented that the Saskatchewan economy would experience the same GDP growth as the “right wing” provinces had the Calvert NDP been re-elected. 😉
In 2003, Sask GDP was 4.5%; in 2004 it was 3.5%; and in 2005 it was over 3%.
3w.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-002-XIE/2005/05/12305/12305_02.htm
3w.td.com/economics/special/sl0406_pea.pdf
In those years it was one of the top performing provinces in Canada. But not according to right wingers, who follow the maxim that a lie repeated enough times eventually becomes the truth. Goebbels would be so proud.
Iberia – You mean lies like ‘Sask Party will sell the Crowns” or “14 consecutive balanced budgets” or “Sask Party will privatize medicare” or ” Sask Party doesn’t support a seniors’ drug plan”? You’re absolutely right – repeat a lie often enough and some will begin to believe its true.
So, here you are calling Stats Can a liar. Do you believe the stats for the other provinces? They must be lies too. Or is Stats Can just lying about Saskatchewan? Must be quite a conspiracy going on here!
Even a huge percentage increase means very little in real dollar terms when you are on the bottom. A 100% increase on nothing is still a nothing return.
The reason Manitoba does better is because of previous forward thinking premiers who did things like privatize Manitoba Telephone.
Shares were sold to residents for $13.00 Now over $45. MTS pays taxes of up to $275 million a year plus dividends to shareholders and now has %20 more employees. Sasktel doesn’t pay taxes!
If Cameco and PCS had not been privatized and humming along our GDP would be miuch worse.
Talking lies what about the 16 billion dollar debt that Grant Devine was suuposed to have left, Turns out it was 3.6 billion {bad enough} but now sits at over 11 billion. What about the outright lie that all the gas tax has been spent on roads?
It would have been good to have this more widely publicised last week in Sask, prior to this week’s election.
…not that I have any real complaint regarding the outcome.
How can that be when, according to leftist accounting, agriculture only accounts for 6.8% of Sask’s GDP?
It ain’t the size of your industry, hoss, it’s the size your subsidies that are dragging us down. Besides, if ag is 6.8% of the GDP, how is it, according to apologists for conservative hypocrisy, the biggest employer in Sask?
Scott, since the rest of your figures and assertions are bogus, I’m assuming your MTS figures are as well. If PCS had not been given away, or privatized as you like to call it, PCS would still be humming along and Sask’s fiscal situation would have been, and would be today, much brighter. As it was, Chuck Childers got the gold and Sask taxpayers got the shaft. Such is the conservative way.
If Sask is in such economic decline, what is the basis of Brad Wall’s projected growth in spending? Would that not be irresponsibility of Devinesque proportions?
Stelmach will rebalanced that chart soon enough.
You’re full of shit. We’ve had the 3rd highest growth in Canada for the last year. Where do you idiots get these stats from? You make them up.
Statistics Canada:
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/071108/d071108a.htm
Kate. You’re a social change denier.
ok4u: From the date, 2006.
doze dirty albertains , ow dare day get a head off all de udder canadiens, I ate dem for dare izzy money. I ate dem so much . \\Borat Dion
the Alberta part is no surprise, Saskatchewan will follow as soon as they open up their oilfields.
If only this information was out a couple of weeks ago…
Ok4ua is such a typical response of a socialist. I was talking with a NDP today and I was trying to explain Saskatchewan’s unfunded pension obligations and how Ontario funded their civil servant pensions. I went further and told the guy that the Ontario Teachers alone have over $70 billion in their pension fund and how the money is invested in various stocks and bonds and provides a good return on for the teachers. The NDPer responded by saying “on paper”. I asked him to clarify and he said “have you seen that money?” I laughed and said “well no” he said “then how do you know that it exsists?” What an idiot, but that is typical of the socialists response, they deny hard facts and insist on living in their world.
BTW, does anyone want to bet on whether or not the MSM picks up on these numbers?
trent: So, in other words … the union is stealing from its members? Hey, that’s a new one…
One bar has gone to the left?
I had to laugh but I*m sorry; didn*t mean to.
With such a small population and all those natural resources it would require professional National Dipstick personnel to trend leftward like that.
It will be all upwards from now on as long as major earning assets are not sold to China for quick cash.= TG
kate you had a graph that showed the drilling rigs in Alberta that STOPPED at the Sask/Alta border, you should re-post it.
So Borat Dion reappears.
trent… they are socialists. You could show them the money and they would claim it does not exist.
Sock Puppet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sock_puppet
The NDP are mourning in Saskatchewan, for everyone else it is morning in Saskatchewan.
Gross Domestic Product Per Capita, By Country.
Canada; 19th
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-nominal-per-capita
It’s easy to explain – dippers want everything to trend to the LEFT, including (it would seem) that chart.
see socialism works. ndp thinks all the figures should be in the negative that way we ae all equal. ha ha.
“I reject your reality and substitute my own.” – ok4u
Just think how high those numbers would be if our leadership was honest. Investigate Mulroney, Chretien and Martin. NOW.
PM Harper. Investigating Chretien and Martin is a must. Now. As a taxpayer who lived through all 3 regimes, I’m willing to bet Mulroney was a piker compared to Chretien and Martin. I would like EVERY taxpayer dollar that went to CSL enumerated. I want to know about golf courses and hotels and roads to the cottage. I, along with many, many other Canadians believe the Liberals have enriched themselves at public expense for a decade or more. Why do YOU not hear us? Investigate them NOW.
Gord, an audit of that magnitude might make the Gomery Inquiry look like a Sunday drive.
Wow! Minus 4 points of growth for Saskabush.
..but I thought government WAS an industry.
..guess it’s just not a value-added industry which adds to economic growth.
..I’m crushed…everything the dewy-eyed Dippers told me about economics and gummint was wrong…I’m crushed…crushed I tell ya. 😉
One of the things I love about SDA is the howling denials and reactionary tantrums of infantile dippers and sundry other leftard zealotry like ok4u…watching them howl in feigned sanctimonious indignation just brightens my day. 🙂
Keep sticking the fork in ’em Kate…with every deflated dipper, life gets just that much brighter. 😉
As much as I dislike the Liberals, I doubt it would be wise for the government to expend its energy investigating its predecessor unless something specific surfaces. Paul Martin’s problem as PM wasn’t corruption, so much as incompetently flailing from one top priority to the next, hurling money hither and thither as he did so. Besides, the portion of the country that still votes Liberal is already well aware of the corruption within the party. They’re okay with it. It’s unlikely further investigations will change their mind. In the meantime, it would make the current government look like they’d run out of ideas and were resorting to petty recriminations. That’s not something that would inspire people to vote for them next time around.
“Paul Martin’s problem as PM wasn’t corruption”
oh yes it was…there was the Herle scandal, the ad scam scandal the Earnscliffe no bid contracting scandal, Martin’s hand in the blood scandal…..his conflict of interest in CSL…Man this guy was waste deep in corruption…and THAT burns people like me…a dirty poli is as contemptable as a dirty cop because both betray trust and authority.
Now , I may agree with you that corruption was not important to the media in the subsiquent election but hey…the MSM are part of the corruption in public life in Canada anyway.
Looks like Manitoba’s getting pretty good government.
It was no mistake the election was called when it was. StatsCan releases these numbers slowly throughout the year. It just didn’t work out for the NDP.
They were hoping to get re-elected before these numbers hit because they already knew what they would be, despite spewing spittle to the contrary.
I bet they didn’t think they would get thrown out on the strong economy they made up.
Wow, ok4ua must have just burst into tears after its post, then run crying from the room to hug mommy. Perhaps it could join Dion’s chorus and moan “Its not fair!” Oh these bad, bad conservatives.
ok4u;
The week has been a little rough for you eh?
It’s really not as bad as it seems. Finding work in the private sector is not that daunting of a task these days and it certainly has perks that are much more difficult to find within the public sector. Such perks include; self confidence, knowing that you are now a productive member of society, an enhaced sense of selfworth etc…
The light of day is really not as bad as you might think.
We better get Wall to bring in some grief councellors for people like ok4u. The tracic consequenses of this loss will be felt by these poor souls for years to come. Oh the pain….
“Looks like Manitoba’s getting pretty good government.” (Lloyd Fister, 10:02AM)
And Janice MacKinnon was the Minister of Finance in an N.D.P. government… go figure, eh? She was simply too intelligent, however, to stick around for the extended period of socialist fun ‘n games.
Manitoba, Manitoba, hmmmm… didn’t Manitoba privatize their government-run telephone system about 11 years ago?
A wise man {Hugh Arscot} once said that the most dangerous economic condition was a high birthrate coupled with low productivity.
CUPE and other unions contiue to fight performance bonuses and wage increments based on perfomance.
If the rancher bred his cows with bulls on a senority only basis he would soon have a sorry looking herd.
The difference between a liberal and a Conservative is basically this, a Conservative looks ahead to things to be done, recognizes the past and learns from it, but doesn’t dwell on it. A Conservative can’t be bothered, for the most part, to take the time to continually dredge up the past and rehash old injustices, there’s too much to be done in the present and future.
Liberals on the other hand are still doing penance on all the past injustices in the world. From the blacks hundreds of years ago to Mulroney today. Be seen and be heard to do right, but do nothing, and do it loudly. They really are a bunch of very small-minded vindictive people with very few redeeming qualities of any importance in today’s world. That is of course unless you consider cowering, squealing, whining and whimpering valued qualities.
Conservatives are the self motivated doers in this world, liberals the artists, and art is basically just making something out of nothing for yourself, the ME people.
correcting for currency,at the going rate when these stats were done , the winter wonderland has ontario ranking about the same as utah or about 40th in GDP/cap. most of the other provinces are closer to arkansas and mississippi, albeit with better teeth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita_(nominal)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_gross_domestic_product
So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well. Your thesis holds no water.
Had a conversation with a colleague on Friday, me:
– The GST is now 5%
– Yeah, when are they going to lower PST?
– When the sheep in Ontario will stop electing the liberals!
This is the best election program CPC can ever come up with – the one that hits people on the wallet. The ever greedy Ontario sucking us dry for money is not even close to the average growth of GDP!
Those Sask Party voting, freeloading farmers, dragging us down again.
Those Sask Party voting, freeloading farmers, dragging us down again.
How can that be when, according to leftist accounting, agriculture only accounts for 6.8% of Sask’s GDP?
“The ever greedy Ontario sucking us dry for money is not even close to the average growth of GDP!”
We’re lagging behind, yet still forced to shell out the second largest amount in equalization. Nobody here is sucking any money from you, assface.
So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well. Your thesis holds no water.
Posted by: steve at November 10, 2007 12:24 PM
Without a doubt,Manitoba would be far better off if it weren’t saddled with an NDP government. Having said that, Gary Doer’s version of the NDP is alot less radical than typical NDP brands such as the Taliban Jackals nationally & Lorne-Tommy Channelers of Saskatchewan.
“So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well. Your thesis holds no water.”
Steve, what thesis are you referring to? I don’t recall any thesis attached to this thread, do you? All that is involved here is a statement of fact provided by Stats Canada, nothing more. The conclusions that people derive from this statement of fact are just their personal opinions, nothing more, and certainly not a thesis.
The fact that the Conservative governed provinces have a higher rate of GDP growth only supports the Calvert governments decision to borrow the last two budgets from the “right wing” Saskatchewan Party’s platform. You could look at this as a very positive confirmation of the Sask. NDP’s decision to abandon the radical left wing capital tax and high corporate tax policy in favor of the more productive “right wing” policies. It could even be argued that with all the tax cuts (like the PST being reduced to 5% from 7%) the NDP implemented that the Saskatchewan economy would experience the same GDP growth as the “right wing” provinces had the Calvert NDP been re-elected. 😉
In 2003, Sask GDP was 4.5%; in 2004 it was 3.5%; and in 2005 it was over 3%.
3w.statcan.ca/english/freepub/11-002-XIE/2005/05/12305/12305_02.htm
3w.td.com/economics/special/sl0406_pea.pdf
In those years it was one of the top performing provinces in Canada. But not according to right wingers, who follow the maxim that a lie repeated enough times eventually becomes the truth. Goebbels would be so proud.
Iberia – You mean lies like ‘Sask Party will sell the Crowns” or “14 consecutive balanced budgets” or “Sask Party will privatize medicare” or ” Sask Party doesn’t support a seniors’ drug plan”? You’re absolutely right – repeat a lie often enough and some will begin to believe its true.
So, here you are calling Stats Can a liar. Do you believe the stats for the other provinces? They must be lies too. Or is Stats Can just lying about Saskatchewan? Must be quite a conspiracy going on here!
Even a huge percentage increase means very little in real dollar terms when you are on the bottom. A 100% increase on nothing is still a nothing return.
The reason Manitoba does better is because of previous forward thinking premiers who did things like privatize Manitoba Telephone.
Shares were sold to residents for $13.00 Now over $45. MTS pays taxes of up to $275 million a year plus dividends to shareholders and now has %20 more employees. Sasktel doesn’t pay taxes!
If Cameco and PCS had not been privatized and humming along our GDP would be miuch worse.
Talking lies what about the 16 billion dollar debt that Grant Devine was suuposed to have left, Turns out it was 3.6 billion {bad enough} but now sits at over 11 billion. What about the outright lie that all the gas tax has been spent on roads?
It would have been good to have this more widely publicised last week in Sask, prior to this week’s election.
…not that I have any real complaint regarding the outcome.
How can that be when, according to leftist accounting, agriculture only accounts for 6.8% of Sask’s GDP?
It ain’t the size of your industry, hoss, it’s the size your subsidies that are dragging us down. Besides, if ag is 6.8% of the GDP, how is it, according to apologists for conservative hypocrisy, the biggest employer in Sask?
Scott, since the rest of your figures and assertions are bogus, I’m assuming your MTS figures are as well. If PCS had not been given away, or privatized as you like to call it, PCS would still be humming along and Sask’s fiscal situation would have been, and would be today, much brighter. As it was, Chuck Childers got the gold and Sask taxpayers got the shaft. Such is the conservative way.
If Sask is in such economic decline, what is the basis of Brad Wall’s projected growth in spending? Would that not be irresponsibility of Devinesque proportions?