Real Gross Domestic Product – 2006
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More StatsCan data:
Annual % change in Sask GDP (1997 dollars)
– 1996: +2%
– 1997: +5.5%
– 1998: +3%
– 1999: +1%
– 2000: +3.2%
– 2001: -2% (“the first decline since 1992, as drought devastated crops”; statcan.ca/Daily/English/020422/d020422a.htm)
– 2002: -1.5% (“This second straight annual decline for Saskatchewan was due largely to drought conditions that hit the province’s agricultural sector”; statcan.ca/Daily/English/031106/d031106a.htm)
– 2003: +4.5% (statcan.ca/Daily/English/041109/d041109a.htm)
– 2004: +3.5% (statcan.ca/Daily/English/050427/d050427a.htm)
– 2005: +3.1% (statcan.ca/Daily/English/061108/d061108a.htm)
– 2006: -0.4% (“Saskatchewan was further affected by a smaller crop“)
Given that all “declining growth” years over the past decade have been attributed in large part to environmental rather than political factors, it seems like the “socialist” NDP managed the Saskatchewan economy pretty well.
But you’ll ignore or somehow spin this data, I’m sure.
I’m Dutch. I can tell you from experience that socialism, truly and utterly, sucks. Bigtime. No ‘buts.’ No ‘you fool with the stats.’ It sucks. End of story.
Manny, I guess in your view the 5 years of Bob Rae and the NDP in Ontario were really boom years.
steve asks: So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well.
Mark R replies: Without a doubt,Manitoba would be far better off if it weren’t saddled with an NDP government.
trent replies: The fact that the Conservative governed provinces have a higher rate of GDP growth only supports the Calvert governments decision to borrow the last two budgets from the “right wing” Saskatchewan Party’s platform.
steve, the answer to your question apparently is this: If the economy declines, it’s because of “socialism.” If the economy grows, it’s in spite of “socialism.”
If, in a year’s time, the growth rate is up–likely since the SK economy is on the upswing–it’ll be because of conservative policies. If it’s again down, you’ll never read about it here.
This is typical SDA fodder. Recent periods of growth, from 1993-2000 and 2003-2005, all under the NDP’s watch, are disregarded. The most recent year (a decline year) is posted in dramatic “a-ha!” fashion, accompanied only with one of Kate’s trademark clever but otherwise vacuous one-liners. Her fans use the opportunity to do what they love best — trash the NDP and everyone else they don’t like.
The 11 years of growth cited above averages a tepid 2% per year. I would not be very proud of that rather dismal record.
Woodporter: The 11 years of growth cited above averages a tepid 2% per year. I would not be very proud of that rather dismal record.
Ah, lovely. So now the rule of thumb is: If the economy declines, it’s because of “socialism.” If the economy grows, it’s in spite of “socialism.” If the economy grows, but not as fast as one would like, it’s because of “socialism.”
China played hardball with PCS last year so the mines took eight week shutdowns to prove to the Chinese that they would not lower prices. Then a mine in Russia flooded out in January and the Chinese were scrambling. All’s well that ends well. If PCS were still an NDP creation, they would have stayed open for those eight weeks, conceeded on prices and then be screaming to the Sask govt to underwrite them, woe is us. That’s your GDP move in a nutshell. Good on ya PCS.
In those years it was one of the top performing provinces in Canada.
One of the facts giving GDP growth in percentages of the total hides is…well…the total. Adding 3% to a small total, such as Sask. has, isn’t very much.
2007 Sask was only behind Alberta and BC. Where in the hell did you get your stats from? You make them up?
2007 Sask was only behind Alberta and BC. Where in the hell did you get your stats from? You make them up?
Posted by: ok4ua at November 10, 2007 3:46 PM
You come here to SDA to argue, that’s fine, I happen to enjoy your presence on this blog as do others, but please, please, do not continue to ignore hard facts when they are presented to you! There is a link provide that takes you straight to the Statistics Canada website where these stats come from, so quit asking if the numbers are made up, THEY ARE NOT!! Why don’t you just go through the data, the way Manny and A have done, and find legitimate numbers to support your views, ok?
That was released by the bankers of Canada when they gave the prov a higher rating. You make this up as you go. You don’t have to lie to make the NDP look bad. At least tell 1/2 truths.
Your Fraser Inst. Says the same. 3rd behind Alberta and BC. Have you looked around SAsk or do you even live here. You’re full of crap. You stick with your lies they will come back to haunt you. I can’t believe people listen to you guys. I have friends in buisness. They say they’ve had the best year ever. Who made up this stat. Your Tory buddies. I’ve been all over the prov that’s how I know you’re right wing BSers.
ok4ua,
I AM in business! I happen to deal with and associate with some of the largest private businesses in the province and I can asure you NONE of them like the NDP!
Are you going to use this Stat as an excuse why the Sask Party won’t be able to keep it’s promises? You little weazles are so full of yourselves you start to believe your own stories.
A used car salesman? Vacuum Cleaner Salesman? Consultant? Bser and dreamer?
The Conference board of Canada recently stated our economy in Sask is way up there in growth. No one in their right mind would believe this. Why didn’t NewsTalk CJME release all this doom and gloom? Why? because it’s a lie.
I’ll help you out ok4ua.
Actual GDP Sask 2005 – 38,598 2006 – 38,433 (in Millions)
Actual Pop Sask 2005 – 990,000 2006 – 985,400
GDP Decrease .429%
Pop Decrease .457%
So Saskatchewan, under the NDP, performed better in GDP per capita from 2005 to 2006.
You young punks are full of crap. We’ve have 14 credit rating upgrades. You don’t fool us old farts. I’m talking about 2006 to 2007. You are soooooo stupid.
I am not surprised at the figures. back in the 80s and 90s as soon as you get a university degree no one will hire you. you are “overqualified”. i wish i could have left sooner.
Sorry marshall, PCS doesn’t sell potash to China, Cantopex does. You know, Cantopex, sort of CWB for potash.
Whoops, Canpotex
Ok4u is another example of why the left’s ideology could not exist if it was actually enlightened by the science of economics or statistics. Its foundation is purely emotional and extremely fragile.
A person like Ok4u has to avert his eyes and plug his ears otherwise he is in danger of exposing his ignorance to himself.
To admit the breadth of his ignorance is too much to bear hence the ugly defensiveness and inability to use logic and reason.
With the Sask Party’s win I think a frontal lobotomy might actually help Ok4u and a few others restore at least a semblance of rational thought.
Its too bad no one in Saskatchewan has the balls and vision to privatize most of the 132 bloodsucking crown corporations and let the private sector run business to pay the taxes and create the jobs to look after the economy.
The crowns are like the sacred cows in India,business keeps tripping over them and they are a hinderance to the flow of the economy
PCS does sell potash to china directly and through Canpotex the CWB of potash
Take little men and make them think they’re big.
“our economy in Sask is way up there in growth”
“You young punks are full of crap.”
“You don’t fool us old farts.”
“You are soooooo stupid.”
Who can argue with wisdom such as this?
I have discovered why ok4ua doesn’t understand where these facts come from:
A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
Bertrand Russell
British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 – 1970)
ok4u:”You young punks are full of crap”
AAAAAhhhhhh an proto commie…one of Tommy’s legion of the undead…quick get some garlic and holey water and some silver buckshot 😀
Nawww better yet let him stroke-out when he sees anyone but a dipper run the province’s economy better
WL Mackenzie Redux:
I will share your glee in watching the socialists go apoplectic when the Sask economy does even better under the “new management”. 😉
Actually, ok4ua, during the approximately 10 years that the NDP were in power in BC, until they were defeated in 2001, they had a record of many accomplishments. Perhaps their finest was to reduce BC to a have-not province, qualifying for equalization payments for the first time in the history of the province. You really have to try hard to reduce a previously-booming economy to that state.
Of course, their record of other failures and disasters is too numerous to list here, but that one was a corker…
“So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well. Your thesis holds no water.”
The Graph is nit really all that telling of realities…ferinstance many of the perenially depressed provinces show average growth, but remember it’s expressed as a percent of growth of GDP.. 3% growth between Ont and NB fer instance..they chart the same on the graph but the reall teller is the actual GDP…Ontario has expanded a 20billion GDP by 3% while NS has expanded a 8 billion GDP by 3%..this just shows groth not potential on available resources.
Sask should have a GDP closer to Alberta’s because the resource exploitable potential is almost equal but they have a much smaller GDP even though growth % looks good most years GDP potential and utilization sucks.
I was looking at the cheap property in SW Saskatchewan, and though you could get some real bargains, the property taxes are over 3 times as high rural BC. Example $169,000 house Princeton BC taxes $621, Swift Current Sask. $169,000 house $2173.
Does Sask use all those holes in the roads to bury the extra money?
Now that Sask. has done away with their parasite gov. Sask. is now looking to be a good place to invest.
Look in the hood that’s all you can afford. You are sooo full of BS.
Leftists and global warming fanatics go together hand in hand having total faith and belief in their man is God religion, so much so that when the truth and facts are staring them in the face they say “thats is a lie because that is not what I believe, so it can not be true”
Scott, the potash sale to China last year was a Canpotex sale.
Redux, yes Sask’s GDP per capita should be as high as Alberta, but, as I said in my first post, we have too many conservative-votin’, freeloading farmers per capita dragging us down.
manny, odds are you are a civil servant or a union worker who is adept at bloodsucking like ok4u. Making farmers scape goats for a failed ideology is typical of lefty loser mentality. I have worked with a company that has hired thousands of people over the years and the best, least entitled workers have been farm boys and girls.
Most of the problem employees we had were those who had been ruined by working for government at civil servant positions and had learned there was no relationship between productivity and their compensation.
Reality says that you and Ok4u are so full of sh*t the brown line shows up on you forehead.
Manny – I’ve done a search on this thread, and I see no comment from you praising Brad Wall for withdrawing support for the suit launched by Friends of the Wheat Board.
Really, I expected better of you.
Really, Claude, you worked with a company that hired THOUSANDS and worked in a capacity in which you could make an objective determination as to the merits of many of these employees based on their previous experience? What kind of business was it? How was it that this company hired so many former civil servants that you could make this determination? Thousands you say?
Kate, I could not care less.
After nearly 40 years of hiring people we learned to avoided people like you like the plague because their work ethic was often poor relative to the farm boys and girls. This doesn’t did not mean that all former government employees were poor and all farm boys were great. The fact is the farm environment was far more likely to produce productive people than a government position because they had to work their rear end off to get ahead in a tough environment. While government tends to produce entitled unproductive and bitter bags like you.
Its pretty apparent that OK4Ua has finally lost it. I’ve been watching (reading) him for the last few weeks put forth his weak arguments but now that he knows all has been lost(for the NDP, certainly NOT the province)he has resorted to gutteral comments and name calling. When your argument fails then resort to ad hominen attacks.
I’ve often heard of this happening,but its quite an eye-opener(and amusing in this case) to actually witness it firsthand.
Go, OK4Ua, go. (and take the NDP with you).
…we have too many conservative-votin’, freeloading farmers per capita dragging us down.
I guess they think if socialists are dumb enough to give them handouts they’ll take it. They mostly think of it as a rebate on excessive taxation. Like the education tax on farmland used to educate you and your kids. It usually is equal to, or greater than, the taxes collected to operate the whole municipality.
I could not care less in that it is a matter of complete irrelevance to me. It is up to farmers to decide how to market their grain and that decision should be based on a clear, unambiguous question, and any implementation of that decision should be according to the law. I just don’t want to be forced to subsidize the enterprise.
During the recent election in Saskatchewan I was wondering why the Sask Party didn’t do more to refute the outright lies the NDP were telling. I came to realize that is is truly pointless to argue with a die-hard socialist, because no matter how much information and proof you give them to contradict their opinions, they will never listen to the truth.
The repeated attempts by Manny, ok4u and others to rationalize T.C. Douglas’ thesis is a great example of their backwards logic.
I am very grateful that the socialists are a marginalize minority in Canada.
Oh but you do subsidize the CWB. There’s that little matter of several billion the Russians didn’t pay. That came out of the federal gov’t.
“They mostly think of it as a rebate on excessive taxation. Like the education tax on farmland used to educate you and your kids. It usually is equal to, or greater than, the taxes collected to operate the whole municipality.”
But the education portion of property tax on farmland is a lot less that the excessive taxation that subsidizes that farm. Besides, Wall is going to transfer that tax burden on to income tax earners. Then what are you going to use to rationalize your place at the trough, hoss? I’m sure you’ll think of something.
By enterprise hoss, I meant the enterprise of agriculture. That enterprise should not be subsidized at all, not through coercive taxation, nor through propping up the Wheat Board.
Manny –
Dad’s got 2 1/2 sections of land that he’d love to sell if you want to kick your feet back and rake in all the “subsidies” that the farmers get.
Of course, when the “subsidies” paid to those who produce your food amounts to 2 1/2% or less, then that’s hardly “breaking the bank”, isn’t it.
Farmers don’t want subsidies, they want a decent price for their crop. Remember that the next time you are buying your cereals or pasta or beef at the grocery store.
I have to side with others on this thread as to the nature of Leftists when their arguments hold no water. Their (Leftists) number of ad hominem attacks increases as their ability to debate fact decreases – an interesting inverse relationship. It becomes even more interesting when you consider that these are supposedly the people who defend individual rights and freedoms, and are apparently loathe seeing people marginalized.
Manny:
I’m a farmer, tell me, how much an acre do I get in Subsidies? Give me an actual dollar figure. Like Andrew, there is some pretty good land for sale around here, I’m thinking you should get in on the free money. After all its so easy, sit on your a**, wait for the Subsidie to roll in. Do you even run your own business? Have employees, do you even pay taxes? Would you know how to fix a combine at midnite with a flashlite?Change oil in a tractor engine? Know how to set up lines of credit with fertilizer and other line companies, usually in the hundreds of thousands of dollars? Just curious. Give er a try, you may like it.
Mert.
More StatsCan data:
Annual % change in Sask GDP (1997 dollars)
– 1996: +2%
– 1997: +5.5%
– 1998: +3%
– 1999: +1%
– 2000: +3.2%
– 2001: -2% (“the first decline since 1992, as drought devastated crops”; statcan.ca/Daily/English/020422/d020422a.htm)
– 2002: -1.5% (“This second straight annual decline for Saskatchewan was due largely to drought conditions that hit the province’s agricultural sector”; statcan.ca/Daily/English/031106/d031106a.htm)
– 2003: +4.5% (statcan.ca/Daily/English/041109/d041109a.htm)
– 2004: +3.5% (statcan.ca/Daily/English/050427/d050427a.htm)
– 2005: +3.1% (statcan.ca/Daily/English/061108/d061108a.htm)
– 2006: -0.4% (“Saskatchewan was further affected by a smaller crop“)
Given that all “declining growth” years over the past decade have been attributed in large part to environmental rather than political factors, it seems like the “socialist” NDP managed the Saskatchewan economy pretty well.
But you’ll ignore or somehow spin this data, I’m sure.
I’m Dutch. I can tell you from experience that socialism, truly and utterly, sucks. Bigtime. No ‘buts.’ No ‘you fool with the stats.’ It sucks. End of story.
Manny, I guess in your view the 5 years of Bob Rae and the NDP in Ontario were really boom years.
steve asks: So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well.
Mark R replies: Without a doubt,Manitoba would be far better off if it weren’t saddled with an NDP government.
trent replies: The fact that the Conservative governed provinces have a higher rate of GDP growth only supports the Calvert governments decision to borrow the last two budgets from the “right wing” Saskatchewan Party’s platform.
steve, the answer to your question apparently is this: If the economy declines, it’s because of “socialism.” If the economy grows, it’s in spite of “socialism.”
If, in a year’s time, the growth rate is up–likely since the SK economy is on the upswing–it’ll be because of conservative policies. If it’s again down, you’ll never read about it here.
This is typical SDA fodder. Recent periods of growth, from 1993-2000 and 2003-2005, all under the NDP’s watch, are disregarded. The most recent year (a decline year) is posted in dramatic “a-ha!” fashion, accompanied only with one of Kate’s trademark clever but otherwise vacuous one-liners. Her fans use the opportunity to do what they love best — trash the NDP and everyone else they don’t like.
The 11 years of growth cited above averages a tepid 2% per year. I would not be very proud of that rather dismal record.
Woodporter: The 11 years of growth cited above averages a tepid 2% per year. I would not be very proud of that rather dismal record.
Ah, lovely. So now the rule of thumb is: If the economy declines, it’s because of “socialism.” If the economy grows, it’s in spite of “socialism.” If the economy grows, but not as fast as one would like, it’s because of “socialism.”
China played hardball with PCS last year so the mines took eight week shutdowns to prove to the Chinese that they would not lower prices. Then a mine in Russia flooded out in January and the Chinese were scrambling. All’s well that ends well. If PCS were still an NDP creation, they would have stayed open for those eight weeks, conceeded on prices and then be screaming to the Sask govt to underwrite them, woe is us. That’s your GDP move in a nutshell. Good on ya PCS.
In those years it was one of the top performing provinces in Canada.
One of the facts giving GDP growth in percentages of the total hides is…well…the total. Adding 3% to a small total, such as Sask. has, isn’t very much.
2007 Sask was only behind Alberta and BC. Where in the hell did you get your stats from? You make them up?
2007 Sask was only behind Alberta and BC. Where in the hell did you get your stats from? You make them up?
Posted by: ok4ua at November 10, 2007 3:46 PM
You come here to SDA to argue, that’s fine, I happen to enjoy your presence on this blog as do others, but please, please, do not continue to ignore hard facts when they are presented to you! There is a link provide that takes you straight to the Statistics Canada website where these stats come from, so quit asking if the numbers are made up, THEY ARE NOT!! Why don’t you just go through the data, the way Manny and A have done, and find legitimate numbers to support your views, ok?
That was released by the bankers of Canada when they gave the prov a higher rating. You make this up as you go. You don’t have to lie to make the NDP look bad. At least tell 1/2 truths.
Your Fraser Inst. Says the same. 3rd behind Alberta and BC. Have you looked around SAsk or do you even live here. You’re full of crap. You stick with your lies they will come back to haunt you. I can’t believe people listen to you guys. I have friends in buisness. They say they’ve had the best year ever. Who made up this stat. Your Tory buddies. I’ve been all over the prov that’s how I know you’re right wing BSers.
ok4ua,
I AM in business! I happen to deal with and associate with some of the largest private businesses in the province and I can asure you NONE of them like the NDP!
Are you going to use this Stat as an excuse why the Sask Party won’t be able to keep it’s promises? You little weazles are so full of yourselves you start to believe your own stories.
A used car salesman? Vacuum Cleaner Salesman? Consultant? Bser and dreamer?
The Conference board of Canada recently stated our economy in Sask is way up there in growth. No one in their right mind would believe this. Why didn’t NewsTalk CJME release all this doom and gloom? Why? because it’s a lie.
I’ll help you out ok4ua.
Actual GDP Sask 2005 – 38,598 2006 – 38,433 (in Millions)
Actual Pop Sask 2005 – 990,000 2006 – 985,400
GDP Decrease .429%
Pop Decrease .457%
So Saskatchewan, under the NDP, performed better in GDP per capita from 2005 to 2006.
You young punks are full of crap. We’ve have 14 credit rating upgrades. You don’t fool us old farts. I’m talking about 2006 to 2007. You are soooooo stupid.
I am not surprised at the figures. back in the 80s and 90s as soon as you get a university degree no one will hire you. you are “overqualified”. i wish i could have left sooner.
Sorry marshall, PCS doesn’t sell potash to China, Cantopex does. You know, Cantopex, sort of CWB for potash.
Whoops, Canpotex
Ok4u is another example of why the left’s ideology could not exist if it was actually enlightened by the science of economics or statistics. Its foundation is purely emotional and extremely fragile.
A person like Ok4u has to avert his eyes and plug his ears otherwise he is in danger of exposing his ignorance to himself.
To admit the breadth of his ignorance is too much to bear hence the ugly defensiveness and inability to use logic and reason.
With the Sask Party’s win I think a frontal lobotomy might actually help Ok4u and a few others restore at least a semblance of rational thought.
Its too bad no one in Saskatchewan has the balls and vision to privatize most of the 132 bloodsucking crown corporations and let the private sector run business to pay the taxes and create the jobs to look after the economy.
The crowns are like the sacred cows in India,business keeps tripping over them and they are a hinderance to the flow of the economy
PCS does sell potash to china directly and through Canpotex the CWB of potash
Take little men and make them think they’re big.
“our economy in Sask is way up there in growth”
“You young punks are full of crap.”
“You don’t fool us old farts.”
“You are soooooo stupid.”
Who can argue with wisdom such as this?
I have discovered why ok4ua doesn’t understand where these facts come from:
A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
Bertrand Russell
British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 – 1970)
ok4u:”You young punks are full of crap”
AAAAAhhhhhh an proto commie…one of Tommy’s legion of the undead…quick get some garlic and holey water and some silver buckshot 😀
Nawww better yet let him stroke-out when he sees anyone but a dipper run the province’s economy better
WL Mackenzie Redux:
I will share your glee in watching the socialists go apoplectic when the Sask economy does even better under the “new management”. 😉
Actually, ok4ua, during the approximately 10 years that the NDP were in power in BC, until they were defeated in 2001, they had a record of many accomplishments. Perhaps their finest was to reduce BC to a have-not province, qualifying for equalization payments for the first time in the history of the province. You really have to try hard to reduce a previously-booming economy to that state.
Of course, their record of other failures and disasters is too numerous to list here, but that one was a corker…
“So if it’s Sask’s “socialist” policies and the NDP that are to blame, then why does Manitoba do relatively well. Your thesis holds no water.”
The Graph is nit really all that telling of realities…ferinstance many of the perenially depressed provinces show average growth, but remember it’s expressed as a percent of growth of GDP.. 3% growth between Ont and NB fer instance..they chart the same on the graph but the reall teller is the actual GDP…Ontario has expanded a 20billion GDP by 3% while NS has expanded a 8 billion GDP by 3%..this just shows groth not potential on available resources.
Sask should have a GDP closer to Alberta’s because the resource exploitable potential is almost equal but they have a much smaller GDP even though growth % looks good most years GDP potential and utilization sucks.
I was looking at the cheap property in SW Saskatchewan, and though you could get some real bargains, the property taxes are over 3 times as high rural BC. Example $169,000 house Princeton BC taxes $621, Swift Current Sask. $169,000 house $2173.
Does Sask use all those holes in the roads to bury the extra money?
Now that Sask. has done away with their parasite gov. Sask. is now looking to be a good place to invest.
Look in the hood that’s all you can afford. You are sooo full of BS.
Leftists and global warming fanatics go together hand in hand having total faith and belief in their man is God religion, so much so that when the truth and facts are staring them in the face they say “thats is a lie because that is not what I believe, so it can not be true”
Scott, the potash sale to China last year was a Canpotex sale.
Redux, yes Sask’s GDP per capita should be as high as Alberta, but, as I said in my first post, we have too many conservative-votin’, freeloading farmers per capita dragging us down.
manny, odds are you are a civil servant or a union worker who is adept at bloodsucking like ok4u. Making farmers scape goats for a failed ideology is typical of lefty loser mentality. I have worked with a company that has hired thousands of people over the years and the best, least entitled workers have been farm boys and girls.
Most of the problem employees we had were those who had been ruined by working for government at civil servant positions and had learned there was no relationship between productivity and their compensation.
Reality says that you and Ok4u are so full of sh*t the brown line shows up on you forehead.
Manny – I’ve done a search on this thread, and I see no comment from you praising Brad Wall for withdrawing support for the suit launched by Friends of the Wheat Board.
Really, I expected better of you.
Really, Claude, you worked with a company that hired THOUSANDS and worked in a capacity in which you could make an objective determination as to the merits of many of these employees based on their previous experience? What kind of business was it? How was it that this company hired so many former civil servants that you could make this determination? Thousands you say?
Kate, I could not care less.
After nearly 40 years of hiring people we learned to avoided people like you like the plague because their work ethic was often poor relative to the farm boys and girls. This doesn’t did not mean that all former government employees were poor and all farm boys were great. The fact is the farm environment was far more likely to produce productive people than a government position because they had to work their rear end off to get ahead in a tough environment. While government tends to produce entitled unproductive and bitter bags like you.
Its pretty apparent that OK4Ua has finally lost it. I’ve been watching (reading) him for the last few weeks put forth his weak arguments but now that he knows all has been lost(for the NDP, certainly NOT the province)he has resorted to gutteral comments and name calling. When your argument fails then resort to ad hominen attacks.
I’ve often heard of this happening,but its quite an eye-opener(and amusing in this case) to actually witness it firsthand.
Go, OK4Ua, go. (and take the NDP with you).
…we have too many conservative-votin’, freeloading farmers per capita dragging us down.
I guess they think if socialists are dumb enough to give them handouts they’ll take it. They mostly think of it as a rebate on excessive taxation. Like the education tax on farmland used to educate you and your kids. It usually is equal to, or greater than, the taxes collected to operate the whole municipality.
I could not care less in that it is a matter of complete irrelevance to me. It is up to farmers to decide how to market their grain and that decision should be based on a clear, unambiguous question, and any implementation of that decision should be according to the law. I just don’t want to be forced to subsidize the enterprise.
During the recent election in Saskatchewan I was wondering why the Sask Party didn’t do more to refute the outright lies the NDP were telling. I came to realize that is is truly pointless to argue with a die-hard socialist, because no matter how much information and proof you give them to contradict their opinions, they will never listen to the truth.
The repeated attempts by Manny, ok4u and others to rationalize T.C. Douglas’ thesis is a great example of their backwards logic.
I am very grateful that the socialists are a marginalize minority in Canada.
Oh but you do subsidize the CWB. There’s that little matter of several billion the Russians didn’t pay. That came out of the federal gov’t.
“They mostly think of it as a rebate on excessive taxation. Like the education tax on farmland used to educate you and your kids. It usually is equal to, or greater than, the taxes collected to operate the whole municipality.”
But the education portion of property tax on farmland is a lot less that the excessive taxation that subsidizes that farm. Besides, Wall is going to transfer that tax burden on to income tax earners. Then what are you going to use to rationalize your place at the trough, hoss? I’m sure you’ll think of something.
By enterprise hoss, I meant the enterprise of agriculture. That enterprise should not be subsidized at all, not through coercive taxation, nor through propping up the Wheat Board.
Manny –
Dad’s got 2 1/2 sections of land that he’d love to sell if you want to kick your feet back and rake in all the “subsidies” that the farmers get.
Of course, when the “subsidies” paid to those who produce your food amounts to 2 1/2% or less, then that’s hardly “breaking the bank”, isn’t it.
Farmers don’t want subsidies, they want a decent price for their crop. Remember that the next time you are buying your cereals or pasta or beef at the grocery store.
I have to side with others on this thread as to the nature of Leftists when their arguments hold no water. Their (Leftists) number of ad hominem attacks increases as their ability to debate fact decreases – an interesting inverse relationship. It becomes even more interesting when you consider that these are supposedly the people who defend individual rights and freedoms, and are apparently loathe seeing people marginalized.
Manny:
I’m a farmer, tell me, how much an acre do I get in Subsidies? Give me an actual dollar figure. Like Andrew, there is some pretty good land for sale around here, I’m thinking you should get in on the free money. After all its so easy, sit on your a**, wait for the Subsidie to roll in. Do you even run your own business? Have employees, do you even pay taxes? Would you know how to fix a combine at midnite with a flashlite?Change oil in a tractor engine? Know how to set up lines of credit with fertilizer and other line companies, usually in the hundreds of thousands of dollars? Just curious. Give er a try, you may like it.
Mert.