42 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: The Science is settled. You’re going to Hell.”

  1. …Georgia Straight? People still read that weed rag?
    Wow, talk about retro flashback of 70’s days growing up Weedcouver.

  2. …on a side note, notice the well placed clouds looking like exhaust plumes from the jet engine. Who needs Photoshop?
    😉

  4. Meanwhile, the number of people who ignore teleconferencing or videoconferencing is staggering in my opinion. It’s unfortunate that an 8 year old can figure out how to communicate with 10 people at once for free, but business leaders haven’t the foggiest clue.

  5. The Georgia Straight’s not infrequent forays into unintentional humor were often a Sunday morning highlight when I lived in Vancouver. The obvious inanity of that line about planting trees in Maple Ridge is either a brilliant stroke of irony or an example of a headline writer’s idiocy worthy of the CBC. You always get your money’s worth with The Straight. I may have to subscribe.

  6. Well Saskboy, your insight into the business world is truly awesome.
    So, have you worked for the NDP your whole life, or did you go the non-profit route? Perhaps a university?
    Here’s a hint as to what I’m getting at: you have zero idea what you are talking about.

  7. Interesting theological debate at the Georgia Straight.
    Flying is a sin!!
    Well God help the ‘Flying Nun’ then!
    Do you get carbon credits for using a hang glider instead?
    Or perhaps you get ‘celestial credits’ when the airliner sends your hang glider into a tailspin due to ‘jetwash’ as those big jets engines thunder by?
    Repent ye pilots spewing carbon into the atmosphere! Airline hostesses don sack cloth and ashes for the season of Kyoto Karbon Kredits has arrived!
    Oh the shame, the vanity. NOT.
    Is everyone enjoying Aug-tober?
    Cheers from Hans Island.
    Army Group ‘True North’

  8. Interesting theological debate at the Georgia Straight.
    Flying is a sin!!
    Well God help the ‘Flying Nun’ then!
    Do you get carbon credits for using a hang glider instead?
    Or perhaps you get ‘celestial credits’ when the airliner sends your hang glider into a tailspin due to ‘jetwash’ as those big jets engines thunder by?
    Repent ye pilots spewing carbon into the atmosphere! Airline hostesses don sack cloth and ashes for the season of Kyoto Karbon Kredits has arrived!
    Oh the shame, the vanity. NOT.
    Is everyone enjoying Aug-tober?
    Cheers from Hans Island.
    Army Group ‘True North’

  9. Sin?
    I don’t think it is at all appropriate for atheist Kyoto freaks to appropriate the language of morality. By using words like “sin” they give the false impression that they believe in right, wrong, and the afterlife.

  10. “but business leaders haven’t the foggiest clue”
    Thanks for that insight, saskboy, when i want advice on corporate strategy, you’d be the saskboy I would ask.

  11. I’m flying to St John’s this afternoon for a few days R & R. Flying there will not be my only sin. I think I’ll rent a Hummer and drive it around MUN for awhile, maybe the sociology department, and see if I can incite a granola cruncher into an act he’ll regret.

  12. Great comment by Andrew.
    I’m not at all surprised by the terminology used in the mag. As with most causes championed by the Left, it was only a matter of time before environmentalism and the Global Warming Gospel of Kyoto were couched in moral terms.
    Calling air travel a ‘sin’, however, smacks of hypocrisy, for whom are the first to decry Judeo-Christian declarations of sin and an immutable objective standard of right and wrong? Why the Left, of course! The Left may moralize freely, it seems. Not so the religious among us.

  13. I am just a simple, knuckledragging redneck, so I hope some you leftard morons can help me out. It would appear that it is ok for dr fruit fly, the goracle and various other leftoid spokespeople to consume massive amounts of energy in their quest to enlighten the unwashed masses. Yet, if I use more than one sheet of toilet paper, sheryl the crow is not going to sing for me. These jerk-offs can fly all over the world, but I am destroying the planet when I mow my lawn with my craftsman 6.5 hp? Should we all not be held to the same standard? Do as I say, and not as I do is a totally retarded principle to live by. Why the double standard moonbats?

  14. Sin?
    Fear not my wayward sinners!
    Pope Al the Goracle will be there to sell you indulgencies and make all of your Kyoto-sins dissapear!
    For the low, low price of only…

  15. hmmmm all the money I save by using CF light bulbs can be used to fly to a vacation somewhere.
    The virtue cancels the sin.
    Beauty.

  16. The problem is not with air travel per se; it’s flying economy. Al Gore has a clause in his contract that ensures he only flies unrestricted first-class.
    If you can’t afford first-class, you shouldn’t be flying.

  17. “but business leaders haven’t the foggiest clue”
    Sure they do. Teleconferencing doesn’t come with a couple rounds of golf, room service, or a fully stocked mini-bar.

  18. *
    To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee, “That’s not a sin… this is a sin…”
    That special time of year
    “Yessiree… time to bring back that diesel suckin’, carbon spewing
    dozer of death…     to finish razing my own little stump-strewn
    rural route to nowhere.”
    *

  20. sean – that’s both ignorant and insulting. People in business don’t, as you state, fly to other cities for ‘golf, room-service or a mini-bar’.
    Sheesh. Do you seriously think that they spend 13 hours on a plane – just to get that trivia?
    Conference calls can’t replace first-hand meetings with the hands-on shared perusal of documents, the all-day meetings that last for several days, the input of additional data and members. A conference call is a completely different tactic – useful in its role – but it’s a different tactic for business information development – than the actual meetings.
    Please don’t trivialize meetings and don’t insult people who must travel for long exhausting hours, away from their home and families – to attend them.

  21. Based on the gear, slat and flap configeration and pitch attitude I would place this aircraft within 1500 ft. above ground and within 3 miles of the landing runway. Most pilots turn on the landing lights after recieving landing clearance. The cumulus clouds in the background show some vertical development suggesting a midmorning height of between 2500 ft. and 5000 ft. above ground based upon the temperature – dewpoint spread. I don’t think the Straight is being straight with us. To much demon weed.

  22. This makes me want to book a Virgin Atlantic Upper Class ticket to Sydney, Australia just on principle.

  23. Thanks ET. Only those who don’t travel for business (I do, a lot), think it’s fun filled days of wining, dining, and golf courses. It’s really, really not.
    JCL

  24. Skynorth knows of which he/she is talking about. But would that be SN681#, I wonder? (If it is, they know of which I’m talking about. If it’s not, I just confused everyone.)

  25. Saskboy and assorted fellow travelers (bwaha!) what makes you think business men do all the flying? Most air miles are racked up by Joe and Jane Sixpack and the little Sixpacks on vacation to visit Grandma.
    Do some research for ONCE in your lives, can’t you?

  26. That means AL GORE contributes a lot to global warming by flying all over the world and also by keeping his big fat pie-hole flapping

  27. Speaking of Sheryl Idiot, I mean the crow, my brother and I did some rough calculations(he is a former EGS tech in the military, who provided remote power for clinics in Somalia). One night of her concert tour would use enough energy to power a remote clinic in Somalia for over a year. Yet, these same f@#$ing moonbats are lobbying to prevent the sub-saharan region from building their own power generating capacity. Damn, I am getting to hate these idiots more and more every day.

  28. “Then there’s the whole issue of permanence. Something will eventually take out the trees that are planted. “The pine beetle is just one example,” Lingl says. “As climate change continues, we can expect a whole range of problems: forest fires, insect outbreaks.”
    It’s a wonder these moronic GW luddite nihilists haven’t done a Jonestown mass suicide yet. Offset the plane emissions by mass tree plantings and, damn, the beetles warmed into hyper-breeding mode will gnaw the trees into stumps. Then, comes the forest fires. Why go on living? Then, again, why would anyone plant trees susceptible to the pine beetles that are sure to come?
    The article is the type of simplistic, circular, devoid of hard science, apocalyptic swill that drives this crowd into more shillness and stupid actions.

  30. “Teleconferencing doesn’t come with a couple rounds of golf, room service, or a fully stocked mini-bar.”
    😀
    I bet you watch the “Mad Men” series and believe it’s real, don’t you?
    Hooowee I got a house plant that’s less naive then you. 😀 😀

  31. Trust me, I’ve been in airplanes every week all summer, if there was human way to avoid it, I would.
    The point is not even just meetings, it’s access to secure/badly connected systems, personal interactions that avoid conflicts and misunderstanding, quick questions with rapid turn around.

  32. On 911 when all planes were grounded in the continental US a study was undertaken to see the results of this sudden reduction of contrails. Does anyone recall the results of this experiment? Low clouds warm the air while high clouds cool the air. Don’t forget that the major greenhouse gas is H2O not Co2.

  33. –
    How about the apparent sin of simply being a human being on planet earth?
    I remember the first Star Trek movie where ‘Vijer’ referred to the humans on board the Enterprise as ‘carbon units’.
    We are Carbon based life we live in a nebula of carbon and water.
    My carbon footprint is size 10. Nike tennis shoe.
    I am nauseated by the onslaught of the Kyoto priests and their alter boys and girls telling us how ‘sinful’ we are for living our lives in a way they find objectionable.
    Let me quote the late great Jimi Hendrix
    “I live my life they way I want to”
    Want to get even with these guilt and tax mongers? Take Jimi’s advise, live well and live the way you want to.
    Besides … aren’t we all sinners anyway?

  34. “Besides … aren’t we all sinners anyway?”
    Posted by: John West at August 16, 2007 11:44 AM
    The Left insists we tolerate sin it approves of, while demanding intolerance towards sin it disapproves of.
    A hollywood starlet is free to jet off to an adulterous affair as long as the rent-a-car is a Prius and the lighting low-energy bulbs.

  35. The sheer ignorance of some of these comments are hardly worth responding to but I couldn’t resist. If conference calling were so effective why is it Gore does his side shows in person? why doesn’t he phone it in? Do you think they would pay $200 a pop to watch him form home? Why do thousands of people pay $75, burn tens of thousands of gallons of gas in the process to get to a Sheryl Crow concert when they can listen to her on a CD?
    Business travelers know all to well planes are glorified buses and all cities and hotel rooms soon look alike. Business people travel because it is a necessity not because its glamorous.

  36. Some crack-pots want to introduce LIONS and ELEPHANTS to here in america Frankly i think their guys are OUT OF THEIR MINDS if they want to see all those african critters let them visit WILDLIFE SAFARI in OREGON and let them get out of their cars and walk by a pride of lions who are hungry AND THEY INTRODUCED THAT STARLING TO HERE AND LOOK AT THE MESS ITS MADE WITH OUT NATIVE BIRDS

  37. Given the record that many evangelistic religions have had with regard to employees (sometimes the top guy) pilfering from the donation bucket, isn’t it time that the fraud squad was sent in to look over some of these organizations?

  38. Phantom, and other know it alls who like jet lag:
    I made an observation that teleconferencing is underused as a communication method, when the generation below you has embraced it as a daily activity. There’s nothing wrong with the occasional face to face meeting, but in the fields I’ve worked in, the people in charge have been unwilling to use the video conference infrastructure bought and paid for.

  39. Saskboy,
    So there we have it – the most effective way to do business is use tools that 8 year olds use to gossip.
    My view is that teleconferencing is an overused communications device in business. It is most effective when one person talks and x listen. For the bulk of them, a thought out half page memo conveys more information than a hour listening to someone drone on.

  42. Who cares if flying is a sin? For sure Hell has to be a lot more fun than the so-called Heaven these environmentalists are hawking.

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