When the concept of “multiculturalism” was introduced to Canadians, most assumed it meant “more pavilions at Folkfest”.
(Punjabi Stephane – call your office.)
When the concept of “multiculturalism” was introduced to Canadians, most assumed it meant “more pavilions at Folkfest”.
(Punjabi Stephane – call your office.)
Dion is a dweeb, no two ways around it.
…multiculturalism, bilingualism, how more “ism’s” does Canada need before it either goes bankrupt or wakes up to the waste of this silly inbreeding program?
Interesting.
There is extremism in the Sikh community for sure, but then they tend to be a pretty extreme bunch generally. Not bad, just… extreme. Kind of like a bunch of drunk Scotsmen with different hats.
One of the important differences between the Sikh nut groups and other imported nut groups is where their hate is directed. With the Sikhs it all goes back to India and gets focused on the Hindu upper crust of the Indian government. They really want to kill those guys.
To be fair, they’ve got good reason. Some of the Soviet-style crap pulled by the Indian government the last 30 years would curl your hair. You want to see some scary sh1t look up Golden Temple Massacre. Its a beauty.
Being nuts these Sikh boys don’t worry too much if a few Canadians get snuffed in their crusade for “justice”, but that isn’t their main point of interest. They want to blow up the subway in Bombay, not Toronto.
Unlike with the Jihadi fruitcakes. They’d like to have a go at Bombay -after- they do Toronto.
Very odd for Dion to be on stage with that particular bunch. He must really be hurting for donations, eh?
Dion will court whatever group he sees as possible Liberal voters.
If he’d wanted to get a real rousing cheer, he should have mentioned a “free Khalistan”, they’d have raised the (figurative) roof!
“Vive le Khalistan Libre!!!”
Ya, that’d be great. One of those old guys on stage there would have slapped his head I bet. ~:D
Phantom:
Do you mean the Golden Temple at Armistrat … or whatever.
Near as I recall, there was a weapons cache in the Golden Templ’s basement.
It was the first time I’d heard of such a thing – using a religious building as an armed fortress.
Since then, I’ve discovered that some mosques are also used as an armoury.
Is is something in the water in that part of the world?
Not the water. Its all the camel dung they keep smoking.
What a fascinating debate in the comments at blazingcatfur. “Kaptaan” the refreshingly honest Sikh offers the following:
“1. I am against this pseudo multi culti ism as well. People should come straight out and call it what it is – a project to eliminate the predominance of the Anglo-Saxon culture and values under the guise of the promotion of minority culture and relativism.
5. If non-Sikh Canadians have the right to free expression and can agitate against Communism, Nazism, the USA, etc… and Canadians are demonstrating against China for a free Tibet, then WHY shouldn’t CANADIAN Sikhs and supporters of HUMAN RIGHTS be free to express a desire to see the creation of Khalistan or any other state?
6. SIKHS are CANADIAN and are here to stay – like it or lump it. It’s time you figured this out instead of yammering on about how they should leave this that or the other at “home”. Home is Canada (for CANADIAN Sikhs), not anywhere else. Canada IS our homeland, it’s one country where we are free to worship as we choose, say what we think, and live free (except the confiscatory taxes and general erosion of individual rights of course) without the threat of state-sanctioned and delivered death, torture or harassment.”
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6) HOME for CANADIAN Sikhs IS and ALWAYS will BE CANADA. Just as Irish-Canadians aspired to have an Irish homeland, so too can Sikhs aspire to have a Sikh homeland. Whether Irish-Canadians call Ireland home, is a different story, but I’m sure they are content just the same knowing that it’s there. No one questions the loyalty of Irish-Canadians (despite hearing that they hold a parade or two in Canada celebrating their Irishness), and no one should question the loyalty of Sikh-Canadians either.”
What is disturbing to me is that there appears to be a cross-pollination between the Sikh & Muslim groups cited in the post. Tarek Fateh is the focal point for each, but for a few, as you sift through the comments, “shared values” emerge.
Deep Zoravor Z (Edmonton, AB) posted:
“Usama Bin Laden is not hungry for world domination. You have him confused with the U.S.
It is non sequitur to even speak of the virgins they are ‘promised’ after death.”
These are the words of a Sikh, from Edmonton yet,Oh My – well Edmonton was always pretty Liberal as I recall.
Andrew- careful with Kaptaan – he will not acknowledge that Sikhs were responsible for the Air India terrorisst attack and seems to wish to promote “alternate” theories i.e. Indian Security Service involvement.
CBC dirka dirka shiks dirka dirka….
From CTV politics blog archives May 31, 2007…
Former Liberal leadership contestant Gerard Kennedy; Navdeep Bains, MP for Mississauga – Brampton South; and Omar Alghabra, MP for Mississauga – Erindale, served the National Post, columnist Jonathan Kay and related persons with notices of libel over statements that the three politicians were involved in deals to exchange votes in return for changes to national security policy.
Included as a defendant in one of the notices is John Doe, representing the anonymous source cited by Mr. Kay in his column published in the National Post February 27th, 2007.
“Mr. Kay has suggested criminal conduct on the part of Mr. Kennedy. This suggestion is false and defamatory. The situation is particularly aggravated by the fact that Mr. Kay’s article is based on the information of a source whose identity, motives and credibility have been concealed. We look forward to exposing Mr. Kay’s anonymous source so that Mr. Kennedy may be fully vindicated,” said Mr. Howard Winkler of Aird and Berlis, LLP, lawyer for Mr. Kennedy.
So when is Gerard Kennedy going to sue Terry Milewski, CBC and Ujjal Dosanjh? After the lawsuit against Jonathon Kay and the National Post is over or before it goes to trial?
Part of the CBC/Milewski documentary copied from Blazing Cat Fur comments
youtube.com/watch?v=hycDaez2gco
he will not acknowledge that Sikhs were responsible for the Air India terrorisst attack
my neighbour’s from northern ireland….he won’t accept responsibility for the terrorist acts of the I.R.A.
mind you, he’s white so i guess it’s OK.
he will not acknowledge that Sikhs were responsible for the Air India terrorisst attack
my neighbour’s from northern ireland….he won’t accept responsibility for the terrorist acts of the I.R.A.
WTF???? Did you read this first or do you post just to see your name on the screen?
Jeff Davidson:
“he will not acknowledge that Sikhs were responsible for the Air India terrorisst attack
my neighbour’s from northern ireland….he won’t accept responsibility for the terrorist acts of the I.R.A.
mind you, he’s white so i guess it’s OK.”
Jeff is the type of smug left wing idiot who imagines racism wherever he see’s it.
I’ve said it before: the fundamental underpinning of leftist thought is poor reading comprehension.
Set You Free, yep, that’s the one. The Golden Temple at Amritsar. wiki isn’t bad on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Temple
The separatist leader guy come the day had a cache of weapons. That guy the Indian Army took out pretty quick.
What they did after… that’s the fun part. Women, children, little kids, old men, oh yeah. And they mortared the temple too. Biiig fun.
My contacts tell me nobody in the Punjab gave two craps about this nut job and his crazy separatism shtick until -after- the massacre. That’s why Indira Ghandi was killed. Best thing that ever happened to India since the Brits left, IMHO.
The short answer to what was in the water was Ghandi. Her old man was a raving socialist and so was she. Between them they may actually have starved almost as many people as Mao.
People get tired of that, know what I mean?
I’ve said it before: the fundamental underpinning of leftist thought is poor reading comprehension.
reading comprehension? give me a break. blazincatfur is singing the tune kate likes best.
sung to the tune from cheers…
making your way in the world today
takes all the hate you got….
blaming your woes on other people
seems to help alot….
don’t you wish they’d go awayyyyyy?
sometimes you wanna gooooo
where everybody hates the gays
and everybody worships kaaaaaaate
you wanna be where you can see
the colour is all the saaame
you wanna be where
everybody worships kate…
thank you and goodnight. davidson has left the building. big kisses.
Incidentally, don’t be mistaking Sikhs for Muslims. The Sikh religion started because Hindus in the Punjab got sick of being raided by the Muslims from up north. They’ve been fighting the Muzzies for 500 years
Also, unlike Islam the Sikh religion accepts and honors all religions and peoples. Even a Muslim will not be turned out of a Sikh temple. They’ll even feed him. Sikhs walk the walk.
jeff Lower Case davidson could learn something from them. Like how not to be a total d1ck.
Well jeff pranced right on out of here. Pity.
that was an amazing speech Borat Dion did in Punjabi, I didnt understand a word but it must have been good.
Ah yes, Blazing Cat Fur says, “careful with Kaptaan”.
Think of a 70’s tv series trailer and some guy saying the following, while dark figures roam the screen, “Watch out for the Kaptaan, he won’t acknowledge Sikh involvement in the Air India crash :-)”. “What else won’t Kaptaan acknowledge next?” “Stay tuned, we’ll soon find out!” da,da,da,da… as the screen fades to black and cuts to commercial.
Well, I’ll give you this much BCF, I’m not ruling out the involvement of individual Sikhs. In fact, I asked you to look into the book, “Soft Target : The real story behind the Air India disaster”, by Zuhair Kashmeri and Brian McAndrew, former Globe and Mail journalists, for something other than “the usual pablum” as it were.
In case you were wondering, its not so bad to have an “alternate” explanation for current events. Take global warming and climate change, for example, the media and the common man’s consensus is that, “the humans did it!” or “Bush is behind it!”, while an “alternate” explanation is that, “it’s the sun (or a result of some other ‘natural’ phenomenon)”…
and BTW you didn’t really answer the point I made about the double standard when it comes to ethnic/ religious minorities exercising their rights under the Charter versus “mainstream” Canadians and how folks such as yourself end up telling the ethnic/ religious minority to “leave ‘this’ back ‘home’ before you emigrate” to Canada.
Anyone who doesn’t know what I’m writing about can reference Blazing Cat Fur’s blog for more…
Yeah. Your reading comprehension,Jeff. Why don’t you look up the difference in a dictionary with regards to the differences between “acknowledge” and “accept”? Or is that book to hard for you to read?
Kaptaan yoo hoo Kaptaan- you are being loose with the truth again.
You said- “and BTW you didn’t really answer the point I made about the double standard when it comes to ethnic/ religious minorities exercising their rights under the Charter versus “mainstream” Canadians and how folks such as yourself end up telling the ethnic/ religious minority to “leave ‘this’ back ‘home’ before you emigrate” to Canada.”
On my blog I clearly stated:
6) It is one thing to recognize your heritage, another entirely to advocate for the establishment of a homeland through violence as some members of the Sikh community do. I could care less whether the perpetrators were Irish, Palestinian or from Mars- do not import your domestic poltics here.
BTW Kaptaan “alternate” explanations only wash when they can be supported by facts not wishful thinking;)
Truth makes some folks absolutely nuts!
Well maybe it just brings the nuts out…..
So the Ceeb is getting sued for doing a rare thing like actually investigating and reporting facts??
This world is just chock full of ironies!
I love this line by Kaptaan, reads just like a 9/11 conspirazoid – “I’m not ruling out the involvement of individual Sikhs” , plenty of wiggle room;) This guy has been reading CAIRS handbook.
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hah… you think you’ve got a bugboy jeffy problem over here?
he’s actually asking me to unzip and measure.
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hahaha, when was I loose with the “truth” the first time? You never mentioned this before, and we had such a nice conversation going?
To your point Blazing Cat Fur, you did write the following to a commenter on your blog did you not? “Perhaps you should have left this at home when you emigrated.”
What exactly was that supposed to mean? Do you expect people to leave their personal history and life altering events at ‘home’ when they emigrate? and how does this relate to CANADIAN Sikhs, not INDIAN, GERMAN, HONG KONG, or [insert country name here] Sikhs.
What exactly should those “made in” CANADA Sikhs leave behind, and where more importantly? (the womb hasn’t been certified a ‘foreign’ jurisdiction as far as I know)
I was born and educated in Canada, and I, quite frankly, got a healthy sense of how hard Canadians fought for their rights, especially freedom of religion, speech, and association. I was never told these rights were available on any basis other than citizenship.
As I said at Singh On The World, “it doesn’t seem entirely congruous to on the one hand claim that Sikhs who demonstrate [for] or support an independent Khalistan are engaging in “foreign” politics, and on the other to support freedom of expression, speech, religion, etc…”
So which is it? Either CANADIAN Sikhs can exercise their Charter Rights without people carping about them bringing ‘problems’ over to Canada from some other ‘home’ OR CANADIAN Sikhs aren’t free to exercise their Charter Rights (and if that’s the case, then say it in plain english, not hide behind semantics).
As for your comment about alternate paradigms for the Air India bombing being “supported by facts,”, I’m sure the publisher, Lorimer, of Zuhair and Brian’s book wouldn’t have done so unless the facts were checked… and pay close attention to the review by the Ottawa Citizen from Amazon.ca’s website, you can read the review,
“Review
Ottawa Citizen : Praise for the first edition:
“The book deals with a difficult subject and does so honestly and painstakingly. … Its strength is that is presents the results of its investigations. Unless these are refuted, or some one comes up with a more credible explanation of these events, the book would remain as the most useful document on the subject.”
Calgary Herald : Praise for the first edition:
“There is much documented and useful information in Soft Target, which often reads like a spy thriller. The authors weave Sikh politicians, RCMP officers, CSIS agents and Indian consuls into a fascinating story.”
Book Description
A provocative look at one of Canada’s biggest tragedies
On March 16, 2005, almost twenty years after one of the biggest mass murders in Canadian Aviation history, the Air-India Case concluded with a verdict that authors Zuhair Kashmeri and Brian McAndrew predicted sixteen years ago when Soft Target was first published: not guilty.
In this second edition, the two offer a detailed foreword that brings readers up-to-date with some startling new information surrounding the twin bombings on June 23, 1985 in the air over the Atlantic, and on the ground in Japan, which left 331 people dead. They offer key details from the trial of Ripudaman Singh Malik and Ajaib Singh Bagri that took place in a specially-built Vancouver courtroom, leads that were not followed up, and more details of India’s intelligence service’s clandestine interference in Canada. They explain how their own prediction that justice would not be found because of a botched investigation came true, and that only a public inquiry will offer closure to the families of the victims.”
Just one more thing, for the benefit of my Punjabi brethren, “Chak De Phatte” 🙂
BCF, now why would you start to attack me personally by saying, “just like a 9/11 conspirazoid”… “This guy has been reading CAIRS handbook.”?
You call me a 9/11 moonbat nutter, and then associate me with an un-indicted co-conspirator (CAIR) in a terrorism case. Why? What makes you think that I have anything to do with CAIR or that I’m insane?
It’s sad really. I did quite enjoy reading your blog, you’ve made some good points in the past. Why not admit that I have a valid argument and we can all go home? (and more importantly, to sleep :-))
Kaptaan, not once have I suggested that Sikhs be denied the rights to freedom of worship or speech. Not once have I suggested that Sikhs cannot be Canadian.
My comment to Mai “Perhaps you should have left this at home when you emigrated.” was in response to her invitation to visit her blog, to in her words “see what real-life, foaming -at-the-mouth Delhi ’84 surviving Canadian Khalistan supporters are like.” – she wasn’t wrong in her description by the way;)
The comment is self explanatory and applies to yourself as much to her. Do not import your hatreds political,religious or otherwise. Do not expect Canadians of any stripe to turn a blind eye to the extremism in our midst, Sikh, Muslim or otherwise. Being a peacable proponent of Khalistan is one thing, advocating for or otherwise supporting violence to achieve that end another. In your zeal to suggest that the Air India tragedy was not the work of Sikh extremists coupled with your denunciation of the CBC report, suggests to me that for you Canada is simply an address of convenience. A situation aided and abetted by the politics of multiculturalism. political correctness and our own craven politicians.
Don’t play the race card Kaptaan, I called you on it on your own blog, I’ll call you on it here.
Kaptaan, you can start with acknowledging that Sikh extremism is active in Canada, that Sikh extremists were behind the Air India bombings. This is the real world Kaptaan, your dissembling will not stand scrutiny, so please enough with the plaintive appeals to your “hurt feelings”.
I am glad you enjoyed my blog, I welcome you there whenever you wish to visit. No hard feelings.
Jezzus, don’t tell us Lame Duckie Dion was attempting to speak Punjabi? He can’t speak English, the language of the majority he proposes to lead.
The Liberals will be out to sue anyone they think a shyster lawyer can pull a few bucks from. They’re so broke and mean they’ll be combing the media outlets for people to litigate against.
Not the first time Terry Milewski has been hauled up on the carpet for being too outspoken.
We know the depth of the truth by the loud outcries it engenders. It sometimes has quite a sting.
When a Democracy starts giving special rights to all minorities, do we still have the basis for Democracy, equality for all, or are we making some more equal than others?
When anyone dares to question any action affecting a minority all hell breaks loose and the hollers and hoots of “Bigot” and “Racist” start flying.
This is hardly a recipe for a stable, unified
and strong Nation, it’s closer to one of Balkanized, warring factions.
BCF, I see you’ve made some additional allegations against me in your previous posts and you refuse to answer my questions. Not the least that I’m dissembling, which I’m NOT.
1. you wrote, “The comment is self explanatory and applies to yourself as much to her. Do not import your hatreds political,religious or otherwise.”
I didn’t ‘import’ anything, and I don’t know who it is you THINK I ‘hate’. As I said before, I am in fact Canadian, I’m sure much to some people’s chagrin.
2. you wrote, “Do not expect Canadians of any stripe to turn a blind eye to the extremism in our midst, Sikh, Muslim or otherwise. Being a peacable proponent of Khalistan is one thing, advocating for or otherwise supporting violence to achieve that end another.”
Whose asking you to ‘turn a blind eye’ to violence in Canada or against Canadians? When did I say, or imply that you should ‘turn a blind eye’ to violence?
As for your point about extremism, there are extremists everywhere about every issue in every community in Canada (there’s your acceptance of active extremism). Highlighting Sikh extremists isn’t exactly some sort of “coup d’etat”. Some anti-abortionists are willing to kill doctors in their cause, some anti-government militiamen are willing to kill government workers, some animal rights and environment advocates resort to violence, etc… Those individuals don’t invalidate the larger cause, but rather demonstrate their own maladaptations and shortcomings.
3. you wrote, “In your zeal to suggest that the Air India tragedy was not the work of Sikh extremists coupled with your denunciation of the CBC report, suggests to me that for you Canada is simply an address of convenience.”
When did I write that Sikhs were not involved in the Air India bombing, with ‘zeal’? I don’t have that kind of information to make that kind of claim. But neither do I nor does anyone else know the facts of the matter to say that ONLY Sikhs were involved. To lay the blame SOLELY at the feet of individual Sikhs is too easy, when CREDIBLE alternatives do exist, pointing to additional players, and have been documented. I didn’t just pull this out of thin air.
If you think that a. not believing the ‘hype’, and b. believing that the CBC is biased, makes Canada an address of convenience for me, then you should add a good lot of people to your ‘passport of convenience’ THEORY.
4. you wrote, “Don’t play the race card Kaptaan, I called you on it on your own blog, I’ll call you on it here.”
Why don’t you answer the question I posed? There is a palpable double standard. When was the last time you or anyone else called for all those Canadians, at the latest, ‘free Tibet’ rally or ‘peace’ rally for that matter, to leave their ‘hate’ behind when they ’emigrated’?
Why can’t you accept that Canadians born in this country DIDN’T ’emigrate’ to Canada, and formed their opinions and beliefs while living in Canada and going to Canadian public schools?
5. When did advocating for Human Rights, equality and Freedom of conscience, religion, association, etc.. become akin to ‘hate’? Were all those people protesting anti-Apartheid in South Africa engaging in ‘hate’? Despite what you may think, Canadians have every RIGHT to demonstrate peacefully about, real Human Rights abuses and that demonstration may call for a new state to be created.
6. Your attempt to score some conservative brownie points by pointing out some Facebook site, and what was said by someone who likely is barely in or past his teens, doesn’t help conservatives or bring you any credibility. Yes, yes I know you said your point is about extremism in Canada, but you made some other points as well and that is what I’ve been commenting on.
This is getting to be tedious and I don’t want to engage with you on this any further. You believe what you want, and I’ll do the same. At least in Canada, I know I won’t be tortured or otherwise harassed by the state for my beliefs (at least not yet… I think).
As long as you don’t believe you have a right to own a gun you’ll be fine, Kaptaan. Or a pit bull. Or have a nitrous system in your Honda. Or own property within 12 miles of the Grand River…
Hmmm…
Yes Phantom, I agree, I had mentioned to BCF in another comment earlier that we’re Free in Canada (if you can get past the confiscatory taxation and erosion of individual rights, but that’s another matter for another day)
Jeff sounds as smart as Cliff,as deep as Sam and has the common sense of Diane. Did I forget anybody?
Kaptaan, you keep going round and round in a circular fashion, asking me to refute the same lame arguments you make, over and over and you have the nerve to tell me that YOU find it tedious. That’s rich, I give you C for Chutzpah.