In the Herald this morning it said that Orangutangs had moved ahead of Chimpanzees and were second on the intellegence scale, I think hippy drummers may have just moved the orangutangs back a notch and pulled the second spot themselves.
Imagine days and days of drumming thinking yourself as actually useful, goes right along with the mascots and birkenstocks with woolsocks.
The second one, just in case someone fails to realize this, is NOT something put out by the NDP. It’s been put together by someone who seems to support them but s/he appears to be somewhat to the left of that party. The NDP would never put out anything that (from the NDP’s perspective) radical!
exile,
Are you saying Comrade Taliban Jack is left of the NDP party?
“clearly on my side”
I don’t think so……..
maybe Taliban Jack can recruit the booted Greenie Mr. Potvin. both are sympathtic to the Taliban cause.
Power to the people would mean fighting tooth and nail against socialist government.
Jack Layton has never lifted a finger to help anyone, and he never will – he’ll say it’s the government’s job.
ural: “exile,
Are you saying Comrade Taliban Jack is left of the NDP party?”
Well, to revert to my oft-repeated point: it’s important to distinguish liberals, social democrats, and socialists (marxist and otherwise) if you are going to discuss politics in a useful way. (The video itself confuses these things by referring to the NDP project as “socialism”.)
Hari – Krishna have a mind numbing drum beat too.
Mind numbing ,. . mind knumbing, … mind knummbbing. = TG
In the November/December issue of Canadian Dimension magazine, Mr. Leo Panitch interviewed Mr. Layton. In that interview – tinyurl.com/2bbsny – Mr. Layton said: “Socialist? I’m proud to call myself a socialist. I prefer it by far to democratic socialist”. That is, Mr. Layton considers himself to be a non-democratic socialist, also known as a communist.
Yeah, all a pile of crap. ‘Woman closest to the camera seemed drugged. ‘Wonder if she wanted to be there. I can just hear it: “Ah, c’mon Jill. It’s going to be real fun. And we NEED you.”
Hmmm.
Then comes the NDP with all of their promises, to EVERYBODY–ones they’ll never have to come through on, as the most they ever get of the Canadian vote is 20%.
I’m especially intrigued by their promises to help “the working family.” My family was a working family, one dad, one mom who stayed home to care for the kids, and two kids–and did the proposals in the NDP agenda ever help our “working family”?
Nope.
To be a bona fide working family in the eyes of the NDP you either had to have both Dad and Mom out of the house working, making money for the State, with kids in universal, publically funded daycare, OR a single mom with her kid/s living off the State, OR a gay couple with or without kids. If it was a gay couple with kids, the State’s healthcare would obviously pay for the Turkey Baster and whatever other services were required from a third party.
Any of these family models would do for the NDP, whereas Fenris Badwulf’s (see Dust My Broom) heteronormative couple with kids and a heteronormative parent taking care of the kids was verbotten.
The NDP is a party whose time and agenda is way past its sell-by date (well, we’ve seen their constituency in the first video). Tell me, again, why Canadians still vote for them?
The NDP, the Party that defies all logic.
Historically they’ve been the Party of the Union movement to suck more money from employers and cut their profits. That is now coming home to roost, companies are heading South to places like Mexico.
How do they think all their Social programs can be funded when they hate big business and try to prevent them from making profits at every turn?
Evolution is there for all to see. The NDP should go the way of the Do-Do Birds.
Looks like the big squeeze is on, starting in Central Nova!
Death to socialism! Death to communism!
My favourite is “Confront poverty”.
There are two times I confront poverty:
1. When I wake in the morning, and then get out of bed to go to work.
2. When stuck in traffic at the junction of ST. Patrick and King Edward in Ottawa.
I spent 3.5 months with my family in a refugee camp running away from a “helpful and caring” (communist) government like this. So seeing this scares the heck out of me.
Also…who exacly do they propose will pay for all this kindness towards everyone?
Someone please tell these people they are so 1960’s and they missed it by forty years.
I’m going to go out on a limb here but I don’t see any tie between a bunch of kids playing drums in the park and a slick (did you catch the green NDP leaf?) ad for the dippers.
The drummers didn’t seem to be spouting any message and I dare day the the rhythm of drums is pretty common in almost all cultures. I’ve seen groups like this all over the place in parks on any given sunny weekend. I could and have watched the Japanese drummers for hours. It is a fairly natural thing to thump out a beat even if it is on the car steering wheel. No hidden agenda there.
Full points for the dweeb that didn’t realize that Kate didn’t write the thread.
When I see stuff like this, I actually relax a little about socialism. Bongos? Power to the People? This kind of thing actually moves someone? To do what? Hand out copies of Socialist Worker on the corner of Yonge and Dundas while trying to be heard above the din made by the Hari Krishnas? Buy a Che Guevara t-shirt? Wave cardboard signs with crayon scribble on them? The historically inevitable revolutionary socialist workers’ millennium is not going to be brought about this way (or at all).
I’m sure there’s a point here but I’m missing it. Here, I thought hippies were apolitical or if they had to choose, anarchistic. I wonder if Yoko is making a buck off of that, btw.
I wonder if the [LIEberal]RED And GREEN (R.A.G) Party can do better.
The NDP promise everything – stealing the LIEberals platform – and do nothing.
This takes away all promises from the R.A.G.s and not much more to promise except killing the economy to meet Koyto agreement and send the Western farmers back into bondage under the CWB.
If the R.A.G. party gets in they will set Canada back in many areas.
The Conservatives may have lied concerning Income Trusts, but what is one broken promise campaired to the LIEberals constant LIEs and broken promises?
From four parties back to three: LIEberals, NDP, Creen and Conservative TO THE Consservatives, NDP and R.A.G. Party. Should be an interesting election in a few months but hopefully in a few years.
socialism, canada is a socialist country. there are very few things in this land that government does not have their greasy hands on.
Vitruvius: “In the November/December issue of Canadian Dimension magazine, Mr. Leo Panitch interviewed Mr. Layton. In that interview – tinyurl.com/2bbsny – Mr. Layton said: “Socialist? I’m proud to call myself a socialist. I prefer it by far to democratic socialist”. That is, Mr. Layton considers himself to be a non-democratic socialist, also known as a communist.”
1) Whatever Mr Layton may like to call himself, his political ideology is social democracy. (There has to be some way of distinguishing verbally between “capitalism with a human face”, so called – which is what Mr Layton espouses – and socialism.)
2) Saying that you prefer to be called a “socialist” rather than a “democratic socialist” does not mean that you reject democracy, any more than preferring to be called a “republican” rather than a “democrat” means that you reject democracy.
3) Since both Mr Layton and communists all over the world agree that Mr Layton is not a communist, I think the evidence is very strong that he is not a communist.
What Layton believes in is a capitalist society with a tax system that supports some “social services” available to all, together with, possibly, a limited amount of public ownership. If you think this is marxism, you clearly know very little about marxism!
Blackadder: “When I see stuff like this, I actually relax a little about socialism. Bongos? Power to the People? This kind of thing actually moves someone? To do what? Hand out copies of Socialist Worker on the corner of Yonge and Dundas while trying to be heard above the din made by the Hari Krishnas? Buy a Che Guevara t-shirt? Wave cardboard signs with crayon scribble on them? The historically inevitable revolutionary socialist workers’ millennium is not going to be brought about this way (or at all).”
That’s right. Socialism isn’t going to come about this way. It’s you people on the far right who seem to think there’s some connection. There’s not. You set up a straw man and then knock it down!
Vitruvius: “In the November/December issue of Canadian Dimension magazine, Mr. Leo Panitch interviewed Mr. Layton. In that interview – tinyurl.com/2bbsny – Mr. Layton said: “Socialist? I’m proud to call myself a socialist. I prefer it by far to democratic socialist”. That is, Mr. Layton considers himself to be a non-democratic socialist, also known as a communist.”
And you thought maybe I wasn’t aware of this interview or hadn’t read it? I read it long ago. See my reply above.
“I spent 3.5 months with my family in a refugee camp running away from a “helpful and caring” (communist) government like this. So seeing this scares the heck out of me.”
1) If you think the NDP are communists, read an elementary book of political theory.
2) I lost the better part of my life, thanks to capitalism. I can introduce you to people who were tortured and whose friends and family were tortured and killed by capitalist goverments, with the full support and assistance of the U.S. government.
exile
The world waits…..
Mr Exile:
You appear to be implying that there is some way socialism will come about. The world awaits, indeed; more information, please.
I’m sold….who do I make the cheque out to?
exile,
You sold me, fer sure. You, Taliban Jack, and the rest of you socialists might want to go and change every definition of social democrats ever written. Social democrats = verbose communists.
Evolutionary dead-end anyone?
How about the extinction of the LIEberals – now called the RAG Party of Canada?
The RAG Party [RED AND GREEN PARTY] as I like to call the alliance is great for the NDP. Bloc and Consrvatives. This way the RAGs can pick whetre they want to run and forget about the grassroots as set by the leaders of the RAG Party – “I will not run against you if you do not run against me,” attitude. Now I know how DeYawn will APPOINT – with no grassroot input – who will run in each riding. At least I know that the NDP, Bolc and Conservative parties want grassroot represanatives.
This is wonderful, the RAGs will win some seats this way, yet, the question is; who will be the new leader? The Reds [LIEberals] or the Greens. It will be the election that decides a few years from now. Will the LIEberals accept the Greens when they win more seats than the Reds?
Can you imagine the advertising:
“It is said of DeYawn, “you didn’t get it done” and the RAGS say we will get it done – even if we destroy the country.”
“The RAGs are able to clean up the the LIEberal mess better than the Conservatives.”
The “Anonymos RAGs” who are to ashamed to be identified – have doubble the insults because they have a filthy reputation to start with. All the LIEberal scandels, three of the four worst Prime Ministers Canada ever had, The LIEberals are jumping the “party ship” to be replaced by the Greems [DeYawns choice of candates – without grassroots input – parachuted into ridings.] Great for political donations.
Yes, the RAG Party is truly a great description of the Alliance. The best thing about the RAG Party is that you can rip them up into pieces. The problem arises is that the voters have to choose between a dirty {LIEberal] and clean [Green] RAG. I do feel sorry for the Green Party, they actuallw wanted to make a differance, unlike the LIEberals who only want POWER again.
Some twit in TIME tried to now claim humans are related to chimps what a load of bull kaka and then there NATIONAL GEORGAPHIC is trying to claim they found a million year old child which look more like a shaved little oranatang and if this is true did they shave a little oranatang for this picture they the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC SOCIETY should be sued for cruelty to animals
Kate,
Very, very funny.
Tomm
In the Herald this morning it said that Orangutangs had moved ahead of Chimpanzees and were second on the intellegence scale, I think hippy drummers may have just moved the orangutangs back a notch and pulled the second spot themselves.
Imagine days and days of drumming thinking yourself as actually useful, goes right along with the mascots and birkenstocks with woolsocks.
The second one, just in case someone fails to realize this, is NOT something put out by the NDP. It’s been put together by someone who seems to support them but s/he appears to be somewhat to the left of that party. The NDP would never put out anything that (from the NDP’s perspective) radical!
exile,
Are you saying Comrade Taliban Jack is left of the NDP party?
“clearly on my side”
I don’t think so……..
maybe Taliban Jack can recruit the booted Greenie Mr. Potvin. both are sympathtic to the Taliban cause.
Power to the people would mean fighting tooth and nail against socialist government.
Jack Layton has never lifted a finger to help anyone, and he never will – he’ll say it’s the government’s job.
ural: “exile,
Are you saying Comrade Taliban Jack is left of the NDP party?”
Well, to revert to my oft-repeated point: it’s important to distinguish liberals, social democrats, and socialists (marxist and otherwise) if you are going to discuss politics in a useful way. (The video itself confuses these things by referring to the NDP project as “socialism”.)
This isn’t an official NDP video. It was posted on Youtube by this fellow:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Dmitry1989
Hari – Krishna have a mind numbing drum beat too.
Mind numbing ,. . mind knumbing, … mind knummbbing. = TG
In the November/December issue of Canadian Dimension magazine, Mr. Leo Panitch interviewed Mr. Layton. In that interview – tinyurl.com/2bbsny – Mr. Layton said: “Socialist? I’m proud to call myself a socialist. I prefer it by far to democratic socialist”. That is, Mr. Layton considers himself to be a non-democratic socialist, also known as a communist.
Yeah, all a pile of crap. ‘Woman closest to the camera seemed drugged. ‘Wonder if she wanted to be there. I can just hear it: “Ah, c’mon Jill. It’s going to be real fun. And we NEED you.”
Hmmm.
Then comes the NDP with all of their promises, to EVERYBODY–ones they’ll never have to come through on, as the most they ever get of the Canadian vote is 20%.
I’m especially intrigued by their promises to help “the working family.” My family was a working family, one dad, one mom who stayed home to care for the kids, and two kids–and did the proposals in the NDP agenda ever help our “working family”?
Nope.
To be a bona fide working family in the eyes of the NDP you either had to have both Dad and Mom out of the house working, making money for the State, with kids in universal, publically funded daycare, OR a single mom with her kid/s living off the State, OR a gay couple with or without kids. If it was a gay couple with kids, the State’s healthcare would obviously pay for the Turkey Baster and whatever other services were required from a third party.
Any of these family models would do for the NDP, whereas Fenris Badwulf’s (see Dust My Broom) heteronormative couple with kids and a heteronormative parent taking care of the kids was verbotten.
The NDP is a party whose time and agenda is way past its sell-by date (well, we’ve seen their constituency in the first video). Tell me, again, why Canadians still vote for them?
The NDP, the Party that defies all logic.
Historically they’ve been the Party of the Union movement to suck more money from employers and cut their profits. That is now coming home to roost, companies are heading South to places like Mexico.
How do they think all their Social programs can be funded when they hate big business and try to prevent them from making profits at every turn?
Evolution is there for all to see. The NDP should go the way of the Do-Do Birds.
Looks like the big squeeze is on, starting in Central Nova!
Death to socialism! Death to communism!
My favourite is “Confront poverty”.
There are two times I confront poverty:
1. When I wake in the morning, and then get out of bed to go to work.
2. When stuck in traffic at the junction of ST. Patrick and King Edward in Ottawa.
I spent 3.5 months with my family in a refugee camp running away from a “helpful and caring” (communist) government like this. So seeing this scares the heck out of me.
Also…who exacly do they propose will pay for all this kindness towards everyone?
Someone please tell these people they are so 1960’s and they missed it by forty years.
I’m going to go out on a limb here but I don’t see any tie between a bunch of kids playing drums in the park and a slick (did you catch the green NDP leaf?) ad for the dippers.
The drummers didn’t seem to be spouting any message and I dare day the the rhythm of drums is pretty common in almost all cultures. I’ve seen groups like this all over the place in parks on any given sunny weekend. I could and have watched the Japanese drummers for hours. It is a fairly natural thing to thump out a beat even if it is on the car steering wheel. No hidden agenda there.
Full points for the dweeb that didn’t realize that Kate didn’t write the thread.
When I see stuff like this, I actually relax a little about socialism. Bongos? Power to the People? This kind of thing actually moves someone? To do what? Hand out copies of Socialist Worker on the corner of Yonge and Dundas while trying to be heard above the din made by the Hari Krishnas? Buy a Che Guevara t-shirt? Wave cardboard signs with crayon scribble on them? The historically inevitable revolutionary socialist workers’ millennium is not going to be brought about this way (or at all).
I’m sure there’s a point here but I’m missing it. Here, I thought hippies were apolitical or if they had to choose, anarchistic. I wonder if Yoko is making a buck off of that, btw.
I wonder if the [LIEberal]RED And GREEN (R.A.G) Party can do better.
The NDP promise everything – stealing the LIEberals platform – and do nothing.
This takes away all promises from the R.A.G.s and not much more to promise except killing the economy to meet Koyto agreement and send the Western farmers back into bondage under the CWB.
If the R.A.G. party gets in they will set Canada back in many areas.
The Conservatives may have lied concerning Income Trusts, but what is one broken promise campaired to the LIEberals constant LIEs and broken promises?
From four parties back to three: LIEberals, NDP, Creen and Conservative TO THE Consservatives, NDP and R.A.G. Party. Should be an interesting election in a few months but hopefully in a few years.
socialism, canada is a socialist country. there are very few things in this land that government does not have their greasy hands on.
Vitruvius: “In the November/December issue of Canadian Dimension magazine, Mr. Leo Panitch interviewed Mr. Layton. In that interview – tinyurl.com/2bbsny – Mr. Layton said: “Socialist? I’m proud to call myself a socialist. I prefer it by far to democratic socialist”. That is, Mr. Layton considers himself to be a non-democratic socialist, also known as a communist.”
1) Whatever Mr Layton may like to call himself, his political ideology is social democracy. (There has to be some way of distinguishing verbally between “capitalism with a human face”, so called – which is what Mr Layton espouses – and socialism.)
2) Saying that you prefer to be called a “socialist” rather than a “democratic socialist” does not mean that you reject democracy, any more than preferring to be called a “republican” rather than a “democrat” means that you reject democracy.
3) Since both Mr Layton and communists all over the world agree that Mr Layton is not a communist, I think the evidence is very strong that he is not a communist.
What Layton believes in is a capitalist society with a tax system that supports some “social services” available to all, together with, possibly, a limited amount of public ownership. If you think this is marxism, you clearly know very little about marxism!
Blackadder: “When I see stuff like this, I actually relax a little about socialism. Bongos? Power to the People? This kind of thing actually moves someone? To do what? Hand out copies of Socialist Worker on the corner of Yonge and Dundas while trying to be heard above the din made by the Hari Krishnas? Buy a Che Guevara t-shirt? Wave cardboard signs with crayon scribble on them? The historically inevitable revolutionary socialist workers’ millennium is not going to be brought about this way (or at all).”
That’s right. Socialism isn’t going to come about this way. It’s you people on the far right who seem to think there’s some connection. There’s not. You set up a straw man and then knock it down!
Vitruvius: “In the November/December issue of Canadian Dimension magazine, Mr. Leo Panitch interviewed Mr. Layton. In that interview – tinyurl.com/2bbsny – Mr. Layton said: “Socialist? I’m proud to call myself a socialist. I prefer it by far to democratic socialist”. That is, Mr. Layton considers himself to be a non-democratic socialist, also known as a communist.”
And you thought maybe I wasn’t aware of this interview or hadn’t read it? I read it long ago. See my reply above.
“I spent 3.5 months with my family in a refugee camp running away from a “helpful and caring” (communist) government like this. So seeing this scares the heck out of me.”
1) If you think the NDP are communists, read an elementary book of political theory.
2) I lost the better part of my life, thanks to capitalism. I can introduce you to people who were tortured and whose friends and family were tortured and killed by capitalist goverments, with the full support and assistance of the U.S. government.
exile
The world waits…..
Mr Exile:
You appear to be implying that there is some way socialism will come about. The world awaits, indeed; more information, please.
I’m sold….who do I make the cheque out to?
exile,
You sold me, fer sure. You, Taliban Jack, and the rest of you socialists might want to go and change every definition of social democrats ever written. Social democrats = verbose communists.
Evolutionary dead-end anyone?
How about the extinction of the LIEberals – now called the RAG Party of Canada?
The RAG Party [RED AND GREEN PARTY] as I like to call the alliance is great for the NDP. Bloc and Consrvatives. This way the RAGs can pick whetre they want to run and forget about the grassroots as set by the leaders of the RAG Party – “I will not run against you if you do not run against me,” attitude. Now I know how DeYawn will APPOINT – with no grassroot input – who will run in each riding. At least I know that the NDP, Bolc and Conservative parties want grassroot represanatives.
This is wonderful, the RAGs will win some seats this way, yet, the question is; who will be the new leader? The Reds [LIEberals] or the Greens. It will be the election that decides a few years from now. Will the LIEberals accept the Greens when they win more seats than the Reds?
Can you imagine the advertising:
“It is said of DeYawn, “you didn’t get it done” and the RAGS say we will get it done – even if we destroy the country.”
“The RAGs are able to clean up the the LIEberal mess better than the Conservatives.”
The “Anonymos RAGs” who are to ashamed to be identified – have doubble the insults because they have a filthy reputation to start with. All the LIEberal scandels, three of the four worst Prime Ministers Canada ever had, The LIEberals are jumping the “party ship” to be replaced by the Greems [DeYawns choice of candates – without grassroots input – parachuted into ridings.] Great for political donations.
Yes, the RAG Party is truly a great description of the Alliance. The best thing about the RAG Party is that you can rip them up into pieces. The problem arises is that the voters have to choose between a dirty {LIEberal] and clean [Green] RAG. I do feel sorry for the Green Party, they actuallw wanted to make a differance, unlike the LIEberals who only want POWER again.
Some twit in TIME tried to now claim humans are related to chimps what a load of bull kaka and then there NATIONAL GEORGAPHIC is trying to claim they found a million year old child which look more like a shaved little oranatang and if this is true did they shave a little oranatang for this picture they the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC SOCIETY should be sued for cruelty to animals