The Nevada Democratic Party had agreed to a debate in August between Democratic presidential candidates – hosted by Fox.
But the socialist, Web-addicted wing of the Democratic Party was apoplectic. The prospect of having to watch Fox News to see their own candidates would have been torture in itself. So they set the blogosphere aflame with efforts to kill the broadcast arrangement, or at least have all the candidates pull out of the event. Before Friday, the opportunistic John Edwards was the only candidate to jump on that bandwagon.
You’d think the deal called for having Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter mock the candidates between comments. No, even unfiltered, unedited, live debate between loyal Democrats couldn’t be entrusted to Fox News.
The approach of outfits such as MoveOn.org is so juvenile it’s laughable. Imagine if every political organization created litmus tests for news organizations before agreeing to appear on their programming. Republicans would have boycotted PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, National Public Radio and The Associated Press decades ago.
Faster please!
Just went to moveon.org
Breaking News!
The Democratic Party of Nevada is dropping Fox as the host of its presidential debate! More than 265,000 of us signed the petition. Hopefully, this sets a precedent for all Democrats–that Fox should be treated as a right-wing misinformation network, not legitimized as a neutral source of news.
Last I heard, the man who owns Fox News – Rupert Murdock – is out hosting fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.
“Conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch will host a fundraiser for liberal New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, the Financial Times reports.
The mating ritual of the unlikely allies has been under way for months. Clinton set political tongues to wagging last month by attending a Washington party celebrating the 10th anniversary of Fox News, the cable news channel owned by Murdoch.”
Fox caters to a niche. Murdochs making millions of it. Fair and balanced is one thing. Catering to a niche is another. Fox hardly has impecable credentials. It is owned by a man who knows how to make a profit by saying things certain people want to hear. Fair and Balanced and Truth and whatnot are merely fancy words thrown around for effect.
Gotta love Americans. Money trumps everything – even ideology. Why bother with the truth or principles or morals when theres money to be made?
The above comment is illustrative of the fact that the degeneration of most of the MSM to biased leftist news “reporting” is now perceived as the objective norm by the biased left.
They are so wrapped up in their intellectual cocoon that anything different, i.e. non-biased, non-leftist, balanced reporting is therefore inherently abnormal and ‘right wing”.
And Heaven forbid that one exposes oneself to more than the leftist groupthink line from CBC News and the Toronto Star, eh? All those complicated thoughts and ideas, rather than the easily digestible pap of Bush-is-bad, America-is-bad. Also, according to the above commenter, apparently capitalism is also bad.
Re: The Australian-born media mogul Keith Rupert Murdoch
jeremiah said: “Gotta love Americans. Money trumps everything…”
Freudian slip/envy: Murdoch is from Oz; Donald “Trumps” is American-born.
Aunty-American is Canadian born. …-
“Faster please!”
This is good news in the long term. The fringe left is dragging the dems out of mainstream electoral territory. This can already be seen in the recent debate on their war strategy.
I suspect some of the near bright ones know this, but just can’t help themselves; it’s just so much fun for them to silence opposing points of view.
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Hey Dems, come on over to CBC! they got hit shows like “The One”, “Little Mosque..”, and an audience right up your alley. In fact, that audience wants the right to vote and elect the next President of the United States. It’d be in the bag, and all those nasty neo-con capitalist pigs can wallow in defeat, come Hillary’s ascension.
“More than 265,000 of us signed the petition. Hopefully, this sets a precedent for all Democrats–that ”
Canadian socialist dorks can push your buttons
Way to go Canadian socialist dorks !!!
Draw those lines clearly, and please don’t forget the obligatory crazy rant, so we can quote you in about a month.
“Imagine if every political organization created litmus tests for news organizations before agreeing to appear on their programming. Republicans would have boycotted PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, National Public Radio and The Associated Press decades ago.”
If Harper’s conservative party boycotted all the leftty Canadian media for ‘an election debate’ , they would have to go outside the country to find a non- biased source.
FOX New Channel would be the place to go!
If the democrats want to reach voters and try to influence them to change their vote, why wouldn’t they go on Fox. That is were all the conservatives go for news and opinions. Guess they just want to preach to the converted. What a missed opportunity for the democrats. The hype over this just might move some liberals to the republicans.
maz2
“Freudian slip/envy: Murdoch is from Oz; Donald “Trumps” is American-born.”
I was talking about Hillary Clinton, not Murdoch, but then again, that probably wouldnt suit you, since you re more interested in nitpicking.
Yes I know Murdoch is Australian. I ve spent more than enough time in Asia watchng the various Star Channels.
Of course the quality of his various networks varies quite dramatically and while I am indebted to Fox Sports for broadcasting EPL, they operate on considerably lower standards than their Asian (Star network) and European (Sky network) counterparts.
On a separate note, it is truly ironic that the staff of the most republican news outlet in America are on the bankroll of an Australian who supports the Democrats. Not to mention the rather interesting mix of raunch that is available on the other Fox channels that, unlike Fox News, arent catering solely to conservatives.
Just as capitalism was created by Marx as a foil to his communism, so has, Fox news been created as a foil to all the others.
It’s one of the oldest tricks in the book. Create a caricature of the enemy to more easily shoot them down.
Interestingly, whenever reporters at Fox become a little too zealous in the pursuit of truth their reports are buried.
ol hoss :
If your right, than how come in the Canada’s we have no equivalent of Fox? Indeed the last government would not allow Fox in, but Al Jezzera was just fine even if we are at war. In fact Fox made a deal to not even talk about Canadian politics to be allowed to broadcaster on cable even.
That has changed, but why has no entrepreneurs tried a new Canadian channel based on conservative reporting?
We know why, the socialists would go bug freaking crazy & this situation would look like a blister compared to an amputation in outrage by the left, if tried. Its why we have the crazy ban of 40% of “Canadian” content laws. To keep any conservative or non socialist thinking illegal if not silenced. It also makes it easier to propagate anti-American propaganda
You see our laws are not changing for freedom, but have stayed the same course of conformity to leftist insanities that have NEVER worked.
Thus this law continues the statist tradition of the left. Which caged any REAL conservative for change.
Are we that lame we have no Bill O’Riley’s or Michele Milkins? No Canadian Hanities. I think not, they would have been silenced ages ago by PC committee with the Human rights kangaroo courts as there enforcement arm, for social conformity if not intimidation of the populace.
Just my opinion
“On a separate note, it is truly ironic that the staff of the most republican news outlet in America are on the bankroll of an Australian who supports the Democrats. Not to mention the rather interesting mix of raunch that is available on the other Fox channels that, unlike Fox News, arent catering solely to conservatives.”
That’s not irony – i think many people would call it “Fair and Balanced”.
Does your observation not prove that Fox is not an exlusively “right-wing” media outlet?
Fair and Balanced? Really?
Fox News IS an exclusively “right wing” media outlet. It is also just one part of the larger Fox Network, and like each of the other parts of the Fox Networks, it caters to a very specific demographic. On one channel they show raunch targetted at a very specific set of viewers. On another they show news slanted to cater to the views of conservatives. They ve identified different target audiences.
Its not Fair and Balanced by any means. My entire point is that the motive behind the establishment of Fox NEWS runs counter to the Fair and Balanced image it tries to propogate. It was brought into existence with a very specific audience in mind and, apart from using attention grabbing lines liek fair and balanced, it slants its news according to what its viewers want. And most viewers buy the fair and balanced line while enjoying the obvious slant (which ostensibly doesnt exist since its fair and balanced, right?)
An Australian owning a republican slanted channel in the US, does not reek of fair and balanced. Its basically a money making gimmick for the Australian who isnt interested in fairness or balance. Of course, I find it hard to believe that the same conservatives who bristle at the the thought of foreigners having a say about what their country does, would liek the idea of a foreigner running a news outlet that can influence voters. Unless, of course, the outlet says exactly what they want to hear. If Murdoch was running CNN, I suspect conservatives would be competing with each other to point out his foreign origin.
Rodger Ailes compared Barack Obama to Osama Bin Laden, and FOX gives Ann Coulter airtime to defend calling John Edwards a fag. That’s just the past week or so. Oh, and then they start up a Daily show spoof, but all it does is call Democrats names. And their “news” shows constantly calls them the “democrat” party, and intentional misuse widely recognized as a slur against the “democratic” party. I can’t understand why Dems still agree to appear on FOX news at all.
Hey, it was Ted Kennedy that first called him Obama bin laden. Why no outrage re Bill Maher and his conviction that someone should assassinate Cheney. That is what the Fox guy was referring to. Just wait till the clinton attack dogs get done with him. He will be lucky to survive. I don’t think hillory will win, as by the time the election comes the american voter will have had two years of watching a female speaker getting nothing done. That will transfer to hillory, women can’t move mountains.
“Fox News IS an exclusively “right wing” media outlet.”
Exclusively, huh? Then why does Fox have liberal hosts/regulars like Ellis Henican, Alan Colmes, Chris Wallace, Greta Van Sustern, Kirsten Powers, Rich Masters, Juan Williams, Susan Estrich, Bob Beckel, Elaine Kamarck, Mort Kondrake, Bill Hemmer, Dick Morris, Laura Schwartz, Neil Gabler, etal?
There is no shortage of liberal views on the FNC. It’s obvious you have never watched the channel.
Rodger Ailes compared Barack Obama to Osama Bin Laden,…
It was a joke when he gave his acceptance speeech upon winning the RTNDF’s 2007 First Amendment Leadership Award–he even made a crack upon Fox News anchors and their blow-dried hair. Eason Jordan and CNN overlooked Saddam’s atrocities so they could keep their Baghdad bureau open. Recently, Jordan resigned from CNN for accusing American soldiers of deliberately targetting and killing journalists. And your complaining about jokes in an acceptance speech?
and FOX gives Ann Coulter airtime to defend calling John Edwards a fag.
What do you want? For her to be banned? Call for a banning of her books–like the NJ Democrat Committee did? Haul her in front of an Orwellian “Human Rights Commission”? Fine her $1000 like that guy in Quebec? Bill Maher has his own TV show and he lamented – on the air – that terrorists missed killing Vice President Cheney when he was in Afghanistan.
No one thinks Edwards is a faggot, be we do see that he is weak. He’s caved to the nutroots – twice – in the last couple of weeks. If he can’t stand up to the lunatic left…
ol hoss :
If your right, than how come in the Canada’s we have no equivalent of Fox?
Simple, because, up to now, there hasn’t been a threat to the leftist agenda. (Although there are several radio personalities who provide a caricature of conservatives)
“Exclusively, huh? Then why does Fox have liberal hosts/regulars”
For the same reason that CNN et al host conservatives. Hosting a couple of Liberals helps justify the Fair and Balanced logo. The in-house commentators and “language” generally sway towards the right.
Yes I ve had the misfortune of seeing it. Though to be absolutely honest, I cant stand any North American news outlet. CNN International is a fair bit better than the local product… but really, I wouldnt make my worst enemy suffer through the stuff that passes of as news in North America. No wonder Bush was so ill informed prior to taking office.
When I have drive-by’s come through here with profanity laden comments, posting through proxies, you better believe they’re going to be “disappeared”.
Now, grow up.
A Pew Research survey about 3(?) years ago found that one had to watch twice as much CNN to be exposed to right-leaining think tanks, as you did FOX to be exposed to a left-leaning one.
Fox News is openly pro-American. The left (and many Canadians) predictably, interprets this as “right wing”.
Kate,
I dont know if nationalism is officially considered right wing, but nationalists the world over tend to be “right wing”. The British Nationalist Party, for example, is a right wing party. The same can be said of nationalist parties in India etc.
Nationalism entails glorifying one set of people over others, otherwise there is no real point to nationalism. American nationalism is “pro-Americanism”, Canadian nationalism is “pro-Canadianism”, etc. It basically entails holding ones own system/beliefs/institutions as superior to others.
Of course, when one sets out to further nationalism or “pro-countryism”, you can bet all your money that truth is going to be amongst the first victims. These pro-countryism outlets, at best, tell convnient truths while ignoring inconvenient ones. A pro-American is more likely to ignore news that paints America in bad light, than run with it. Truth by omission, if you will.
And when the MSM brings up some of these less flattering truths, they become by default anti-American because as American networks, they are expected to behave the way Fox News does and only tell stories that further the glory of the nation. Telling a story that detracts from this sense of glory is automatically anti-countryism.
Fox News IS openly pro-American. And it IS “right wing”. One can argue that Fox News itself sees itself as a right wing channel, what with the recent launch of a “right wing Daily Show”.
And like all nationalist (and leftist) organizations, it should be taken with a pinch of salt. Both sides of the spectrum use propaganda and both should be treated accordingly. Fox News does for the right what CNN does for the left. No one is standing in the middle. That would be far too boring for the viewers, who have opinions that generally lie on one side of the spectrum or the other, and rarely are dead center.
Okay, but imagine that the CBC sponsors a debate amongst the leading candidates for the leadership of the Conservative Party the next time that job becomes open, and the moderator and questioners are all CBC reporters and the audience in the hall is basically Radio 1 listeners (but maybe not so old): how long do you think you could listen? I’m not sure I’d make it past the first lefty/tabloid sermon.
Fox caters to a niche. Murdochs making millions of it. Fair and balanced is one thing. Catering to a niche is another. Fox hardly has impecable credentials. It is owned by a man who knows how to make a profit by saying things certain people want to hear. Fair and Balanced and Truth and whatnot are merely fancy words thrown around for effect.
Gotta love Americans. Money trumps everything – even ideology. Why bother with the truth or principles or morals when theres money to be made?
Posted by: jeremiah at March 11, 2007 5:24 AM
maz2
“Freudian slip/envy: Murdoch is from Oz; Donald “Trumps” is American-born.”
I was talking about Hillary Clinton, not Murdoch, but then again, that probably wouldnt suit you, since you re more interested in nitpicking.
Yes I know Murdoch is Australian. I ve spent more than enough time in Asia watchng the various Star Channels.”
Why does watching TV in Asia prove your point?
Jere does’nt suit me either ,could you explain where you refered to Hillory please?