So I finished writing this in time to catch Steve Doocy on Fox & Friends ask a pair of Colorado farmers, whose cattle are stranded in the snow: “So has anybody out there applied for a FEMA trailer yet? Getting any $2,000 cash cards…?” to the hearty laughter of his interviewees.
Colorado obviously needs to become a “more chocolate” state.
It is a good thing that a snow like this couldn’t happen in a place like Toronto. /sarc off/
Look, I am conservative as… well let’s just say I supported Ted Morton here in Alberta! That being said it is a bit much to compare these two incidents.
If Colorado had every home covered deep in snow and no ability to get ANY food or fuel to any people, and it lasted for a month, then things might be a little more dire and a little more comparable.
Yes the New Orleans area could have been more self-reliant, they certainly could have been more appreciative of the help the recieved, but there is no comparing these two events. That is just not fair.
Good on these folks for being made of tougher stuff, but that does not in any way diminsish the heroism or sacrifice of those who endured Katrina.
Cardstonkid,
The thing that bothered me about Katrina more than anything else was that the Cities and States that were effected should have been prepared for a huricane of that scale. It seemed that everyone blamed the President when the Mayors and Governors were the ones that were really to blame.
Cardstonkid in New Orleans they were supposed to have 3 days food and couldn’t do that. They shot at rescue workers, police, looted like crazy.
The affirmative action police even joined the looting. Then the mayor gave them holidays???
Any time it snows it can take days to get out.
When winnipeg flooded we didn’t blame chretien either except for calling an election. Bush should have done that during Katrina.
NO didnt need as much help as they said they did I’m sure kate showed the picture of the hundreds of buses allowed to flood. Enough to carry 16,000 folk out of the way in 1 trip. Ruined because the lefty mayor had no brains to put the plan in action.
I rember one article saying that after 4 days the blacks had turned to cannibalism. Weird.
I have to agree with Cardstonkid. After the snow melts the houses will still be there. Sure there will be damage, but no where near the scale as in Louisiana.
Nice to hear that people actually pulled together though.
…there could be two reasons the ‘survivors’ of Katrina act differently than northern survivors…
1. Exposure and Inhalation of swamp gas
2. Lazy.
The Katrina survivors in New Orleans behaved differently than those in adjacent states.
OT. I remember Katrina for the photos of lined up “government owned” school buses too.
Abandoned by their local government employees in the rush to blame the government furthest from the problem.
I’m sure this isn’t lost on the good folks of Colorado.
huge snowfalls in colorado ARE normal so anyone there knows to prepare for it year after year for centuries.
you people are comparing apples and oranges; katrina altho predicted REMAINS AN UNUSUAL EVENT.
it is entirely typical of conserrrrrrtavists to blame the victim. most of the NOLA residents were not accustom to 10 feet of water in their living room. it is typical human nature to not act decisively and resolutely and proactively in face of uncommon events. look at all the wars that have happened. you gonna blame the refugees for not ‘getting out of the way sooner’? is that the mentality here?
meanwhile, speaking of what is normal:
1,300 laid off at Blue Mountain
TheStar.com – News – 1,300 laid off at Blue Mountain
Roberta Avery, Isabel Teotonio and Nicholas Kyonka
Blue Mountain ski resort near Collingwood today announced 1,300 layoffs, with only 400 core workers remaining. It’s the first time it has closed the slopes at this stage in the season.
In Toronto, two city-run ski hills that were supposed to open on Dec. 18 remain closed, said Don Boyle, director of community recreation, adding the city has lost about $300,000. But, he added, while there’s been lost revenue, money has been saved on expenditures.
“Given the weather forecast, we don’t see us getting the ski hills open until Jan. 14,” he said. “If it’s much later than that we would likely not open at all.”
This could be the first year that the City doesn’t open its ski hills.
Once again, Toronto is seeing record-breaking temperatures. Today’s high is expected to hit 13 C, replacing the previous record of 10.1 C set in 1997. The record, which was broken around 7 a.m., came on the heels of the
[NOTE:]warmest evening recorded in 167 years.
Until yesterday, the warmest January night in Toronto had been on Jan. 1, 1988 at 7.3 C. Last night, however, the mercury never dropped below 8C.
“Does this mean that winter is cancelled? Well no,” said David Phillips, Environment Canada’s senior climatologist. “If you look at the five-day forecast you’d see that the S word is there. We’re going to have snow next week.”
Temperatures are expected to drop to a high of about 4 C Sunday, followed by a chance of flurries Monday and Tuesday.
“Just because we haven’t had winter doesn’t mean we should raise the white flag yet,” said Phillips, adding, “maybe we’ll be counting snowflakes in May.”
deny deny deny
or simply claim its part of the normal cycle over the centuries but you still havent suggested what we DO ABOUT IT IN FACE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NOW 6 1/2 BILLION OF US ABOUT TO EXPERIENCE THE CONSEQUENCES.
but better to scoff and chortle against the ‘sky is falling’ crowd eh?
and while Ive got your attention, any word yet on where the bible pegs december 25 th as the date of Christ’s birth other than something in Isaiah?? lets see, gotta convert the Isaiah calander to the one of Roman palestine, then covert that to today’s gregorian version. whatever.
aaaaaand any word on the absent foundation of the confav royalty ??? the part about neither Adam & Eve nor the monkeys were royals so HOW can ANY descendants be royals??
any word on how induction works??? how does all that energy sneak past the insulators ??? not the mathematics of calculating voltage change vs proportion of secondary coils, Im talking about ‘what it is’ about electricity it can effect change without even being part of the same conductor. even with the photoelectric effect the friggin photons have to hit the surface but not this. in fact if you DO have electrical contact between primary and secondary the system has shorted out. so how does it work oh clever-clevers?
but all I get is a flood of sarcasm and personal insults and flippant 50 year old references to ‘meds’.
you people are just a cornucopia of information eh?
deny deny deny.
“Colorado obviously needs to become a “more chocolate” state.
Posted by: Mississauga Matt at January 5, 2007 02:55 PM ”
wee bit of the remnant racism here.
welcome to tha suthan states boy. dis heah is naghteen sixtah all ovah agins boy.
There are still Katrina “victims” camped out here in Houston whining that they are not getting free rent anymore. And guess what? homicides were up this last year too. Mmmm, coincidence, not likely. The increase was due in large part by the drug gangs of NOLA trying to stake out new turf.
Largs & Cardstonkid, yeah a hurricane is different than a blizzard but pulling up your socks and helping yourself is an attitude that could work in both situations.
1) It was the levee failure not the Cat 3 hurricane….the city survived the hurricane, then the levee broke
2) The evacuation was a problem, which was a local and state issue
3) The local police failed
4) FEMA was slower than hoped, but the disaster was bigger than expected.
Snow melts….AND dont underestimate the poverty of New Orleans and the entitlement mentality at all levels.
Adjacent states got hit a little gharder by the hurricane but didnt have to live under 4 feet of water for a month, and the problems that brings.
Colorado is better off, better serviced, better educated and better run than New Orleans or Louisiana, so I wouldnt be surprised that it would be more resiliant
I hate to admit this, but I have to agree with bollocks…no need for that kind of talk here
The “chocolate” comment is from a direct quote by New Orlean’s mayor Ray Nagin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_City_speech
Of tangential relevance, but John Donovan actually used to plan at the Pentagon for weather events such as this one. His response from a year and a bit ago (wrt Katrina in NOLA) can be read here, and further in comments to one of my posts on the subject here.
If it was racist I would agree…..however, in Bollocks defence I take his reference to Mayor Nagin’s “Chocolate City” comment..
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/01/17/nagin.city/
Anyway, that is the chariatable interpretation of the context, Bollocks is quite capable of defending himself though.
Thanks Kate, you beat me to it. But they’re right: it IS racist. Complaints to that extent can be sent directly to Nagin.
Kate, you beat me on the draw……
upon further research, I stand corrected
Speaking of weather events of biblical proportioons…we have just about had it all here in Vancouver.
And now…the entire roof of BC Place stadium has just collapsed.
No doubt the lefty land New Orleans could have been better handled by the people themselves, BUT their situation was much worse, and that was my point.
Maybe if the libs and msm stopped spewing all that hot air in Toronto, they could open the ski hills.
bollocks…that was quite a tangent…I think you were referring to ‘denial’ of climate change…??As I enjoy this green Northern Ontario January I certainly can’t deny climate change. However I’m not convinced that it is caused by humans. That is a big weather system in place.
This Colorado event, is not so unusual.
I think Katrina was a normal event too.
Each year, blizzards happen, hurricanes happen… what is unusual is, a large group of people living in a flood plain, and not expecting anything bad to happen, like a levee breaking after not having been properly upgraded to withstand a catagory 4 or 5 storm.
another normality is, blame someone else, for not protecting you from the weather.
While I applaude your tolerance with robert letters or bullocks or whatever reincarnation he is today, these rants are getting more and more obnoxious. The references to past rants such as the birthday of Christ and his electrical induction thing prove the point. He definitly is off his meds.
Yes Stephen:
“the entitlement mentality at all levels.
“Colorado is better off, better serviced, better educated and better run than New Orleans or Louisiana, so I wouldnt be surprised that it would be more resiliant.”
That is actually THE POINT OF THE POST. Good for you for getting that.
“Adjacent states got hit a little harder by the hurricane but didnt have to live under 4 feet of water for a month, and the problems that brings.”
If people don’t want to live under 4 feet of water for a month, it would help if they didn’t CHOOSE TO LIVE IN A ‘BOWL’ BELOW SEA LEVEL, then participate in any number of counterproductive activities, from heavy drug use to multiple unwed pregnancies to spending the welfare check on lottery tickets instead of saving up for a car or emergeny supplies, that make their permanent or temporary escape from said bowl less than feasible when the time comes.
People have to plan their lives a little better and think farther ahead than the end of the month (and what costume they’re gonna wear at Mardi Gras.)
The fact is: sometimes the victim IS to blame. This flies in the face of received and unexamined liberal “wisdom”. It also happens to be true.
And anyone who didn’t automatically get the “chocolate city” reference doesn’t know enough about Katrina to comment. You obviously weren’t following the story that closely to begin with — that comment was big news for a week.
“The fact is: sometimes the victim IS to blame. This flies in the face of received and unexamined liberal “wisdom”. It also happens to be true.”
You are not actually suggesting that people have a duty to mitigate their losses or take responsibility for their behavior are you?? Wow.
I know I don’t mind helping out people who need a hand. But bollocks (3:38) hit it right on the head. I do blame the victim (or atleast notice) when they do something stupid that contributes to the situation that happens. And when they whine that what help I have offered isn’t as much as they deserve… I feel less like helping them next time they need help even when they don’t create the situation leading to their victimhood.
If you want a recipe for Nagin Chocolate milk, it’s here:
youknowwhatgoeshere.youtube.com/watch?v=F_bbuc4cgJs
It’s racistly delicious!
Our company was in Louisiana just after the Hurricane and had also spent time in New Orleans on business several times and it changed my perspective. The racism and oppression is still rampant and was told that the KKK still existed. In fact the New Orleans convention center was named after a former president of the KKK. The African American also are very cautious of white people in Louisiana and for good reason because I witnessed first hand how badly they would be treated if they don’t back down. The feel to me down there is like the practice of slavery seemed to have just ended and culturally it is still a mess relative to most of the U.S. However, that being said there is a definite culture of weakness, entitlement and bitterness that keep many people in the vicious trap of poverty and powerlessness. Democrats down there love to feed that sense weakness with entitlements.
Somewhere along the line Democrats changed to definition of what was considered a “right” to the American dream which means one should have the freedom to pursue it without oppression. Instead the “right” now means an entitlement which is unearned keeping many of these people in the cycle of weakness and poverty.
I would be willing to bet the lefties from Canada reading this would have no clue what I am referring to because to them the word right and entitlement have long ago merged and now means the same thing.
over reaction
Its an air supported roof .it has deflated due to a tear.
Move along now, nothing to see here. I live a block away so my view has improved 🙂
cell phone video here
http://video.canada.com/VideoContent.aspx?&popup=1
“…the entire roof of BC Place stadium has just collapsed.”
Bruce I was going to call you on that. But I went and had a look for myself and there it was-Gone!
Yee ha. Back to open air football just like at McMahon. Time to get a brockabrella franchise.
Albertaman – New Orleans, Louisianna for that matter, have always been one of the most corrupt places in the US. New orleans is demographically a black city. It’s mayor, police chiefs, city council have had majority black representation for some time. The crime, corruption and poverty aren’t a result of people that have no political voice. They just keep making collectively stupid choices. Nagin, in spite of his gross mismanagement, was re-elected which was stupid.
When large numbers of Katrina victims were relocated at the generosity of the city of Houston, here’s the results:
In these districts, homicides were up 52 percent for the last months of 2005 over the same months in 2004, and Katrina evacuees accounted for a vastly disproportionate share of the increase. After Katrina, armed robberies in the districts were up 11 percent, after an 11 percent drop during the same months between 2003 and 2004. Assaults, flat the previous year, were up nearly 12 percent after Katrina. Weapons arrests, also flat the previous year, rose 31 percent. In crime reports, police now are directed to identify suspects by their hairstyle and accents, as those from Louisiana often wear distinctive dreadlocks and speak in a unique dialect.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_2_houston.html
I take issue with whoever told you that the KKK is a viable menace to blacks in this country at this point in time. We have enforceable civil rights laws going on 50 years now. The KKK in it’s present incarnation has been relegated to crank sites on the internet. Atlanta is a black city. It has made better choices and is prosperous.
Cal:
I have a number of less than fond memories of sitting in McMahon stadium in the middle of blizzards…brrr
I’ll take the dome any old day.
Well, except maybe this one, eh Bruce?
Taylor field would be more inviting today.
a great 0 C day here in Calgary . sun and a chinook arch. same light and temperature as a July evening.
They can now turn this into a homeless shelter for East Vancover. With free drugs , needles, bleach. BYOB. Rock & roll baby!!
I wonder who the Company dontated to Politicaly, who built this stadium?
Ok …there is really no comparison between the devastation of a hurricane/flood and a major snowfall.
Obvious!
There is a major difference in ATTITUDE between some Louisiana residents / politicians and their Colorado counterparts..when the biggest part of the Katrina story is the hype and the Bullshit that followed and the biggest part of the Colorado story is how quickly citizens got their own shit together…the comparison is one of contrasts.
On one hand an egotistic and incompetent mayor riding high on his racist horse..playing the victim card from the getgo and still today!
On the other ordinary citizens getting off their asses and cleaning up..without the whining!
Bollocks…You’re an ASS of Epic Proportion! Nay make that Biblical proportion!
” However I’m not convinced that it is caused by humans. That is a big weather system in place.”
neither do I to a big extent actually. I would guess it could be as much as 90/10 natural/human.
what concerns me is a possible cascade effect. the last straw that tips the whole thing over and we wind up with a climate like venus in 5,000 years. the 10% human contribution that drives nature to throw her hands up and go ‘thats it, to hell with them’ and literally a hell on earth. thats what concerns me.
its a big unknown but Im not willing to risk it and besides, reducing CO2 can in many ways mean we’re managing finite resources better. leqaving money for other projects and objectives.
It actually didn’t collapse but it did tear. It was a controlled deflation after the initial tear. Lights are still on inside, etc.
Gonna be replaced before the olympics anyway. They said the lifespan for those roofs was betwee 20-25 years so it looks like it made it…barely.
ah, thanks for mentioning that tex, regarding a past rant about the speed of light when the question was shoved in my face if there were *2* speeds of light. answer: yup !!
http colonslashslash science dot nasa dot gov/headlines/y2002/27mar_stoplight dot htm
and the thing about induction was dredged up yet again by your cohort st vitus. not me. I just chose to put him/her/it in his/her/its place.
ommg the ass of UNIVERSAL proportions willfully misses my point entirely.
when you deal with 10 foot snowfalls ‘in the high country’ regularly you learn to expect it and how to deal. otherwise you get things like the donner party happening.
katrina scale hurricanes and breached levees caught pretty much all of them off guard including the army corps of engineers.
you insist on focussing on the differences in reactions and responses; I pointed out how much reheasal time each group had.
It makes me sad. I have lots of great memories from BC Place. If you have never experienced a full house at either a football game or one the numerous great concerts that have taken place, it is truly one you would never forget. I hope that it will be able to be “up” and running again soon. Glad that there was no one hurt!
Kate: “The Katrina survivors in New Orleans behaved differently than those in adjacent states.”
Correct you are.
Sorry wrong post site….
Well, 1st off, it was the 9th Ward that got flooded by Katina.
Not to mention, the meanest thing the Democrats did was over 30 years develope the 9th-Ward in New Orleans; a bastion of crime and Social Services, and a major Democrat Voter Base.
We need one more Kat-6 Hurricane to flush the puppy out to sea, and after that we will use Eminent Domain and sell it to Walt Disney under the auspicious of the New Atlantis.
penny, I do not disagree with your comments my point is that the residue of the past is still fairly raw even though racist orgs. like the KKK are now barely even fringe groups. However, I found the people of Atlanta to be much more positive towards race relations than in New Orleans. In fact I found the racism in New Orleans to be shockingly overt and it has to tear at the fabric of its society making progress that much more difficult. However, this is not an excuse for the behavior of anyone as ultimatley it is up to the individual to responsible for their behavior. But the environment has to create a cauldron of pure shit for many that live there, white or black.
Anybody know anyone who parks their car out in a storm to enjoy a “blizzard bash”?
Do they sit on their front steps with the grandkids in Kansas with order-in pizza and wait for the tornado?
How about forest fire parties? (“I’ve been through plenty of these boys, going to stock up on beer and sit it out. My house ain’t burned yet”.)
Was anyone caught on tape looting during the Quebec ice storm?
Yet, in New Orleans and other southern states, when told to evacuate because a Cat 5 is bearing down…. what do they do?
They have hurricane parties.
Then, when the party is “over’, it’s Bush’s fault.
This was no tsunami. They had plenty of warning and thousands ignored it.
A point of order, Madam Speaker, if I may. At 07:37 above Mr. Bollocks writes, “the thing about induction was dredged up yet again by your cohort [Vitruvius].” That is not factually correct, Madam Speaker, as it was dredged up at 03:38 above, by Mr. Bollocks, when he wrote “any word on how induction works?” Prior to this comment you are now reading, I, Vitruvius, have not commented in this thread, and therefore I could not have dredged anything up here.
Madam Speaker, Mr. Bollocks’ preoccupation with this matter in disrespect of this house began on July 14 last, in an SDA thread titled “Land Of Sizzling Skies” — http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004288.html — where I wrote about some interesting data on lightning from the Chemical Rubber Company’s Handbook of Chemistry and Physics. In that thread, writing as “Robert J BA BSc”, Mr. Bollocks postulated that “voltage travels at the speed of light”. I, and others, explained to him his error in such reasoning, to which his response was to switch to casting aspersions.
This matter came up again, Madam Speaker, on October 4 last, in the SDA “Reader Tips” thread — http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004748.html — when Mr. Bollocks, writing this time as “T. Schmuck Esq”, wrote “St Vitus, do you still maintain that electricity does not travel at the speed of light?”, when that discussion was not relevant to the topic at hand. Again, others and I tried to explain it a little further for him, at which point he again descended into his normative tactic of casting aspersions and changing topics multiple times.
Finally, Madam Speaker, in the nudiustertian “Reader Tips” thread here at SDA — http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/005269.html — I pointed out to Mr. Bollocks that he had miscounted the number of occupants in the water tower in the introduction to Petticoat Junction, and I confirmed to Dave that Mr. Bollocks was indeed the Robert who has been responsible for mishandling the electromagnetic induction file. Mr. Bollocks’ response in this case was that he had sex with a dog for twenty-four hours, after which he re-introduced his misunderstanding of physics and posted pages of comments in which he descended into his normal tirades of aspersions, and began swearing again, in direct contravention of the rules of this house.
I apologize to this house for taking up its time on this point of order just to correct this house’s record, but I do think it’s disingenuous of Mr. Bollocks to be attempting to deny said record. Thank you for this time, Madam Speaker; in respect of this house’s rules, I will not be further engaging Mr. Bollocks on this matter.
sarge here good lord youre a nut, miss kate. this just happened a little while ago so ya can’t jest say “oh they coulda got out”. people were there, some of sarges friends were there. it’s not like we forgot what happened. the city’s evac plan sucked, and poor people don’t easily pack up and walk 20-30 miles out of town and camp in a ditch for who knows how long with no money, and only the food they could carry. when thats yer choice yer much more likely to hunker down and hope things turn out like they usually do without levies breached, people drowning in their attics ect. ya make sarge want to puke, miss kate. ya got an ugly soul. sarge wonders what yer parents did to ya to make ya such a hateful thing.
ps, the above comment on the donner party is pretty damn good. them decent white folks in dire straights went loco and murdered and ate one another in no time. its quite a sense of entitlment to shoot someone and eat ’em