From the office of Ag and Wheat Board Minister Chuck Strahl, “regarding the inclusion of the Canadian Wheat Board (CWB) under the Access to Information Act as proposed in Bill C-2, The Federal Accountability Act.”
“Canada’s New Government is seeking greater openness and accountability by bringing bodies such as CWB under the Access to Information Act. The administrative costs of the CWB now amount to almost $70 million annually, and farmers should have a way of scrutinizing those costs.
“Bringing the CWB under the Access to Information Act will not require it to release commercially sensitive information. The Access to Information Act protects information that is commercially sensitive.
“The Deputy Information Commissioner confirmed this in his testimony to a Senate Committee last week, yet the CWB demands to know the reason behind any information request.”
In the interest of fairness, I decided to check out the CWB side of this. As it turns out, Wheat Board Chairman Ken Ritter testified (pdf) before the Senate Standing Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs on Sept. 20. I didn’t get very far before something caught my eye;
The CWB has requested the opportunity to meet with the Standing Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs to discuss the Access to Information provisions of the Federal Accountablility Act and specifically, the amendment that has added our organization to the list of entities designated as “Other Government Agencies” that are subject to the Access to Information Act.
Simply stated, our position is that the CWB does not belong on this list. The reasons for this position are numerous. First of all, the CWB is no longer a government agency. In 1998, the structure of the CWB was changed so that it would be governed by an independent board where 10 of its 15 directors are elected by farmers. I have been chair of that board since its inception. The act that created the new CWB specifically states that it is neither an agent of the Crown nor a crown corporation. The CWB is accountable to the farmers of Western Canada who sell their grain through the CWB. Those farmers, not the taxparyers of Canada, pay the corporation’s operating costs. We do not possess government information nor is our information under the control of the Government of Canada.
You see, just three days ago I happened to write a post directing readers to a different document – a statement of defense by the CWB, on a case before the Federal Court (Renova Holdings Ltd. et al. v. The Canadian Wheat Board);
[3] The Defendants seek to strike out the Statement of Claim on the basis that the Board is accountable only to Parliament and that neither the Board nor the Crown owe any duty to or are accountable to the Plaintiffs as producers of wheat.
One presumes the CWB chairman is held responsible for the content of legal documents presented by the Wheat Board to the courts. One also presumes he was under some sort of obligation to be truthful when he testified before the Senate Committee.
So, Mr. Ritter, which is it? Is the Canadian Wheat Board accountable to Parliament or to farmers? Or, as some are beginning to wonder – would you prefer it be neither?
Update – I’ve been very busy today, so no updates – but as usual, there is excellent discussion in the comments, along with a number of other source links on the CWB.
Hoo boy. I think we’re going to see SDA being bandied about not only CPAC again in the near future, but also a federal court room as well.
Outstanding.
Good liars need an even better memory.
For what it’s worth, our county councillor here in northern Alberta farms and just returned from muni meetings in Winnipeg where he decided to check out CWBs head office. They stopped him at the door insisting he needed *several* signatures of permission before entering.
After a lot of fuss, waving his permit book and quoting the quotable cwb.ca quote “…farmer-controlled organization that markets wheat and barley grown by western Canadian producers” they reluctantly let him in.
You’re asking powerful questions here, Kate.
Thanks
Another home run Kate.
Whoooeee…. this is going to get good. How much info can we expect to be unearthed before a spring election. One would think the Libs will be clamouring to shoot down a confidence vote as soon as possible to limit the amount of digging this new Accountability Act will allow…. Will it be the Budget or sooner??? The longer it takes for an election the better off PMSH will be. CWB is going to be ugly, and I’m pretty sure that will just be the start….
Thanks Kate.
rd
Ritter just had his ass handed to him by a girl.
The CWB people should’ve had one of my old law profs…he always reminded the class that when making an argument:
“You can’t suck and blow at the same time”
I have to admire PMSH’s political acumen. Well done Mr. PM.
First he prepossess an elected Senate that he knows is unequal but will ensure controversy by the other side . Arguing for in effect for a balanced Senate of some sort. Nothing like your own enemy’s fighting for your side, while believing its there idea.
When it does come time to change this decrepitude patronage swamp. The debate over equality with effective powers will be a none issue.
I see the same strategy in his slowly chocking funds from the CRTC & Radical feminist clubs, & other such bodies of waste. Who like the leeches they are. Have been exposed to the light of day with there prejudices for all too see. By the very panic this caused them. These funds have gone to real programs that actually produce something, instead yet another paper empire, with professional life time porkers.
I see Harper now getting ready to sick the Auditor General on the CWB. It will be interesting to find out what’s in this graveyard.
By that time its election practices, & other socialist mechanisms will also have been exposed.
Thus making the CWB arguments mote.
By the way if so many voted for it, does that mean most farmers are closet socialists?
His attack on the trusts was a hard one. In the end though I do believe his goal of an real business class in this Country, will have been more than returned. In both Patriotic terms as well as fiscal .
I like his style. As an instrumentalist with a policy of no confrontation. Unless its principle at stake. As he did at the Francophone conference & G8 meetings. Has laid low his opponents by revealing the true monstrous character of these insects . He simply has to be honest. Something Ottawa lost the meaning of long ago. The very actors who play his antagonists in this play. Will supply there own fey woe, from there very maws.
Nothing like honesty to confound the rats always plotting, they can’t see reality from there own paranoia of the others conniving..
I would like some Questions answered about the CWB. Since I am not a farmer I have read some of these posts a bit bemused. Especially the voting apparatus that’s employed. I still don’t get it.
First question would be . If the CWB is so great with, such good monetary returns for farmers. Why in blue blazes are not the other farmers in Canada not banging down there doors for entrance? Particularly in Ontario, Quebec, & the Maritimes?
If its so wonderful why not make it mandatory For Easterners as well?
Why is not all produce subjected to there rules?
Are crops grown by farmers there property, or the CWB?
Have farmers any property rights concerning land usage or even ownership?
Has the Wheat board by having mandatory laws forced farmers into other markets or growing other products at Wheat’s expense?
Sorry to ask , but honestly I am embarrassingly that ignorant of our own agricultural practices.
holy makeral Kate you have outdone yourself this time !!!
WOOOO HAAAAAA !!!!!!
let the games begin !!! ladies and gentlemen, START YOUR ENGINES !!!!!
place yer bets, place yer bets all !!!
YEEEEE HAAAAWWWWW !!!!!
good post kate: i went to a cwb info meeting in rosetown yesterday and took a clipping of strahl’s letter in the last issue of the western producer regarding grain prices. the cwb officials were glad to see the letter and said that it was strahl’s office that was holding up the process on advancing grain initial prices and they plan to call him on it based on that letter. they also said that this government likes to use the may pro for the setting of prices which are tradtionally lower than other parts of the marketing year. he has lowered the initial price percentage from 70 to 65 which impacts producers further. low initial prices do not only affect cwb grains but all products we produce. if you can’t get enough cash to pay your bills from board grains then you head to other grains stored ( canary seed, lentils mustard, canola etc). traders sit like vultures on a post waiting for this because they know that some people simply have to sell to get some cash flow. the only reason that canary seed is 18c a pound right now is that there is enough money in the system that farmers can play the market and hold out for the higher price. the meeting was also laced with the traditional over 70 club with one guy claiming 63 years in the farming business and having sold his grain in the 1930’s for 28 cents a bushel and how we are all better off because of the board. being in hostile territory i kept my mouth shut but if he were to take inflation into account we are recieving less than that in real dollars right now.
i am no fan of the cwb . ritter ( we like to call him rotter) is turncoat and gave his support to single desk simply for the chairmans job. strahl is playing politics on his side of the fence and the producers get caught in the middle. we need solutions and not a bunch of bs from both sides. as a producer i hope for a workable solution soon.
stubby
Libs in orange coveralls!
Go Prime Minister Steve!!!
Go Kate!!
🙂
Nice one Kate!
I think you just ripped the cover off that baseball; as it sails straight out of the park.
Yep, accountable to no one except their own authority. Sounds mighty dictatorial to me, something that a Fidel Castro might dream up.
Farm girl Kate, nails a grand slam for Saskatchewan, with the dogs howling in appreciation. Woof, Woof.
Cheers!!
So Stubby, in your 9:08 posting (sans caps), are you taking a position against both the CWB and the government that is talking about dismantling it? Is there anyone at all out there that you feel is on your side?
By the way, does the nickname stubby refer to pinky fingers that can’t reach the SHIFT key?
Stubby;wheat was .28 cents a bushel,gas was .10 cents a gallon.It took $4.50 divided by .28=16 bushels. 45 gals gas=202.5 litres times .78 cents(at the CO-OP today)=$157.56 45 gals diesel 202 times .70 cents=$141.40 If wheat is $3.00,then it will take 52 bushels to buy a barrel gas and 47 to buy diesel.In order to buy a barrel of gas today with 28 bushels of wheat,wheat would have to be $157.56 divided by 28=$5.67 in your pocket!
Who let the dogs out?
Well done, Kate
After reading the first part of the post, I thought didn’t he just say las week that he was only beholden to Parliament? After finishing the article, I can only hope the fence he seems to enjoy riding on turns out to be double barbed wire. Another shining example of things to be dismantled and do a serious deep check into the books.
Here is why I think Paul!!!! and his friends
like CWB !!! they make alot of money hauling our Grain. (Canada Steam Ship Lines)
Quote from CSL
CSL and CWB
Getting the Product to Market
Like a lot of other customers in the commodities business, Dennis Portman never really gets a chance to see his company’s product before its shipped — but trusts that it’s in good hands for delivery. As Director of Seaboard Operations for the Canadian Wheat Board (CWB), Portman puts his trust in people like CSL’s Marc Girardin.
“The cargo and the ship are kind of invisible to us,” explained Portman from his office in downtown Winnipeg.
“Timing is everything and it all comes down to communication and knowing that what you need to get done gets done.
As CSL’s Director of Marketing and Customer Service (Winnipeg), Girardin oversees the movement of some 1.5 million tonnes of Prairie grain out of the Port of Thunder Bay each year. Of that total, roughly 650,000 tonnes is shipped directly for the CWB, while 850,000 is moved for milling companies that purchase CWB product.
The grain cargoes — the CWB markets and ships wheat and barley from the Canadian Prairie on behalf of some 85,000 western farmers — are delivered to ports on the lower Lakes and the St. Lawrence River mainly on board CSL’s newly acquired bulker fleet and, in some cases, company self-unloaders.
Grain that’s moved through the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence Waterway system falls under the day-to-day responsibilities of Sharon Meikle, Manager, Eastern Logistics for the CWB. She echoed Portman’s opinion of CSL’s service, adding that the recent addition of bulkers has added to the value.
“It provides us with greater flexibility,” said Meikle, whose father used to sail the Lakes with the Valley Camp lines. “Sometimes we’re just looking for a small hold to ship a certain type of grain and these ships offer that. On a regular basis we depend on five- to six-day trips to meet our customers’ needs. Marc is great at keeping us up to date on the scheduling and the availability of the vessels. That helps us a lot.”
For his part, Girardin says that the investment CSL has made in fleet renewal and acquisition has made a world of difference from the customer’s perspective.
“Customers like the CWB realize that CSL has gone out and spent a large amount of money on our ships to make the fleet the best there is — hands down. They appreciate the long-term commitment we’ve made and they know that we’re here for the long run,” said Girardin. “That’s what they count on.”
“For us, it’s all about returning profits to the bottom line of the western farmer and knowing that CSL is a strong, reliable carrier that we can depend on helps us do that,” said Portman. “They’re important to our business.”
http://www.csl.ca/new/cslworld/2002/december/en-3-customerprofile.html
I’m sure it was worth their while. Wonder if farmers, I mean CWB, paid for the improvements directly or otherwise?
Great catch, Kate. All this type of nonsense, which has been going on all along, needs to be exposed to the light and seen for what it is.
Just sit right back and you’ll hear a tale,
a tale of a fateful trip.
That started from this tropic port,
aboard this tiny ship.
The mate was a mighty sailin’ man,
the skipper brave and sure.
Five passengers set sail that day,
for a three hour tour, a three hour tour………
The weather started getting rough,
the tiny ship was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew,
the Minnow would be lost; the Minnow would be lost.
The ship took ground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle,
with Gilligan, the Skipper too,
the Millionaire, and his Wife,
the Movie Star, the Professor and Mary Ann,
here on Gilligan’s Isle.
Let’s face it, folks; the Liberals are SCARED. They will fight to their (inevitable) political deaths to ensure that the CWB, the CBC, Indian Affairs, the – fill in the blank – is NEVER paid a visit by Sheila Fraser and her team of bean counters.
I think we better build some more prisons. There will be entire cell blocks dedicated to Liberal buerocrats, former MP’s, fart catchers and turd polishers, perhaps an ex-PM or two!
Can’t wait for the inevitable circling of the wagons/ship jumping as the Justice Department starts to turn up the heat! I wonder who will be the first high profile, current or former Librano to turn “State’s evidence” to protect thier own corrupt behind.
Cue Vincent Price’s evil sounding laugh track: “HA HA HA HA HA HA HA”
Congrats, Kate, on exposing yet another shining example of made-in-Canada bureaucratic hypocrisy for what it is.
Watching the CWB and CSL in this thread is like watching an old episode of Sergeant Bilko.
At the risk of being boring…..Well done Kate!!!
Down here in Louisiana we would call Kate a Canadian Pittbull.
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Just a bit of news from that other domain of the single-desk wheat seller, Australia.
This from a Tuesday article on agnewsonline.com:
“Embattled wheat export monopoly AWB faces the loss of up to three-quarters of the export pool it needs to guarantee returns to growers after east coast handler GrainCorp submitted an application to export 230,000 tonnes next year.
Wheat Australia – a consortium of GrainCorp, the West Australian grower co-operative CBH, and the former Australian Barley Board – has also applied to export 500,000 tonnes of wheat to Iraq, while CBH has re-submitted its application to export 2 million tonnes of wheat to its own mills in Asia.
According to the Wheat Export Authority, six companies have applied to export wheat since Prime Minister John Howard transferred the veto over the applications from AWB to the federal Agriculture Minister, Peter McGauran, last week….
GrainCorp managing director Tom Keene said the company was offering $15 per tonne above AWB’s estimated pool return. CBH is offering $10 to $20 per tonne above it…..
Mr Keene said GrainCorp could offer the higher price “because our costs of marketing services are a lot lower than AWB’s. We have also transparently informed the marketplace of what our costs are, which is 1.75 per cent, and we don’t have the overhang of that fixed fee that AWB enjoys”….
A 2003 Senate inquiry found there were 77 uncontested services in handling, storage and transport at issue between AWBL and AWBI, with profit margin built into each. The Kronos Report estimates freeing up the farm gate to port chain would save growers $100 million.”
Note the statement from GrainCorp: it is able to offer a higher price to growers because its costs are lower than monopoly AWB’s. Legally-sanctioned monopolies always have higher costs because the element of competition is absent, a point backed up by Australia’s Senate. Same goes for the CWB. Nonetheless, the MSM and Mr. Ritter are noticeably silent on the happenings down under. For all they are letting Canadians know, Australia might as well be on another planet.
Thanks, Kate, for continuing to clue in Canadians on what is happening with this issue. Keep up the good work!
Dennis:
Probably another good reason why PMSH invited the Austrailian PM John Howard to Canada recently.
WOW! Another well done Kate. Makes you wonder what the MSM are doing other than exchanging interviews in the bar doesn’t it
Keep it up girl, we all are in your debt.
I used to farm in the 80’s before I joined the Navy. My brother still farms the homestead and since he is close to the US border he would like some sort of dual marketing system. He has also cut down the amount of wheat he grows. My father-in-law farms in north west Manitoba and is a firm supporter of the wheat board. He has told me that he would never vote conservative again if they got rid of the wheat board. It is a touchy subject and I don’t bring it up with him.
During the last CWB election what was the percentage of permit holders that voted? As a columist for the Regina Leader-Post said (paraphasing here) “Of Prairies farmers 60% are ambivilant about the board 25% are passionate for it and 15% are passionate against it”
My mother who is 76 still has a permit book and I suspect that there is a fair percentage who are in that age group and are the passionate ones towards the Board.
Great work Kate!!!
OT…Does anyone know when we can expect the results of the 30 some odd RCMP criminal investigations of the Liberal Party? It would be great if they dribbled out over the next few months!
60% ambivalent; 25% passionate for it; and 15% passionate against it – sounds like fairly typical Canadian politics. Maybe a little skewed toward passionate.
The Canada Wheat Board, like the myriad other Crown Corporations, is, in fact, accountable to no one, and that’s just the way they like it. Moody’s, the big US bond rater, did a study a year or so back of what they euphemistically call GRE’s, or government-related entities. Not surprisingly, Canada has more of these useless appendages than any other developed country, including Sweden, where they are actively getting rid of them. I surmise that the real reason we have so many of these – with the CWB being only one of the more egregiously useless ones (See also AECL, BDBC, CMHC, dozens of aggie marketing boards in Quebec and Ontario, etc, etc) – is that they provide convenient sinecures for the fart-catchers and bagmen of the government of the day. They can’t all be appointed to the Senate, y’know.
Hate to burst your bubble, boys, but the Auditor General has already had a look at CWB’s books back a couple years ago. I’m sure someone who knows the government website could find it. I don’t think they looked at the commercial transactions of the pools, just the day to day stuff, which you all seem to think to contains a smoking gun.
Perhaps alittle investigation will turn up a copy of the results.
Another great expose of the Nanny State’s useless appendages. However, it is really sad to see those farmers that give their power away to this Stalinist body.I realize it is mostly out of fear just like those that protested the closing of their factories when the Soviet Union collapsed. But what is more sinister here is the element of jealousy by some of those that support the CWB. This jealousy expresses itself by keeping those that do not support the CWB in bondage and denying them their freedom.
Throughout history the right thing is rarely supported by the majority at first. In this case the Conservatives should persevere regardless what the majority says simply because it is the right thing to do.
I love farmers but sometimes they can be their own worst enemy.
So what’s your point, Lorne? Why are the Liberals acting like vampires facing a crucifix vis a vis opening the CWB’s books? Not the petty cash vouchers of your alleged “day to day” stuff, but let’s look at dinner receipts ($200 pizzas maybe???) travel expenses / “meetings” at tropical “wheat growing trading countries” perhaps???, untendered contracts to friends of the board members I wonder???. Remember how the RCMP got cash for the musical ride from completely unrelated government departments? THAT’S what we’re talking about. Most of us could give a rat’s ass if the CWB buys it’s Post-It Notes from Staples or Office Depot, let’s look at the big cancelled cheques, especially the portion which says “pay to the order of” instead, hmmm?
The socialists are marching, by the “hundreds”, as CP, aka Liberal Party MSM, puts it, for social justice, equality, marketing boards, quotas, central planning, etc,… and my cheque $$$$$$.
Who will make the call first for another Winnipeg General Strike (1919): Taliban Jack/NDP or Taliban Stephane/Socialist? Where’s Reg Alcock?
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Prairie farmers rally in Winnipeg in support of Canadian Wheat Board
WINNIPEG (CP) – Hundreds of Prairie farmers gathered in Winnipeg Thursday to protest against Ottawa’s plan to end the Canadian Wheat Board’s grain marketing monopoly.
Holding placards that read “Hands Off Our Wheat Board” and “Multinationals No – Single Desk CWB Yes”, farmers such as Marv Gerbrant said they like the board and have depended on it for years.
“It is at least one thing that is stable in a profession that has a lot of instability to it,” said Gerbrant, 54, who farms near Morris, Man…
Eskimo
Easy does it, you sound like you are ready to burst. All I am saying is the AG has had a look at the books before, but likely wouldn’t pass judgement on sales data.
You sound alittle paranoid. Do you sleep with the light on?
I have a couple of questions for the people out there that are more up to date on this than me. For starters, why isn’t hauling grain by sea put out to tender? I’ll venture to say that there are Russian ships or others that can do the same job for a lot less. Secondly, why are all these old dudes holding permit books when its pretty obvious that their farming days are behind them? Eliminate that useless item and let the young farmers who are actually doing the work make the decision.
Ocean freight is like the trucking indusrtry only it usually is negotiated on a per trip basis. So you could have six shipments in the next month and all are with seperate steamship lines.
A permit book is required to sell any grain via the CWB. If you rent your land to another farmer and get paid a share of the crop, you are required to have a permit book to get paid upon delivery.
The permit book number is also used by other government programs in order have farm plates on your vehicles and a number to buy fuel tax free, etc.
Lorne,
I have nothing to be paranoid about, I’m not a member of the former government, nor an apologist for them. A quick glance at the books does not qualify as an audit. Given the CWB’s apparant lack of accountability to no one but themselves, I think that alone justifies the proverbial fine tooth comb.
Thanks Redneck: It still seems ridiculous that if you’re retired but rent your farm out, you can retain a permit book and use purple gas (probably in your Caddy ’cause you don’t need a truck anymore). If you’re not using it you’re losing it. Let’s get a majority and make some much needed changes!
Lorne, on the audit:
http://lynda. farmersforjustice .com/special-audit.htm
“….First we must establish the legal status of the CWB. It has moved from an enterprise crown corporation to a shared governance corporation in an attempt to make the board more open and accountable. Unfortunately, despite the change of name and what it infers, there is no concrete evidence that the corporation has changed its status in any significant way. It is not considered a crown corporation within the meaning of the FAA, but is still owned or controlled by the government and ultimately accountable to parliament through a Minister of the Crown for the conduct of its affairs….
… The board is still exempt from Part X of the Financial Administration Act (FAA) ….
There are three types of audits used on crown corporations; …The one done on the CWB was a special examination audit. Please note that a special examination is an audit of Management Systems and Practices, not an audit of financial statements.
****In carrying out the special examination it is significant to also note that the examiner is required to rely, to an extent considered practicable, on the internal audit done by the CWB’s own accountants.****
… The audit did not examine or comment on the mandate and role of the CWB, in particular its role as a monopoly, single desk seller of wheat and barley, including:
-the objects or purposes of the Corporation or restrictions on the businesses or activities it may carry out
-the objectives of the Corporation, and
any policy decisions of the government that relate to the CWB
…Unfortunately, this was a one-time audit and while we are aware (because of the report), of the areas that need to be changed or improved, there is no guarantee that the CWB will follow through with the recommendations….”
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Now that Bill C-2, the Federal Accountability Act has been passed, closer scrutiny is certain to follow.
I would note that Pat Martin, NDP MP from Winnipeg Center, made the required ammendment of Bill C-2 in committee, to bring back the clause allowing for Access to Information of the CWB, when the Liberal Senate tried to dump it out.
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More on the Audit of 2002 ….It found deficiencies in the CWB management, and if I am being selective, it is because others can show cause for keeping the stautus quo if they believe it is working in all farmers’ favor.
Those farmers expressing concern, about getting the best price for their product, have found a voice in the Auditor’s findings.
But they had, unless the new Bill C-2 allows for total free rein in audits, no way to prove anything is being done to improve that finding by the CWB directors.
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From The Auditor’s report:
http://www. oag-bvg. gc.ca/domino/other.nsf/html/cwbpc_e.html
“However, we have identified some significant deficiencies in strategic management.
First of all, the Board of Directors needs to focus on its most important role — that is, providing the organization with long-range strategic direction. Rather than becoming involved in day-to-day management issues, the Board needs to focus on the “big picture”, especially challenges facing the CWB such as the changing domestic and global economies and changing markets for wheat and barley. Failure to anticipate and plan for potential risks could jeopardize the CWB’s ability to operate effectively for the benefit of future generations of grain farmers.
Specifically, the CWB needs to complete its five-year strategic plan and integrate the plan into its day-to-day operations.
Another important deficiency concerns the role of the Board of Directors in corporate oversight, ensuring that the organization meets established objectives. To enable the Board to fulfil its oversight responsibilities, the CWB needs to develop a comprehensive set of performance measures that emphasizes desired results and outcomes.
Information technology is another weakness in strategic management. The CWB’s information technology management systems and practices have not reached the level of maturity needed in an organization that depends on technology for the continuing success of its operations. Management must complete the actions it has already begun to correct this.”
Nice catch Kate – and you did not have to buy a permit from the Fish and Wildlife outfit!! You are a fantastic journalist – you are The News in Canada.
Canola I read that post you wrote about CSL, do you think that the reason the Western Canadian farmers were not allowed to ship their grain west to Prince Rupert and Vancouver might have something to do with CSL? Hummmm? There is more vermin under the WB rug. Flushing them out – flee by flee. Makes me laugh with glee!! And my Dad too who is laughing with us from his new home with God (who is just). My Dad hated the WB . He would have been over the moon to see your post, Kate.
Home run – over the fence GOOD. Thank-you Kate. Now lets get cracking those books so the WB can pay back all the farmers they have robbed.
Chains for the bad board boys – the farmers will settle for nothing less – what is good for the goose is good for the gander. I hope to be on the sidelines with a basket of rotten eggs.
Eskimo
I have no problem with AG doing a fine tooth comb review. I will however, wait for the results rather than speculating about $200 pizza or untendered contracts.
Lorne please stop the liberano spew. Im tired of it and I can imagine so is everyone else. Do you own shares in CSL? Or maybe a boyfriend that is at CWB? Or do you fear having to do time with your pals when all the other liberanos get locked up?
FREE
Sorry just a farmer from west central Sask that is connected no party. But, I do know many of the CWB executives from when I obtained my ag degree.
By the way I was also on the executive of the young PC’s with Brad Wall and Ken Cheveldayoff at that time. So don’t think everyone that disagrees with your narrow uninformed view of the world is from the left.
You are entitled to your opinion but if you spew conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory you sound delusional and paranoid. This tact adds nothing to the debate.
Do you have a large farm Lorne?
Depends on what you call large. We seed 7,000 acres.
I love it. I ask a question or 2 and Im spewing conspiracy theories. When a liberano does it?????
and lorne spewing that others views are narrow and uninformed makes you sound sVERY much like a liberano.
twit