Breaking news from Caldedonia Residents:
“We have confirmed through Ontario Senior Negotiator at Caledonia that 267 acres of land is being transferred to the Natives as payment to get them to take down the barricades. The future of this land is to be transferred to Six Nations at year end.”
And the lesson in all of this is…
more @ Caledonia Wakeup Call
crossposted @ Celestial Junk
Warning: I thought I should mention, just to keep things on a level, that at this point the above information is not confirmed, even though it seems par for the course.
Thanks for posting this. McGuinty should be impeached. Peterson fired. The natives should be tried for criminal action. No taxpayer money should be handed over.
Good God, this is appalling. I can’t decide whether to bemoan the lawlessness in this country or to jump on the bandwagon, make my own band of thugs, and get me some taxpayer-funded bribes.
This has to be perhaps the most dismal news to come out for a long time – and we probably haven’t heard the total package yet.
How can any government in Canada possibly be a party to all of what seems to have happened here. It has gone to such extremes that the federal goverment simply cannot sit by, shrug their collective shoulders, and let this go by.
The minorities in Canada seem to have sewed things up so badly in Ontario (and consequently for the rest of us federally) that viololence, arson, intimidation of all sorts, & mayhem in general is the way to go. This is truly a dismal message to be sending out to those who want not only to change our society but take it over completely.
And the feds are excluding the natives from accountability. Correct this now, force an election and lets get our country back. If this doesn’t get the collective silent majority off of its voting backside – I can’t imagine what will. An election is peanuts compared to the fallout of all of this.
Really – the provinces have little choice but to insulate themselves with legistlation and then have the guts to see that we all don’t go the way its seems Ontario is being allowed to go.
And we are supposed to be celebrating Canada day very shortly. I don’t think so.
Disgusting. Ontario must have an election now so the people can decide if they want to be hostages to violence or free.
Maybe most of us Canadians are looking at this all wrong…I’m starting to think Quebec,western Canada,the maritimes,etc could all learn to get along just fine…it’s time to demand Ontario separate!
Please read the “Warning” I tagged onto the post.
Alas, the inevitable has come to pass. Surely, this could be seen by conservatives. It was foreseen, of course.
Any inevitableness of this is inherent in the socialism/fascism of the McGuinty regime, the apostles of which are Peterson/Rae, et al. When Peterson was named the conclusion/end was a fait accompli.
Bribery of a criminal magnitude is a tool of socialism/fascism. …-
“All the same, there is a difference in emphasis and in strategy between fascism and Communism here. When faced with existing institutions that threaten the power of the state—be they corporations, churches, the family, tradition—the Communist impulse is by and large to abolish them, while the fascist impulse is by and large to absorb them.
Power structures external to the state are potential rivals to the state’s own power, and so states always have some reason to seek their abolition; Communism gives that tendency full rein. But power structures external to the state are also potential allies of the state, particularly if they serve to encourage habits of subordination and regimentation in the populace, and so the potential always exists for a mutually beneficial partnership; herein lies the fascist strategy.” …
Liberalism vs. Fascism
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | November 25, 2005 | Roderick T. Long
One more reason why Sandra Pupatello and not Dalton McGuinty should run Ontario…
And where’s your military? And sense of soverignity?
All of you are waxing eloquently on the demise of this country, heading straight to hell in a hand basket.
RELAX the fact of the matter is First Nations will always occupy this continent. Treaties were signed and they will never ever go away. So that means that you will never ever pay off the debt owed to First Nations. If this country/government unilaterally declares that the Treaties are extinguished than all the land reverts back to the First Nations.
What would all of you prefer living with Treaties or without. Does living with treaties that are honoured by the governments mean that there will be understanding and tolerance in this land between the First Nations and non-aboriginals?
IF this turns out to be true, and it certainly could given Ontario’s recent behaviour, then I will be inclined to suspect enemy action. Kickbacks to the Liberal party, palms greased somewhere, suitcases full of cash changing hands, that kind of thing would not be out of question given the above.
Its been proven at the Federal level in the Liberal Party, why should we expect Dalton’s Doofi at the provincial level to be any different?
Shouls a big new casino break ground shortly after the handover, then we will know for sure.
Possibly if the RCMP started pounding all the grow-ops and gun/smokes smugglers in Ontario really, REALLY hard, this little problem in Ontario would kind of dry up and blow away all on its own, as if by magic.
“So that means that you will never ever pay off the debt owed to First Nations.”
Just let me know where to send the cheques and who they should be written out to. Forever.
(Assuming the report is true…) This is sad. This is not good for any of the putative parties involved. And it’s all because of a simple gang, that actually represented none of the putative parties. This puppy’s goin’ to the courts. It will be interesting to see how the jurisprudence plays out. Still, it’s sad. What a senseless waste of human potential.
Just let me know where to send the cheques and who they should be written out to. Forever
The federal crown writes out the cheques to the Bands. The money comes from the wealth generated from the resources of this country. You will argue it comes from the taxes you pay out of your righteous pockets. I’m First Nation I pay taxes every day, I find it disgusting that I have to partially pay for what is rightfully mine.
Welcome to the club. We all find it disgusting that we have to pay taxes for what is rightfully ours.
LOL Vitruvius finally someone with a sense of humour
(Wait a minute, the stage director has just informed me that this is where I say:)
Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen.
I’ll be here all week.
Don’t forget to tip the waitress on your way out.
And as always, thanks to our lovely host, Mr. Ezra Levant.
sooo -Beardy….. do you believe the first nations should be included in the accountabliity act?
Just a simple yes or no – I really do want to understand if there are first nations people out there who are o.k. with this.
Natives do NOT own Canada. This is a bogus and dangerous claim. Let me know who to write a FINAL cheque out to.
It’s time that Native Canadians took full responsibility and accountability for their communities and stopped holding the rest of us hostage. This whole “parallel” government nonsense is a fool’s game: Why don’t the Natives sue the French and English governments for “allowing” French and English explorers from landing on Canada’s shores?
Enough, already. And useful fools like McGuilty and Panderson? Enough, already, of them, too.
Correction to above post: “…for allowing French and English explorers TO LAND on Canada’s shores?”
One more reason to move out of this hellhole and into the land of the free.
Appeasement process moves forward in Ontario.
We REALLY need to get rid of this Indian horse shit.
On Canada, one people … or else!
Whats with you Kate,you seem to have an over consuming hatred or dislike of anything native.Do you read history ,the fight between settlers and natives has been going on since the first whiteman stepped foot on these shore.And then went on to covet everthing their eyes could see.Dispite the fact there where peoples and Nations all ready occuping the land.
The solution is to recognize First nations as equals and as co-founders of Canada.Situations such as Caladonia are last ditch efforts born of desperation.First Nations peoples have used the courts,the laws,infact every peacable means at their disposale to deal with this injustice.But unfortuantly there seems to be double standrad in the laws.Then there is the stall and delay practice(very common within treaty “settlement” process) which has pushed many First Nations to the wall of despair and desperation..
The people of Caladonia might be suffering a few inconvienances,but it pales in comparisions to the suffering of FN year after year after decade after decade.
Perhaps you should reasd a very important book entitled”The American Empire and the Fourth world”by Anthony Hall,don’t let the title throw you this book is chalked full of intresting history that does an excellent job of examining our history as a country and between settlers and FN peoples.That is if you are intrested in truly understanding whats going on within the FN community and how they are thinking.But judging from your post and the slant of your blog I would wager your mind is made up on this issue,but I could be wrong,and for reasons I don’t understand I hope I am wrong,I guess maybe Its my belief in the inherent goodness of humankind.The idea that truth will reform,will cause those in error to begin to take a second look…
So before you start saying silly things like the Natives are getting everything and the whites are taking it up the @#*@,at least know of what you are talking about.
Your violin is off key, Dirk, there is no Kate in this conversation.
Before the accountability act was a buzz word for Harper’s conservatives, First Natins were already developing a schedule of legislation for matters of accountability with the liberal government. The seminal difference would be that the onus would be on the First Nations to enforce the legislation and not the federal crown like the way the Harper government has designed their accountability act.
First Nations did possess accountability measures within our own form of governance, but as always no one in government wants to let this form of accountability to be realized.
By allowing First Nations people to take ownership of thier own matters will allow our communities to be accountable to ourselves and that is the only form of accountability that will work.
Oh boy. Did I just get confused. Sorry, it’s me that’s got the site mixed up. Me culpa, me culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Cree- everytime the FN people get a chance to do what they want, it is filled with corruption and crime. Look at the headlines over the last few years. What is the solution? Kick all the white people out? How long would FN people last? Honestly, things would go down hill pretty quick.
White people commit crime in federal and provincial governments (Guite, Spudco,)every month some more new breaks about another scandal. Does that mean to you that “things would go down hill pretty quick” NO you accept it but move on and make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Whenever this issue comes up for First Nations people it means we should never ever get control over our form of govt because of corruption. But the federal and provincial govt have both squandered more tax-payer wealth than all the First Nation communities combined. They are more corrupt than the First Nations people have ever been. So the feds and prov have no right to govern too huh?
Sorry, Beardy Cree, you’re wrong. The “solution” is not “to take ownership of [FN’s] own matters [which] will allow our communities to be accountable to ourselves and that is the only form of accountability that will work.”
First Nations people happen to live in close proximity to other Canadians, so what works for FN folks may not work for others. We see a perfect example of this in Caledonia. You cannot have two different sets of rules and laws for different groups within the same country.
Your solution is unworkable.
Guite – Liberal
Spudco – NDP
I agree, should never govern again.
What is the solution? Two seperate governments will never work, even if we all wanted it to. Do we split the country in half? Do we write one last cheque?
One last cheque and then NO MORE COMPLAINTS.
They elected liberals, let the bastards suffer, the chickens will be coming home to roost. Heads up Campbell, don’t make the same dumb move.
Joseph in America: Don’t you know our military is in Afghanistan in the middle of a civil war involving thirty factions (tribes) and our sovereignty is presently ‘hostage’ to the Bush admin’s imperialistic agenda.
IT’s OIL THAT IS….
Given that the Liberals have a majority of 70 out of 103 seats in the Provincial Parliament, it would seem that the people of Ontario are stuck with this wretched Premier and his party’s government and their malfeasance and misfeasance of office.
I have some American questions I hope some of my Canadian friends here can answer:
Given this seemingly gross dereliction of duty by McGuinty, what are the immediate political options of the Ontario electorate? Are they stuck with this man and his party in power until the next election?
When will that be?
Political options aside, are there other legal options available to Caledonians and/or Ontarians?
Can citizens bring criminal complaints against him and the Attorney General and the OPP Commissioner for gross dereliction of duty and refusal to enforce lawful court orders? Can citizens of Caledonia sue McGuinty et. al. for damages? (including reduced values of their property due to McGuinty et. al. not performing their lawful duties; negligent infliction of emotional distress; and damages to property incurred due to the OPP’s gross dereliction of duty to protect citizens and property; etc.)
Dirk: Your logic holds out. Equality of all peoples. Though violence can NEVER BE CONDONED, rights delayed and denied do drive communities to acts of desperation. Seems its a world-wide phenomenon at present.
All local and international disputes are ‘territorial’ at base. Fact is, communities need defined home bases. In other words, a piece of land on which to park their arses. I will carefully read the text you have cited as others should. Yes, what is lapsing in all territorial disputes is historical knowledge and perspective which should be examined prior to arriving and decisions on disputes and signed, sealed deals to which all parties finally agree.
Beardy’s Injun said:
First Natins were already developing a schedule of legislation for matters of accountability with the liberal government
Wot rot! Well man you got the bureaucratese down pat! That sentence is utterly devoid of meaning.
And when you say “First Nations” and “liberal government” you really mean corrupt Indian chiefs doing deals with corrupt Libranos — a vicious circle of graft and vote-buying. What is the figure: is it now up to about $100,000 per Indian family up in smoke. Surely you guys have been paid off in multiples already, I’d say, and you’ve squandered it due to criminal and criminally incompetent governance.
I’ll take you serious when you develop a leader who asks that Indians be taken out of the ruinous welfare trap perhaps involving some kind of final financial settlement. But as you openly and aggressively suggest, you’ll never be paid off, eh?
The biggest shame of McGuinty’s lack of leadership, apart from driving a huge wedge between native and non-native Canadians, will be that many more Caledonia’s will unfortunately unfold soon across Canada.
If true (and I have no reason not to believe it) then Canadians have a F of a lot to worry about. By giving in to spoilt brats, the government has given the FN all the reason it needs to take the law into it’s own hands with out fear of any repercussions.
Time to abolish the Indian Act and treat all Canadians as Canadians, period. It is also time to realize that the sins (if any) of our forefather’s are just that… not our fault. Deal with it.
BTW: I just love how some people are so quick to take Kate to task (“Whats with you Kate,you seem to have an over consuming hatred or dislike of anything native”) but can’t even read the submitter’s name. Talk about your preconceived ideas.
Beardy’s Cree: Funny thing, I work with many FN people on their reserves, and the one complaint they have more than any other is corruption in FN government. It’s not housing, land claims, or even racism… it is the South American style corruption that is part of many reserves. Beardy’s Reserve being one of them.
This is the’approved’liberal method of handling’situations’.
First,deny there is a problem.
Second,when that stops working,make it appear you are taking action.
Next,when people demand you do something,take stock in possible votes lost/gained by doing something,then repeat step two.
When the problem refuses to go away,ignore it some more,it just might work this time(don’t forget you have the press to cover your ass)
Finally,when all attempts to ignore the problem have failed,lie,bribe,coverup,whatever it takes to make the problem’go away’,remembering your votes lost/gained calculations.And,don’t worry,the MSM has your back.
…Vitruvius said:”Your violin is off key, Dirk, there is no Kate in this conversation”.
Dirk:its her blog no or did I get that wrong,and Kate does seem to post many times concerning FN peoples,mostly if not always very negative.
…Debris Trail said,”Beardy’s Cree: Funny thing, I work with many FN people on their reserves, and the one complaint they have more than any other is corruption in FN government. It’s not housing, land claims, or even racism… it is the South American style corruption that is part of many reserves. Beardy’s Reserve being one of them.”
Dirk:dont you guy get it,can you read and actually ubderstand what is being said,FN communities are all to aware of corruption nepotism etc,a direct consequences of the “Indian Act” and the Band Council system.Both of which were forced on to FN communities,who had their own form of goverance.FN people have called the BC system and the corruption to task many many times.The day has come to let FN peoples decide their own form of goverance,based own their own traditions culture etc…a right of all peoples to live as they see fit,unless your native living in Canada.Pure and simple get it ?????Canada is a nation founded by multipule nations FN being a part.They ask for nothing but their right to live as themselves governed by themselves within Canada.Recognized as partners,fellow founders of Canada.FN nations were direct participant’s in the creation of this Country,they helped defend it agaist American aggression,in fact played the desisive role in the war of 1812.
Like the saying goes theres are always other sides to a story,at least do your homework before you make silly statements devoid of reality or fact,based on ego and misconception.
Will the land have improvements on it, or blgs etc. If so, that should all be demolished, and turned over to the Taliban in Mocassins in a pure state. No financial aid from the Fed Govt, and all income from the Feds stopped NOW. Lets see what these terrorists can do with it without our tax money. Time for all Prov governments,(ont excluded)to issue a message. Such tactics will not be tolerated in our Prov. You will be jailed, and the NWC will be used re the Indian Act. Ont will soon be nothing but a province of gays, refugees and terrorists. Stay away. Those in Ont that voted liberal, both federally and provincially, just because of some social issues, better wake up. Is allowing ssm worth all the cost of giving in to the natives. To make matters worse, the food police are now going after your god=Starbucks.
One law for some and another law for the rest.
Odd that the FN would be ok with any double standard, isn’t it?
How could one trust that any dealings, within the business communities, would be based on anything more/less from this point on?
So, what else do we have here?
A provincial government has made agreements/arrangements **before** the judge in this case has seen all parties to the blockading episode in his court…June 29th, I believe…
This ought to be quite telling!
“White people commit crime in federal and provincial governments (Guite, Spudco,)every month some more new breaks about another scandal. Does that mean to you that “things would go down hill pretty quick” NO you accept it but move on and make sure it doesn’t happen again.”
Your absoluteyl right. White people DO commit crimes. But the difference is that the indian leaders are on a continuous crime spreed. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year.
As an indian, Beardy I’ll bet you are sure proud of the fact that most of the indians in this country live in squalor DESPITE the fact that so much money and effort has been put forward to try and make it better. Its almost like the indians are saying, we like like living in this cesspool so leave us be. We refuse to become civilized.
Doesn’t sound to bright to me.
Horny Toad
beardy’s cree – you know perfectly well that the natives in N. America didn’t OWN the land; that would be a sacriligious act. Human beings only had the right, from Nature, to USE the land. That’s all. No ownership.
So, don’t whine about paying taxes for ‘your land’. It isn’t and never was, ‘yours-to-own’. But only ‘yours-to-use’. That also meant that others could use the land as well.
Debris Trail is right; the major problems are focused around the nepotism of band corruption. No, the answer isn’t to go back to the way it was before the Evil White Man came and set up his admittedly disastrous Indian Act and Reserves and Band Councils. You can’t go backwards in time. You have to live in the modern industrial world, and a political mode that was OK back in a hunting/gathering economy isn’t suitable now. It won’t work.
I think the Indian Act should be scrapped; Reserves should be scrapped – they are disastrous, uneconomic sinkholes of despair; and, the reality is that the indigeneous peoples should assimilate with the rest of the population.
Sure, remember your heritage – just as someone in another country, let’s say, England, remembers their history of 1,000 years ago, and yet, acknowledges that they don’t live on a feudal manor as a peasant or lord anymore.
But, don’t attempt to live, in the modern world, as if it was 500 years ago. It isn’t.
Whats the point,I tried to show a few peoples ideas of whats going on in Indian country are based on error.So i will leave you with one last thought:The Indian act is responsaible for the Band Council System the chiefs are beholding to the Indian Act so in fact are government agents supported and funded.
corruptionand nepostism are well knowen within the native community,FN peoples see the Indian Act and the band Council system as the problem ,the cause of the problem.Both of the above are creations of and supported by the government ,not FN peoples.Do you get it now…..
Wow!
The second you show weakness you’re done. It’s the same for terrorists as it is for the Natives who stormed Caledonia….
This will not be the last incident.
Dirk & Beardy’s Cree: You’ve come to the wrong site to peddle your story of woe. As you will note, most of us don’t care.
The natives at Caledonia are a bunch of lawless thugs who have now escalated their criminal behavior from pushing and shoving to extortion. I have not one iota of sympathy for a group of First Nation individuals who legally gave up their land many years ago and now want it back.
Is that not a classic case of “INDIAN GIVING”!
I for one am tired of paying for aboriginals who do nothing but hold Canadians hostage via their extreme dependence on government handouts. The Dept of Indian Affairs budget for 2006 is 2.3 billion which goes directly to First Nations peoples. Plus, Aboriginals have full use of all Canadian infrastructure and services not on reserve land….and without having to pay one penny of taxes for this usage. Talk about a free ride!
It is time for Canadians to end their indenture to Aboriginals and give them the right to self-govern. And that means no safety net from the Canadian taxpayer. It is time Aboriginals learn to sink or swim, just like the rest of us do.
There are no other Aboriginal peoples in any other country treated as well as Canadian Aboriginals are.
Coune me in on that fianl cheque!
here here!
Has it occured to anyone else that the Province is proceeding so gingerly because the Indians may have a point?
ET, recommended reading: Richardson, Boyce, People of Terra Nullius – Betrayal and Rebirth in Aboriginal Canada, (Vancouver/Toronto, 1993)
After my earned error earlier today I’m still timid to comment, but I will say this: treating those of the Indian race differently from anyone else is racist, and I don’t think that’s a good idea.