Breaking news from Caldedonia Residents:
“We have confirmed through Ontario Senior Negotiator at Caledonia that 267 acres of land is being transferred to the Natives as payment to get them to take down the barricades. The future of this land is to be transferred to Six Nations at year end.”
And the lesson in all of this is…
more @ Caledonia Wakeup Call
crossposted @ Celestial Junk
Warning: I thought I should mention, just to keep things on a level, that at this point the above information is not confirmed, even though it seems par for the course.
In an effort to try to better understand the situation and grievances thereof, I’ve been reading up on the original proclamations and treaties and how they’ve been interpreted by law over the years, and while admittedly in its infancy, my impression is that no one knows what’s going on, and that resolution satisfactory to both sides is impossible without approaching the problem with a clean slate. Beyond that, I don’t feel I’m in a position to comment.
What cannot be questioned by any of sound mind, however, is that the lawlessness perpetrated around Caledonia, perpetuated by our elected representatives and sworn defenders, is not only totally unacceptable, but directly contrary to what we stand up for as free and indepedent people. So I must beg the question, originally posed by Dave around 7pm, where do we go from here? How do we, the people, legally take back our power from an administration that refuses to represent and protect us? That’s what I’m off to research now, but in my brief time exploring the blogosphere I’ve been astounded by how well-read and lucid many posters are, so I’d like to hear what you guys know/think.
I don’t consider myself to be a revolutionary, but nor will I be a voiceless, powerless slave made impotent by bureaucracy. These people are supposed to represent and protect us, and that’s why we allow taxation — to benefit us, not to exploit and subject us to extortion.
Final cheque sounds very good to me!
P.S. After the FN owned–used–it, my Irish forbears owned–also used–the downtown Toronto land on which my modest house and a huge swath of downtown Toronto now stand. Would there be any way I could reverse things and get back my family’s land? (It would make me very rich, though I guess the bounty would need to be shared with a multitude of other descendents.)
Why is it that the FN, unlike any other ethnic group in Canada, have been given the fantastical “right” of being able to live in the past–paid for by everyone else in the country? Even if the FN did it [lived in the past] very well–which the paternalism of this unrealistic dispensation insures they won’t (and don’t)–the gross inequity of it would still be a travesty.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that too many Canadians–and certainly most of our governments– are resigned to travesty. (It’s enough to make a grown person cry.)
Oops. Sorry to double-post, but I meant to respond to one of Dave’s questions:
If we leave the fate of the government in the hands of the bureaucracy, it’ll be next fall before these criminals are thrown out of office. (October?)
I think there are many groups who could make claims against our Government. In the late 1800s we had a head tax on Chinese – should they start violent actions because the government took so long to say sorry.
The people in Walkerton still have been pay for the bad water there (people died there) – do they now barricade the roads. I was promised the removal of the GST back in 1992 – 23 years of GST payment adds up to a lot of money – do I now get a group of people angry because politicians did what – lie to us, cheated us – is not that what they always do?
The people of Ontario have been ripped off well over $150 billion in GST allow in the past 23 years – do we turn to violence? Native logic says yes.
Then what allows the natives the right to turn to violence?
crosseyedcyclops–great moniker!–I’ve just read your even-handed post.
Tears turn to smiles . . . Why can’t more Canadians be like you?!
Many thanks.
are we from mars?
if not so what this “first nations” stuff?
i’m from earth and no one is the “first” except for monkey if you don’t believe in god.
agitfact. No, I’m not into reading activist tracts.
Recommended readings, from my second year class – are the Treaties themselves. And readings on Hunters and Gatherer social infrastructures by such as Levi-Strauss, Ingold, Boas, etc. Hunters and Gatherers don’t own the land; there is no concept of private property; the land is communal and used, not owned.
needlemeyer57 said:
“It is time for Canadians to end their indenture to Aboriginals and give them the right to self-govern. And that means no safety net from the Canadian taxpayer. It is time Aboriginals learn to sink or swim, just like the rest of us do.”
….Dirk said:Though you are coming to this conclusion from the point of view ,that what in fact is wrong in Indian country,that being you seem to think it is all the fault of FN peoples(the whitemans burden,lol),which can not be further from the truth.That is exactly what Native people want to be treated as equals within the Canadan Family,with control over what is most importance to FN’s their culture their traditions their survival as a people.In short honour the treaties and argreement and leave FN communities alone.They have just as much right as any other people to decide how they interact with other peoples.
FN peoples are tired of corruption within the imposed Band council system,they are tired of being treated as children.The identity as FN(indeed their very existents) peoples is directly tied in with the land,take that away then what actually is a Native(take away any nations land).They are nations,they are peoples,with every right to survive.
Again understand of what you speak of….
well, despite what some of you think from my earlier postings supporting the natives, Im completely against this concession. completely caving in to home grown hooliganism. thats only supposed to get he attention of the powers that be, not the be all and determining factor.
this is waaaay waaaay too soon to be giving away the farm. literally.
this also just in: apparently one of the opp’s got busted for pointing his firearm at another opp on the weekend.
a 16 year vet.
wonder what thats all about.
John Tory couldn’t have imagined this could go so well for him.
This could be the end of liberalism in Canada as we know it. 🙂
“They are nations,they are peoples,with every right to survive.”
Sure thing, that is survival on their own merits that exsist today(government hand outs don’t count, not 200 years ago.
Dirk: sounds to me that you must’ve attended a university sociology class or five… nice tone, nice ideas… wrong natives. The FN people you speak of don’t exist… I’ve heard the same kind of impassioned rhetoric from non-native intellectuals; but sadly; I have yet to come across one single native person in the thousand or so I’ve met who thinks like you suggest. Granted, my experience is limited to the prairies, but for the most part they are as mixed in their opinions as Canadians in general are.
Most though, are first and foremost materialists… just like the rest of us. That is the one thing that strikes me whenever I work on reserves… FN, natives, aboriginals, what ever your want to call them, are not some sort of mythical homogeneous group who all want the same thing; but they are materialists.
Racism is used by the FN leadership, local band elite, and Liberals, to feed the Indian Affairs cash cow… that’s what it’s all about. The whole system is based on whining and crying and pandering to non-native liberal self-loathing. It’s the biggest con job yet; and it’s based on racism. “Progressives” trying to prove they aren’t racist – FN leadership crying racism. Ironically, the least racist of the bunch are likely good’ol conservatives who just want everyone to be treated equally.
ET, I should have seen that coming, but one hopes.
I suppose I could not interest you in reading the Supreme Court decisions in Simon (1985), Sparrow (1990), Sioui (1990), Van der Peet (1996), Delgamuukw (1997 – NB on the Content of Aboriginal Title), and Marshall (1999) either, since they might be “activist tracts” to you too.
If you change your mind, you can find them at … scc.lexum.umontreal.ca …
the website
http://www.citizensofcaledonia.ca
has tons of info on the treaties
if you read thru them all, you will find from 1783 to 1841 the natives created most of their problems themselves.
Further, the suggestion that natives were too dumb to understand treaties is false, Joseph Brant’s son was a lawyer and helped write the treaties,
Finally, the elected band council came about in 1924 because the clan chiefs were corrupt and negligent with running native affairs. It just never ends.
And no, the elected band council members are not agents of the govt. they are elected by the people themsvles. Unlike clan chiefs, appointed by the clan mothers who are thier relatives
It is my understanding that often times the only way the “underdog”, whether that be Aboriginals, women, immigrants, etc., get what they deserve is via violence.
Don’t misunderstand me. I don’t mean that they are always violent in the physical sense, but they rock the boat. They use tactics that at the time are described as outside the bounds of decent democratic activity.
I don’t know much about this case, so please don’t misinterpret me as saying “this is what’s happening here”. All I’m trying to say is that when I read something like this, when violence and disobenience gains some ‘good’ for the party that undertook it, I always tell myself to tread warily, because I think that history oftens judge these actions differently than we might today.
You’ve all made a lot of great points that I think are useful to me and others wanting to understand what’s going on, and I thank those of you who have taken the time to do so. I just thought I’d share why I’m going to continue to sit on the fence for a while, at least until I learn a great deal more about it.
Best wishes,
I have only read a few of the posts but it seems that there is many who do not know thier history.What is now Canada was inhabited by the natives for years. Then Europeans came and expanded thier holdings in the world by CONQUERING the native population of N.A.,Treaties were signed to allow the conquered people to escape total extermination.I wish people would accept that fact. We don’t live in the 1700’s anymore.Canada’s natives should thank thier lucky stars the Spanish were busy down south rather than up here.
Also,most but not all of our natives want what the “working people”(thier terminology)have,except for having to do the work.
First Nations have no sovereignty. clever semantic ploy.
The pre European colonists, who are commonly called First Nations, are asking for our freely elected government of all the people to preserve thier culture, traditions, and survival as a people.
Well, survival is an individual matter subject to one’s own resources within the law. Traditions is also subject to a group’s own resources within the law. Culture of course is supported within our multiculturalism departments federally and provincially.
It seems that the dichotomy here is the term “Own Resources”. The eventual organisation of our political will, resulted in a form of Government ruled by the Majority Elected to our House of Commons. Until now the House of Commons has perpetuated a charity which is encompassed in the Indian Act.
Nowhere does any law state that this charity must be continued in perpetuity. If an individual treaty states such perpetuity the majority in the House of Commons can change that with a majority vote. If the Supreme Court has anything to say on the matter it will be taken into account but don’t think for a moment that common sense will not prevail. LAWS CAN BE CHANGED.
One commentator said “Leave the FN community alone.” The FN community will be left alone when it is a self sustaining productive integrated community removed from charity status. By the way in Canada we have no right to private property. There goes your land claims.
Personally I prefer to be as fair as possible with land claims but in return the FN who agree must also agree to give up Indian Status for their great Grandchildren. There can be no perpetuity in this isue. Bottom line.
beardy’s cree…agifact…
What you do not seem to realize is that most people DO NOT CARE ABOUT the indians or their treaties any more.
Have you not yet realized that there are over 250,000 new immigrants in Canada each year. They move here for a better life, not to be in debt to, or intimidated by some indian that “claims” their ancestors own the land. I’m sure you will see a BIG change when the white man is no longer the majority here. I doubt others will be nearly as generous as what we have been.
BTW I was born here, so I AM JUST AS ENTITLED TO THIS LAND AS YOU ARE. Since I actually work in this country I consider myself to be more entitled to the land than any NON working native.
It’s time to abolish the reserves, and have Natives become our equals in soceity, not our dictators with their special priveleges. Only then will they have better selfworth and a better life for themselves. There are too many “others” here now for you to try and take “your” land back. Could you imagine them trying to come and kick people out of their own homes. LOL.
Wallyj: My sentiments exactly. Let’s remember the Aboriginal people were a Stone Age culture when the Europeans arrived in North America…technologically light years behind their Central and South American counterparts.
Land treaties with the Aboriginals was in fact, a benevolent manner in which to deal with a Stone Age people, whose way of life would lead them to certain extinction given the advancement of European industrialization of Canada.
Dave J: Good point. Aboriginals comprise about 3 percent of the Canadian population. Eventually, with quality immigration, Aboriginal issues will become subordinate, if not simply a nuisance.
Canadians would be better off investing in immigrants who are in Canada to obtain permanent employment, integrate into society, adopt Canadian values, and truly have a better life. Canada wins in the long run
Aboriginals, on the other hand, prefer to perpetuate their “victim” mentality and remain tied to government handouts. Not the type of citizen we are interested in spending our tax dollars on.
The bottom line, as has been written before, is that you cannot have two governments existing in one nation. Either there is one or the other.
In the case of Natives wanting complete self-governing authority, land and ‘Nationhood’ – let it be done. This of course means that we reclaim from the land any technology (medical, industrial, biological, etc.) that currently exists so that they can have their ‘Nation’ without our European influence. We demolish all infrastructures (civil, mechanical, electrical, structural, medical, financial, etc.) as well, allowing them to claim their rightful heritage that is purified from our cultural malaise. It would seem quite valid to proceed in this direction as they (the FN) appear to want nothing to do with our government, culture or law.
If this sounds ridiculous, it should, as should the notion of a ‘First Nation’ within the nation of Canada. A nation within a nation does not work, period. Laws must apply equally to all people, period. It baffles me how people cannot look directly south of us to that great democratic nation of America and not learn from their own two tiered history (namely White vs Black) which eventually failed in blood. It’s not rocket science people.
So much more to say, but I’ll leave it at that for now.
Debris said:”Dirk: sounds to me that you must’ve attended a university sociology class or five… nice tone, nice ideas… wrong natives. The FN people you speak of don’t exist… I’ve heard the same kind of impassioned rhetoric from non-native intellectuals; but sadly; I have yet to come across one single native person in the thousand or so I’ve met who thinks like you suggest. Granted, my experience is limited to the prairies, but for the most part they are as mixed in their opinions as Canadians in general are.”
…dirk:actually you are wrong,I am very familiar with the Native community and count many friends within FN.My views are based on history,reading,and an urge to “know” tempered by an 40-plus years of life expierance.I have worked with Natives,lived with and loved.
And I am well aware FN communities are a very diverse bunch,made up of many nations.Correct there are many differing ideas within FN communities on politics etc.But there is also a commonality between these diverse communities,in that most see themselves as FN ,incidents such as Oka and Caladonia further unite FN peoples,give hope that they can and must survive,they can and must come together to rebuild their communities,culture,traditions and languages etc…This time around on their own terms as equals within the Canadian state.
I also know many Natives that show little intrest in understanding of,or even knowing,their own history.This is no different than with any group or ethnic group that has been colonolized and denied basic justice(though progress is being made).But the fact that FN peoples have survived todate is a kind of victory,a example of their will not to be assimilated or denied their rightful place,a testament of their strength and will.
The history of Native struggle has been long and heroic.The fight has throwen up many Native leaders(e.g George Manuel),who played very important roles within and outside of the FN community.The list is endless…
I would not be so vain or egotistical as to believe I know what’s best for FN peoples,or to pass judgement on them,or anyone for that matter(unkike so many of those who have commented on this issue).
My views are based on the belief that there are always more sides to a story than some people would have you believe.I believe FN communities have rights as Nation,rights that are universal not given,rights Canada should honour and respect.It was not FN that dispossed anyone of their land and rights,and then passed laws forbiding FN peoples from using the same laws and courts to seek redress(since “overturned”)that did much to create the present situation within Indian Country.
I might suggest you read “Wasase” by Alfred Taiaiake.
Then there is “The American Empire and the Fourth World”by Anthony Hall
Two very thoughtful and important books,both written by Natives,of many books written and read.
But do not get all your ideas from books,nothing beats the value of interaction with real FN peoples.I can say from experiance your eyes will be opened,many sterotypes or precieved notions one might be carrying will fade from your mind,to the realization FN people are good people,honest people,proud people,with a history yet to be written in their own hand
Dirk said: “I would not be so vain or egotistical as to believe I know what’s best for FN peoples,or to pass judgement on them,or anyone for that matter”
Your judgements about how Canadians treated all FN has been sprinkled through your posts, so let’s get over biases coming from one party here, already.
Many of us interact with FN every work day.
Many are well on their way to achieving their goals of home/business ownership, having already become fully employed, happily employed even, and ready to mix in with us as co-workers, friends and family.
What have you to say of the ‘Congress of Aboriginal Peoples’, C.A.P.?
Will you honor your former neighbors by sharing treaty-settlements with those who have left the reserves?
And if so, how?… for surely they will be looking for equal treatment, as per their heritage.
It amazes me that after 200 years of welfare, rioting, and various and sundry acts of civil disobedience, Indians are pretty much where they always have been. Living in squalor, exceptionally unhappy and blaming everything and everyone for their problems.
Maybe one day sometime in the future it may occur to them that in order to achieve happiness and some sense of worth to ones life begging and throwing temper tantrums about real or percieved wrongs is not the route to go.
The long and the short of it is that happiness comes from self reliance. Personal achievement.
Security from skills that are marketable to others allows one freedom that can never be attained by holding your hand out.
Unless the Indian nation has a IQ on average of 50 they are more than capable of taking care of themselves within the framework of this society.
The true mark of a Warrior is not that he is fearless but that he can see his fear and overcome it. Proceed in spite of his fear. We live in a world of limitless opportunity. Only ones imagination stymies growth. Search yourself for what interests you.
The single best example of that from the indian world is Raskolnikov. Weather you agree with him or not he is a brilliant writer. A joy to read simply to savor his skill as a Word Smithe.
No matter weather you end up as a truck driver or a Astronaut, to look back on your life with some sense of self accomplishment, to have contributed, to be useful and used in order to further your life, the life of your family your community and your country. To be a true Warrior and face and over come your fear.
The other part of this is strength through forgiveness. Not just of others but yourself. You may have been wronged at some point, so be it. To finally grant yourself the right to forgive yourself and others will ultimately be your greatest strength.
Forgiveness will bring you peace.
Caledonia rodents. TG
The occupiers should take heed what they ask for.
The actions over the last year look more like something the PLO would do.
Do they want a settlement or are they trying to get an armed response?
Be careful what you ask for.
Could somebody please direct me to statements made by Ontario PC leader John Tory which indicate that he would’ve handled the terrorist Mohawk Rebellion significantly differently than McGuinty? I find it pretty disappointing that John Tory – who was last seen running to be mayor of the world’s gayest and most Liberal city – has squandered this opportunity to stand up for Ontarians and the rule of law.
We make a mistake when we lump all Natives into one group. Most Natives I have known are real people who, just like us, cannot be lumped into a group.
Many Natives, just like us, have no say in what is happening on their Reserves. Many Natives are just as disgusted with the criminality in their leadership as we are with ours. But they are held hostage by their leadership, just like we were and in Ontario are under the Liberals. No one listens to them and no one gives a damn.
The real criminals in Caledonia are the leaders of SN and our own fearless leader McGuinty. The only thing the leaders are interested in is lining their own pockets. To hell with their people.
Reserves are a microcosm of our own society. What is so easily seen there is exactly what is happening in the ROC–just easier to see on a Reserve.
I would just like to clarify a confusion
that has arisen. I am Wimpy CANADIAN, NOT
Wimpy MCGUINTY.
How about Duh-lton Wimpy McGuilty–on all counts.
First Nations people want to be treated like Canadians, yet they want monetary support from other Canadians, and everything handed to them on a silver platter by provincial and federal governments? Sorry, you can’t have it both ways.
You already get free education. The rest of us have student loans and have worked our asses off to pay for our education.
You already pay less taxes. The rest of us have to pay GST, PST, income tax and property taxes for what is “rightfully ours”.
I was born and raised in Sault Ste Marie, which is pretty much surrounded by reserves. It’s really ironic to me that you drive through, and you see brand new cars (Escalades, Mustangs, etc.) sitting in the driveways while the house itself is falling apart. Nice to see my tax dollars hard at work …
George :
A nice summation of our political woes. I know Natives who will not go back to a reservation. Not for any reason except family. Political rot twined with absolute corruption, rule on just about any of the reserves.
Than abetted & helped nursed by the Liberals for years in order to have yet another group under there boot, come election day. Using the various levels of government to “keep” them in place.
It will take years to ferret out all the crooks now in positions of authority & power. If one doubts what I say look at any speech by Native “leaders”. Better yet look at there incomes compared to there “band” members.
By the way someone posted here we have to pay forever since this was there land. Hate to let you know bud. But my ancestors where ripped off too. First my Celtic heritage was taken by Anglo Saxons. Than the Normans put pained to them. Am I entitled to hound Norway & Germany for these invasions by cash amounts for all Anglos & Celts?
Get over it & come into the 21st Century. If you love the old life so much. Go back to stone tools & teepees. No horses allowed.
Another fact Natives exclude. They where NOT the first here. But themselves conquered the indigenous peoples. Its why the Native lobbies fought so hard to procure skeleton from the North west. It was older than 12,000 years & either Semitic or European in bone structure.
So if I where you, take the swag, have a good run, than grow up. We all come from peoples who have been subjected by other groups of humans culturaly.
I may add that no one knows who inhabited the Olmec Culture. Since the city was abandoned & its distinctly African statues where hurriedly covered up, than the city was deserted.
Some places in South America claim continuous habitation for 90,000 year. This is in contention of course but so was metal using by natives in the 50’s.
That of course ties into what happened to deposits of gold at tabletop mountain & 1/2 a billion tons of copper strip mined from Wisconsin & other areas. We know the Eskimos where in touch with there European counterparts. This story is far from over.
Archeology Today
The question of when the first people came to North America defies consensus. Data from an array of fields would seem to narrow the number and timing of migrations, but that evidence is at best circumstantial and cannot be used to constrain what is strictly an archaeological matter. Advocates of a pre-12,000 B.P. human population assert that their evidence is valid and is rejected by skeptics only because of deep-set historical biases. That assertion is not well-founded. If a bias exists, it is in the assumption that there were only three discrete migrations, the earliest of which was Clovis. The possibility that these migrations were not discrete episodes involving small founding populations, but instead may have been migratory dribbles spread over thousands of years, has implications for understanding the variation evident among modern descendant populations and the archaeological variability of Clovis. The possibility that there were early, pre-12,000 B.P. migrations that may have been wholly unrelated to Clovis and failed, may have equally important implications for why we don’t know when the first people came to North America.
Hear Hear Revnant Dream! I completely agree. Everyone here has had ancestors that have been prosecuted in some ways by others. I posted in another comment last week, how my grandfather and great-grandfather were imprisoned and killed by the communist government in Czechoslovakia after the Soviet Union took over. Does that entitle me to constantly go after the various children of the people (and governments) who did this and hold everyone responsible?
I could also start listing other peoples that opressed my ancestors. But the point is that historically, all people have most likely opressed and have been opressed by everyone else at one time or another.
I think Kate should start a new section in her blog where everyone can list the opressions their ancestors or they themselves have been through. So when one particular group starts complaining about how they are the only ones opressed and need funding, we could point them to this section.
For those who have already blown one gasket – you may want to read the National Post/June 20/Page A4
Now that the Redress Express has happened – Heritage Canada also has in the works demands by many linguistic groups for redress. Apparently there has been a Heritage budget of some $25M set aside for this but by now the demands are upwards of $60M. And this is not indluding any of the First Nations demands or the Francophone demands.
Those itemized include Ukraininas-$12.5M, Chinese-$12.5M, Italians-$12.5 M, Germans-$12.5M, Jews-$2M, Sikhs-$4M, Croats-$2.8M, Others $7M. Is there something magical about the numbers 12.5?
Soooo – where do those of us who are non-hyphenated Canadians sign up for a class action suit (or a demand from Heritage) to compensate for the emotional/financial distress created by the last 40 years of primarily Liberal rule and the subsequent financing/legislation to hand over Canada to rule by the Minorities in perpetuity.
Dirk: I can say from experiance your eyes will be opened,many sterotypes or precieved notions one might be carrying will fade from your mind,to the realization FN people are good people,honest people,proud people,with a history yet to be written in their own hand
Dirk, have you ever been to the downtown of a Western Canadian city? “FN people are good people, honest people, proud people”, haha! Honestly bumming and harassing honest proud tax payer’s money for a bottle of booze! There is nothing most Indians I have encountered have anything to be proud of, unless you consider bring a drunken bum something to be proud of. Not all of course, but a good portion of them. And the ones who aren’t working and taking our tax dollars are just as bad. You lost…deal with it!
Right on, taxpayer. Spadina and Bloor comes to mind. ‘Makes me sad and mad.
Right on, taxpayer. Spadina and Bloor comes to mind. ‘Makes me sad and mad.
First Nations have no sovereignty. clever semantic ploy.
WRONG WRONG WRONG
The supreme court has already delcared that the only restraint on the sovereignty of the federal crown is the fiduciary obligation owed to the First Nations.
That means the feds (harper, martin et al) can’t just do what the hell they want to the First Nations. Just like what all you hav argued for the last day.
I speak facts – First Nations do have sovereignty as promised through treaties
Someone prove what I’ve written is wrong. And use the law – not some political rhetoric that sounds good to rednecks
None of you bloggers can do a damn thing about it either.
Do yourself and your people a favour, Beardy’s Cree: start pulling your own weight; in a word, grow up, wake up, smell the coffee, and bring yourself into the real world. Leave the ghetto you’ve allowed yourselves to be backed into, and get a life.
I’ve seen the drunk Natives at Spadina and Bloor far too often, just a few blocks from the Native Community Centre, and they’re pretty pathetic. ‘Got their hands out for spare change when the government–we taxpayers–is giving them over $2 billion a year.
What’s with that, Beardy’s Cree? Can you defend it at Spadina and Bloor, let alone all over the country? Can you defend your corrupt leaders (sic) and the criminal activity that’s going on on all sorts of reservations? Can you defend the misappropriation of all of this money every year?
Every Native family should be getting around $40000 or $50000 a year, given what the government hands over to Native groups every year. My family could do very nicely with that amount of cash every year, not to mention not having to pay taxes that Natives are exempt from.
Whether we bloggers can “do a damn thing about it” or not, you’re not doing your people any favours by defending the deplorable lack of accountatbility on the part of your corrupt leaders, who are living high off the hog while many others are pandhandling on the streets of Canada across the country.
Do you not feel a tinge of shame or remorse? I’d like to see Native Canadians begin to call for the taking to task of all of these Native thugs who call themselves “leaders.” Give me a break. No one’s interests are being served, let alone “First Nations People.”
Show a little gumption, Beardy’s Cree.
Hear, hear, NKOTB.
Two groups of people cannot be equals if one is financially dependent on the other
Two groups of people cannot be equals if one is financially dependent on the other
Beard’s Cree :
Your lucky your folks lived in the Canada’s. If you would have been an American tribe, you would have been slaughtered after losing conflicts.
I could not give a hoot, what the picked Supreme Court Liberal hacks believe. They where bought & paid for ages ago.
Picked by two PM’s involved in illegal acts ta boot.
I go by History. Not social theories or warn fuzzy plagues.
Time for a reality check Creek. You where ALLOWED to sign treaties. in some your help was required during the French Indian wars. You received much & demand even more, forever. Now that the conflicts are over. Remember the Northwest rebellion? You lost.
Go back to the stone age & keep the lands that natives keep saying they did not have a belief in personnel ownership over. In other words nothing.
For people who did not believe in land ownership certain tribes sure took said land from other Natives. Right? Dakotas stealing crow lands anyone, for ONE example? Are the Dakotas paying the Crows, forever?
I notice you pass over native corruption. You mention nothing about how the Feds have used your people. Nor the fact that you have so many privileges but don’t use them. Why, because you think the world owes you a living because 200 years ago your ancestors lost wars & signed nebulous treaties that where, are un realistic in a modern world. I could see it if your folks still used stone tools & no motors. As it is, the world has changed beyond recognition. As for the treaties, some are verbal & we are to believe you 100% no matter what. Like I should trust cons, or those with something to gain? How stupid do you think we are , besides the Court?
Lets start talking truth here , not a chip of f the shoulder whining. Basically what your asking is that people born 200 years ago who signed a treaty for whatever reason, those who won descendants will be your paymasters for free, forever. Grow up. That attitude will keep your people in chains forever.
By the way. The money tree is drying up. We cant afford a section of the public lying fallow & freeloading off the rest. No matter what they say or was done 200 years ago. If indeed they where done.
By the way as for environmentalism myth natives have created ( Really it was an Englishman pretending to be native in threw 20‘s that started this.). Just ask the mastodon, tree sloth , north American camel & horse just how much Natives love the environment. There extinct with tool cut marks on most fossils, as are buffalo. Just the choice pieces the good they left to rot with hundreds of other who where herded off cliffs.. Hell just go to a reserve to see how recycling is used there lol. Heck I was told a by many Natives you will never get them to use a garbage can. He was serious too. He felt it was only there due.
The truth hurts I know. Now build something you can be proud of & ditch the tall tales.
If you look around you will see that about a third of this Culture is Native in thinking & attitudes. It is what makes North American culture unique in the world. Be proud of that. Societys always pool its populations traditions. Its what makes nations.
As for doing something about this imbalance. You bet we can do something about it. Law is already breaking down. You sure you want a bunch of whites with guns & no law? Than there is America. How will they feel if you try to take over the resources here. Think long & hard bud.
This country is full of Custers,
I said prove me wrong using the law as the basis of your argument and not the red-neck rhetoric that you love to rant on about.
I don’t care about the opinion you have on First Nations people. Thats just more red-neck noise. I just want to hear any one of you argue how I have interpreted the law in the wrong way.
There is the law of the Treaties, only the red-necks interpret it as being two laws applying to two people. But that is the way the country was designed, and it was designed this way by the British parliamentarians and not the First Nations.
So you are wrong to lay the blame for this so-called two-tier legal system on the First Nations.
Read a history book people or is that to much work?
For more on the reality of Native “culture” go to Steve Janke’s Angry in the Great White North Web site. He’s convincingly linked Caledonia to some well-known Native gangstas and thugs, er businessmen. There’s also a discussion about the many Native paramilitary groups and their threats to the rest of us.
Not nice stuff–and McGuilty’s defending these folks and PAYING THEM OFF, for what? The next round of ammo they can use on the rest of us in Ontario and througout Canada, and not have the OPP or the RCMP raise a finger, let alone a gun in our defence?
I’d say democracy is getting pretty short shrift here, and that things are getting seriously out of line.
This kind of directionless–or should I call it one-way–lawless chaos is what happens when you vote for the Libs, either provincially or federally. Note to Canadians: DON’T DO IT. And DON’T VOTE DIPPER, EITHER. One hates to think what the landscape would look like then. I’m in mind of the wacky and wonderful scene from “Mars Attacks,” when the dippy libs in the U.S. (Jack Nicholson, pres., Annette Bening, his wife) are welcoming the arrival of the Martians, with a squadron of white doves. Total chaos ensues. LOL
Beardy’s Cree :
I don’t care about the opinion you have on First Nations people. Thats just more red-neck noise. I just want to hear any one of you argue how I have interpreted the law in the wrong way.
In other words you have no arguments. This is probably one of the reasons you never answered one alligation or question posed to you.
You fell back on the liberal time honered personel attack, instead of facts.
Indeed I did argue “facts” . You just don’t like thenm & refuse to justify your argument with a rational argument.
Opinions are formed by actions. What behavior do we see coming from Natives? How much of that should we respect?
How are we to interpret native society when all we see like Muslim society is anger & people trying to force us working people to support there habits & lazy life style forevr based on race. I call that Racism.