Sent by a reader, who notes that there seemed to be more representation at the parade by government “flunkies” than by gays;
I saw a Children’s Aid float, an Ontario Teacher’s Association float, a CAW float, a CUPE float, and of course- the Fire Department, the Police, and the RCMP were in the parade.
Vitruvius,
Is that the best you can come up with…a personal attack over a verb.
I’ll consider your old room when they move you to another ward.
Where is your ideal conservative country…maybe you should move there.
“I think that David Brown is not a troll; he’s just incredibly ignorant.”
BS ET,you may be well educated but you seem to be seriously lacking in street smarts.You know damn well,when you see a shiny lure in the water exactly what it is.I believe you just CANNOT resist a partisan dustup because you are the most prolific here in these pointless,insult-filled left/right circle-jerks.YOU are a trolls best friend!
My apologies to all for being OT,I get so damn pissed at regulars here thumbing their noses at REPEATED requests not to engage trolls!ET,if you sincerely do not’get it’,I’m sure a look in the dictionary for the meaning of the word’ignore’might help you.
Now ET,I will actually thank you for being the only one to respond to my’idea’.I hope my previous rant at you has not’lost’you to at least exploring this idea,after all you are the only one to show me the courtesy of feedback so far…Of course,voting is fundamental in any democracy,surely there are less primitive methods than choosing clan A or B.How about elected’managers’and’CEOs’for the business end of government and separating social issues from this as much as possible.I understand social issues will by it’s nature foster division among varying philosophies,however,it couldn’t possibly be as confrontational as the current system….again,just food for thought…
I already said I was sorry, David. Please accept that. Also, sorry I can’t respond to you, Dawg, but your shtick is in violation of the Small Dead Animals posted commenting policy, and I respect our proprietor’s wishes.
Me No Dhimmi,
Did you spend the weekend looking at a dictionary and working on insults to amuse the ‘platitudinous’ conservatives of SDA?
Frankly, I’m impressed that you can’t find anything worthwhile to rebutt my assertion that conservatives are stuffy and constricting.
Vitruvius said:
It’s as if the English language were a doll in a horror movie that’s just spun its head through 720 degrees.
Well that’s what Orwell warned us against. And of course this all started with the hijacking the very word “liberal” itself by lefties who came to believe that freedom meant free from want or worry.
What about the au courant meaning of “Partner”?
I’m a male. How do I now refer to my retired white male business partner? This is not a quibble. This is now a problem.
Is my white female “wife” (now there’s a quaint word, what?) the same as my “partner”. Would this mean that I scr***d my business partner?
Did you catch Jack Layton’s comments about how some countries in the world aren’t tolerant of gays?
Did you mean countries like Afganistan, Jack?
Got dragged to the ‘pride parade’ by my Russian wife, ( who just arrived in this country about a month ago).
Not much imagination in the floats, but when a dozen and a half totally naked males walked past us, ( preceeded by Mayor Whatzisname), my wifey expressed surprise: “Do people walk around the streets here with no clothes on?”
I replied: “Yup- in this neighbourhood, anyway.” (Haw- that’ll burn up the emails back to ‘Mother Russia’.
Personally- I got no probs with gays, (don’t have to watch it if I don’t want to). But here in Toronto, we had 8 shootings- two by cops- in the past two days. None of that was connected with gay pride……….
Me No Dhimmi,
The word ‘wife’ has Germanic roots and means ‘woman’. Taken in it’s original definition it’s a woman you own or is your possession. If your wife likes being owned in let’s say the Islamic sense by all means call her your wife.
I have called the woman I married my partner because we have gotten together to challenge life as well as enjoy it together.
This I dare say is the problem with conservatism, you want the old value system…but without the old baggage…an impossible notion.
“Sent by a reader, who notes that there seemed to be more representation at the parade by government “flunkies” than by gays”
So to you, more = zero gays. I see.
“about 10 years ago my kids and I (3 daughters) were enjoying what is called the teddy bears picnic…when i looked up and saw the pride parade ending at the teddy bears picnic..i almost peuked…instead, i grabbed my kids and made a run for it…..unbelievable….
”
Perhaps the lady didn’t think that kids at a Teddy Bears picnic should be exposed to public nudity and overt sexuality. I guess you think that’s strange.
I still don’t see any evidence for the “gays are pedophiles” charge. I’m sure you’ll make it up.
Canadian Observer: I agree with your concept that the two parties are for all intents and purposes ‘interchangeable’ with very little variation in policy and/or implementation. Partisanship is fodder for the masses. Keeps us busy, no? It’s the fools’ fodder (public are the fools). But they are even now recognizing the charade is up with producing some results for the people. That is why Dems in U.S. are looking at increasing minimum/border wages.
Canada as usual will tag along as a response and possibly as the ‘new election ploy.’
A figure of $80 million was thrown out by the MSM as what the event brought in in terms of revenue.
There’s one reason for bi-partisan, all groups and orgs support for this. It’s the money, stupid. There’s no business like illicit business.
Noone can get even the numbers right… you have reports of over a million, hundreds of thousands, 10,000. Was you there Charlie?
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND THE INFLUENCE ON THEM?
david there is nothing wrong with calling your wife your partner in life, however you compare the use of wife with conservatism, that would mean that every church marridge service should stop using the terms Take this women to be your Loving Wife & take this man to be your loving husband & even some use the phrase your partner in life also in the same text, so therefore every church no matter of what denomination is conservative based.
I really don’t see why i(as a conservative) should be labelled by some statist as “stuffy” if i dare defy the edicts of socialist engineering ..just because you have no backbone and are willing to stand idly by while society is shaped and changed by these fools. Does it mean i have to comply with their edicts on what i( as a tax paying citizen)find repugnant and crass?
I don’t remember anyone coming to my door and asking me about change before you spent MY money on another utopian cause…
While we are at it,no one is suggesting that there is a connection between homosexuals and paedophiles..however,what exactly is the message we send to kids when their mushy minded parents send them to a parade where gay men literally shove their crotches at them?
..And dare i say David Brown,that you want the new value system with all the rest of us that don’t agree with it to shut up and take it…sorry mate,doesn’t work for me..
The problem with modern Liberalism (as practised in Canada today) is that there is a view that everything that happened bfore 1968 and PET somehow has no value and is destined to be torn down..
Let’s say for arguments sake that Jesus was the first conservative. The Crusades were conservative , the Inquistion was conservative and so was/is every Pope in Rome..
Let’s say you’ve done a ridiculous job cherry picking history. Jesus of the “turn the other cheek” and the parable of the loaves and fishes has hardly been cast as a conservative. The last few Popes have been exceedingly socialist and liberal. And, no, their moral position on abortion, doesn’t cancel that out one bit. The Church has been accused in SA of being very openly leftist and politically active about it.
Trying to put a conservative vs liberal in modern context spin on the Crusades and the Inquisition is absurd.
You really need to define your terms. Crying foul that you are being personally attacked hasn’t advanced your cause.
I, for one am totally pissed off at the attempts by certain groups to hijack the English language for their own gain. Good Lord, I remember when gay used to mean happy. Now some dipweed is telling me that calling my spouse my wife is a demeaning slur. I dare you to tell my wife of 31+ years that. Same with marriage, if you want to call a homosexual partnership/relationship something then make it any new word you want but don’t change the language to suit your purpose. It isn’t that hard, thousands of new words have been created to describe things that didn’t exist or were acknowledged 20 or 100 years ago.
With respect to “Gay Parades” I am always amazed that a group seeking acceptance by mainstream society use dancing transvestites, naked people in leather, chains or the Village People as a showcase to the world to see how normal they are.
why shouldn’t there be a teacher’s float at pride? my oldest is in 3rd grade. she’s had 2 gay men for teachers so far. they’re were both excellent. both men are openly gay and all th parents know. futhermore, the school my child attends is in the inner-city and she attends class with kids from every ethnic possibilty conceivable. we all get along fine. the reality in toronto and the hype we read from the rest of the country about our troubles never seem to jive somehow.
Also, sorry I can’t respond to you, Dawg, but your shtick is in violation of the Small Dead Animals posted commenting policy, and I respect our proprietor’s wishes.
In what way? I was asked to justify my claims with examples, and I did so. Most of last my post, in fact, consisted of other commenters’ remarks.
If you’re out of arguments, it would be more honest simply to say so.
A million people went out to see Gay Circus … so this means it is popular and accepatble.
Freak shows are popular and always have been.
People go out in droves to see buidings burn, they go to outrageous movies and everyone slows down to see a car wreck on the side of a road.
I suggest this is merely bored jaded Torontonians taking in another weird, perverted circus.
Hey, entertainment is entertainment and everyone loves a parade no matter how idiotic and offensive it may be to many.
No decent person wants to harm gays, but by putting their perverted sexual culture on display in the manner of huge parades in major cities is harmful to a decent society.
Pride Week makes me proud as hell because nothing says Canadian like sexual permutations and combinations. To listen to the fawning assertions of the MSM one would think sexual preference is the single most important characteristic of “canadian values”.
Given that, the Pride parade is the natural expression of these all important “values” and a celebration of the only “diversity” that apparantly matters.
I mean really, where else will you find the bull dykes consorting with the faeries, the pre and post op transgendered swapping spit freely, the catchers given equal footing with the pitchers, the bus depot washroom crowd celebrated for spreading the word and the elder statesmen from NAMBLA volunteering their time to give guidance to the youth.
Afterall the really important thing about being Canadian is that you can express your sexuallity with whomever, whenever and wherever!!
Whatever!!
Syncro
ET, do you have a blog of your own? you seem to be the trolliest of all trolls to me. you try and dominate the tone of the comments daily. i have never read such a bloody know-it-all in all my days.
perfect response, texas canuck. I fully agree with you.
As for david brown, he has so far refused to define his terms: liberal, conservative. So, there is no point discussing anything with him. Words aren’t soap bubbles which change colour in the wind; words are supposed to convey common meanings.
His redefinition of ‘wife’ to imply subservience, his redefinition of ‘partner’ to include/exclude an economic relation, and so on, well, that’s his private language.
davidson – the fact that your child had gay teachers is not the issue. The issue is why a teachers’ organization should be involved in a single topic promotional parade. Why are they promoting a particular mode of relationship? Since they are not supposed to be selective, then, why did they ‘select’? Same with gov’t; it has no business getting involved. Those decisions are up to the people, not to the gov’t.
The fact that the unions are major supporters simply backs up the reality of the parade; it has become hijacked by the social engineers, aka the socialists NDP/Liberals to act as a part of their party propaganda.
I don’t like kids. Never did, even when I was one. Don’t have any of my own. I’m married to the ship, captain (as Scotty would say), and I try to work hard enough on being responsible for her to make up for the responsibility I am avoiding by not directly helping to produce the next generation of fine upstanding Canadaians.
I also fully agree with John Stuart Mill’s note to the effect that “Neither one person, nor any number of persons, is warranted in saying to another human creature of ripe years that he shall not do with his life for his own benefit what he chooses to do with it. All errors he is likely to commit against advice and warning are far outweighed by the evil of allowing others to constrain him to do what they deem his good”, and I’ve earned my volitional adult credibility in that department.
Yet, having said all that, I agree that this is one of those cases where I actually think: What About The Children?
Perhaps the reason I say that is because I was (as I now understand it) very fortunate indeed to have experienced a most supportive and yet not over-bearing environment in my own first dozen years. I am so, so, glad that I was largely shielded from, and in particular not forced to deal with, adult sexuality, at that time. Learning the names of all the species of plants and animals, and figuring out how to engineer effective sand-castles, was enough to keep us developing optimally. It was a wonderful place to grow up. And I just wish that every child could have the time for that.
Canada stands on the shoulders of common law, which recognizes the difference between the commons (say, the corner of Main and Center street), and private establishments (say, Sinderella’s Night Club). Citizens are afforded wide freedoms of private behaviour, with the proviso that when in the commons, the generally accepted best practices for commons behaviour should be respected.
So, frankly, while Ru Paul is arguably one of the best entertainers of variety known as XY-chromasomed impersonators of the XX-chromasomed, I do not think it appropriate for the more bawdy forms of that shtick to be perpetrated upon the commons.
In the vernacular, if you feel you have “let it all hang out”, then damn it, get a room.
davidson, no, I don’t have a blog of my own. I do, however, run an online journal.
It deals with informational and cognitive processes, and morphological generation, in artificial and natural (biologial chiefly) and social systems. We are particularly interested in complex networking as a means of information generation.
I doubt if you’d be interested as the papers are rather abstract and the authors are in physics, biology, bioengineering, computers etc. If you are, let me know and I’ll send you the link.
No, in reply, I don’t have a blog. I do have an online journal.
The journal deals with information generation and processing, and morphological generation and development, in biological, artificial and social systems. We are particularly interested in cognitive processes, and morphologies, in complex networks. A society is a complex network.
Authors are in physics, biology, bioengineering, computers.
If you are interested, let me know and I’ll send you the address.
Davidson,
What’s wrong with putting children under the care and supervision of male homosexuals you wonder? Where were you during the scandals in Christian Brothers schools, the abuse of alter boys and the awful degradation of young inmates by warders in various provincial detention centres? Sure, your daughter is safe, but what about little boys in the class?
And don’t tell me that male hetrosexual teachers are as much a threat to little girls as homosexuals are to boys. How often do incidents of institutional hetrosexual abuse occur? Not totally unknown of course, but nothing like the horrendous mass abuse of boys that has been reported. Perhaps it has something to do with the stability of normal family life and the social mores that go with it.
“Progressives” don’t play fair. They win a game, then promptly move the goal posts and create new issues built on ever more extreme viewpoints of what is, and what is not, a social norm. It would seem that the game is to insult Canadian sensibilities… winning is no longer good enough… it’s the never ending game of push-the-boundaries that counts for them.
There is no end… there is no pacifying this deranged need to oppose and create illusions of normalcy where there is none. It is pathologic among the extreme left, and it is very profitable for those who hijack it for their own ends.
The good part is that “progressive” politicians have moved along with the extreme-left tide, and have now alienated mainstream Canadians. “Progressives” have progressed themselves right into the wilderness. Other than in a few urban jungles, “progressives” no longer resonate with normal tolerant people.
Teachers Union???
This explains why the Pedophile teachers rarely get fired and merely lay low for awhile and get relocated at another school to access a whole new stock of children or teens.
As for CUPE , someone tell Syd Ryan that gay in Palestine are murdered in public by the Sharia-law zealots doing a favour to Allah.
Some are stoned to death , one was crushed by a wall pushed over onto him as perscribed by Sharia.
The CAW lost my business when I discovered they sponsored a immigrant Centre that indoctrined newcomers to hate Jews and Americans, I witnessed workers from the centre telling Muslims that “The Jews” caused WW2 , and Bush used illegal means to rig the Election that Al Gore really won.
I now buy non-Union Canadian made Toyota’s like the Corolla , the CAW and at the time Peggy Nash , can promote whatever agenda they want , but I have the right to use my wallet to protest the CAW’s antisemetic anti-American propaganda .
Zog: Sorry, but I must disagree with you. I’m somewhat of a specialist in this field, and overall statistics suggest that the primary victims are little girls. There are far fewer homosexual predators than heterosexual predators. The problem is that because of stigmatization, predators of boys usually have far more victims before they are caught, than do heterosexual predators. Here are the rough stats:
– Convicted pedophiles average about 52 victims each.
– Convicted pedophiles of boys average about 150 victims each.
– Virtually every convicted pedophile is a male.
David Brown
“Modern conservatism is the root cause of statism”
This was your statement. Devoid of support.
You’re betting I say that to all the trolls? Actually, no. Just you.
Debris Trail,
Thanks for the stats.
Have you done any evaluations of frequency of offenses relative to the proportion of homosexuals in the general population? In other words, if there is no greater likelihood of homosexuals than of hetrosexuals to offend, hetrosexual pedophiles should outnumber homosexual abusers by a factor of about 50 to 1. Has that been your observation?
What about my assumption that hetrosexual pedophelia is very rare in institutional settings and that most abuse of little girls is perpetrated by family members?
I don’t think it’s the progressives per se that are the cause of the goal-post moving syndrome, Debris Trail, they are principally a symptom of the problem, because they depend on institutions. The base problem in institutionlism, namely, that institutions, once the job they have been promulgated for has been done, have a nasty habit of going out of their way to not go away.
I supported the efforts of the “Homosexuals Are Homo Sapiens Too” crowd thirty years ago. That has now been broadly acknowledged, at least by western civilization. The gay movement is obsolete; instead, they’ve become statists.
It’s like Mothers Against Drunk Driving. Thirty years ago people used to drink and drive without second thought. With wild abandon, even. Now they don’t. MADD is obsolete; instead, they’ve become prohibitionists.
As Prime Minister Sir Wilfred Laurier once said: “Experience has established that institutions, which at the outset were useful, often end by becoming intolerable abuses owing to the simple fact that everything around them has changed […] and they have not.” “The role of government [is …] not to force action in any one direction but to remove barriers to man’s own efforts to undertake personal and social improvement […] Man must be free to seek his own improvement and be responsible for his own destiny. If you remove the incentive of ambition and emulation from public enterprises, you suppress progress, you condemn the community to stagnation and immobility.”
(Sir Wilfred was a Liberal, by the way, and arguably one of the greatest Canadian prime ministers.)
Anyway, for now, I’m sticking with PETA and DAM, they aren’t obsolete yet. Oh, sorry, I should define my acronyms: People Eating Tasty Animals, and Mothers Against Dyslexia.
I know the Gay Pride parade has been going on for years. However, it seems to me that those normal people who are gay must be absolutely embarrassed out of their minds watching men dressed as women, people half undressed and generally making a mockery of their livestyle. Like society the gay community is made up of all kinds of people. However, for those gays who want respect and acceptance this type of thing cannot help their cause. The heterosexual community looks on and says if this the gay lifestyle let’s continue to fight to marginalize this group.
This was posted by: David Brown at June 26, 2006 03:16 PM
“The word ‘wife’ has Germanic roots and means ‘woman’. Taken in it’s original definition it’s a woman you own or is your possession. If your wife likes being owned in let’s say the Islamic sense by all means call her your wife.”
In case you’re interested, consult the following:
from http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=wife
«O.E. wif “woman,” from P.Gmc. *wiban (cf. O.S., O.Fris. wif, O.N. vif, Dan., Swed. viv, M.Du., Du. wijf, O.H.G. wib, Ger. Weib), of unknown origin. The modern sense of “female spouse” began as a specialized sense in O.E.; the general sense of “woman” is preserved in midwife, old wives’ tale, etc. M.E. sense of “mistress of a household” survives in housewife; and later restricted sense of “tradeswoman of humble rank” in fishwife. Du. wijf now means, in slang, “girl, babe,” having softened somewhat from earlier sense of “bitch.” Wife-swapping is attested from 1959.»
And from http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\ie\germet&first=1661
Proto-Germanic: *wība-
Meaning: woman
IE etymology:
Old Norse: víf
Old English: wīf, wifmon
English: wife, woman
Old Saxon: wīf
Old High German: wīb
German: Weib
Nope, can’t say that the etymology of “wife” refers to “a woman you own or is your possession” as stated by David Brown.
Fairy tales, hmmm, Mr. Brown?
Wonder how many folks recall a similar debate from almost a year ago:
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/002377.html
Yes, it’s also about the T.O. Silly Naked Clowns March…
Many consider me a pretty centrist sort of liberal, even centre-right mostly on economic issues. Many friends wonder sometimes why I don’t vote for conservatives or the Conservative Party. I think the next time someone asks me that, I’ll send the permalink to this discussion thread.
Debris, sometimes you surprise me. Thanks for the sobering stats on pedophilia–a disorder that has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Your intervention is a breath of fresh air on this thread. But I’m still interested in your odd notion of “progressives” moving the goalposts? How?
I’ve attended our local Pride parade/party in Ottawa for some years now. In one day, in one place, you get the whole spectrum, unlike heterosexuality, which is celebrated all over the place in a thousand ways. Yup, you can see the odd bare-breasted lesbian or ageing queen or leather boy with the behindless chaps, but that has to be about 2% of the people who show up. Most just look like partyers in high summer.
The local, and thankfully defunct, football team got women to lift their tops in return for some beads at football games. MuchMusic videos play, with their abundance of female bodies wrapped in plastic or leather or air. “Miss Nude” contests are held; wet T-shirt contests; “nice legs” contests. A car sells itself in ads featuring a bodacious woman and a caption to the effect of, “Great ride.”
Funny. I’ve never heard anyone grousing about the “heterosexual lifestyle.”
Now imagine all of this in one place: all of the above, plus perfectly ordinary men and women, churchgoers, Rotary stalwarts, car salesmen, university students. “Straight Pride Day.” The media, of course, will look for the topless women and the macho men, the outrageous clothes–or lack of them, the openly straight amorous behaviour, the political chanting: “Don’t hate! We’re straight! Get used to it!”
Nope. Straights don’t have to do that. They can be straight anywhere they please. No one gives it a second thought.
But you still can’t walk unnoticed down a main street hand-in-hand if the two of you are of the same sex. At the very least, you’ll get stared at enough to be made to feel uncomfortable. Judging from this thread (which is probably unfair) they could be the targets of visceral disgust and hatred. They could be confused with pedophiles. They could be used as foils to attack “progressive” governments. They might be denounced from pulpits as “disordered” or “diseased. Pillars of the community like Rabbi Reuven Bulka of Ottawa will be there too, offering a “cure” for their “condition.”
But I guarantee you, they won’t be left alone. Even in 2006.
Having one big party, once a year, gives numbers, safety and assurance. And in those numbers, as noted, you’ll see the whole range of those who are gay, lesbian, transgendered…everyone but those with the one accepted sexual orientation. Of course the media will pick out the flamboyant, outré ones.The rest would just be your regular crowd scene–no newspaper sales in that.
I say that if goalposts have to be moved, they should be. Over to you. In the meantime, thanks for trolling by with your bona messagette. 🙂
Bravo, Ted. (Longer commentary caught in Kate’s filter for the moment.)
Vitruvius,agree completely that it has gone WAY past acceptance and is now an agenda to completely normalize homosexuality.
Openly gay elementary teachers?I’m no prude but why is ANYONE’S sexuality a topic of conversation at an elementary school?How about letting our little kids just be kids for a change,and not a social experiment?
Let’s say gay lobbyists dreams come true and male/female becomes completely redundant in relationships and kids are taught in school having 2 moms or dads is A-OK.What will happen to these kids when their hormones go f*cking crazy at puberty.Experimentation will be rampant and what boy or girl won’t TRY both camps to try and find themselves?(anyone else here young enough to remember the confusion of those days,even without this added pressure?)
I am thankful my two daughters will make it through high school before the PC police demand everyone accept homosexuality as normal.
And,as gays DEMAND respect for their beliefs,they could show a little respect in return to those honestly offended by their public displays.
BTW,we’re all grown-ups with computers here,out of at least curiosity I’m sure most have explored the seedier side of the net…and have discovered fetishes you never dreamed existed that cross all sorts of boundaries…straight,gay,bi,animals,etc.
Can anyone here explain to me why,when gays are trying to promote themselves as normal sexually,do they publicly promote and display such a bizarre collection of fetish loving exhibitionists?
It is time to put sodomy back on the books as a crime. You used to get 14 years for it, now you dance in the strets to flaunt it to all the “breeders”. Time to send these sickos back to where they belong.
Oh, I see, Ted. It’s all about sex. If it weren’t for the sex thing, you’d be voting Conservative. I see. The corruption and cavalier incompetence and gross negligence of the Librano$$$ doesn’t matter at all?
Ok. Gotcha, pal. For the record. It’s all because of sex. Right. Just because a lot of Canadians, and not just conservatives, either (a lot of Librano$$$ opposed gay marriage, plus a NDPer), have cautious trepidations about the incredible, incessant fixation of our society and state apparatus on homosexuality and transsexuality and whatever else to do with sex… that’s why you won’t vote Conservative? Isn’t that overly simplistic and reactionary, not to mention perhaps a tad emotional?
Just wondering, my good chap!
And just to be fair, you should similarly criticize ALL folks who express concern at the whole sexuality issue being forced to the top of the agenda in Canada to the detriment of more urgent problems… like health care, the economy, national security, equality of citizens (why can’t straight folks walk around naked in public, too, and have straight bathhouses and fornication houses without being persecuted by police?)… you should denounce immigrants, for example, including Muslims, Sikhs, etc… for being opposed to official state sanction, canonization, taxpayer funding, special protections, etc. of just anything and everything some folks demand…
I mean, why do we need parades for just these folks? How much more special are they than straight folks? Why not have “pride” parades for absolutely all groups who demand the equal right to have the local gov’t’s declare a “pride week” and have police block off the entire downtown so they can dress like XXX-rated naked clowns and yell how great and proud they are…
I mean, it’s getting to be a bit silly! Just look at the marchers, fo’fecksake! Naked! All that! Gawd! None of THAT is normal at all! Normal folks do NOT walk around naked or wearing bumless chaps, etc., etc….
Oh, never mind… I really don’t care that much, but if you want to respond, that’s ok. I just should go do more important things than talk about why you won’t vote Conservative just because we see no value in folks walking around naked and stuff…
I can’t speak for others, Ted, but you are welcome to publish my comments to your friends far and wide. Indeed, I would be interested in your opinions on the topic at hand, if you were ever to be so interested as to contribute to the discussion at hand rather driving around shooting at the pedestrians who are having a conversation on Kate’s sidewalk.
Good catch, Canadian Sentinel, this topic is a perennial, that’s for sure. Thank god for the republic of free speech, where we citizens can have an honest debate on the matter. We’ll sort it out, over time, things take time.
Don’t forget the words of Alan Charles Kors, who wrote: “The cognitive behavior of Western intellectuals faced with the accomplishments of their own society, on the one hand, and with the socialist ideal and then the socialist reality, on the other, takes one’s breath away. In the midst of unparalleled social mobility in the West, they cry “caste.” In a society of munificent goods and services, they cry either “poverty” or “consumerism.” In a society of ever richer, more varied, more productive, more self-defined, and more satisfying lives, they cry “alienation.” In a society that has liberated women, racial minorities, religious minorities, and gays and lesbians to an extent that no one could have dreamed possible just fifty years ago, they cry “oppression.” In a society of boundless private charity, they cry “avarice.” In a society in which hundreds of millions have been free riders upon the risk, knowledge, and capital of others, they decry the “exploitation” of the free riders. In a society that broke, on behalf of merit, the seemingly eternal chains of station by birth, they cry “injustice.” In the names of fantasy worlds and mystical perfections, they have closed themselves to the Western, liberal miracle of individual rights, individual responsibility, merit, and human satisfaction. Like Marx, they put words like “liberty” in quotation marks when these refer to the West.”
Just testing the filter to see if it accepts shorter comments and to advise that it caught a pretty good retort to Ted’s comment. Not to worry, it isn’t caustic, but rather funny.
What’s this? Michael Ignatieff is so gay and more representation by government “flunkies” — pretty inflammatory to me. Maybe even over-the-top propaganda.
DT says: “- Virtually every convicted pedophile is a male.”
Which is a little different than saying virtually every pedophile is a male. We need gender normalization sentencing guidelines in Canada, because women are pretty much above the law in many instances. For example, I saw one study where only 2% of females convicted of diddling ever go to jail. I say (tongue in cheek) an equal number of men and women should be in jail at any given time; anything else is evidence of an anti-male bias in the legal system.
About Mother’s Against Drunk Driving: they’re getting uppity, it’s time to form Drunk Drivers Against Mothers. 83% of those convicted of drinking and driving in Ont. are male ( women don’t really get convicted of DUIs here; see Trudeau, Maggie). Yet drivers talking on cellphones actually cause more crashes than drunk drivers. Girls like chatting on teh phone 😉
MADD got the Canada Safety Council to pretty much endorse chatting on the cellphone while driving last week, and the OPP are busy chasing beer drinking boaters rather than supressing the Mohawk Rebellion of 2006. Sometimes I hate this province…
Fair comment, Vitruvius.
I’ll actually quote something you wrote over at a similar thread at The Shotgun:
“I also fully agree with John Stuart Mill’s note to the effect that “Neither one person, nor any number of persons, is warranted in saying to another human creature of ripe years that he shall not do with his life for his own benefit what he chooses to do with it. All errors he is likely to commit against advice and warning are far outweighed by the evil of allowing others to constrain him to do what they deem his good”, and I’ve earned my volitional adult credibility in that department.”
Me too.
This was the first Gay Pride Parade I have not been able to make it to in many years and that was disappointing. It’s a great city event. Several streets are blocked off. There is basically a fare on Church Street. Lots of music. Dancing and singing in the streets. Laughter. A million people gathering and having fun. Together. A million people and you very rarely hear of any violent incidents or even tempers going off.
Is there some nudity? Last year having just started reading what could only be described as vitriol by some over at the Shotgun on this very subject, I paid more attention. Of the 1,000,000 bystanders, of the thousands on parade, I think I counted 5 sets of breasts (which, by the way, isn’t illegal) and 4 penises. Oh. My. God. The. World. Is. Coming. To. An. End. I could personally care less about that. A lot more people with open booze coming out of Jays game and I’ve never seen anyone anywhere post about that, despite all these sudden ethicists and legal eagles popping up here.
As for pride, two obvious comments. (1) I feel pride for my nation, my city, my family, my house and the hours of work I’ve done on it, my legal practice, my relationships, the troops defending our freedom, Team Canada winning the gold (the women!). Pride is not a bad thing on its own. (2) the idea of a Gay Pride Parade (obviously) comes out of the shame that society had of gays, so the healthy response: I’m queer and I’m here, not going to be shamed, but proud of who I am. I’m not gay so I don’t need to tell gays how to feel about themselves, but I think that’s a pretty healthy outlook on life.
Sentinel: If you can’t get the comment up, sent it to me by email. There’s something about your vicious, nasty humour that tickles my funny bone sometimes and I’d hate to think I missed a good one.
Ted
So here we go again with the bogus claims that Heterosexuals are the main source for pedophilia, Rev.Brent Hawkes tried that scam on the John Oakley show and attack the Catholic Church for what a groups of Homosexual-pedophile Priests did .
This usual rant is like the same tripe by the pro-gay Pride supporter that insist the naked male getting their jollies flaunting their penis in front of little boys has nothing to do with sexual preference, it’s gender-pride and Public expressions of affirming that men exposing themselves to boys is normal.
Funny how the Liberal were against raising the Consent age to 16 , Cotler himself said he feared it would criminalize some homosexual behaviour.
BTW, there is a big difference between heterosexual lust that may attract a adult to a under age person of the opposite gender and the outright sickness of a man that only wants boys and has no desire for any female adult.
The twisted logic used to defend homosexual pedophiles doesn’t hold water when you apply it to the prison system, if gay males are believed
to be close to 2% of the population then this means the high homosexual activity in jails makes gays predisposed to crime because the numbers show a 10% gay-sex rate in jail.
Of course the arguement will be that the lonelyness makes the gay , but I thought we settled the debate about being Born that way and you can’t Choose to be gay.
Men that enjoy being naked in front of little boys are sick and qualify as pedophiles, even when Mayor Miller and Chief Blair choose to ignore it and tell the world it’s a Family event and bring the kids ( fresh meat) .
Oh, well, Teddy, I didn’t save the comment. Crap. Maybe Kate’ll allow it anyway. BTW, you saw four peenie-pipes in public? That’s illegal, isn’t it? But no arrests? Just out of curiousity, did you see any pussies? Or is society so harsh on women, making them feel so ashamed of their bodies, that even the big, fat, hairy, fearless dykes are afraid to display their genitalia whereas the gay guys are only too happy to expose their private parts to the child spectators?
Hmm… y’know… if the nudity in these parades is acceptable and the police and the public don’t care about public nudity, then the law against public nudity must therefore be abolished as was the law against homosexuality by Jean Chretien in the late Sixties…
Oh, yeah… let’s turn it up a notch… let’s make The Netherlands look like Ahmadinejad’s Iran!
Oh, yeah… let’s make Canada the land where absolutely anything goes!
I think I’ll send an email to Cheech and Chong to let ’em know we’re gonna have a helluva party up here…
RE:”Sentinel: If you can’t get the comment up, sent it to me by email. There’s something about your vicious, nasty humour that tickles my funny bone sometimes and I’d hate to think I missed a good one.”
It is a predictable liberal ploy to label a difference of opinion from their progressive platform as vicious and nasty.
In my experience it usually means the liberal is losing the debate.
Well, which is it Sentinel? Which do you want: Ahmadinejad’s Iran or a Canada that has a few celebrations a year to celebrate life, liberty and security of person? My preference is Canada, but to each their own.
(And by the way, it was Trudeau as Minister of Justice who decriminalized homosexuality and moved us even further away from the medieval tribes of the world who punish consenting adults for loving each other. The same Trudeau who went all military the last time we had any kind of terrorist threat in our midst (the FLQ – now those guys were some real terrorists, not like the Idiot 17) and the same Trudeau who lamented the group think that had become of multiculturalism. Just cause I know you’re dying to be accurate about Liberals.)
Ted
And what about having a straight pride parade? Surely there’s some straight folks out there who would like to organize them? Why not? If it is denied by the cities, then we shall take ’em to court for discrimination! Oh, absolutely, we can do it, and have all state agencies and political leaders on floats celebrating the greatness of the straight… or else!
And let’s walk down the street naked, too, including beautiful straight women! In front of children, promoting straightness and all that. And if the police bother us, we can sue ’em for millions!
I wish someone with that much energy and organizational skill would do that. Ain’t gonna be me… I’m just a lazy blogger myself… and I’m proud of it! And sometimes I blog in my skivvies, too, to demonstrate how proud I am!