Sent by a reader, who notes that there seemed to be more representation at the parade by government “flunkies” than by gays;
I saw a Children’s Aid float, an Ontario Teacher’s Association float, a CAW float, a CUPE float, and of course- the Fire Department, the Police, and the RCMP were in the parade.
A teachers’ float there? That’s just sick.
I reckon being gay is officially a ‘Canadian value’ eh?
I live in Toronto, it’s a weekend where a million tourists arrive, law takes a holiday, and a million residents get the hell out. I went to the cottage.
Ya gotta wonder why there is so much political support for an issue that has very little popular support.
IMO there will be another bump up for the Conservatives if they can reenact Canadas’ legal recognition of marriage as being only between one wife and one husband.
Children’s Aid and Teachers floats? That is really symptomatic of a society that places little value on its children.
All that’s apparently missing is a float from NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association. That’s the organization of homosexual pedophiles that has a goal of getting adult male to boy sex made legal.
Yeah, that’s how far homosexuality has come in degeneration.
How many of us think that back, oh say, thirty years ago, when homosexuals claimed they just wanted societal tolerance and to not have consenting adult homosexual sex illegal, the rest of society would have expected it to degenerate to what we have today?
Homosexual “marriage”; homosexual adoption; affirmative action for homosexuals; homosexual “diversity” bureaucrats on public payrolls…and anyone expressing any moral or religious objections is immediately shouted down as “homophobic”. (Which is really just an ad hominem attack, as the LAST thing homosexual activists want is to have to engage in an intelligent, dispassionate public debate and discourse on all this.)
That’s what you call an incremental agenda, the extreme left’s favorite tool to get the formerly illegal, aberrant and unacceptable to become legal, “normal” and acceptable. With those objecting to be made the objects of derision and marginalization.
NDP homosexual activist Svend Robinson has publicly advocated for a 12 years old Age of Consent. What do you think Svend & Friends had in mind for those 12 year olds?
Meanwhile, Harper and the Conservatives are doing the right thing in seeking to raise the Age of Consent to 16, to seek to protect vulnerable teens from adult sexual exploitation. Such as what Svend Robinson has in mind.
Where’s the CPC float?
Apparently shamelessly pandering to Canadian-Chinese is OK but gays…
It probably wouldn’t be a bad idea for everyone to keep in mind that the gay collective isn’t about sexuality any more, it’s become just another socialist front. At least, that’s what those of my friends who are right-of-center and homosexual tell me.
Meanwhile, what’s with all this pride celebration stuff? The University of Alberta has UofA Pride banners all over the place. Don’t they know that pride is the gateway to hubris?
Anyhow, as soon as all the pride week stuff is over, at least we can look forward to greed week, and then lust week, and then envy week, and then gluttony week, followed by wrath week, and then sloth week. Have a happy summer.
Irwin,
Is this the only weekend of the summer you go to the cottage?
Vitruvius, there IS such a thing as a healthy (non-narcissistic) self-regard and respect for one’s heritage.
I’m referring, for example, to Canadians or Americans just pride in our respective countries history, our accomplishments, our standing up for Liberty whenever it’s needed to be defended.
Isn’t that what Canada Day, the Fourth of July, Remembrance Day, Memorial Day are supposed to be about? 🙂
Of course the government is there. Aside from being staffed by socialists, if they didn’t go some bloody pinko activist would sue you for discrimination like they did London’s Mayor.
I don’t have a problem with anyone having their little event, I just don’t like making acceptance of it mandatory.
Vitruvius said:
It probably wouldn’t be a bad idea for everyone to keep in mind that the gay collective isn’t about sexuality any more, it’s become just another socialist front.
Exactly right! I would add that enviornmentalism is not really about the environment, anti-poverty activism is not really about poverty [except perhaps how to increase it!], the UN childrens’ rights isn’t about children.
These movements are about, statism, statism, and statism respectively.
This is the key to understanding the mental illness that is modern liberalism: it is never about what it is alleged to be about. You can’t be in the world like that 24/7 and retain your sanity.
Iggy is now a gay dhimmi.
Modern conservatism is the root cause of statism.
If conservatives weren’t: so opposed to gays, hell-bent on cutting taxes, slashing social services, curtailing the rights of women and cutting loose the fringe-living unfortunates of our society.
My guess is statism wouldn’t stand a chance.
yes, all this talk about pride day brings back a special memory….about 10 years ago my kids and I (3 daughters) were enjoying what is called the teddy bears picnic…we were enjoying our pancakes, when all of a sudden we hear these whistles, pots banging and bad music…when i looked up and saw the pride parade ending at the teddy bears picnic..i almost peuked…instead, i grabbed my kids and made a run for it…..unbelievable….
I lived in downtown Toronto for 15 years, and am soooooo glad that I’m not there anymore, especially during the week from hell.
Someone was surprised that there was a teacher’s float??? Well, there are lots of gay teachers in the system, and there’s a unit on “families – diverse” (can’t remember the correct name used for it) that is taught in the primary grades. There’s a gay agenda going on….oh yes there is…this is more of a political/social agenda that equal rights.
very nice, me no dhimmi. Yes, all those emotive guilt-laden join-a-group movements have increasingly lost any and all connections with their original mandate and are now socialist statism agendas.
Nice Seven Deadly Sins, vitruvius.
I find it objectionable that any gov’t leader or institution joins in any ‘identity-group’ ceremonies. After all, a politican and a gov’t institution (police, RCMP, fire, teachers) are bound, ethically and legally, to represent all citizens and to ignore group-based identities. So, why align themselves with any group-based identity?
Sure – if you must have a gay parade, let those individuals involved have such a parade. But, what does any gov’t leader or gov’t institution have to do with it?
After all, we just had an example, with McGuinty, of him representing ONLY the natives in Canada. He and the OPP refused to help the residents in Caledonia, refused to help the builder-developer in Caledonia, and, using taxpayer money, simply bought out the builder. This doesn’t solve the problem, it simply silences it for now. But, the native actions were terrorist actions, and McGuinty didn’t protect the citizens against these actions.
Instead, he played ‘identity-politics’ and aligned himself with a group. Rather than with all citizens. If he had aligned himself with all those involved, ignoring their ethnic identities, he would have focused only on the law, defined the natives as terrorist, and arrested them.
Groups are a cultural phenomenon and have no business as a political and legal phenomenon.
Oops!!! “than equal rights” ….not “that”….
david brown – you have a list of assertions but no connections and no proof. Can you link any of them, with proof? Or do you just prefer to make assertions without proof?
Warwick said:
I don’t have a problem with anyone having their little event, I just don’t like making acceptance of it mandatory.
I compliment you on your apt bit of irony here in the phrase “little event”. A deft touch.
About the only thing Pat Buchanan has ever said that had my whole-hearted agreement was this: “It has changed from the love that dare not speak its name to the love that won’t shut up”.
Interesting how “Gay Pride Day” has morphed into “Pride Day”. I first saw the shortened version in a Vancouver Magazine piece about Hedy Fry preparing for “Pride Day” and thought it was a simple editing error. Not so I gather. Would we say that “Pride Day” is therefore a “more inclusive” event celebrating “greater diversity”.
Gawd, will the silly season never end?
Did you know?: Gay Pride Day has been extended to Gay Pride WEEK in Vancouver?
I’m guessing, it may be a case of the organizers “inviting” some groups to be in the parade and daring them to decline.
With the resultant “they won’t be in our parade, they’re homophobic” smear.
ahhhh, David Brown of “Bovine Dolt” infamy.
According to the bovine reasoning of Herr Brown, the reason statism is rampant is that there is a group that speaks out against it. Nice piece of logic once again, DB. So, if we would just learn to accept this crap, it would go away?
I don’t know why anyone is surprised about the teachers’ being in the Pride parade. Gay input into the curriculum is actively happening in BC with little chance for parental veto. Get used to it folks.
A million people turn out to watch the parade. Like it or not, that’s a million people that do want to see this and do enjoy it and do have fun.
Is Conservatism about only associating with people exactly like yourself? From views on immigration, gays, religions, etc. it would seem for a good number of conservatives, it is so. Where is the ‘live and let live’ that I’ve been told is also part of the small ‘c’ conservatives?
I reckon being gay is officially a ‘Canadian value’ eh?
No, but acceptance of people who differ from you is.
Coming back from a downtown pub where I watched Italy v Oz, I saw a sticker plastered on a garbage can (yes, they DO exist in downtown T.O.).
The sticker featured what is apparently the sign for “family” parking at IKEA, and as such had the obvious silhouettes of a mom, dad, and baby in a pram.
But the creator of said sticker was obviously upset with the use of traditional family icons, and added the following to the bottom: “Gay families shop at IKEA too!”
So again, the shrill desire to change the universal meaning of family.
I suppose IKEA could add the silhouette of two guys in ass-less pants, or one guy dressed up as a woman with another in leather and studs – all on display during the parade – but I’m not sure anyone but the author of the sticker would know what the heck that’s all about.
As many posters have already said, it ain’t about the “cause”, it is just a socialist movement to PISS-OFF society. They are, in reality, just TROLLING, and ARE trolls.
Growen men on patrol with their body parts, pathetic alright, but it pisses off the ones they want to piss-off. Others put rings in their tongues, stupid, but it pisses. Drop out of society, like the hippies did, peace-man, free spirit-man, but they will then use the hospitals when their brains are fried. Hospitals that construction workers built. Thumb a ride in cars the auto workers built. Just like the TROLLS, the “in-your-face-wakos” know they are out to lunch, but it pisses society off. That is the whole point. In the end it is they who will inevitably flunk out, just like the hippies. And the rest of us will enjoy the fruits of our labour.
Politicians are now being taken to task as the MSM is exposed by the blogs. The MSM is in fact ONE BIB TROLL. Creat controversy and then perpetuate it.
joanne, I don’t think people are surprised that the teachers are in the gay parade; some of us are upset that they are. Teachers are supposed to teach all as equal and not be selective.
As me no dhimmi and vitruvius have pointed out, these parades have become socialist propaganda events, where socialism publicizes its value system. The socialist value system is a statist system and focused on group homogeneity.
The homogeneity, however, has a specific value system, defined by the top bureaucrats. In Canada, the socialist ideology is cultural relativism, pro-gay, SSM, pro-Kyoto, anti-American. Effectively, it’s pure sophistry, bit on emotional groupie scenes and that’s it.
So, unions, teachers and gov’t bureaucracy, are the basic infrastructure to act as enforcers.
Robert in Calgary – wouldn’t it be possible for these groups to refuse to take part by stating that they serve all people and therefore don’t participate in any ‘single focus’ public events?
One group of pride participants were dressed like Mounties because, “the Mounties always get their man.” – the Star
The Mounties are a Canadian icon being co-oped by gays for their own perverted purpose. But I guess they must like it, given that they too were participants in the parade. But was it to show that they are ‘tolerant’ and believe in ‘diversity’ so much so, that decency laws are suspended? Or is it that they’ve succumbed to the threat and blackmail of being called names? Tolerance, apparently, has its limits.
David Brown,
I try to get away to the cottage every weekend, that’s what it’s for. However, this particular weekend is a time when most sane Torontonians have extra impetus to leave. It’s not a time of pride, but shame for the city.
ET,life here would be a lot easier for all of us if you would STOP seeking out trolls to hijack threads with.How could you POSSIBLY find any value in challenging DB”s pointless,OT barbs(RobR,you too.).
You must of slept through the Trolls 101 class we just finished!
Why do you insist on setting a grand stage for these people to perform who are ONLY here to slag conservatives,and in doing so,ruin many a good thread with mindless partisan b*llsh*t?…with all due respect…
Anyways,to get on topic myself.You all make valid points on politicians aligning themselves with special interest groups for party gains.It brings me to a point I have made on a few threads here,yet have NEVER had any feedback on.(maybe I should try trolling,it sure seems to work!)Let me try once again…
Is there any current or past democracy that works without a party system?…For it is partisanship that is crippling our country and diverting COUNTLESS time and energy that should be put to actually addressing our problems,not just talking FOREVER about them.(healthcare for example)Politicians are too scared of possible political fallout to actually DO anything that may be deemed unpopular,or maybe even just unpartisan.I suspect though that too many in NA enjoy this’bloodsport’too much to consider changing it for the better.A sad thing indeed…
Discrimination is the essence of decision making, if you don’t allow discrimination, no further decisions will be possible. Think about it!
A little satire on the Crotch in your face fest.
http://tinyurl.com/g9978
peter d – are you saying that the basic criteria for acceptance of someone and something else, is only that it is ‘different’.
A criminal is different from me; should I accept him? An islamic fascist is different; should I accept his values?
I think that one should evaluate those ‘differences’ first and then, based on that evauation, conclude whether or not one should accept them.
Consider a small cellular organism. It meets up with another, smaller cellular organism. Should it acknowledge that this second organism is ‘acceptable to eat because it is different’? Or, should it first evaluate that difference, and conclude: ‘hmm, this different thing is poisonous; I don’t think I should accept it’.
Peter D,
“No, but acceptance of people who differ from you is.” (A Canadian value)
Well, I guess many homosexuals, Socialists, Muslims, etc wouldn’t share this particular Canadian value, would they?
Hey, David, without tax funding from the state you are still free to be gay or have all of the illegitimate kids or abortions that you want. If the law protects these activities, why do you need tax payer funding in the equation? You just have to pony up your share of the cost of your decision. A rather responsible action.
Lots of people, in spite of ample opportunities, make stupid choices like drug addiction, single motherhood without dads, inadequate education, poor work habits, crime, etc. Welfare makes it easier to be irresponsible, because the state creates a subsidy for your laziness. And, as a ward of the state subsidy, you in turn need your welfare pimp politician always in office to vote yes for the subsidies. Statism is a circular racket that not all citizens want to be party to. Some of us hard working stiffs would like more of our earnings back, our reward for not being irresponsible. A definately conservative value.
Rob R,
I bet you say that about everything you don’t agree with…ignore the trolls.
ET
Assertion: Conservatism is thew root cause of statism.
What came first the chicken or the egg…well the chicken of course. Animals can evolve and adapt, eggs can not.
Let’s say for arguments sake that Jesus was the first conservative. The Crusades were conservative , the Inquistion was conservative and so was/is every Pope in Rome.
The conservative movement is as old as the hills and twice as dusty.
Liberalism is only a few hundred years old at most and evolved as direct competition to conservatism.
It gained popularity because people were fed up with stuffy and constricting ideology.
Take a moment and ‘blue sky’ what a world would be like that is totally conservative and devoid of any form of liberalism. I have and what I see are countries like Iran and North Korea.
I could care less how many homosexuals have a parade.
I want an open debate and a vote on the legal definition of marriage in Canada.
Personally, I think Canadians should be allowed to have a debate that is ALMOST as revealing and as open as the gay parade is. /sarc
IMO, the NDP and the Liberals backing of the gay agenda will not withstand the facts.
And this will only be revealed in a Parliamentary debate on the importance of having the legal definition of marriage in Canada as being between one husband and one wife.
A million people turn out to watch the parade. Like it or not, that’s a million people that do want to see this and do enjoy it and do have fun.
Is Conservatism about only associating with people exactly like yourself? From views on immigration, gays, religions, etc. it would seem for a good number of conservatives, it is so. Where is the ‘live and let live’ that I’ve been told is also part of the small ‘c’ conservatives?
I think you have your answer from this very thread.
I am amused, however, by the so-called opponents of “identity politics” falling into the obvious trap:
I saw a Children’s Aid float, an Ontario Teacher’s Association float, a CAW float, a CUPE float, and of course- the Fire Department, the Police, and the RCMP were in the parade.
The suggestion here is that there are no gay CAS workers, no gay teachers, no gay CUPE members, no gay firefighters, no gay metro police, no gay RCMP ….
Of course, what we are seeing right here in this thread is a slick slobber of homophobia, right down to the suggestion in several postings that gays are pedophiles, and children are not safe around them.
Sick? Yeah, I feel that way when I see conservatives ooze this much hatred.
Oh. My. God. He used “blue sky” as a verb. That’s disgusting. Get a room, mate.
Vaclav Klaus, who knows a thing or two about totalitarianism, ended his recent award acceptance speech at FEE with the following:
The substance of such ideas and policies are claims and presuppositions that following private self-interest is always wrong, that people are not rational and not moral and should be controlled, guided, and made better by the anointed who know what is good for the rest of us. Thus the rulers acting in the public interest must restrain freedom in favour of higher values and goals they choose to set.
We lived in such a system in the past, but I see its many symptoms again in Europe today, and probably, dare I say, in this country as well.
And finally, there is another danger: the emergence of non-ideological but very aggressive “isms”, which are really quite new. Let me at least name them:
We all care about human rights, but I am afraid of “human rightism”.
We all want to have a healthy environment but I see the danger in environmentalism.
To put it politically correctly, I admire the second gender, but I fear feminism.
We are all enriched by other cultures, but not by multiculturalism.
I am aware of the importance of voluntary associations, but I fear NGOism.
http://www.fee.org/pdf/notes/NFF_0506.pdf
I’ll admit to having a bit of chuckle with his unintended irony in believing he was speaking “politically correctly” in using the phrase “second gender”.
Is Conservatism about only associating with people exactly like yourself?
LIKES ATTRACT! That is how societies are formed.
Deviants create a fringe element that sometimes makes a society interesting. That is what it should be because that is what works!
Canadian Observer – I think that David Brown is not a troll; he’s just incredibly ignorant.
David Brown. Kindly define your terms; what is a conservative; what is a liberal. Until you do that, your posts are without meaning.
N. Korea is an example of totalitarianism.
And, no, a chicken can’t evolve; it’s already existentially closed, as that individual chicken. I’ve never seen a chicken evolve into an eagle. Its eggs, however, can evolve, for they are ‘open data’ which must be organized according to relational patterns to form a distinct entity (the chicken). In the organizational process of generation, fertilization and development, the egg can produce a different entity than the parent.
A million people turned out to watch, just like they turn out to gawk at a car accident and burning building. When will these people discover that they are only accepted for the dollars they spend, and not because they agree with the life style. Iggy should research what happened to Joe Clark after being in the gay parade in Calgary. He just lost what few votes he may have got in the west, and maybe gained some in Vancouver. Is he married, I have never seen or heard about a wife. Maybe he is also a closet gay. Poor Scott, he will have to fight harder for the gay vote now. Neither will ever be the P.M. of Canada. As for the candidates for leader of the libs, is there one that will not support the gay agenda and ssm. Check out the poll in the NP, re would you support a gay pride parade in your city or town. Over 50% vote no.
“The suggestion here is that there are no gay CAS workers, no gay teachers, no gay CUPE members, no gay firefighters, no gay metro police, no gay RCMP”
Ah, no, that isn’t the suggestion.
“Of course, what we are seeing right here in this thread is a slick slobber of homophobia, right down to the suggestion in several postings that gays are pedophiles, and children are not safe around them.”
Really? Where are those suggestions?
“Sick? Yeah, I feel that way when I see conservatives ooze this much hatred.”
You don’t have to stick around if you don’t like what you see, and you won’t be missed.
Very interesting suggestion, canadian observer – not to have a party system.
Hmm. A party system focuses power within a party. The party must garner votes. It must appeal to the population to elect it. I am assuming that you are still in favour of an elected gov’t. What would be the basis for an electorate to vote for X person over Y person?
If we acknowledge that diversity MUST exist in a large population because diversity provides a group with the capacity-to-adapt; that homogeneity provides a basic infrastructure but cannot overwhelm and stifle diversity..then, you have a society with a basic contractual substructure and also, differing opinions.
How would you enable these two different forces – the force of symmetry inducing homogeneity and the force of asymmetry inducing diversity- how would you enable them to operate in your society?
RE: Socialism and the homosexual agenda
Socialists policies embrace eventual death and destruction in their never ending quest to improve our world. /half sarc
I just hope we can keep these no good do gooders out of government for a long long time.
ET,
The Toronto Star would be in full hysteria mode if, say, the RCMP refused to take part.
I can’t see that any explanation of refusal would be accepted.
ET said: Canadian Observer – I think that David Brown is not a troll; he’s just incredibly ignorant.
I think that David Brown does not in fact exist as an actual person. I think he’s a Liberal Platitudes Nickelodeon on a grant.
It was BS when I heard the “1 million” figure used on a newscast yesterday and it’s still BS today.
Another example of homosexual friendly propaganda tossed around without any critical thinking.
From the Toronto facts page
Toronto – 2.5 million, double that for the GTA
# the top four visible minority groups in Toronto were:
* Chinese at 259,710 or 10.6 per cent of our population
* South Asian at 253,920 or 10.3 per cent
* Black at 204,075 or 8.3 per cent
* Filipino at 86,460 or 3.5 per cent
# 49 per cent of Toronto’s population was born outside of Canada, up from 48 per cent in 1996
# new immigrants to Toronto since 1991 number 516,635, representing 21 per cent of our population.
# fully one in five Toronto residents arrived in this country during the 1990s
Man, every time I read the phrase “Pride Parade” or “Pride Week” it gives me the creeps. It’s as if the English language were a doll in a horror movie that’s just spun its head through 720 degrees.
Anyway, I agree with Klaus. For example, I have no quarrel with homosexuality, but I fear homosexualism. I am in favour of conservation and liberty, but I fear conservativism and liberalism. Art, science, law, society, all are things I support, but I fear artism, sciencism, legalism, and socialism. Hell, I’m a libertarian, and I fear libertarianism.
But to really get the punch the concept needs, you have to add “ist” to the end of the words:, as in: homosexualismist, conservativismist, liberalismist, artismist, sciencismist, legalismist, socialismist, and libertarianismist.
“Ismists” are always bad news.
(PS: Sorry about my comment on the blue sky comment. It was off-topic and gratuitous.)
“The suggestion here is that there are no gay CAS workers, no gay teachers, no gay CUPE members, no gay firefighters, no gay metro police, no gay RCMP”
Ah, no, that isn’t the suggestion.
Ah, yes, it is. Here is how the thing was prefaced:
Sent by a reader, who notes that there seemed to be more representation at the parade by government “flunkies” than by gays;
Reading comprehension problems?
“Of course, what we are seeing right here in this thread is a slick slobber of homophobia, right down to the suggestion in several postings that gays are pedophiles, and children are not safe around them.”
Really? Where are those suggestions?
How about:
A teachers’ float there? That’s just sick.
Children’s Aid and Teachers floats? That is really symptomatic of a society that places little value on its children.
yes, all this talk about pride day brings back a special memory….about 10 years ago my kids and I (3 daughters) were enjoying what is called the teddy bears picnic…when i looked up and saw the pride parade ending at the teddy bears picnic..i almost peuked…instead, i grabbed my kids and made a run for it…..unbelievable….
Unbelievable, indeed.
Very good discussion here however i have to agree with concrete, You can have as many parades as you want but I also want a vote again to see just where canadians stand on marital issue.
I have to disagree with david brown if you think a world made up totaly of all Iran, N.Korea like societies I suggest you go & visit those 2countries then come back & let us know if you still think that way.