Miss Universe unwelcome in her hometown? from RobertPhillips.ca
When Canada wins the Miss Universe contest, it's a pretty big story. Why then has the city of Toronto, her hometown, barred Miss Universe from opening a festival over concerns about sexual stereotyping? Miss Universe, Natalie Glebova Glebova was s... [Read More]

Tracked on July 19, 2005 3:45 PM

MISS UNIVERSE IS NOT WELCOME... from Michelle Malkin
...at the town square in Toronto because she has been deemed "degrading to men or women through sexual stereotyping," but Kate at Small Dead Animals points out that Toronto has no problem with these folks prancing around the same gathering... [Read More]

Tracked on July 19, 2005 5:03 PM

Uptight Toronto bureaucrats from Quotulatiousness
Toronto apparently has a bylaw restricting the use of Nathan Philips Square. Who knew? It's being applied to ban the current Miss Universe from opening a Thai festival: "Activities which degrade men or women through sexual stereotyping, or exploit the... [Read More]

Tracked on July 19, 2005 8:13 PM

Toronto Bans Miss Universe from Myopic Zeal
Apparently, Miss Universe is not welcome in Toronto. Natalie Glebova, 23, Toronto’s own queen of the world, was to star at the Tastes of Thailand festival on the weekend. But Kate points out the double standard. ... [Read More]

Tracked on July 20, 2005 8:42 AM

An individual of note from Mark in Mexico
Miss Universe, 23-year-old Natalie Glebova, native of Toronto, Canada, was not allowed to open the Tastes of Thailand festival in Toronto last weekend. [Read More]

Tracked on July 20, 2005 11:59 AM

Rain on your parade from Ghost of a flea
Miss Universe, Natalie Glebova, was briefly barred from opening an event in the square outside Toronto city hall thanks to a fifteen year old city ordinance. Some folks think this displayed an unwarranted hypocrisy considering the skin on display... [Read More]

Tracked on July 22, 2005 7:54 AM

Rain on your parade from Ghost of a flea
Miss Universe, Natalie Glebova, was briefly barred from opening an event in the square outside Toronto city hall thanks to a fifteen year old city ordinance. Some folks think this displayed an unwarranted hypocrisy considering the skin on display... [Read More]

Tracked on July 22, 2005 2:58 PM

Hey, speaking of beauty pageants, Lukiwski's in the final four on Hottest MP. (In case you hadn't noticed.)

Perversion is in at TO City Hall:

perversion

n 1: a curve that reverses the direction of something; "the tendrils of the plant exhibited perversion"; "perversion also shows up in kinky telephone cords" 2: an aberrant sexual practice that is preferred to normal intercourse [syn: sexual perversion] 3: the action of perverting something (turning it to a wrong use); "it was a perversion of justice"
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Burkas are next for all females. The Taliban and the perverts are in charge.

WTF!!!

The City of Toronto forbids Miss Universe from participating in a big event due to concerns her presence will offend some people, but...

Why the feck did the goddamned Moonbat City of Toronto permit that bearded guy to walk down the street, COCK AND ALL (!!!) showing for everyone of ALL AGES TO SEE? WHERE WERE THE POLICE TO ARREST HIM AND ENFORCE THE LAW AGAINST HIM?! I WAS TAUGHT BY THE FECKING LEFT THAT WE ARE ALL EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW! APPARENTLY STRAIGHT PEOPLE ARE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS AND GAY PEOPLE ARE SUPERIOR!

I am so fecking bloody incensed!

Remember that straight women get arrested for simply taking off their tops on hot, humid days!

What say you, gay people reading what I'm writing?

Do you think you're really so bloody special that you can DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT WHEREAS STRAIGHT PEOPLE CANNOT?

WHAT SAY YOU? ARE YOU SURE, NOW THAT YOU SEE THAT STRAIGHTS ARE INDUBITABLY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST RELATIVE TO YOU, THAT WE ARE NOT JUSTIFIED IN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE?

WILL YOU TELL YOUR PEOPLE ALREADY TO KEEP THEIR FECKING CLOTHES ON IN PUBLIC, FOR FECK'S SAKE?!

Human rights, my ASS!

BTW, Kate, I believe my anger is more than warranted. Please don't turf me, ok? Thanks.

What's sadder is that a generation of males is being raised to think that looking at Ms. Reid in a swimsuit makes them a misogynist but looking at the drag queen in the swim suit makes them enlightened and evolved.

I agree. I think it's stupid to have a law that isn't across the board applied. If there is nudity, the police should arrest the person, regardless of their orientation. Has anyone lodged a complaint with the police in TO, and if so, what was the reply?

Such a shame that, while we still have a by-law that says you can't walk a cow down Yonge St., you can parade the likes of THAT one street over. Yowee.

I'm thinking that the by-law of which you speak is the same one that kept the Barenaked Ladies from playing in the square many years ago.

Time for a review, wouldn't you say?

Of course I meant, the lovely Ms. Glebova in a swimsuit.

See, those Rainbow pictures depress me. Turn me into a dejected thinker that humans haven't a chance in Hell to make this enterprise we're embarked upon anywhere near a success. If I had had lunch, it certainly would have left me early, one way or another.
There is always a fringe group of Loonies but when it becomes our elected officials, then what?
To object to a celebration of a pretty, young, talented, sane woman who is fluent and intelligent coming to town to say Hi is scary. More scary because we elected them. What the heck is wrong with us?
The Rainbower's can dance naked under the Moon all they want, as long as they stay away from civilization, who cares.
But how could these freaks in office get there.

Ask the Toronto police to arrest someone in a gay pride parade?

Surely you jest, Todd.

I know you don't endorse this crap, nor do most of my gay friends. Still, i't s pathetic that our politicians and media pretend they don't know how low "gay pride" has sunk.

Todd asked:

"Has anyone lodged a complaint with the police in TO, and if so, what was the reply?"

I believe, Todd, if anyone tried to complain, the police would knock them to the floor, place a knee firmly on their head, shackle them hand and foot and throw them into a cold, dark hole as if they were Osama Fecking Bin Laden.

Remember, Svend Robinson succeeded in having it made law that you cannot say anything at all that's not positive about gay people or else you'll be prosecuted.

Such is the frightening danger of having a leftist fascist dictatorship as we have in Paul Martin's Librano mob.

Kate has a good point. She says most of her gay friends do not endorse that sort of thing of which we're speaking.

This reminds me of a post I made earlier about the good Muslims needing to take a stand against the terrorist Muslims.

I wonder: are the normal gay people afraid to tell the freaks who make them look bad to feck off? If I was one of the former, I would sure as feck tell the annoying naked fools to put their damned clothes back on or go to hell!

Hell, even my three-year-old niece no longer runs around bare-assed. Even SHE understands that it's unacceptable!

And we're talking about fully grown adults here!

I cannot help but go a bit nuts and say a few choice words about ridiculous nonsense like the stupid naked bearded guy walking down the street in defiance of the law and getting away with it thanks to the VLWC!

Stephen,

Actually, I'm all for pride parades and I'm even for people being able to go out scantilly clad. But I am against doing anything that is illegal such as being naked.

I was at the NYC pride parade this summer while on vacation and there were tons of people out having fun. Of all the people in the parade (and keep in mind that I left after 3 hours of watching it), there were maybe 4 or 5 in total which were naked. Now, even though it didn't offend me, I think that if nudity in the streets was illegal, it should have been prosecuted.

Having said that, if you don't want to take the chance of nudity (and some disgusting nudity at taht), just don't go to watch the parade. It's similar to turning off your TV when a show comes on that you don't approve of.

Actually, Stephen and Todd, it is not illegal for women to go topless in Ontario. Remember Gwen Jacob?

And, while banning Miss Universe may be stupid political correctness gone overboard just like Barbara Hall banning the Barenaked Ladies band in the '90s was mistakenly placed political correctness gone overboard (I say mistaken because she actually thought that there would be nudity because of the name of the band and later apologized for her stupidity), the parade route does not actually take place on City Hall property or Nathan Phillips Square, the lands to which the rule applies.

But Kate is otherwise correct about the reception of this in the gay community. There is a real struggle in the gay community over public displays like this. Most want to live and celebrate pretty ordinary lives. For others it is a conscious political statement: look at me, I have nothing to hide, I'm a full human just like you, there is nothing to be afraid of. And yes alas, for others it is an in-your-face kind of statement: i.e. you've rejected my lifestyle so I'm going to do what I can to force it in your face. If you've seen the parades over the years, there is less and less and less of that. As a friend put it to me, the more gays are accepted by society the more they feel attached and responsible to it.

Todd: that's about the same number who go nude at the Toronto parade as well (not counting the scantily clad as nude of course).

WOOHOO!!! Thanks for the porn Kate :)

Actually, Todd, I do NOT bother to view the parades. I have absolutely nothing against people being gay if they so choose, but I personally see no need in the world for such parades, especially if straights are going to be forbidden to have one of their own.

So our major agreement is that breaking the law should be prosecuted, regardless of who's doing the lawbreaking.

Most importantly, though, don't you see the extreme unfairness, besides, between Miss Universe being banned and the bearded naked dumbass getting to do whatever the hell he feels like? Remember, this is not an isolated incident. This happens all over the country every day, mostly unreported by the MSM (no big surprise!).

Todd, so then according to your logic, shouldn't the bureaucratic pencil necks in Toronto just turn their heads away or "change the channel" when Natalie Glebova, Miss Universe, shows up in a sash and tiara (fully dressed I'm sure)?

Well?

I do indeed remember the Gwen Jacob case. That was the only time I got to see bare boobies on the news. It was surreal!

But the toplessness is strictly controlled, whereas the guy with the dangling-all-over-the-place tallywhacker can do it in a provocative, sexually suggestive manner whereas the women cannot do it like that with their boobies.

So I maintain there is extreme unfairness here.

Besides, it is only in Ontario, as far as I know, that women are permitted a bit more equality to men in this respect.

Stephen -- who said that you can't have a 'straight pride' parade? Is there anyone preventing you from doing this? I believe there was one held in Regina a few years ago. You are welcome to organize one and have it.

Doug - I agree with you. They should allow Miss Universe to appear. It's a stupid bureaucratic decision made for stupid reasons.

And, TB, it is Irrelevant what route the parade actually took. Irrelevant, notice the capital I?

The fact is that it is IN PUBLIC. Let's not start splitting hairs like the leftist sophists.

Still damned unfair.

Todd, I haven't heard of any straight pride parade in Regina. Again, no surprise- would the MSM treat it equally compared to its gay counterpart? Not a fecking chance!

Plus, I DID read about an attempt to have a straight pride parade in Yellowknife recently, but it was scratched due to leftist pressure, I believe.

And, just for the record, I personally do not wish to organize such a parade, but I sure hope some people do try. I doubt if it will be permitted by the leftofascists, though.

"Having said that, if you don't want to take the chance of nudity (and some disgusting nudity at taht), just don't go to watch the parade. It's similar to turning off your TV when a show comes on that you don't approve of."

Not so Todd. Tv is in the privacy of your home. A parade is in the public view. By accident any person could be in the area where the parade is taking place should not be confronted with nudity.

Someone tried for a straight pride parade in Vancouver, when he came back the second time after being told no, he was told if he came back again they would charge him with inciting hatred, yes equal rights indeed

City Journal
Why Theo Van Gogh Was Murdered

The filmmaker focused on the shameful abuse of Muslim women by Muslim men in Europe.

Theodore Dalrymple

15 November 2004
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_11_15_04td.html

See! Demanding our equal rights as straights is deemed by the leftofascist moonies as "inciting hatred"!

Anyone have more info like that?

Stephen -- there was a straight pride parade in Regina a few years back. I believe about 10 people or less were in it. The local media did cover it. You don't expect that a parade of 10 people would be covered by the MSM as much as a parade with watchers going over 1/2 million, do you?

I also looked up the Yellowknife case. There was nothing about a parade mentioned. There was a Gay Pride Day motion passed and then a councillor asked for a Heterosexual Day to be passed. He withdrew his motion later. I don't believe he had to -- he chose to. Yes, there probably was pressure, but if he truly believed in the need for a Heterosexual day, he should have pursued it.

Here's the details:

http://resist.ca/story/2005/6/1/112022/3617

Okay, that's enough for now. If I don't go have some dinny, I'll be a blogging skeleton.

Later.

No offence MikeP, but you really couldn't accidentally be in the vicinity of the Toronto Pride Parade. Yonge St. and Church St. are completely jammed up 5-10 people deep. There is no getting around downtown Toronto that day. ;-)

And Stephen, not trying to split hairs. Kate quoted the prohibition rules for City Hall and the type of events permitted on its own public square. There is simply no similar rule for privately organized parades, even if it is the City that issues a route permit. Plus, I would be very surprised if a hetero pride parade received the kind of physically, police-enforced violence that Gay Pride Parades' received in the early years. They convinced people over many years and it has become a generally very successful and accepted part of the City's summer festival season. Frankly, I think that most of the people who go out to see the parade (by far, mostly heterosexuals) are there for the colour and spectacle of it (albeit, not the few nudes). Sure there would be opposition to your hetero pride parade, but really I think your biggest problem would be getting heteros interested.

Just for the record, June Rowlands was the mayor of Toronto during that Barenaked Ladies incident.

The Pride parade pictures are from 2002. Mel Lastman was mayor at that time. Things were out of control on the Pride front in those days.

That being said, Ms Universe should be welcomed with open arms to The Square. Hell, she's pretty, smart, and she's a Torontonian. The fact that she made the daft decision to validate herself in a beauty pageant shouldn't be held against her.

PS, if you want to demonstrate your Straight Pride, you can always buy a t-shirt or 'hoodie' from http://straightpride.ca. It seems from their 'About Us' page though that they are more against gay marriage and civil unions than being proud of being straight.

I dunno. If you don't like gay pride parades, don't go to them. What's the big deal?

I don't like sausages, saurkraut and beer, so I don't go to Oktoberfest.

Ok... well... I lied about two of those. I do like sausages and saurkraut. Never mind.

Straight "pride" is funny that way, Todd. More about attack than pride.

Those awful straights, eh? Why, no gay would ever vandalize a church, or label someone as a homophobe or a racist or a Nazi because that person disagreed with him. Could never happen. Yes, we have so much to learn from those wise good gays.

TB, I'm afraid I must take issue with your words:

"Straight "pride" is funny that way, Todd. More about attack than pride."

That sounds like an incitement of hatred against heterosexuals. I hope not, however, as since I'm not a lefty extremist I will not automatically assume it is as such.

Perhaps you'd like to explain what you meant. Of course, it could just be an attempt at funny. But I didn't see any humor in it.

I'm glad to see you're back, "Lickmuffin". I was afraid I had so offended you in that exchange a while back that you may have quit SDA.

If I had insulted you, I apologize. I had no intention of doing so.

After all, it's ok to disagree. Isn't that the Canadian way? Hmm. Perhaps it once was, but with the way things are going in society today, I'm not so sure. I'm thinking of the Svend Robinson law forbidding anyone from saying anything remotely negative about sexual minorities or even any of their behaviors.

A funny thing: I was almost ready to, with irony, of course, suggest that you were inciting hatred of German people, of whom I am one by ancestry (Black Forest, actually). Then you spoiled it by saying you were kidding about not liking sauerkraut and beer. :-)

Welcome back, LM.

And, LM, you mentioned sausages. Funny that you did. There's a picture of a sausage taken at the parade. Man, all this fast, hot discussion all because of a tiny, pathetic-looking old sausage!

What next? Over to ya, Kate!

BTW, LM, I wasn't making an "ad hominem" wrt the sausage. It has nothing to do with you. Just being funny!

The idolatry of perversion is another totem of the Left. Homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. Gay marriage advocacy is a cult of perversion. Pornography is an idolatry of perversion. Much of television, movies, and the literary culture of the Leftist elite in print, are nothing more than a cleverly masked promotion of their Marxist cult (that is to say, masked much like actors of ancient Greek drama).

The Left is properly identified with a 'confederacy of deceivers (and perverts) that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavor, by obscure and erroneous doctrines.'

The Left is obsessed with erecting idols, images and symbols to hide their agenda(s), as well as to expand their congregation in these cults of perversion...
http://www.freerepublic.com/~sirfrancisdashwood/

Hey Stephen:

Believe it or not, I am with you on this one. This is beyond belief!

Just a thought people( and I mean people in a non-gender specific, non-anything sort of way), would Toronto Silly Hall have banned Miss Thailand from opening the Tastes of Thailand festival???
Oh, BTW, I prefer the term Procreation Challenged as opposed to Procreation Disabled. Must be PC about PC. Arrrgh!

Stephen,

Below find a part of 319, the hate laws in Canada:

319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Wilful promotion of hatred
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Defences
(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

(b) if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by argument an opinion on a religious subject;

(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or

(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

--

So basically I read this as preserving religious freedom to make statements, unless those religious statements are like "God tells us to go kill gays".

What you call the "Svend Robinson law" (C-250, formerly C-415), is simply this:

1. Subsection 318(4) of the Criminal Code is replaced by the following:

Definition of ``identifiable group''
(4) In this section, ``identifiable group'' means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation .

Just so everyone can see the details.

Toronto apology for banning Miss Universe from city hall
Last updated Jul 19 2005 04:55 PM EDT
CBC News

Mayor David Miller issued an apology Tuesday to Miss Universe after the city barred her from opening a festival over concerns about sexual stereotyping

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SDA leads the pack.....

Awesome post Kate: I've locked horns with you on some other issues, but your approach in this case is hard hitting and exquisit. Your juxtaposition using photos and logic is perfect!

Maz2, funny you mentioned "erecting"... remember there's an awful picture of something to which that word could potentially apply. Of course, not all sausages can... in which case, ya gotta feel sorry for the stupid bearded owner of said sausage...

Go ahead. It's ok to laugh. There's no bad blood around here. Some of us just like to make an important point by getting attention... like myself, but the champion is Kate... take a bow, K!

Hey, how about that! Top moonbat David Miller, fascist dictator of Toranna, just apologized for his poopheaded discrimination against a straight woman!

Mr. Miller must have been alerted to our little debate!

If so, hey, WE WHO BLOG ARE MORE RELEVANT AND POWERFUL THAN THE MSM!

HEAR US ROAR!

Old Mother: I believe it.

After all, simply disagreeing on one thing doesn't mean we'll disagree on everything, right?

BTW, did you find the little furry woofy guy a bone? I just gotta know! I do love doggies!

Do y'all understand why there's such a disconnect between Toronto and the ROC? Who needs 'em, right? What a humourless pit that city is (ex-Torontonian BTW). But remember, the Barenaked Ladies were fully clothed but equally unappreciated in that armpit of the world.

Todd, thanks for the provision of the legislation info above.

I understand what it's intended to say.

But I also understand that what the elected representatives of the people say in legislation is subject to dangerously gross misinterpretaion by the unelected political hacks, perhaps unqualified as judges, who sit so uppitily behind a big, high wooden desk holding a hammer and wearing an ominous black cloak.

If I was in such an enormously invincible position, kinda like Darth Vader or Kim Il Dung (or whatever his name is, the Newman-from-Seinfeld-looking-guy-with-nukes from North Korea), I, too, might feel free to deem whatever the damn fecking bloody hell I please against the powerless, trembling little peasants down at whom I glower...

Stephen, then I assume the problem you have is not with the legislation but the judges. I just wanted to show that the legislation itself (and here, I'm saying just my opinion) doesn't look scary itself.

You SDA people are nuts. Its funny the way you put all of Toronto down, given the not so subtle sex jokes all the way through this thread, I believe there's plenty of sublimation here. Kind of tittilated, eh? But we in Toronto are so PC liberal, what with our art galleries, museums and theatres and you with your park trailers and doritos and sausages. You love those sausages.

SMcA, etc., are you really Jack Layton? You kinda sound like you could be. Still living in Ontario subsidized housing?

FORNICATE YOU, ORIFICE NESTLED BETWIXT GLUTEUS MAXIMII!

BEGONE, STINKING, SCREECHING MOONBAT OUT OF HELL!

'TIS THEE WHO ART NUTS!

With all due respect... like feck! :-)

Mrs. Thatcher, how in the hell could one possibly think I could be that...

I better shut my yap... the Vast, Left-Wing Conspiracy, of which you could even be a part, would sue my ass right the hell off!

I bet Jacko himself is following this comment thread and cannot help but laugh himself silly... ditto David Miller... and, Paulie M., are you here also? If so, well, let me say, enjoy 24 Sussex Drive like there's no tomorrow, because Stephen is soon moving in... Harper, of course! Are you here, too, Stephen? You da man! Get right on to whipping Paul's bum! And say hi to Stock for me!

Ya bin warned, Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Nope, Todd. The legislation itself certainly looks perfectly decent to me.

It's what the Liberal Party of Canada has done to the judiciary that is scary... I believe one of our SDA regulars explained that the judiciary is actually effectively a branch of the so-called "Natural Governing Party". What do you expect as obedient Canadian taxpaying slaves look the other way when the Liberal PMs appoint their good friends the party loyalists?

Seems fruit bats and moonbats are related....they both come out at the first hint of home grown parochial narcissism.

A nice Christian father just beat his son to death because he was afraid the boy might be gay.

The boy was three.

Others backed up the mother's testimony on the first day of the capital murder trial of Ronnie Paris Jr, 21, of Tampa, Florida. Paris is accused of physically abusing the toddler until the boy slipped into a coma.
"He was trying to teach him how to fight," the boy's aunt, Shanita Powell, told the court. "He was concerned that the child might be gay."

"He didn't want him to be a sissy," Shelton Bostic, the defendant's Bible-study friend, testified.

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBW7PUT5BE.html

Well, I hope everyone is enjoying SDA now.

I wouldn't be surprised if Warren Kinsella and Scott Reid are now holed up in an emergency meeting with Supreme Overlord Paul in a Toronto hotel room (yet again with the hotel rooms!) to plot new survival strategy.

Oh, wait... maybe Warren is cackling gleefully at the stuff I'm saying... maybe he'll participate along with Yours Truly under a pseudonym to help me bring down the Forces of Darkness...

Good post, Stephen McAllister's Nuts. Such tragedies as the beating death of a three-year old by his idiot father can only be stopped when Miss World She-Male can sit naked on the hood of a car driving down Mainstreet Canada.

That'll show dad who's a sissy.

That is a horrible thing, the father beating a THREE-year-old because of a suspected orientation.

The father may be insane. He should get emergency psychiatric help. No sane person, Christian or otherwise, could do such a thing.

BTW, I would appreciate you making full disclosure as to who you truly are. Otherwise, people will consider you a coward. But it's entirely up to you. I have the courage to provide my true name and email address. Do YOU? It would be infinitely more honorable and credible to do so rather than insulting me as you're doing.

And it would be a very dumb error to assume I'm an idiot or a fanatic. I am an ordinary, law-abiding, university-educated Canadian having a hard time getting started making a really decent living so I can pay off my student debts, which is very difficult to do when the Librano crooks confiscate so much of my so little hard-earned money and then give it to their friends.

And affirmative action? It is nothing but another monstrous Liberal-left LIE! Trust me; I know very well!

EBD,

Is it redundant to say that the idiot father is against SSM? Perhaps showing the dad who the real sissy is will pit the "dad" against somebody his own size.

What are you, anonymous person, a bigot?

Once again, for your own credibility: WHO ARE YOU?

Are you an extremist bigot who believes only imposed leftofascist dogma is an acceptable creed?

Who in the hell has ever been offended my Miss Canada or Miss Universe... ever in history?
If people like that actually exist, how was this influence successful in shunning a hot person we should(how did we even end up talking about this) all be proud of.

I was not aware that toronto city hall imposed a taliBAN style rule...

I'll hold the above in suspended abeyance until you respond to the preceding post I made.

Knight, I think I'm in a discussion right now with someone who may be offended by the concept of a beauty pageant winner. It's possible.

People, I'm afraid I'm going to have to sign off for the night. I have to work tomorrow. Hard. Therefore I require sleep.

Please continue.

i just don't know what to say about this... it's just so... I don't konw... It's just sort of, so.... Canadian!

Off Topic:
Is anyone having trouble bringing up US blogs? Michelle Malkin, InstaPundit, even Drudge (I know, not a blog) time out. Is is just my connection or is the US Supreme Court nominee announcement at 9:00 PM causing all the slowdowns?

I sent an email earlier today and this was the rapid response I got:

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Thank you for your email letter.

The Mayor believes that staff interpretation of the bylaw was too strict and Miss Universe should have been allowed to participate in Sunday's event with her tiara and sash.

Mayor Miller will also be personally calling Miss Universe to apologize.

Once again, thank you.
Joanne Miller

--------------------------------------------

Personally, I think Miller was blindsided by the acts of an overzealous staff. After all, he has people like Jack's wife working for him.

Frankly, I've never seen a gay pride parade, but the whole thing strikes me as ghastly. Yuch!

A bigger bunch of sickos I've never seen. I might even prefer the Islamists over the bunch of ingrates running the city of Toronto.

Ah, but I forgot, the jihadis are probably aligned with the Toronto leftists. The good news is that when the jihadis get control you want have to worry about gay pride parades, or gays for that matter. The bad news is that all the women will be dressed in sacks and you want have to worry about sashes either. Can't win for losing!

Why not strike two birds with one stone and run the next gay parade pass each toronto mosque?

That ought to get a frank discussion going. ;)

In the good old days in a real country, or a real city, Canadians would have been proud that one of their citizens had been crowned Miss Universe. Apparently today Toronto the Good has become Toronto the Queer.

I just threw up in my mouth a little :(

In Isaac Azimov's Epic novel "Foundation Trilogy" he describes a jupiter sized planet near the center of our Galaxy which housed the Galactic government. The entire planet was one giant office buiding.
And guess what it's name was" ... Trantor.
Of course it was as despised by the rest of the Galaxy as Toronto is by anone who doesn't or can't stomach living there.

Regarding Toronto's big, fat, hairy feminist Berkenboot crowd. We like beautiful women even if you find them horribly threatening.

Trust me on this one, Duke. Most of us Torontonian men do not find them threatening. Especially ones like Natalie Glebova! ;-)

This post and the vast majority of comments contained therein highlight the duplicitious nature of the left. As such, they are deemed discriminatort and homophobic. Shame on you. As a good citizen of Cannuckistan I have to demand that they be removed lest you face the wrath of the social engineers!

We really shouldn't be so shocked. This is the same city with the political culture that supported a duck hunter registry but axed Fantino, one of the few cops that actually had a decent view of the crime situation. Welcome to TO, the city where you'll here "duuuh" in a hundred different languages. . .

Miss Universe is our "straight pride" parade why is this banned?

Nancy, with respect to her "daft decision to validate herself" I had thought along the same lines until I heard the package she gets for the year.

Not so daft. I believe a $250k US modelling contract, an apt in NY, travel all over the place... Nice break after finishing college, wouldn't you say?

As a westerner (and straight, by the way)the only good news to come out of the terrorist stuff is that, if they strike in Canada it would be either Toronto ,Montreal or Ottawa.

Horny Toad

"A nice Christian father just beat his son to death because he was afraid the boy might be gay."

And guess what, Mr. "Stephen McAlister is Nuts"? Murder is not only just as illegal in Florida as it is in Canada, but it's also punishable by death, which is what the state is seeking (that's what "capital murder" means) and what one hopes the jury will give this vile waste of space.

"The city where you'll hear 'duuuh' in a hundred different languages.." -- That's really funny, Liam.

Um, but I'm not laughing. Not until I check the rulebook.

Templar
"I might even prefer the Islamists over the bunch of ingrates running the city of Toronto."
Duhhhh? Who is to say Islamists do not work for the city of Toronto. Who do you "prefer" then?
It is a legitamate question.
Anyway, have fun in toronto(the leafs will start losing soon enough.)

p.s EDB I am

Mac All
"WE WHO BLOG ARE MORE RELEVANT AND POWERFUL THAN THE MSM! HEAR US ROAR!"

Uhhh yea, reading or writing on blogs requires more intelligence and eyesight than vocal abillity... or hearing.

p.s MSM is relevant. That is why it is called "mainstream".

Knight says:

"Uhhh yea, reading or writing on blogs requires more intelligence and eyesight than vocal abillity... or hearing."

Coincidentally, you have hit the nail on the head!

It makes a big difference to use intelligence and eyesight and to take one's time to get stuff in writing rather than wasting one's breath on lefties like the anonymous commentor who likes to say I'm nuts. They don't listen anyway, no matter the eloquent brevity with which I speak to them.

As for hearing, actually, I have none. Yup, can't hear a thing since I survived meningitis at age five. It's no biggie, though. I simply picked myself up, dusted myself off and continued onward pretty much as if nothing had changed. All one needs is to speak normally and read lips. And believe it or not, I never bothered to learn sign language. I don't even know the alphabet thereof!

And forget about "affirmative action". It's one of the most irresponsible leftist myths of all. It doesn't happen. What does happen is patronage, cronyism and nepotism. The state has received my resume many times over the years and has even seen the exceptional performance I made when I temped with them. They are ignoring me. And the private sector? Either they know AA is a myth or there's just not enough opportunity going around in the Maritimes for everyone with higher education. Ironically, I'm currently employed by a company run by Libs...

This is Paul Martin's Canada. Hope y'all see a little better where I'm coming from. Plus I will have credibility if AA comes up for discussion.

BTW, it's "Mc Al". There's no "Mac".

SMc, I was responding to an earlier blog from somebody abusing your name by adding 'is nuts' or something, thus, the 'etc.'. I would never ever mistake you for mini-me Layton. Sacre bleu, it would be the greatest insult. The fake you was extolling the virtues of Hogtown and its PC-ness, and sounding so smug and self-righteous, I naturally assumed he was Layton in drag.

Well, let me know if it keeps happening. If it's not enough to be anonymous, and one feels they need to appropriate others names, or use them for ridicule, they can be sent elsewhere.

Utterly embarassing as a Canadian. Not only has the city of Toronto demonstrated they don't care about beauty pageants but that they feel participants degrade the "image" of city hall. Uh huh.

"Activities which degrade men or women through sexual stereotyping, or exploit the bodies of men,boys or girls solely for the purpose of attracting attention, are not permitted on Nathan Phillips Square"

Hmmm, well at least this should keep Belinda Stronach away from TO city hall. She can keep her stylish shoes and nice clothes off of the square. :) Don't worry Torontonians, Edmonton can't elect decent aldermen and mayors either.

Hey, Fool, just be glad you don't have Dar(th)Heatherington as a councillor !

I'm laughing at the comment on the "2002 Toronto Gay Pride Parade" gallery, made by eb2005 -
"Beautiful gallery. Well done with taste."

Ugly ass old men, strolling down the street with their tiny peckers swinging in the wind is high class! Oh, oh, and the dude with the foam tube fished through his his underwear just screams "hish cotton"!

Freaks.

I wouldn't go anywhere near a Gay Pride parade in a trillion years so I'm not going to make any comment about it except to say this:

The "usual culprits" seem to believe we can save our sorry Canadian butts from Islamist terror attacks just by staying out of the Middle East, keeping our distance from George and Tony and allowing the people of Israel to be shoved into the Mediterranean.

It might not occur to them that a Gay Pride parade such as this one is like a red flag to the Islamists (and, for that matter, ordinary Muslims): the decadence and corruption of our society "in flagrante delicto" as it were.

I for one would prefer to be fully clothed if there were going to be an attempted martyr bombing at my parade...

Is it just me or is the idea of a Straight Pride parade hilarious?

I'm picturing a parade with the motto "We're straight, we're great, and we can procreate". The parade would need to have GUYS on motorbikes and WOMEN dancing. Perhaps there would be some Hooters girls and cheerleaders tossing bras into the crowd. For the ladies, put some cowboys on horses in there.

Then there would need to be a family section of course. The parents would need to herd the kids through the parade route. The fathers would need to be in shorts, sandals, and black socks and pushing lawnmowers. The mothers would need to be pushing shopping carts or baby carriages.

Glad I could add to the discussion. :)

I'm sure there's nothing quite so Canadian as hating Toronto. I've lived all over the country (primarily in the Maritimes) and in T.O. for the last 3 years. The great Canadian myth is that T.O. is evil.

And just as an aside, there's been an effort made in the last few years to brand the parade as simply "Pride" and not "Gay Pride". A celebration of differences, as it were.

As a straight male Canuck, I find some aspects of the parade tiresome and over the top, but it's nice to see so many different people getting along.

Hard to imagine this sort of open-minded tolerance occuring on a large scale in Red Deer, Fredericton, Barrie, or Charlottetown.

Yes, JJM, we are all going to start living our lives by being worried about being targets for terrorist bombings. By the same point, I assume that you will never step into a bar or liquor store as you're like to get blown to smithereens if you got here as well.

Not to worry, Madam Thatcher and Kate. Truth be told, I was on quite a helluva roll yesterday. I expected a fool or two to take me on. Actually, I have an extremely thick skin. It's really hard to offend me. But I relish the chance to put those especially dense moonies in their place. I was pleased to deal with the impostor myself!

Kate, I notice the number of posts in this thread, and I believe this one makes 94. Is this a record? If not, what is the record?

Must go. Am at work. Time is money, after all!

Approaching 100 comments in this thread. What does that say about Canadians?

Canadians are really motivated by matters related to sexuality?

Our freedoms, that we take for granted, are at risk. Our tax wealth continues to be leaked into private bank accounts or wasted on Million dollar studies that are shelved when the heat on government cools.

That gal on the float has a great body!
It's kind of sad that she is gay.

Come to think of it, if we guys are honest about it, female anatomy has always been a favorite study.

Information Commissioner John Reid's lawsuit regarding Chretien's agenda books is very interesting too. Ottawa Citizen July 19-2005. and BendGovt.blog.ca 73s TG

Todd is well aware that the protection for religious opinion that he is peddling so hard has been read out of that section by the Ontario Court of Appeal. There is in fact no protection for religious opinion. And no requirement to show any actual harm or threat.

Why do you think Todd is lying to us so flagrantly? Is he ashamed of the truth? Or is obsessive lying merely part of the package of hate-crazed insanities we call homosexuality?

Tony G. said:

"Come to think of it, if we guys are honest about it, female anatomy has always been a favorite study."

I wholeheartedly agree, Tony. I must confess this is one masterpiece of mother nature I find most fascinating. I simply cannot turn away from lovely ladies.

Sounds like you and I are prime examples of regular guys: obsessed with bodies by Pininfarina, Giugiaro, Bertone, Zagato, etc. and those of the human female persuasion by Mommanature.

Hmm. Now I bet I'm gonna get flamed by a couple of moonie feminazis who probably participate in the kind of parades we've examined above, except with the kind of chassis we'd rather sell for five bucks than leave rusting at the backs of our driveways.

Hey, if it's okay for some kinds of people to objectify their bodies and view others doing the same in such incredibly pathetic manners, shouldn't it also be okay for regular, straight, thirtysomething guys (my own age anyway) like us to lovingly look on as Miss Universe leads another kind of event, whom the damn fools in TO forbade?

Or, as the case sometimes will be, Jenna Jameson or Kylie Wylde or Avy Scott or Belladonna...

Putting on my fireproof suit now... :-)

Amen

And that brought the number of posts to a perfect 100!

This makes 101.

I'm stunned at the level of the comments in here -- and I'm not talking numerically, but the degree of hatred. Unbelieveable. I won't be back.

Don't take them too seriously, Becky. I mean these guys are patting themselves on the back for showing their manliness for being attracted to the people in the two photos and I don't think they even realize that one of them is a guy. And this is your area of favourite study Tony G??

Fool Westerner: That was the funniest comment I've read yet. Love your sense of humour. Much needed after all the serious stuff that we've been discussing on other threads.

ebt, can you point me to where they were read out of the section? I would like to read up on it. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know about it.

Are you too stupid to find it yourself? Or too lazy?

Becky, there's no hatred here whatsoever. If you haven't yet left, please point out exactly where you think you see any.

Not every strong-sounding statement or challenge you will hear in your life is hateful. You must understand this to survive in the hard, hard world where only those who obediently toe the line set forth by the state are allowed to have a good life (almost the case anyway).

Or, with all due respect, have you not yet learned to think for yourself and realize that it's okay to criticize the whole political correctness thing when it is oppressive of regular people like me who will no longer take the abuse via the unfair treatment of my people relative to the people in the parade who get to break the law with gaudy impunity just because left wing extremists say that's the way it should be?

EBT, friend, we need to take a deep breath sometimes. Can you remember where you learned of the reading-out of religious rights from, what did you say again it was, the Charter?

I find it interesting as it would obviously PROVE what I have been saying about the judiciary lately.

ebt, I'm with Stephen and Todd on this one. I can't find the reference. I even work at a law office here and have additional resources, and the constitutional lawyers around here are not familiar with the case to which you refer. So on behalf of Todd, Stephen, me and a few experts, please just post the link for us.

Thanks.

"Then there would need to be a family section of course. The parents would need to herd the kids through the parade route. The fathers would need to be in shorts, sandals, and black socks and pushing lawnmowers. The mothers would need to be pushing shopping carts or baby carriages."

May I add to the above:

...The teenage boys and girls proudly walk along together, happily grabbing ass, boobies and dong and Frenching like there's no tomorrow; the girls occasionally lifting their tops for the edification of the boys...

Yes, that is who we are, the straight people who are very, very proud of the way we are and dream of having a parade, taxpayer funded and no police harassment whatsoever no matter what laws against indecency are broken... it is who we are and everyone should embrace it as beautiful...

BTW, the black socks worn by the fathers are knee-high. The sillier the daddies look the better. Can't look too silly, can they? It's the way they like to be. Even if us non-dads never understand the daddy guys' ways... :-)

Stephen,

Your parade sounds a lot like Mardi Gras in N'awlins.

Can anything be more ridiculous than two daddies in gold lame thongs?

"That gal on the float has a great body!
It's kind of sad that she is gay."

Ummm... Tony... did you read what "her" sash says? Miss Shemale World...

ew. I think I just threw up a little.

Todd, hey, you got the idea! Mardi Gras could be considered a straight fun parade of sorts.

However, the straights are brutally arrested for just a little flashing of boobies or bum-bum or peniepipe or pussywussy.

See the difference between the way gays and straights are treated?

"Can anything be more ridiculous than two daddies in gold lame thongs?"

Iron Lady asked.

I answer: yes. Two daddies in gold lame thongs and knee-high black socks and sandals.

Stephen Mc: Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Threw me right off my Yellowtail Merlot. I'll have to finish the rest of the bottle just to make sure it's what you said and not what's in the bottle. Now, if you're talking gold lame knee high stilleto boots, perhaps....

Hmmm, Iron Lady, gold lame knee-high stiletto boots? Do you happen to have a pair? Do you wear them? With what else? What accessories go with that wonderful ensemble?

I'm trying to take advantage of a drunken chick here... ;->

Perhaps it's time to visit a different kind of site for a little while...

Iron Lady, BTW, try Concha Y Toro Casillero del Diablo Merlot from Chile. You'll looove it! I mean, right now! Bottoms up!

;->

Hey, looks like we straighties are openly carrying on with stuff WE like...

Perhaps our liberation is nearing...

tHESE MISS AMERICA CONTESTS BUG THE FEMINAZIS AND THIS CRAP GOING ON SHWS JUST WHAT A BUNCH OS JERKS THESE GAY FREAKS ARE

Holly smokes, who thought that (some) lezzies could be that attractive.I thought one of the prerequesites of being a lezzie was that you had to look, well, kinda like ugilie.

Horny Toad

"Were straight, were great and we can pro-create"
(borrowed from someone else)

Hey Horn
Hate to break it to you those lezzies are dudes!

Vagabond stated:
"I'm sure there's nothing quite so Canadian as hating Toronto...The great Canadian myth is that T.O. is evil...Hard to imagine this sort of open-minded tolerance occuring on a large scale in Red Deer, Fredericton, Barrie, or Charlottetown."

Are you seriously indicating that mean ol' Canadians are unfairly characterizing Toronto?!? We like to make fun of Toronto for electing Mel Lastman but don't pretend that there aren't jokes about 'weed-smoking' BC'ers, redneck Albertans, those complaining Quebeckers, and you can't forget the Newfie jokes.

In your last sentence, you have also unfairly characterized sections of the country as not being as tolerant as Toronto. I think you might be surprised. Face it, the Calgary Stampede parade already has the cowboys, indians, and cops. If you add some construction workers and a few soldiers, we'd have a Village People parade. Seriously though, Calgary also recently held a successful gay pride parade. No lynchings!

The dialogue in this topic is very specific in that it relates to the appropriate attire for public events - gay or otherwise. I did some work in the middle east last year...I don't think most of them even know where Canada is, much less care about our parades.

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Fool says "you have also unfairly characterized sections of the country as not being as tolerant as Toronto"

Actually, having lived or spent significant amounts of time in the locations mentioned, my experience has been these places are not as tolerant as Toronto.

I also won't pretend that there aren't jokes or stereotypes about every part of the country; regionalism is one of the hallmarks of being a Canuck. But once again, in my experience, no place is so universally reviled as Toronto, with the possible exception of Quebec.

But most of the folks I know who revile T.O. have never spent any significant time here. Which seems (if you'll pardon the pun) foolish to me.

OK Vagabond, you may have specific reasons for your opinions on specific places. Your specific use of the terms 'hate' and 'revile' with regards to opinions of Toronto makes it sound like you are intolerant of their views. No region of Canada 'hates' another region. You may be indicating that Toronto is a large city with more multicultural communities and therefore people from different backgrounds are more used to their differences and get along easier. Congrats TO, you are so incredibly huge.

My point would be that TO city hall did not exhibit tolerance when it judged Miss Universe of demeaning city hall. Mel Lastman wasn't exhibiting tolerance when he stated the following

- When have you ever heard the United States take the blame for anything? This is no different. (2003 blackout)
-What the hell do I want to go to a place like Mombassa?... I just see myself in a pot of boiling water with all these natives dancing around me. (Before going to Kenya to promote Olympic bid)
- They don't know what they're talking about. I don't know who this group is. I've never heard of them before. I had never seen them before. Who did they talk to? They haven't even been to Toronto. They're located somewhere in Geneva. And they haven't talked to us all. They read the papers and sometimes the papers exaggerate. (referring to WHO advisory on Toronto during SARS crisis)

When Dar Heatherington wigged out in Lethbridge, she was hounded until she stepped down. Conversely, Mel Lastman was elected twice. If Toronto REALLY is such a tolerant city, put your money where your mouth is and MAKE your elected officials reflect that tolerance. Did David Miller really not know beforehad that Miss Universe planned on coming to city hall?

I hate to break up your, ahem, parade but the Mayor of Toronto has apologized and made it clear Ms. Reid is welcome.

So that makes Toronto intellectually and politically consistent on this subject. Which is more than I can say for many of the comments to this post or, for that matter, the rest of Canada which apparently still has a lot to learn from downtown Toronto. Seriously folks, in a world where religious maniacs want to blow us to kingdom come, if you think this stuff is worth getting het up about (ha ha, I make joke) you need to get your priorities straight (har har, I slay me).

I beg your pardon. Of course, I meant Ms. Glebova.