49 Replies to “SWTE: Kate Endorses A Liberal”

  1. Sorry Kate but a Liberal is a Liberal is ….. What about the daycare program, EI, the Military (he did not say if we were to help the US and the Aussies et. al., or if we would just stand on the sidelines), or the payoffs to Liberal cronies or all of the other good things produced by these thieves and liars.
    Your endorsement is a bit, if not a whole lot, shortsighted.
    CRB

  2. Just saw a new poll on CTV, not on website yet, I suppose they are waiting until the 1100 EST broadcast. The poll has the Tory party 9 points ahead, the Lib party down to 29%!

  3. Great post! For two reasons. 1)You stand for integrity even if it comes from a Liberal. 2)You could scare enough lefties into voting NDP to elect a Conservative.

  4. When martin attacks conservatives, he attacks half of the liberal slate of candidates;
    this begs the questions: what’s the difference between a blue liberal and a conservative? It’s not the military, it’s not SSM, it’s not Iraq or gun control or taxes.
    It’s not policy.
    It’s family.
    The Librano family values: that’s what seperates us from Ignatieff and Stronach and Brison and Dr K martin and the rest of the blue liberals in the Librano family.

  7. Very good post indeed. And if we could only also get Mark Steyn as Minister of Canadian Heritage and Minister responsible for Status of Women.
    Mark
    Ottawa

  8. CRB; check Kate’s bio at the side of the Roundtable site. She is not a Conservative Party member, lobbyist or operative.

  10. Thanks Kate for your point of view. He has some good points however his choice of friends causes some concern to this loyal canadian.
    Cheers Bubba

  11. If I was forced to pick two Liberal’s to choke on my own bile and vote for it would be Irwin Cotler and Stephan Dion.
    Did anyone see Cotler on CBC this morning, first politician to say something reasonable about gun crime in Canada.

  12. Bravo. Bravo.
    If Ignatief were my candidate (even if I still lived in T-dot, he would not be) I’d vote for him. He has a vision for the country, this is not something that any of the current guys have been able to put forward.
    I like the man; he has potential. I’m not quite sold on him as PM yet, but he’s got more promise than others.

  13. If successful in this election, Liberal Party discipline will silence him or force him to censor his principles. Principles handicap Liberals because they interfere with the freedom to steal policies from the NDP, Greens, BQ, Communists and Conservatives.
    More importantly, does he have a “relationship” with Power Corp?

  14. Ignatieff was one step away from being the Christopher Hitchens of academia – but he never quite made a clean break with the left, and has backed off sharply in recent months to fall in with prevailing Canadian Liberal conventional wisdom. Apparently, when you enter the Liberal party, you have to check your b@lls at the door.

  15. The problem is when you get to Ottawa. My MP opposed the changing of the definition of marriage. He stated that the institution of marriage was foundational to human society and predates the nation state. He eventually bended, and then succumbed. Being Liberal in Ottawa is like an Alien-pod-people movie involving moral lobotomization. Paul Martin, in another context, another era, would no doubt be fighting against socially destructive ideas like same-sex marriage and swinging. But leftist-Liberalism is “in the air”, or in the water, and it’s very difficult to remain in the Liberal Party and keep any semblence of your own opinion or thinking. Next on the far-left agenda: the full “equality” of prostitutes and prostitution. Watch for it: coming to a liberal town near you.

  16. Another point – will this guy not be the most ridiculous fish-out-of-water this country has ever seen as an opposition back-bencher? I don’t think he understands what a bunch of half-wits he will be dealing with in that powerless and crumbling Liberal caucus – if he gets elected. And, if he gets defeated, it will be a huge embarassment, and will probably cost him any hopes of the leadership. Why he didn’t sit out this election and snipe from the sidelines, I’ll never know. Maybe that Harvard edumacation ‘aint all that after all…

  17. Anyone who would cite Irwin Cotler as a reason to vote Liberal, hasn’t been paying attention to the crime stats in Canada vs those in other countries.
    I don’t think Peter Warren has archived audio files, but he should. Former RCMP Investigator Bruce Bowie had figures that should rock the fondest assumptions of crime coddling leftists.

  19. What about the democratic deficit in which his coronation took place?? How quickly we forget…
    Isn’t that ever so Canadian-ly tolerant?
    So, perhaps corruption in the governments we elect shouldn’t come as any great surprise. After all, they just reflect the lowest common denominator of our collective Canadian “values.”

  20. I just can’t resist.
    My predictions;
    Ignatieff wins his seat, only to find himself seated at the Opposition benches. Bare Conservative majority.
    Within 60 days, the Cartel throws Martin off the back of the sleigh in disgust. 3 or 4 of their creatures will vie for the leadership, only to have Ig step up at the last moment…and win. Libs crown new Philosopher King.
    In the meantime, with all the investigations shining light in dark corners, the Cartel decides it’s time to retire for a few years. Unless they can get Peter to marry Sophie…? Hmmmmm.
    OK, I can hear the eyes rolling. But if I’m right, someone out there better buy me a beer. GW Pil, ice cold.

  21. I roundly criticized the democratic deficit of Ignatieff’s coronation, and I meant it.
    However…
    Anyone who sticks their neck out for the cause of bringing democracy to the Middle East has a lot of currency with me.
    We are a small and insignificant country.
    The domino effect of a successful and democratic Iraq – no matter how long that might be take to be fully realized – trumps all domestic issues like child care and tax relief.
    Iraq as big as the Berlin Wall. Anone who can recognize that is an important voice in the Canadian political debate, no matter what party banner he or she runs under.
    That he refuses to pander to the anti-American left is just a bonus.
    I will give credit where it is due. Conservatives need to support such people, however imperfect.

  23. I agree Kate; the issues I have with him are that he was parachuted in (to completely the wrong riding IMHO, someone should have checked the makeup… or maybe they did) and the banner he runs under. Other than that, I like the guy.
    The fact that you supported him at cbc may very well be the “kiss of death” is just a bonus.

  24. Kate,
    I wholeheartedly endorse your last comment. It is distressing that so many Canadians are proud of the fact that as America provided Iraqis with the option to choose democracy so many Canadians stood on the sidelines and, instead of cheering, hurled clueless and vicious accusations at the Americans.
    There were valid reasons and concerns going in about whether liberating Iraq was a good idea but now, after 3 elections; the discovery of 328,000 bodies in mass graves; and al Qaeda having made Iraq the central front (of many ) of the Islamofascist War anyone who still opposes this effort is taking an immature break from reality and history.
    In the future, as Iraqis continue to embrace democracy as their chosen form of government and as more news of Saddam’s efforts to train terrorists is discovered, remaining opponents to the liberation of Iraq will have nothing to argue except International Law, to which I, as a lawyer, respond:
    1. Don’t you mean �so- called international law�?
    2. What did �so- called international law� ever do for Iraqis?
    3. Are you not in favour of domestic rule of law for Iraqis?
    4. Do you really think �so-called international law� should have stood in the way of liberating 27 million people and allowing them to choose democracy and the rule of law?
    5. Do you not realize that if anyone dealt a blow to so-called international law it was nations such as France, Russia, China (and Canada) which insisted that �so-called international law� should stand in the way of progress and security? Bush tried to secure the support of the U. N. for the liberation of Iraq. For reasons having nothing to do with what was in the best interests of the people of Iraq and for ulterior motives nations such as France, Russian and China refused to support the liberation.
    Incidentally Kate, the reason leftists are unhinged about Bush is that by liberating 52 million people in the face of their vociferous opposition he has shown them to be morally vacuous. What does the left stand for? They are all talk. And that talk shows them to be as backward and selfish as the most right wing capitalist-isolationist-libertarians ever were.

  25. I would like to see Ignatieff as the Liberal leader. I think his ascendancy could very well split that party in two.

  26. I don’t know if he said it on CBC, but on CTV, Cotler was bleating on about how the Conservative law-and-order package doesn’t implement the Liberals “hope and prosperity” (IIRC) plan and doesn’t address the “root causes” of crime.
    As a conservative, I believe that anyone who bloviates about “root causes” of crime should automatically be disqualified from being the Justice Minister. When people reach the attention of the justice system, “root causes” are irrelevant. They’ve broken the law and they have to be dealt with accordingly.

  27. Terry, In your last comment you seem to be as vacuous and vociferous as they come.
    Way too much generalization and selective logic.
    I’m a lefty who for many reasons totally backs the war in Iraq, . Very few Democrats in the last election actually came out in opposition of it and the ones that did I respect. We are all entitled to our opinions and just because they oppose yours doesnt make for an empty-head.

  28. Previously in posts I’ve gone on ad nauseum about qualifications. Ignatieff is about as qualified as they come. He is qualification personified. I like the fact that like myself he is a renegade. He follows his own lead and is not afraid to rock the boat. This is precisely the type of politician this country so desperately requires.
    Who in the CPC is like him?

  29. I like Ignatief. He seems to be a rational thinker. The only thing irrational is the party he’s chosen. However, perhaps he’s the type who’ll bring the Liberals back to pre-Truedau days, when at least they weren’t so immoral, irrational and corrupt. That would be good for Canada.

  30. From Terry G. – “It is distressing that so many Canadians are proud of the fact that as America provided Iraqis with the option to choose democracy so many Canadians stood on the sidelines and, instead of cheering, hurled clueless and vicious accusations at the Americans.” OTT!
    Terry, the English language is meant to communicate and your sentences can be very confusing. You’re a lawyer but you’re not in court here.
    “So many Canadians” does not equate to ‘all’, nor does it necessarily mean ‘most’. And the “hurled clueless and vicious accusations” – my heavens, Terry, you must have been listening to the official stance of the Liberal party, and they must pander to the powerful anti-American Quebec wing after all.
    If you listen to those who are vehemently anti-Bush, anti-American, anti-Iraq war, you will hear CNN and CBC speak, plus (if they’re university students) peacenik leftist professors. That’s why so many Cdns spout the “separation of church and state” phrase, not having a clue as to what it means – they’re CNN junkies.

  31. gellen…It was good until you got to the church and state stuff. Church and state should stay separate for many reasons not just because of what we see and hear on the CNN dramatized news network.

  32. Ron,
    I’m still hot. I rather liked my comments on the limits of international law. If more lawyers made these points perhaps this war, which you claim to support, would be perceived by more people as the right decision, in all of the cicumstances.
    You are a leftist who supports the war? So it’s you and Hitchens.
    Sorry, but the Iraq war has defined the left. Weak on security and logic and no compassion for those living under tyranny.
    Ron, I too was once a leftist so it’s never too late. The more I learned about the left the more I came to realize that what motivates a lot of them is envy. I also came to realize that the left hates conservatives more than they hate tyrants. I am, of course, generalizing.
    Ron, please don’t respond with a vacuous criticism or you may crash and burn. You claim to support the war but because I attack the left -with ample justification- you describe my comments as vacuous. Given its vociferous opposition to a just war it ‘s not clear to me how you can support the war and still be a leftist. It seems to me the left has made its bed.
    Posted by Terry Gain at January 9, 2006 11:06 AM

  33. gellen,
    “So many Canadians” does not equate to ‘all.
    Where did I say it did?
    As to:
    “hurled clueless and vicious accusations”
    and the rest of your post my impression of where Canadians stand on this issue come not just from the CBC but also CTV, The Globe & Mail,the Toronto Star and pretty well everyhere else. Those of us not suffering from BDS are in the minority.
    Once again I never said this was the view of all Canadians but it is certainly the view of the majority.
    gellen, We are on the same side of this issue. I don’t undrstand why you feel the need to try to correct me.

  34. Terry…Lets both drop the ‘v’ words and personal attacks so we can get to the bottom of this.
    This war has many facets, it’s not all about tyranny, security and logic. It’s also about stirking at the heart of terrorism on it’s own soil, oil, the positioning of the world’s self-appointed police (USA) right in the middle of the action, finishing H’s initiative, etc.
    I see democracy in Iraq partially as a left wing goal. Some may describe it as rightist as opposed to leftist but I only see it as correct. If that makes me a conundrum then so be it.

  36. Ron,
    Olive branch accepted but the debate must continue.
    You are wrong when you say democracy in Iraq is partially a left wing goal. It should have been but once again (ironically) the left chose the security of a terrorist tyrant over the right of the masses to choose the form of government they want.
    If Iraq had been a left wing goal the Security Council would have supported the liberation, the CBC would have described the war as the Liberation of Iraq (which it was) rather than as Attack on Iraq (which described their coverage), France, Germany and Russia would have joined the coalition and the insurgency would have been put down in 2003.
    No, Ron , if you are still a leftist, and I’m not sure you are, this was not “your war”. The left has opposed this war tooth and nail from the outset and no amount of historical revision can change that fact. I do however admire your initiative. I didn’t expect the left to start saying, “Oh yes of course we supported the war ” until it was clearly won.
    Hot again?

  37. “I see democracy in Iraq partially as a left wing goal.”
    Sorry RON you don’t define left wing policies,or goals and your side has marked their terror-tory.
    It’s just that no left wing party or it’s membership on Earth agrees with you.
    That does not make you a “conundrum” it makes you another blind idealogue.
    Ignatief is not an idiot antiAmerican, but he has lived only briefly in Canada, and is widely known as a BBC panelist egghead.
    He’s not the most scummy liberal out there, but,…
    no thanks if that’s what you bring to the future priministers job.
    What does a Doctor of Human Rights bring to Canada that we don’t already have…too much of.
    It’s Steven Lewis and his young Avi with an eltist bona fide!
    Fuck his education and elitist pedigree .
    It was Lech Wallesa who said government should be peopled with the electricians, cops , teachers , and regular working people they represent.
    If the liberal party of operators is so corrupt that they have to fly in golden saviours from another country to explain to Canadians how rightious they are so be it.
    Can’t they find a Canadian?

  38. Terry…When you say the left chose the security of a terrorist tyrant do you mean Bill Clinton and the Democrats?
    Do you think this is why 911 occured during the Bush administration and not Clinton’s?

  39. Kate…You’re probably right about Stockwell but from what I remember he was gaff prone. I would consider this a negative that would diminish his qualifications.

  41. Simon says: The Ignatieff rumble from tree-huggers of BC:
    Washington Post: Ignatieff Too American?
    Submitted by Simon on Sun, 2006-01-08 11:34. Ignatieff
    The Washington Post prints a brief American persepective on the Ignatieff election debacle, and what a navel-gazing exercise it is. Canadians object to Ignatieff’s candidacy, according to the Washington Post, not because of his public record or positions he has defended, but because we are anti-American.

  43. The Washington Post prints a brief American persepective on the Ignatieff election debacle, and what a navel-gazing exercise it is. Canadians object to Ignatieff’s candidacy, according to the Washington Post, not because of his public record or positions he has defended, but because we are anti-American.
    Forgot ‘The’ in front of Canadians who object. Why is it “we” are anti-American? No wonder the perspective was brief; it doesn’t hold water and makes no sense.

  44. It was Lech Wallesa who said government should be peopled with the electricians, cops , teachers , and regular working people they represent.
    richfisher…You’re really stretching here and your use of 4 letter words is out of line.
    There’s nobody stopping these people running for office except themselves.
    I would hope I don’t define the left and I’m not looking for affirmation for my thoughts and ideas. I couldn’t care less if people agree/disagree with me; just 1 person engaging in lively debate. I think this makes me a eyes wide open idealogue.

  45. Terry…When you say the left chose the security of a terrorist tyrant do you mean Bill Clinton and the Democrats? Do you think this is why 911 occured during the Bush administration and not Clinton’s?
    Ron,
    I mean the the Democratic Party- Dean, Reid Kennedy, Pelosi etc all of whom have been supporting the insurgents. It’s true Rodham- Clnton and Kerry are fair weather supporters of the war – trying to keep the Democrats in both camps -and I’m talking about Canada and old Europe. Bill Clinton is a charming charismatic child-like pacifist- a great guy to have over for dinner but one of the last in whose hands you would ever put your life. The last are Kerry, Kennedy and Carter.
    The planning for 9/11 was in the works long before Bush became President. After Mogadishu bin laden was convinced the Americans would not fight back.
    You are correct, however when you say you don’t define the left.
    Ron, may I suggest you get yourself down to the nearest NDP constituency office. Announce that you are a proud leftist who supports the war in Iraq. Wear warm clothing so you can withstand the chill. Two things will happen when you get home. First, you will need a shower. Second you will realize you are not a leftist. Good luck.

  46. Jesus Christ, Ron. Are you really that stupid?
    Do you not remember the first WTC attack? The one in which a truck bomb went off, that had it been parked one floor lower, would have resulted in a 110 story building lying on its side in the streets of New York City.
    Clinton’s response? Refuse to take Bin Laden when the Sudanese offered him up on a platter.
    Ugh.

  47. Ron,
    Speaking of the first WTC bombing did you know that the bomb maker- Abdul Rahman
    Yasin- fled to Iraq, and, after the liberation, was discovered to be on Saddam’s payroll.
    Perhaps, as a leftist, you can explain to me why the left (MSM and the Democratic Party) still claim Saddam was not engaged in terrorism involving the U.S.

  48. “Anyone who sticks their neck out for the cause of bringing democracy to the Middle East has a lot of currency with me.”
    What if that same person is an effete, imperious, rascist snob who considers Ukrainian Canadians “strange and pathetic” – simply because they bespoiled his entrance to the Bolshoi Ballet?

  49. Kate and Terry…I guess I’m a duck out of water on this one. I do remember all the events just like they happened yesterday but failed to connect the dots. There’s no windows in my studio and I fear I’ve spent too much time in there.

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