65 Replies to “We Don’t Need No Flaming Sparky Cars”
“Ford’s Lightning, for example, only has half the range of its gas-powered F-150 because of its small battery—a clear concern when charging stations are not yet readily available in many places.”
Ah no. The Ford F-150 Lightning has a massive battery. It just doesn’t take the massive truck a long distance.
The battery dyslexia kick in the nutz.
Hay NoMutha
leave us’n dyslexics outa it.
I’ll see just how bad the F-150 sparky actually is, as the landlord just got his!
And all for the bargain price of $140,000.
Madness.
Don’t want to throw gas on the fire but I think I’ll throw gas on the fire.
It’s only a minute long …short and to the point by a guy who knows shit. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XV9ijKAubfU
This from the comments: “Those in charge know this is impossible. But the goal isn’t electric cars for everyone. It’s about taking away the vehicles from ordinary citizens.”
That’s right son. So, how do rid yourself of pesky gov’t subsidized gluts? By mandating.
He’s bang-on accurate. And he doesn’t even get into the issue of the fuel where the electricty comes from. In large parts of the world, it comes from coal. So all an EV has done is turn a gasoline or diesel vehicle into a coal-powered vehicle. But then, self-defeating idiocy is all that can be expected of the Klimate Kult.
This of course all presumes that the EV is intended to be functional. It could also serve the purpose of eliminating low-cost transportation for everyone.
As your commentor says: The ideologues know this is impossible, but that isn’t their objective; their objective is to prevent the great unwashed masses having motor vehicles and the liberty they bring.
The EV market is still awaiting its “Model T Moment” i.e., when some manufacturer can produce a practical, affordable car without government involvement and subsidies.
Not sure if it’ll ever happen though.
To make a battery with the same energy density as liquid hydrocarbon fuel, and the same speed of handling as hydrocarbons, you need a room-temperature superconductor. Currently science fiction.
The physics, as they say, is non-trivial.
So why the big push for EVs? That’s simple. They’re -lying-.
Toyota has a solid state energy storage device that shows promise, charges fast, gives better range that current batteries, only downside is it will probably need to be changed out every 300 charges or so
So, less than a year of solid use. That “only downside” seems fairly significant.
So the new battery lasts about a year?
“shows promise” is what you see a lot in the battery biz. That means they have a theory, but so far they can’t make it work except on a lab bench, under a microscope.
We’ve been seeing “shows promise” for 30 years on a lot of these technologies. Remember when hydrogen fuel cells were going to run every car in the world? Same thing.
EVs, wind turbines, and solar panels are not the panaceas some would have us believe. If politicians are bound and determined to reduce carbon emissions, they should focus on solutions that we know are viable: nuclear energy, natural gas (over coal or oil), and hybrid cars, for example.
CO2 emissions do not need reducing
“they should focus on solutions that we know are viable: nuclear energy, natural gas (over coal or oil), and hybrid cars, for example.”
And hydro-electricity. Lots of it.
If I were gifted an EV, I would sell it. No one want a fire-prone car or bike in their garage eating up more and more expensive electricity.
Look at this from a broader perspective. The goal is to regulate gasoline engines out of the marketplace. So, while the EV’s are piling up, legislation (and more accurately, fiat induced agency regulations) is pricing gasoline powered vehicles (and equipment) out of the marketplace.
The goal, I’m sure, is NOT to switch the entire driving populous over to EV’s. That is unsustainable. It’s to allow personal owned transportation to those who can afford it (thus lowering the participants significantly) and push everyone else into sardine can public transportation (or no transportation at all). The direct result is something that has been part of the Left’s plan for a couple decades. They want more urban participation (whether you want to live in a city or not).
It’s about control. Everything governments are doing is about control. Been happening for decades, but the final push has really been accelerating last 5 or 10 years, and even more so with covid. Next 2 to 5 years are going to be interesting.
As far as EV’s and other green projects go, there will always be this little problem with EROEI. Without subsidies, they are a big money loser. Even with subsidies, there is no big demand. Solution to them piling up? Put them on a boat and sail them out to sea. Maybe something will light up.
… Mainly the wokey rich benefit from EV subsidies.
Next: planned buy-out of gas stations
No thank you. I’m not preheating my batteries for 10min. before every drive. I actually NEED to drive up hills, and I’m not turning off the cabin heater in winter or AC in summer.
The original poster references winter; they don’t have winter in Vancouver. Now, let’s see how they work in Winnipeg.
The original poster lives in rural Saskatchewan. They have serious winter. I can not imagine how some EV would be useful to their lifestyle.
Thank you Kate!!
Yeh, we do; it’s just wet instead of cold! 🙂
I love transit bus bobsledding. Should be an Olympic sport
“The original poster references winter; they don’t have winter in Vancouver. ”
I can attest to that.
“Now, let’s see how they work in Winnipeg.”
Exactly. I can tell you for sure that anything that creates heat draws a lot of power. Lights, wipers, radio…no so bad. Heaters, on the other hand, are a high-wattage load that will reduce your EV driving range considerably.
Question- why is it that every time there’s an electric ridiculousness thread, out pops the EV army? Surely they aren’t regular readers of the site, so they must be trawling the web looking for arguments? Who’s funding this?
Musk … NEEDS … to start HARD MARKETING his eco-saloons. His loyal, eco-virtue signaling base is saturated … so he is desperate to appeal to the
the chinese are patient . they are waiting for the north american armed forces to fully EV before the invasion . have to watch , cananduh will go first . both of our vehicles will be electric , invading soviet clusterfukastan will be a tip off for the yanks . a vehicle that can barely make Calgary Edmonton one way is useless. Any vehicle ive owned in the past 30 years has had a 850 km or more cruising range
I own a Model Y, and am an investor in TSLA.
The car is great, and the stock will do a 10x by 2030.
I am a longstanding SDA reader – and my views closely align with the editorial opinions expressed here.
But there is a blind spot here on EV’s. There is a lot of FUD and propaganda on all sides. I don’t buy into the climate fear mongering, but I definitely want to profit from it.
Think about the way the media manipulates on COVID – the same playbook is at work on climate and EVs.
Ask yourself – do want to be rich or right?
I’ve made my choice, and I am at peace.
Mr. Pants, I hope you haven’t sunk all your TSLA profits into a Tesla car.
Tesla Y is most popular car in Vancouver. Our electricity is virtually all hydro. Charge up overnight when there is less demand for power. Perfect.
How’s the grid in Vancouver? Sure, there’s hydro and seemingly plenty of it.
But if sales take off and suddenly 4 out of 5 vehicles in Vancouver are EVs, can enough 50 amp and 80 or 100 amp charging points be set up off the current grid?
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Every kid and his brother are making EVs and governments are doing everything they can to transition the public away from ICE vehicles.
What I don’t see is anyone upgrading the grids… and even all our idiot politicians (sorry, redundant) knew years ago that we’d need more grid capacity, yet pretty much all the money goes to subsidies for EVs and renewables unreliables. I may have missed it, but I haven’t seen much of any spending whatsoever on upgrading power delivery systems; “the grid”. That tells you all you need to know.
So that video Burton linked to above is spot on. Watch what “they” do or in this case, what “they” don’t do. Ignore what “they” say or promise.
Note: “They” being the GEBs and their bought and paid for minions in business and politics. “They” also own the YSM (Yellow Stream Media).
As I have, all renewables at this rate is just going to make us look like Romania in the 1980s, where the power was on only one hour a day if you were lucky.
And if infrastructure is not looked after, the power source won’t matter. Just look at South Africa.
Buddy I used to work with in BCHydro said that if only 10% of the vehicles on the road were EVs, the grid would be in danger of collapse. That was 10 years ago.
There’s been no upgrade of the distribution or transmission system to support the loads projected.
It all looks like head fakes and ill thought out schemes.
“I may have missed it, but I haven’t seen much of any spending whatsoever on upgrading power delivery systems; “the grid”. That tells you all you need to know.”
Not only that, but there are still a whole bunch of misguided people trying to cancel Site C. Seriously….they argue that “we don’t need the extra power” and that “renewables will made up for any extra demand”. Delusional, the whole lot of them…
The extra demand will be for public transit.
Even EV owners will be expected to use public transit.
Just wait for:
a) Trudeau’s EV road use tax
b) much much higher insurance rates
The gang green goal is public transit for everyone.
Most vehicles in Vancouver at least would be charged at night. Night means when you are asleep and are not using clothes dryers, stoves, TVs, vacuums, washing machines.
JP
I haul scrap, and the price of non ferris metals is high, because they are scarce and will run out before testical stocks hit 10X
You haul scrap but you can’t spell “ferrous”?
Okay then.
Testicle stocks are what worries me.
Yeah, christopher. Those stocks sound very painful to me.
And we could go ’round and ’round on scrap metals.
…like the head and wrist public square punishment, only a smaller, scaled down version.
Give him a break, it’s probably Ferrous Buehler’s day off…
Concern troll detected. All EVs are utter shit and those buying them are virtue signaling morons and scumbags. World would be a better place if they all had cancer.
To make room for EV production, the manufacturers are making fewer ICE vehicles. And when supply doesn’t meet demand, the price goes up. On top of that, EVs still aren’t profitable so they raise the prices even further to compensate for the money they’re losing.
All of it to price out regular folks from owning vehicles.
I am sick and tired of being told that if I don’t give up my fossil fueled car or tools, live in a Kowloon-style “Coffin home” in a crowded megacity and stop eating meat, Earth will suffer an environmental apocalypse
I don’t care if Earth turns into Venus in another 100 years. I’m not giving up my way of life.
The EV fetish is also a scam ready to bite the elite, political leaders and the naive in the ass. And, I hope it does, and hard.
Sales are cratering, losses are extreme, PER UNIT, but damn the torpedoes, ramp production up to 2 MILLION. Madness!
“Ford reported that it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric cars in 2023”
“Ford plans to make 2 million electric cars every year by 2025. That would be impressive considering that Ford only sold 61,575 of them in 2022. It sold 3,624 electric vehicles in Feb 2023”
“ Somewhat worrying for Ford and investors was a dip in EV sales, with the company noting EV sales dropped 2.8% for the quarter, with Mustang Mach-E sales down 21.1% and its E-Transit electric van sales down 23.8%”
“Ford reported that it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric cars in 2023”
Lying f***ers. Between taxpayer subsidies and passing the EV “losses” on to buyers of other vehicles, they’ll be in the black.
Seriously.. Put a little gas powered Honda generator in the trunk and I am good to go.. Ev’s need to lose the “zero carbon” nutcases in a bad way.. Until then I’m not interested in spending 50+ grand on a downgrade.
Whatever.. Figure it out.. Give us a product we want BEFORE the political goodwill you have been enjoying runs out..
I might, maybe consider a hybrid.
With a well designed hybrid, hopefully you can make it to a charger if you mis-judge your battery range, or provide heat during the winter.
Otherwise, no thank you.
Has anyone considered the potential abuse from combination of electric vehicles and smart meters?
“We don’t like what you believe. No power for you!”
“Ford’s Lightning, for example, only has half the range of its gas-powered F-150 because of its small battery—a clear concern when charging stations are not yet readily available in many places.”
Ah no. The Ford F-150 Lightning has a massive battery. It just doesn’t take the massive truck a long distance.
The battery dyslexia kick in the nutz.
Hay NoMutha
leave us’n dyslexics outa it.
I’ll see just how bad the F-150 sparky actually is, as the landlord just got his!
And all for the bargain price of $140,000.
Madness.
Don’t want to throw gas on the fire but I think I’ll throw gas on the fire.
It’s only a minute long …short and to the point by a guy who knows shit.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XV9ijKAubfU
This from the comments: “Those in charge know this is impossible. But the goal isn’t electric cars for everyone. It’s about taking away the vehicles from ordinary citizens.”
That’s right son. So, how do rid yourself of pesky gov’t subsidized gluts? By mandating.
He’s bang-on accurate. And he doesn’t even get into the issue of the fuel where the electricty comes from. In large parts of the world, it comes from coal. So all an EV has done is turn a gasoline or diesel vehicle into a coal-powered vehicle. But then, self-defeating idiocy is all that can be expected of the Klimate Kult.
This of course all presumes that the EV is intended to be functional. It could also serve the purpose of eliminating low-cost transportation for everyone.
As your commentor says: The ideologues know this is impossible, but that isn’t their objective; their objective is to prevent the great unwashed masses having motor vehicles and the liberty they bring.
The EV market is still awaiting its “Model T Moment” i.e., when some manufacturer can produce a practical, affordable car without government involvement and subsidies.
Not sure if it’ll ever happen though.
To make a battery with the same energy density as liquid hydrocarbon fuel, and the same speed of handling as hydrocarbons, you need a room-temperature superconductor. Currently science fiction.
The physics, as they say, is non-trivial.
So why the big push for EVs? That’s simple. They’re -lying-.
Toyota has a solid state energy storage device that shows promise, charges fast, gives better range that current batteries, only downside is it will probably need to be changed out every 300 charges or so
So, less than a year of solid use. That “only downside” seems fairly significant.
So the new battery lasts about a year?
“shows promise” is what you see a lot in the battery biz. That means they have a theory, but so far they can’t make it work except on a lab bench, under a microscope.
We’ve been seeing “shows promise” for 30 years on a lot of these technologies. Remember when hydrogen fuel cells were going to run every car in the world? Same thing.
EVs, wind turbines, and solar panels are not the panaceas some would have us believe. If politicians are bound and determined to reduce carbon emissions, they should focus on solutions that we know are viable: nuclear energy, natural gas (over coal or oil), and hybrid cars, for example.
CO2 emissions do not need reducing
“they should focus on solutions that we know are viable: nuclear energy, natural gas (over coal or oil), and hybrid cars, for example.”
And hydro-electricity. Lots of it.
If I were gifted an EV, I would sell it. No one want a fire-prone car or bike in their garage eating up more and more expensive electricity.
Look at this from a broader perspective. The goal is to regulate gasoline engines out of the marketplace. So, while the EV’s are piling up, legislation (and more accurately, fiat induced agency regulations) is pricing gasoline powered vehicles (and equipment) out of the marketplace.
The goal, I’m sure, is NOT to switch the entire driving populous over to EV’s. That is unsustainable. It’s to allow personal owned transportation to those who can afford it (thus lowering the participants significantly) and push everyone else into sardine can public transportation (or no transportation at all). The direct result is something that has been part of the Left’s plan for a couple decades. They want more urban participation (whether you want to live in a city or not).
It’s about control. Everything governments are doing is about control. Been happening for decades, but the final push has really been accelerating last 5 or 10 years, and even more so with covid. Next 2 to 5 years are going to be interesting.
As far as EV’s and other green projects go, there will always be this little problem with EROEI. Without subsidies, they are a big money loser. Even with subsidies, there is no big demand. Solution to them piling up? Put them on a boat and sail them out to sea. Maybe something will light up.
… Mainly the wokey rich benefit from EV subsidies.
Next: planned buy-out of gas stations
No thank you. I’m not preheating my batteries for 10min. before every drive. I actually NEED to drive up hills, and I’m not turning off the cabin heater in winter or AC in summer.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/2023-model-y-lr-poor-mileage-in-real-world.290405/
The original poster references winter; they don’t have winter in Vancouver. Now, let’s see how they work in Winnipeg.
The original poster lives in rural Saskatchewan. They have serious winter. I can not imagine how some EV would be useful to their lifestyle.
Thank you Kate!!
Yeh, we do; it’s just wet instead of cold! 🙂
I love transit bus bobsledding. Should be an Olympic sport
“The original poster references winter; they don’t have winter in Vancouver. ”
I can attest to that.
“Now, let’s see how they work in Winnipeg.”
Exactly. I can tell you for sure that anything that creates heat draws a lot of power. Lights, wipers, radio…no so bad. Heaters, on the other hand, are a high-wattage load that will reduce your EV driving range considerably.
Question- why is it that every time there’s an electric ridiculousness thread, out pops the EV army? Surely they aren’t regular readers of the site, so they must be trawling the web looking for arguments? Who’s funding this?
Musk … NEEDS … to start HARD MARKETING his eco-saloons. His loyal, eco-virtue signaling base is saturated … so he is desperate to appeal to the
Fight back!
https://www.wayfair.com/outdoor/pdp/americas-toys-project-ride-on-car-bbld1017.html
the chinese are patient . they are waiting for the north american armed forces to fully EV before the invasion . have to watch , cananduh will go first . both of our vehicles will be electric , invading soviet clusterfukastan will be a tip off for the yanks . a vehicle that can barely make Calgary Edmonton one way is useless. Any vehicle ive owned in the past 30 years has had a 850 km or more cruising range
I own a Model Y, and am an investor in TSLA.
The car is great, and the stock will do a 10x by 2030.
I am a longstanding SDA reader – and my views closely align with the editorial opinions expressed here.
But there is a blind spot here on EV’s. There is a lot of FUD and propaganda on all sides. I don’t buy into the climate fear mongering, but I definitely want to profit from it.
Think about the way the media manipulates on COVID – the same playbook is at work on climate and EVs.
Ask yourself – do want to be rich or right?
I’ve made my choice, and I am at peace.
Mr. Pants, I hope you haven’t sunk all your TSLA profits into a Tesla car.
Tesla Y is most popular car in Vancouver. Our electricity is virtually all hydro. Charge up overnight when there is less demand for power. Perfect.
How’s the grid in Vancouver? Sure, there’s hydro and seemingly plenty of it.
But if sales take off and suddenly 4 out of 5 vehicles in Vancouver are EVs, can enough 50 amp and 80 or 100 amp charging points be set up off the current grid?
–
–
Every kid and his brother are making EVs and governments are doing everything they can to transition the public away from ICE vehicles.
What I don’t see is anyone upgrading the grids… and even all our idiot politicians (sorry, redundant) knew years ago that we’d need more grid capacity, yet pretty much all the money goes to subsidies for EVs and
renewablesunreliables. I may have missed it, but I haven’t seen much of any spending whatsoever on upgrading power delivery systems; “the grid”. That tells you all you need to know.So that video Burton linked to above is spot on. Watch what “they” do or in this case, what “they” don’t do. Ignore what “they” say or promise.
Note: “They” being the GEBs and their bought and paid for minions in business and politics. “They” also own the YSM (Yellow Stream Media).
As I have, all renewables at this rate is just going to make us look like Romania in the 1980s, where the power was on only one hour a day if you were lucky.
And if infrastructure is not looked after, the power source won’t matter. Just look at South Africa.
Buddy I used to work with in BCHydro said that if only 10% of the vehicles on the road were EVs, the grid would be in danger of collapse. That was 10 years ago.
There’s been no upgrade of the distribution or transmission system to support the loads projected.
It all looks like head fakes and ill thought out schemes.
“I may have missed it, but I haven’t seen much of any spending whatsoever on upgrading power delivery systems; “the grid”. That tells you all you need to know.”
Not only that, but there are still a whole bunch of misguided people trying to cancel Site C. Seriously….they argue that “we don’t need the extra power” and that “renewables will made up for any extra demand”. Delusional, the whole lot of them…
The extra demand will be for public transit.
Even EV owners will be expected to use public transit.
Just wait for:
a) Trudeau’s EV road use tax
b) much much higher insurance rates
The gang green goal is public transit for everyone.
Most vehicles in Vancouver at least would be charged at night. Night means when you are asleep and are not using clothes dryers, stoves, TVs, vacuums, washing machines.
JP
I haul scrap, and the price of non ferris metals is high, because they are scarce and will run out before testical stocks hit 10X
You haul scrap but you can’t spell “ferrous”?
Okay then.
Testicle stocks are what worries me.
Yeah, christopher. Those stocks sound very painful to me.
And we could go ’round and ’round on scrap metals.
…like the head and wrist public square punishment, only a smaller, scaled down version.
Give him a break, it’s probably Ferrous Buehler’s day off…
Concern troll detected. All EVs are utter shit and those buying them are virtue signaling morons and scumbags. World would be a better place if they all had cancer.
To make room for EV production, the manufacturers are making fewer ICE vehicles. And when supply doesn’t meet demand, the price goes up. On top of that, EVs still aren’t profitable so they raise the prices even further to compensate for the money they’re losing.
All of it to price out regular folks from owning vehicles.
I am sick and tired of being told that if I don’t give up my fossil fueled car or tools, live in a Kowloon-style “Coffin home” in a crowded megacity and stop eating meat, Earth will suffer an environmental apocalypse
I don’t care if Earth turns into Venus in another 100 years. I’m not giving up my way of life.
The EV fetish is also a scam ready to bite the elite, political leaders and the naive in the ass. And, I hope it does, and hard.
From an earlier SDA post today:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/ford-keeps-losing-more-money-making-electric-cars-no-one-wants/
Sales are cratering, losses are extreme, PER UNIT, but damn the torpedoes, ramp production up to 2 MILLION. Madness!
“Ford reported that it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric cars in 2023”
“Ford plans to make 2 million electric cars every year by 2025. That would be impressive considering that Ford only sold 61,575 of them in 2022. It sold 3,624 electric vehicles in Feb 2023”
“ Somewhat worrying for Ford and investors was a dip in EV sales, with the company noting EV sales dropped 2.8% for the quarter, with Mustang Mach-E sales down 21.1% and its E-Transit electric van sales down 23.8%”
“Ford reported that it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric cars in 2023”
Lying f***ers. Between taxpayer subsidies and passing the EV “losses” on to buyers of other vehicles, they’ll be in the black.
Seriously.. Put a little gas powered Honda generator in the trunk and I am good to go.. Ev’s need to lose the “zero carbon” nutcases in a bad way.. Until then I’m not interested in spending 50+ grand on a downgrade.
Whatever.. Figure it out.. Give us a product we want BEFORE the political goodwill you have been enjoying runs out..
I might, maybe consider a hybrid.
With a well designed hybrid, hopefully you can make it to a charger if you mis-judge your battery range, or provide heat during the winter.
Otherwise, no thank you.
Has anyone considered the potential abuse from combination of electric vehicles and smart meters?
“We don’t like what you believe. No power for you!”
Now drive your car, etc.