Excellent discussion, and not at all what you might expect.
22 Replies to “Black Intellectual Roundtable”
Off topic but I just noticed that this site is being flagged as “Not Secure”. At least that is what is showing up next to the web address.
You’re right, it is off topic.
/ btw – it is flagged as Not Secure because SDA doesn’t have an SSL (Secure Socket Layer) certificate.
A quick glance at tucows / enom – which I believe is this site’s hosting service shows 3 SSL certificate providers,
with prices ranging from 1499.00/yr to $12.95/yr.
Let’s Encrypt is free.
It should be obvious that Black Culture MAY be less Fucked up than the White Culture… White Culture is totally Fucked up…..What ever metric you use fails when nothing is stable…..
As an American I know/have experienced REAL White racial Hate for Blacks in some Southern & Northern States… Likewise I have experienced Black Hate for the White Race (NJ Newark… Orange) and those cases are extreme….Words & boorish Attitudes are not racial problems….. HATE IS
I would support Moderate measures without the Racial PIMPS of the Past… The immigration of foreign Blacks are not my favorite group….Opportunity should be open for “American” Blacks… Let the leaders of failed Black agendas fade into history….
According to FBI crime statistics, a black American is 100 times more likely to murder a white American than vice versa. Do you think that might have something to do with the racial animosity?
Reparations? By whom from whom? Reparations will just fall into the grant Democrat corruption hole. Ordinary Blacks will not see anything more than a token.
Ordinary Blacks will not see anything more than a token.
I see what you did there.
Reparations? From whom to whom? Well, if we look at where black Americans would be if they had not been forcibly removed and compare it to where they are now (qualified people did that) then it turns out black Americans owe the whites.
Meanwhile, I am of Irish descent. The English stole the land from my ancestors. I demand my money. That claim ended the discussion about the aboriginal land claims with my very liberal university comrade of English descent.
On another hand, if the right of conquest does not apply then who owns the lands in the Middle East? The English, Germans, Turks, Arabs, Romans, Greeks, Medes (Kurds), Persians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Assyrians, Phillistines, Hittites, Egyptians, you get the idea. Who owes who what?
The entire world and all its countries have been conquered by someone at least twice. Forcibly removed? Tell that to my mothers family. They were forcibly removed by the Czar then the Socialists . Russia owes us for the land they stole.
As you can see, it’s impossible to calculate any of this.
Regarding reparations… I worked for a Japanese man who grew up with his farmer father in the Salinas Valley. His father owned a farm and multiple businesses. The entire family were all Americans. That entire family was stripped of the land and all their worldly goods and sent to Tule Lake internment camp. Reparations? His family could put a precise dollar value on what FDR stole from them. Precise. And the reparations didn’t come close to covering their loss.
Despite this, my employer came out of the Tule Lake camp and went straight to UC Berkeley where he earned his degree. Each one of his 4-children all had college degrees including a PhD.
Let’s be honest. What did the American Govt. take from the slaves? Their freedom of living in the bush … in a weaker, lower-tier, African tribe (they were conquered and captured, right?) ? Sorry. But let’s be honest.
And one of the speakers got it right … when Slavery reparations are given … I, for one, will say … “here! Here’s your chit … I’m absolved of all responsibility. Don’t ask me for anything ever again. No affirmative-action, no “personal story” college admissions bias. Nada. Nothing. You are now made “whole” again, so you get treated like every other American … you’re on your own. Personally, I’d like to tie every gift of black reparation to a one-way ticket to the African region of their captured Great, great, great, great grandparents origin. Here’s your money … I hear it goes a long way further in Africa.
“As you can see, it’s impossible to calculate any of this.”
In their minds it’s easy: White people pay. And pay, and pay, and pay. That is all.
A most impressive discussion, something head and shoulders above the dinosaur MSM.
Bret Weinstein is living out the potential of a member of the I.D.W.(intellectual dark web). Truly, the only place where a real university can function as intended. The brick and mortar ones in the U.S. and Canada have imploded. There is hope for America, a potential for renewal.
As for Canada we’ve got Prof. Jordan Peterson, who has the status/skill set to host similar versions of an I.D.W. Canadian university discussion, worthy of the name. Who could he choose to participate in a similarly erudite group ? Max Bernier, Prof. Salim Mansur come to mind. Others … ?
I can go along with the first and the 6th guy. Did not catch their name.
They speaks sense sort of to say without prejudice.
Its interesting to note that the guy in the middle, the fifth guy, is more white than black.
It would seem that those that are “light” black are suffering from a chip on the shoulder like certain Obama, Kaepernick, Smollet and the guy in the centre.
Except for the lower right hand square … all the reasonable HONEST opinions were emanating from the … older … of the speakers. There is a generational divide in this nation, which has little to do with the racial composition of the speaker. Yes, this has always been true, for all of History.
However, our society has come to the point where we are actually empowering the inexperienced youth … who are yet to develop the wisdom of a life lived … to dominate the conversation and to actually take charge. “defund the police”? Silly, children. You have no idea what you’re wishing-for. Tearing it all down … only appeals to those with no knowledge, perspective, or experience. Allowing children to rule the roost … is the fault of every generation since Dr. Spock first suggested that children are to be coddled and elevated to prescient adulthood.
BLM is based on lies. Trayvon Martin. was not murdered, he was killed by a person who he was bashing in his head with the sidewalk. The photos the press showed were of a 12 year old boy. Trayvon Martin was a 6ft tall thug with tats all over his face. Obama pours gas on the fire saying if he had a son it would be Trayvon. Despicable.
In Ferguson, the “hands up don’t shoot” mantra is another lie, Brown was beating on the cop trying to get his gun so the cop shot him.
And now with Floyd, it appears from this report the police did not cause his death, it was fentanyl. The police will get off if true and the riots will continue. All lies. https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/
BLM can go f*ck themselves along with the NFL.
As a child … I grew up, literally weeping when I heard Ed Sabol narrate an NFL Film, such as …
The autumn wind is a Pirate
Blustering in from sea,
With a rollicking song, he sweeps along
Swaggering boisterously
His face is weather beaten
He wears a hooded sash,
With a silver hat about his head
…
The Autumn wind is a Raider.
I was a football fanatic, a true believer, and the NFL was my church. And now? It’s no longer about football … it about appeasing black radicals. The NFL has gone from the dulcet, reverent tones of Ed Sabol … to the … “black National Anthem”… and a knee on America’s neck. I no longer recognize the NFL. It doesn’t recognize me. A 50-year marriage which ends in a bitter divorce hurts both parties. The NFL has chosen new partners, and dumped me to the curb.
They will pay a huge penalty for their new relationship of convenience
Pro tip: There were black players on the Oakland Raiders during the glory Madden years. And, imagine that!? We white folk loved them as much as whitebread Jim Otto. And guess what? They got paid just as much as the white players. They got just as many white women as the white players. They were livin as large as any white player.
But then … just as now … black criminals went into society’s rubbish bin. Oh, sure, there was still “rehabilitation” … but suffice to say it didn’t “take” for the vast majority of criminals.
Old Trucker,
Agree with your sentiments. Depending on how far back we look, we have all been oppressed and, almost by definition, are oppressors. The mere fact that we are around suggests that our ancestors beat the crap out of a weaker tribe.
Couple of other issues:
Canadian natives proudly celebrate their warrior culture. Joseph Brant was a slave owner – some of whom were blacks. Where are the mobs insisting on re-naming Brantford?
On reparations Scott Adams asks a good question: “How much do I owe Oprah?”
Do we do another RETURN -To- AFRICA and/ or remove all WORDS & History of Black Existence…. The Indian Activists are removing ALL Words & History of past Tribes & traditions… The Future does not belong to the unknown, or forgotten…. Please note the dates of depopulating the USA of Blacks began before the Civil WAR…
According to the Encyclopedia of Georgia History and Culture, “as early as 1820, black Americans had begun to return to their ancestral homeland through the auspices of the American Colonization Society.” By 1847, the American Colonization Society founded Liberia, a land to be settled by black people returning from the United States of America.[12] Between 1822 and the American Civil War, the American Colonization Society had migrated approximately 15,000 free blacks back to Africa.[13]
Notable members of the American Colonization Society included Thomas Buchanan, Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, Abraham Lincoln, James Madison, Daniel Webster, John Marshall, and Francis Scott Key.[14] All were white and most were Southern. In addition, most were slaveowners.
Thanks posting this Kate & while I’m at it, thanks for persevering & continuing to post some of the Darkhorse podcasts.
After 22 hrs, this video has 148 k views, here’s hoping it reaches millions in the coming weeks.
Isn’t it sad that these voices of reason aren’t reaching the mainstream airwaves. We’ve created a real re-education camp out of our society. Did nobody learn anything about Mao’s vicious purging of the intellectuals? The center square, and the two upper right corners should be broadcast on CNN … all day/night long. They’re eloquent and reasoned. Great men.
This might have been better if Weinstein had spoken less. They talked about needing leaders and people needing to “stand up” against the craziness, but these are the people that should be standing up, but they all seemed to be walking on eggshells (except maybe the guy in the upper left corner).
They all need a class in economics (specifically, Austrian economics, see Mises.org). The solution is not going to come from the State.
The guy in the upper left corner is Glenn Loury, an economics professor at Brown University. The “sixth” guy is John McWhorter, a linguistics professor at Columbia University. The guy in lower right is Kmele Foster, a libertarian communications consultant and co-host of a libertarian podcast, the Fifth Column.
Glenn Loury hosts a weekly podcast The Glenn Show, where John McWhorter is a frequent guest. Any episode of The Glenn Show is worth listening to.
Off topic but I just noticed that this site is being flagged as “Not Secure”. At least that is what is showing up next to the web address.
You’re right, it is off topic.
/ btw – it is flagged as Not Secure because SDA doesn’t have an SSL (Secure Socket Layer) certificate.
A quick glance at tucows / enom – which I believe is this site’s hosting service shows 3 SSL certificate providers,
with prices ranging from 1499.00/yr to $12.95/yr.
Let’s Encrypt is free.
It should be obvious that Black Culture MAY be less Fucked up than the White Culture… White Culture is totally Fucked up…..What ever metric you use fails when nothing is stable…..
As an American I know/have experienced REAL White racial Hate for Blacks in some Southern & Northern States… Likewise I have experienced Black Hate for the White Race (NJ Newark… Orange) and those cases are extreme….Words & boorish Attitudes are not racial problems….. HATE IS
I would support Moderate measures without the Racial PIMPS of the Past… The immigration of foreign Blacks are not my favorite group….Opportunity should be open for “American” Blacks… Let the leaders of failed Black agendas fade into history….
According to FBI crime statistics, a black American is 100 times more likely to murder a white American than vice versa. Do you think that might have something to do with the racial animosity?
Reparations? By whom from whom? Reparations will just fall into the grant Democrat corruption hole. Ordinary Blacks will not see anything more than a token.
Ordinary Blacks will not see anything more than a token.
I see what you did there.
Reparations? From whom to whom? Well, if we look at where black Americans would be if they had not been forcibly removed and compare it to where they are now (qualified people did that) then it turns out black Americans owe the whites.
Meanwhile, I am of Irish descent. The English stole the land from my ancestors. I demand my money. That claim ended the discussion about the aboriginal land claims with my very liberal university comrade of English descent.
On another hand, if the right of conquest does not apply then who owns the lands in the Middle East? The English, Germans, Turks, Arabs, Romans, Greeks, Medes (Kurds), Persians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Assyrians, Phillistines, Hittites, Egyptians, you get the idea. Who owes who what?
The entire world and all its countries have been conquered by someone at least twice. Forcibly removed? Tell that to my mothers family. They were forcibly removed by the Czar then the Socialists . Russia owes us for the land they stole.
As you can see, it’s impossible to calculate any of this.
Regarding reparations… I worked for a Japanese man who grew up with his farmer father in the Salinas Valley. His father owned a farm and multiple businesses. The entire family were all Americans. That entire family was stripped of the land and all their worldly goods and sent to Tule Lake internment camp. Reparations? His family could put a precise dollar value on what FDR stole from them. Precise. And the reparations didn’t come close to covering their loss.
Despite this, my employer came out of the Tule Lake camp and went straight to UC Berkeley where he earned his degree. Each one of his 4-children all had college degrees including a PhD.
Let’s be honest. What did the American Govt. take from the slaves? Their freedom of living in the bush … in a weaker, lower-tier, African tribe (they were conquered and captured, right?) ? Sorry. But let’s be honest.
And one of the speakers got it right … when Slavery reparations are given … I, for one, will say … “here! Here’s your chit … I’m absolved of all responsibility. Don’t ask me for anything ever again. No affirmative-action, no “personal story” college admissions bias. Nada. Nothing. You are now made “whole” again, so you get treated like every other American … you’re on your own. Personally, I’d like to tie every gift of black reparation to a one-way ticket to the African region of their captured Great, great, great, great grandparents origin. Here’s your money … I hear it goes a long way further in Africa.
“As you can see, it’s impossible to calculate any of this.”
In their minds it’s easy: White people pay. And pay, and pay, and pay. That is all.
A most impressive discussion, something head and shoulders above the dinosaur MSM.
Bret Weinstein is living out the potential of a member of the I.D.W.(intellectual dark web). Truly, the only place where a real university can function as intended. The brick and mortar ones in the U.S. and Canada have imploded. There is hope for America, a potential for renewal.
As for Canada we’ve got Prof. Jordan Peterson, who has the status/skill set to host similar versions of an I.D.W. Canadian university discussion, worthy of the name. Who could he choose to participate in a similarly erudite group ? Max Bernier, Prof. Salim Mansur come to mind. Others … ?
I can go along with the first and the 6th guy. Did not catch their name.
They speaks sense sort of to say without prejudice.
Its interesting to note that the guy in the middle, the fifth guy, is more white than black.
It would seem that those that are “light” black are suffering from a chip on the shoulder like certain Obama, Kaepernick, Smollet and the guy in the centre.
Except for the lower right hand square … all the reasonable HONEST opinions were emanating from the … older … of the speakers. There is a generational divide in this nation, which has little to do with the racial composition of the speaker. Yes, this has always been true, for all of History.
However, our society has come to the point where we are actually empowering the inexperienced youth … who are yet to develop the wisdom of a life lived … to dominate the conversation and to actually take charge. “defund the police”? Silly, children. You have no idea what you’re wishing-for. Tearing it all down … only appeals to those with no knowledge, perspective, or experience. Allowing children to rule the roost … is the fault of every generation since Dr. Spock first suggested that children are to be coddled and elevated to prescient adulthood.
BLM is based on lies. Trayvon Martin. was not murdered, he was killed by a person who he was bashing in his head with the sidewalk. The photos the press showed were of a 12 year old boy. Trayvon Martin was a 6ft tall thug with tats all over his face. Obama pours gas on the fire saying if he had a son it would be Trayvon. Despicable.
In Ferguson, the “hands up don’t shoot” mantra is another lie, Brown was beating on the cop trying to get his gun so the cop shot him.
And now with Floyd, it appears from this report the police did not cause his death, it was fentanyl. The police will get off if true and the riots will continue. All lies.
https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/
BLM can go f*ck themselves along with the NFL.
As a child … I grew up, literally weeping when I heard Ed Sabol narrate an NFL Film, such as …
The autumn wind is a Pirate
Blustering in from sea,
With a rollicking song, he sweeps along
Swaggering boisterously
His face is weather beaten
He wears a hooded sash,
With a silver hat about his head
…
The Autumn wind is a Raider.
I was a football fanatic, a true believer, and the NFL was my church. And now? It’s no longer about football … it about appeasing black radicals. The NFL has gone from the dulcet, reverent tones of Ed Sabol … to the … “black National Anthem”… and a knee on America’s neck. I no longer recognize the NFL. It doesn’t recognize me. A 50-year marriage which ends in a bitter divorce hurts both parties. The NFL has chosen new partners, and dumped me to the curb.
They will pay a huge penalty for their new relationship of convenience
Pro tip: There were black players on the Oakland Raiders during the glory Madden years. And, imagine that!? We white folk loved them as much as whitebread Jim Otto. And guess what? They got paid just as much as the white players. They got just as many white women as the white players. They were livin as large as any white player.
But then … just as now … black criminals went into society’s rubbish bin. Oh, sure, there was still “rehabilitation” … but suffice to say it didn’t “take” for the vast majority of criminals.
Old Trucker,
Agree with your sentiments. Depending on how far back we look, we have all been oppressed and, almost by definition, are oppressors. The mere fact that we are around suggests that our ancestors beat the crap out of a weaker tribe.
Couple of other issues:
Canadian natives proudly celebrate their warrior culture. Joseph Brant was a slave owner – some of whom were blacks. Where are the mobs insisting on re-naming Brantford?
On reparations Scott Adams asks a good question: “How much do I owe Oprah?”
Do we do another RETURN -To- AFRICA and/ or remove all WORDS & History of Black Existence…. The Indian Activists are removing ALL Words & History of past Tribes & traditions… The Future does not belong to the unknown, or forgotten…. Please note the dates of depopulating the USA of Blacks began before the Civil WAR…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-to-Africa_movement
According to the Encyclopedia of Georgia History and Culture, “as early as 1820, black Americans had begun to return to their ancestral homeland through the auspices of the American Colonization Society.” By 1847, the American Colonization Society founded Liberia, a land to be settled by black people returning from the United States of America.[12] Between 1822 and the American Civil War, the American Colonization Society had migrated approximately 15,000 free blacks back to Africa.[13]
Notable members of the American Colonization Society included Thomas Buchanan, Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, Abraham Lincoln, James Madison, Daniel Webster, John Marshall, and Francis Scott Key.[14] All were white and most were Southern. In addition, most were slaveowners.
Thanks posting this Kate & while I’m at it, thanks for persevering & continuing to post some of the Darkhorse podcasts.
After 22 hrs, this video has 148 k views, here’s hoping it reaches millions in the coming weeks.
Isn’t it sad that these voices of reason aren’t reaching the mainstream airwaves. We’ve created a real re-education camp out of our society. Did nobody learn anything about Mao’s vicious purging of the intellectuals? The center square, and the two upper right corners should be broadcast on CNN … all day/night long. They’re eloquent and reasoned. Great men.
This might have been better if Weinstein had spoken less. They talked about needing leaders and people needing to “stand up” against the craziness, but these are the people that should be standing up, but they all seemed to be walking on eggshells (except maybe the guy in the upper left corner).
They all need a class in economics (specifically, Austrian economics, see Mises.org). The solution is not going to come from the State.
The guy in the upper left corner is Glenn Loury, an economics professor at Brown University. The “sixth” guy is John McWhorter, a linguistics professor at Columbia University. The guy in lower right is Kmele Foster, a libertarian communications consultant and co-host of a libertarian podcast, the Fifth Column.
Glenn Loury hosts a weekly podcast The Glenn Show, where John McWhorter is a frequent guest. Any episode of The Glenn Show is worth listening to.