36 Replies to “Women’s Role In Society”

  1. What is Quebec’s role in Canada?
    It should the same as every other province.
    But is is not.
    Special status.
    It is only needed for the weak and ineffective.

  2. Women will have a distinct advantage when jobs open up at brothels in Canada, it’s not fair, perhaps the government could force customers to pay for the services of men and women equally.
    At least unemployment insurance savings will be realized when the liberals in the justice system approve brothels in your community – your mom, daughter or wife can’t refuse a job for which she is qualified according to ‘EI’ rules.

  3. After 4 years of university, the phrase “role of women” hurts the way hearing “I can’t print” did when I worked tech support. Following a lecture concerning a cavalry battle, when some Kaitlyn raised her hand to ask the inevitable question, I remember frantically thinking “please don’t ask about the role of women.. please don’t ..” to no avail.

  4. max “Following a lecture concerning a cavalry battle, when some Kaitlyn raised her hand to ask the inevitable question, I remember frantically thinking “please don’t ask about the role of women.. please don’t ..” to no avail.”
    After the cavalry battle, the winners raped the women of the losers, but at least they weren’t dead like the losers.

  5. Well said Captain.
    What scar said, well, you might want to include all victorious battles.

  6. I believe a woman can have all the babies she wants, just don’t expect Society to pay for it.

  7. Ahhh…summer at SDA. Flowers blooming, children playing outdoors , Kate traveling and the BOOBs (brotherhood of obnoxious bachelors)crawling out from under their rocks. Or, why conservative women and conservative men who have healthy relationships with women wish the anti-woman brigade on the right would stop sabotaging efforts to sell conservativism/libertarianism to half the population. Somehow referring to women -wives, daughters, sisters and mothers- as the great evil is not a big winner.
    *We despise you but please vote for us.*
    Great sales strategy. Ask the media how pissing off large segments of potential customers is working for them. The free market: an important concept to understand in all areas of life, politics and business.

  8. LC, the gist of the Captain’s post was this:

    “Women’s role in society should be whatever role women wish to play.”

    He went on to say that people — men and women alike — shouldn’t be bailed out by taxpayers for stupid decisions they make.
    Would you be so kind as to cite to the particular passage(s) or statement(s) that gave you the impression that he was “referring to women – wives, daughters, sisters and mothers – as the great evil”?

  9. I hope that some MALE poster doesn’t try and tell me he understand wimin:-))))

  10. CC’s attitude towards women is as clear as Suzuki’s towards “deniers” or TorStars to Ford.
    How about an impartial test: take a random sampling of CC’s articles about women as posted on SDA and get an equal number of average women and men to rank his articles as women friendly (1) or hostile (10) on a scale of 1-10. I’d wager that it’d be scored greater than 8. This one is less obnoxious than others but still is easily identified as a person with an anti-woman bent.

  11. Okay, LC. I thought you were referring to the content of this particular post/link.

  12. So do you deny that women are disproportionately inclined to seek safety and security (or at least the perception of such) and that this trait coupled with modern electoral politics has resulted in an explosion in the scope, scale, and reach of the State?
    If that is anti-woman, I’ll change my handle to MissOgyny.

  15. I think numerous identifiable groups are seeking “safety and security”: senior citizens, the corporate welfare industry, special interest groups, the defense industry, etc. Focusing on one particular group (women)is a terrible political strategy. It’s corrosive to the conservative brand. Finding common ground will work better than repeatedly insulting voters. Example : the CPC and immigrants vs Liberals and western Canada.

  16. And this “common ground” is inevitably social spending and legislation specifically favouring women.

  17. I personally don’t think women vote en bloc for spending and favoritism more than any other groups I’ve listed. Continually pissing women off will either convince them to not vote because they find the misogyny disgusting or they’ll vote for the other party.

  18. Well you’re either naive or disingenuous about women not voting out of rational, albeit short sighted, self interest. And those other groups don’t represent half the population.
    Hopefully you’re right and more women decide not to vote due to the disgusting misogyny. And if Justin gets elected it’ll surely be due to us knuckle dragging misogynists.

  19. Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
    Heh, not much has changed…

  20. Here’s the first hit on a search of “women voting social welfare state statistics”.

    …”The empirical analysis takes advantage of the natural experiment provided by Switzerland’s extension of the franchise to women in 1971. Women’s suffrage represents an institutional change with potentially significant implications for the positioning of the decisive voter. For various reasons, the decisive voter is more likely to favor increases in governmental social welfare spending following the enfranchisement of women. Evidence indicates that this extension of voting rights increased Swiss social welfare spending by 28 percent and increased the overall size of the Swiss government.”

    So yeah basically it’s your fault. In fact your attitude is far more corrosive than the perceived “disgusting misogyny” on the right or the blatant sheocracy on the left, because you’re rotting conservatism from the inside by accepting the leftist premise of identity groups. And ask any one of us disgusting misogynists who our favourite post-Churchill British PM is and you’ll get the same answer 99 times out of 100, at least.

  21. I don’t think the CPC is misogynistic. They have gone out of their way to focus on economic issues instead of social issues. They are an example that US conservatives might want to learn from. In fact Rand Paul is trying to do the same kind of outreach that the CPC/Kenny did with immigrants.

  22. I doubt Thatcher would have thought that it would be good politics to insult half of her potential voters by saying “it’s your fault” My guess is she would have tried to persuade them of the benefits of small government and low taxes. Would all women agree? No but insulting women pretty much guarantees a low voter percentage. Re: the Swiss study – The move towards social spending has its roots in the Depression. Women are more receptive to this message but so are unions, the young, minorities and others. Are conservatives writing them all off? Good luck with that.
    BTW, I’m libertarian and believe in individual rights not identity politics. The two groups obsessed with women are feminists and socons.

  23. Women need to be insulted for continuing to endorse expansionist social welfare and discriminatory anti-male policies in every sphere of western life. And I must have missed the Swiss Depression of the 1970s – it was before my time. If you’ve got any good stories from the dirty 30s though please do share.

  24. Well then let me try to explain. The Depression started a trend that most Western countries ended up adopting. I’d assume the suffering and need for reconstruction after the world wars was also a factor in social spending. The cultural revolution of the 70s may have accelerated the already existing trend but it was not the root cause.
    Besides a whole lot of men also voted for social spending and still do but around here they have apparently been granted immunity. Do you think many seniors are going to vote for social security reform. Have you forgotten that most of the political class was male. Women’s fault? Nope. Lots of *individuals* looking out for their own self interest.

  25. Sorry, Max, but you’re wildly over-generalizing. Yes, LC was incorrect when she stated (6:41 PM) that women aren’t statistically more likely to vote for more social spending and bigger government – the results of studies on this have been entirely consistent, and the point is beyond dispute – but she does have a legitimate point: a certain subset of men on the right (and I’m not pointing at the Captain) tend to blame women in general, which in effect makes individual conservative/libertarian women collateral damage, all because of the actions of other women who have absolutely nothing to do with them.
    Sacrificing individual non-leftist women to the statistical differences between the sexes is, as LC pointed out, both unfair to individual conservative/libertarian women and counterproductive to the conservative “movement”, for lack of a better word.
    To blame rock-ribbed conservative/libertarian women for higher taxes and bigger government simply because they’re women makes little sense. If a large number of female commenters/posters blamed you, and in effect demanded that you take responsibility for the fact that men are far more likely to commit aggravated assaults and murders and rapes and B&Es and vandalism etc., and if said statistical differences were used as justification for pointing the finger at you personally, I think you’d see LC’s point more clearly, and take it at face value without much argument.
    To say, for example, “you’re either naive or disingenuous about women not voting out of rational, albeit short-sighted, self interest” is no different than a woman informing you that “you’re either naive or disingenuous about men not acting out of violent, destructive, thieving self-interest.”
    There’s millions of men on the left, Max, and millions of women on the right. The voting-tendency differences between the sexes show up when you take a poll with a large enough sample size, but the problem is really with particular women and particular men.
    Those of us on the “right” — men and women — are in it *together*, so telling LC that women “need to be insulted for continuing to endorse expansionist social welfare and discriminatory anti-male policies in every sphere of western life” is as insulting as it is unfair.
    Feel free to go head-to-head with every leftist woman (and man) you encounter, but there’s no net benefit, either to you or to conservatism, in insulting people on your own side – whether intentionally or otherwise – simply because they don’t have a Y-chromosome.
    I do appreciate and enjoy most of your comments here, btw.

  26. EBD
    agree and well said
    the same goes for gays, many of whom are lefties and over the top self serving gay-riters, but that does not mean we should not accept and be considerate of the ones who are not like that. Some in here too often slag gays and atheists for no other reason than being judgmental, t’is the reason I think that Kyla hardly ever posts.

  27. Thanks EBD.
    Yes, I am aware that women statistically vote for parties that advocate for more social spending. My poorly worded post was wrong. But I am not convinced that women are voting for them exclusively because of social spending. Other variables like age, social group, marital status and the feeling that the left doesn’t hate them might be big factors.
    Anyway, Step 1 for conservatives might be as simple as : Stop insulting women,*not*try to out bribe the left.

  28. I agree, NME666. Falsely extrapolating the behaviours and attitudes of the loud subset of obnoxious, in-your-face gays who hump each other in bondage gear during “pride” parades or deign to appoint themselves as spokesmen for the gay movement onto the sexual orientation itself makes about as much sense as blaming the behaviour of, I don’t know, Snookie, or Kobe Bryant, or Mike Tyson, on their heterosexuality.
    A person’s behaviour, and their integrity, is what matters. The great British blogger David Thompson, for example, who is gay, is a gentleman of the highest order. His posts, including this one about the ridiculous public exhibitionism of particular organized groups of gay men in San Francisco, are priceless, and funny. No one else can excoriate self-absorbed idiocy with such a deft and humorous touch.

  29. I agree with you, LC, that “the feeling that the left doesn’t hate (women)” is one of the factors for women being statistically more likely than men to vote left, but it also can’t be denied that the left’s broadcasting, propagandistic demonizing of conservatives in those terms, and their non-stop pushing of the false message/insinuation that, for example, “Stephen Harper hates gays and woman and poor people” (I see this all the time, either between the lines or overtly on the CBC, for example) contributes enormously to that perception as well.

  30. Women, especially young single women, seem to need a sugar daddy state to take care of them. Perhaps if a larger fraction of the middle aged and financially well-off male population had mistresses there would be some hope for democracy.
    A few weeks ago ran into a site which claimed that one of the fundamental determinants of whether one is an individualist or a statist is upper body strength. Can’t remember where I found the article but apparently being male with bulging biceps and chiseled pecs means that there’s a very high chance that that person’s political views will be individualist rather than statist. Of course, then we have Sylvester Stallone who’s a lefty hypocrite and Arnold Swarzeneger whose best days were when he was starring in The Barbarian. There’s a certain intuitive appeal to this idea as those of us who worked out on weights and kick boxed during our younger years were much more likely to deal with problems ourselves rather than running to the nanny state. Women have low upper body strength and I’m not sure if providing free testosterone injections to women would change the seemingly inexorable trajectory of what were once democracies into one giant happy child care facility where the sheeple are expected to behave in a way to never ever hurt anyone elses feelings.

  31. This is a fine example of the instinctive reaction to turtle when faced with thin skinned silliness from a protected identity group. It’s Romney with the binders. What was the “binders full of women”? It was “I have a gay muslim business partner”, or a black wife, or WHATEVER. It’s a weak escape and tacit admission of guilt that cedes initiative to the opponent and I’m having none of it. Most women vote left and most Germans voted for Nazis. Is that what it takes to prevent LC from being insulted? Do I need to check my privilege and apply qualifiers?
    The Captain’s post is exactly the answer to this nonsense. Real equality – not preferential treatment from courts, workplace and government based on cooked stats from leftist sociologists. Today, in 2013, Ontario may begin legislating a policy that forces private business to explain or face penalties if half the board of directors aren’t female. Actions like that can only happen in a climate of spineless acquiescence. The bottom line is that “the system” is gamed to heavily favour women, and I’m not hearing from enough women interested in sorting that out. If women feel insulted, too bad. If conservatives are concerned about alienating women, too bad. No pain no gain.
    I mean, sometimes you need to look at the root causes. Obviously posts like this happen because somewhere someone feels excluded.

  32. I strongly agree with every word in the Captain’s post, the gist of which is that women have the same rights as men, and shouldn’t be pigeonholed into one role or another, and that men and women alike should deal with the consequences of their own stupid choices and mistakes, and not expect to be bailed out by the taxpayers.
    What he advocates for is reasonable, fair, and just. What isn’t fair – and this is in reference to a commenter or two, not the Captain’s post — is blaming individual conservative women for the fact that, statistically speaking, women are more inclined to vote left than men are.
    After max cited one of the studies that show — and they all do — that women are statistically more likely to vote left, he told LC, who’s *not* a leftist but an avowed libertarian who believes “in individual rights, not identity politics”,

    “So yeah basically it’s your fault.”

    Because she’s a woman.
    Look, if women who vote for a sugar daddy state feel insulted when someone states — quite correctly, as the Captain did — that real equality, and not special privileges, is the answer, tough s**t for them. But when women who oppose the sugar daddy state are told flat-out that they’re responsible for its existence simply because there are other women extant who are in favour of it, that’s just an abuse of statistics in the service of anger.

  33. “So yeah basically it’s your fault.”

    LC was complaining about being insulted before I wrote that. But whatever, my answer to that is to be more insulting. I’m tired of being beaten down for speaking the truth, so offending LC is a win.

    LC: I doubt Thatcher would have thought that it would be good politics to insult half of her potential voters by saying “it’s your fault”

    Except she did that routinely and wasn’t met with men yelling make believe words like misandry/misogyny.

  34. “Today, in 2013, Ontario may begin legislating a policy that ….”
    So why is no one taking that up with the Federal Dept. for the Status of Men? I mean…it’s obvious discrimination.

  36. Umm, his parents, maybe?
    I’m not even sure what your point/perspective is. Are you presupposing that everyone grew up sucking the state tit, or (?)
    I believe Ratt was referring to, and responding in agreement with, the following passage from the Captain’s post:

    For example, if a woman wants to get impregnated at the age of 16…and then 18…and then 21 by three different men, I personally do not care. But when you start telling me I have to pay higher taxes to bail this parasite out of her own idiotic mistakes…

    The notion of taking personal responsibility for one’s own actions (gasp!) isn’t just anathema to a lot sugar-daddy-state supporters, it’s deemed a sexist insult.

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