249 Replies to “Jared Loughner, Via Youtube”

  1. Glacierman
    That was what I wrote Not all atheists are parasites, like not all conservatives are hard workers. Perhaps most, but not all.
    Now, if I insulted you, perhaps you can show me where I did so.
    *****
    I can understand your point, but in your post condemned majority of Chinese, some Asians (Vietnamese, Burmese, and others) some Europeans — Russians, Czech, Slovakian and others.
    And the “god fearing people” is a description associated closely with protestants, with religion rather than with morality as such. Muslims are very much “god fearing people” but I do not think that that kind of “morality” would be what you had in mind.

  3. glacierman
    It is funny, because when Muhammad started to dictate Qu’ran he was not living with Aisha, and he did not even know Aisha.
    I can understand that some people intensely dislike Quran or Islam. But there are so many wrong things which could be condemned , that one does not need to make up stuff which IMHO is unreal.
    As for the pedophiles – how would you call many of medieval kings in Europe? Their brides/wifes were underage (10, 11, 13, ) if apply present day law/morality to them.

  4. Name calling, really, Alex?
    And on a political blog you’d think you’d come up with something that would really sting, like g-man.
    As you were.

  5. Eh. It’s hard to come up with an insult which adequately describes the kind of stupidity it takes to make those kinds of claims about religion and morality.
    Also, if you think “g-man” is an insult, I have to wonder if there isn’t something wrong with you, too.

  6. Alex to put it in terms even you might understand: Phelps is an atheist who says he worships God.

  7. ella, the Quran was compiled writings of the dictates of Mo, but there are also contested variations of the contributors to the texts. They are very disjointed in portions, and the parallel accounts between the two versions of the Torah accounts are similar but the facts are not even close. Take the Abraham account of Issac vs. Ishmael; Cain & Abel. Which one is true, they both can’t be?
    We must remember that Mo did a lot of business with the Bedouin people and would have learned a lot about the Jewish culture and their teachings. He was on the trail with his uncle, who no doubt had a lot of influence on his early education, but being in the culture and around the culture are two very different things.
    The comment about the child brides is still that. Mo was 40 when he “married” Aisha! And which number wife was she? What would a 40 year old possibly need or want with an intimate relationship with an 8 or 9 year old child? Can you give me some insight into that one, please, because I have a really hard time understanding this one!
    As per the kings in other cultures doing this, it still does not make it right.

  8. lol
    Congrats joe – you take the “most idiotic comment of the month” award. I know, the month isn’t over yet, but I can’t see anyone topping that one! Truly beyond parody 🙂

  9. I’ve made an assessment of the posts by Alex: they’re not very long, but, based on the samples we have, for content, he attains a solid Level 0 out of 4: irrelevant content; does not make a reasoned attempt to address the assigned prompt.
    (If I were Alex, I think I’d definitely choose to hide my dimness under a bushel.)

  10. Phelps is condemned by every mainstream Christian denomination, and conservatives alike. He preaches hi-octane hate that is inconsistent with Christianity. Period.
    Only an idiot would even dream of equating this offal with mainstream Christianity.
    Oh, wait…
    Alex, despite your twisting and evading, you’ve still not answered glacierman’s question above.
    mhb

  11. Alex, you still haven’t answered my previous question. The name calling is revelation of your inability to actually come up with a logical or coherent answer, typical of the left. If you can’t argue a point start slinging the mud.
    Time for you to leave your mom’s basement and get out into the real world. Or go play at the Huffington Post where you belong.

  12. Alex 2000 years ago the gold standard was set. Not everyone who says of Jesus ‘Lord Lord’ is a part of the Kingdom. Rather he who does the will of the Father is part of the Kingdom. Jesus went on to explain that preaching sermons, casting out demons, healing the sick miraculously does not mean you are part of the Kingdom. Jesus continued with “there are many pretenders, for where the body is, there the vultures gather” He then observed you don’t pick figs from a thorn bush. You don’t harvest wheat from thistles. By their fruit they are known. Phelps and crew’s fruits are well known.

  13. mhb:
    But frozen-nuts just finished telling me that morality comes from god. If Phelps isn’t getting his morality from god, then where could he POSSIBLY be getting it from??? Clearly you’re wrong, and that sort of behavior is exactly what god wants.
    As for his question – I’ve answered it, you’re just both too dimwitted to understand. Again, I’ll pose the question: where do you get your language from?
    If you believe that 6,000 years ago god created adam and miracled some language skills into him, that, at least, would be completely consistent with the idea that “morals come from god”. Such a statement would be perfectly normal 2,000 years ago – today, it would make you look like a complete idiot to anyone except the most deluded theistic fanatics. If, on the other hand, you can provide a cogent answer to the question, then we have some basis for discussing where morality comes from. Either way, I don’t much care – people who make such asinine statements are rarely worth any serious attention.

  15. So in Alex’s twisted little world, language and morality are one and the same. I’ve got to stop reading that maroon’s posts before I bust a gut laughing.

  17. Well, well, well, what do we see (thanks to Pajamas Media) at the web site of the Democratic Leadership Committee, 2004?
    http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171
    A map with Republican districts targeted—much more graphically than on Sarah Palin’s map.
    BTW, on neither map is either the name or image of the politician to beat shown.
    The mean spiritedness, moral bankruptcy, and utter hypocrisy of the left is altogether exposed—to everyone but them. (Emperor’s New Clothes redux.)

  18. Glacierman, please explain, slowly so I can mouth the words as I read them, how we are parasites and have learned our morals from our “host”. Would that be our Western Laws that we as society have developed over hundreds of years or should we still be tugging our forelock and following the Divine Right of Kings or the highly religious muslims who beat, kill, rape or smash the heads of young girls who don’t want to marry an old man.
    The muslims closely follow the dictates of their moral god so they must be very close to your ideal person. Funny how the highly moral muslims are seething with hatred and butchering their fellow religionists, the innocent Christians, Hindus, Jews or Buddhists. Why is that?
    “The atheist mindset is devoid of morals other than the ones which they absorb from their host, which is from the community where they reside. It is a parasitic relationship. “When is Rome, do as the Romans” is a classic example of mindset of moral code of those who no belief in God, which is whom we get our morals from.” Wow, so the hundreds of people I know, family, friends, business contacts that don’t follow any religion but still managed to not murder anyone, raised great families, volunteer and are solid citizens are somehow deficient and got their code of conduct through osmosis.

  19. Dave, where did you learn the difference between right and wrong, for this is what morals are, right and wrong as defined by Webster’s dictionary.
    You did so through the norms of the society around you. I take it that you reside in North America, so therefore the laws of the land have been taught to you by those around, no? This is what I mean by being parasitic in nature. You have taken the best of what is around you and are using it to fit into the society without too many disruptions in your life.
    If you would have been born and raised in Central America back a couple centuries ago, no doubt you would have been throwing the occasional child into the fire pit to appease the gods because that is what you had been taught, either by words or example. You live a very comfortable life here because of the value system which has been created by the Judeo-Chrisitian laws of inherent value of every human being endowed by the Creator. It is because of this liberty that you have the freedom to post these comments without someone knocking on the door and demand account for what you have posted here.
    The point of my post was to show that atheist get their morals from without rather than within.

  20. glacierman is correct: the atheists of this society stand on the very big shoulders of those who came before.
    The West was built on Judeo-Christianity: “Love thy neighbour as thyself”, the Second Great Commandment, is the basis of our freedoms, human rights, and rule of law (which, as we become more and more secular, are all under serious threat).
    Check out societies not founded on the principles of the Judeo-Christian dispensation: they generally look very different from ours.

  21. So where was Jared’s family or friends in all this? Jared was someone’s son and/or brother. Why did no one intervene on his behalf? Why did the sheriff not act on his earlier threats and have him arrested and evaluated by court order?
    Reports indicate that he was kicked out of a pre-algebra class as well as an advanced poetry class and was refused entry by the army. There is more than enough criteria present to have had him hospitalized or at least evaluated(video’s posted on you tube, pattern of social rejection and testimony of others).
    A preventable tragedy. Jared had a mental illness or either an acquired or an organic brain injury.

  22. No-One – I was thinking about that. This guy – only 22 – was so obviously flat-out mental that I’d be willing to bet money people passing him on the street noticed it. How awful that not one person in the world seems to have made that their business.

  23. Only someone truly ignorant of history could make such claims.
    Never mind that the phrase “Judeo-Christian” is a relatively modern invention; the history of christianity is full of misery and pointless bloodshed, rather reminiscent of modern Islamic nations (though far more oppressive and evil). The ancient Greek and Roman empires were far closer to modern secular society than the feudal kingdoms which replaced them. Christian “morality” caused nothing but pain and suffering for more than a millennium, until the savages were dragged kicking and screaming into a more civilized mode of thought during the Enlightenment. And now you jackasses want to take credit for all the things we’ve achieved, while ignoring the incalculable harm that your silly superstitions have caused? Talk about gal! If you want to see parasites, just look in the mirror.

  24. Taking a break from trolling at the NP Alex, or is that Joe Smoe?? It’s hard to look in the mirror with all those progressive leeches sticking to our body Alex.

  25. PoWinCA:
    despite Orwell being a pacifist
    Your knowledge of Mr. Blair is apparently incomplete. In addition to writing Homage to Catalonia, which you might consider reading as it completely repudiates your charge, he was a steadfast supporter of the Allies throughout WWII and did his best, despite his ill-health, to maintain morale on the home front.
    What Orwell was passionately against was what he called “fascism”, and we more properly call “totalitarianism”. Both Animal Farm and Nineteeneightyfour were written in response to what he’d learned about the Soviet Union, and how it used the language of democratic socialism to hide its goal of subjugating the masses to support a tiny cadre of Party officials and their sycophants.

  26. I suggest that a certain arrogant and ill-informed person come back—with his tail between his legs—after watching the fine, dramatic series, ROME, where he’ll see the pagan world in all its blood, gore, slavery, and “might is right” finery.
    Then, if he watches the interviews with the producers—not Christian, BTW—he’ll note their hat tip to Christianity: it took Constantine’s conversion to Christianity to change Roman society to a much more civilized one.
    Yes, Christianity has had its problems: Christians are human (sinners too), after all. But, to judge Christianity solely on its demerits is—well—the usual idiocy exhibited by this poster.
    I also observe that, as the West becomes more and more secular, our societies are becoming less and less civilized.

  28. Alex, how long did you go to progressive university? You are spewing the liberal history re-write of history.
    Yes there have been some wrongs of the Christian faith but can you answer this question? Approximately how many people were killed during the Inquisition? compared with how many have been killed by the US government?
    During the whole of the inquisition there were under 5000 people put to death, and only a very low number who were executed for their belief.
    As for the atheist rulers, just a few of the names listed above…just between the years 1917 and 2007 there have been in excess of 148,000,000 (that’s 148 million) people who have been killed by ATHEIST kings, presidents, dictators and chairmen.
    So Alex, please don’t start pitching around your vitriol about how awful and evil the Christians have been.
    It is also the Christians who have started almost all of the universities and hospitals in the western and most other parts of the world.
    If you want to start bringing out the facts and not opinion, you will be exposed to hold shallow and factually weak positions in your non-rebuttals.
    Speak away parasite!

  30. “Approximately how many people were killed during the Inquisition”
    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
    Do you have any idea how irrelevant that question is? Did you even see me MENTION the inquisition? Do you actually know how to have a conversation, or do you just memorize and preach?
    “As for the atheist rulers, just a few of the names listed above…just between the years 1917 and 2007 there have been in excess of 148,000,000 (that’s 148 million) people who have been killed by ATHEIST kings, presidents, dictators and chairmen.”
    Hilarious 🙂 Can I see you at Yuk-Yuks, or do you only perform online?

  31. Is he/it a troll who is be getting published in the Chronicle Herald as a mathmatician or is that a statician?

  33. Alex is obviously happy that he has something to bring over to SDA and gloat about, the killing of 6 people including a small child.
    I’m not sure why people are giving him this tragic platform to dance on.

  34. Modern Christianity’s (Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, pick your mainstream denomination) foundation for moral ethics and Christian-like behavior: 10 Commandments & New Testament
    Alex equivalent: the “Rev” Fred Phelps, ostracized by the rest of modern Christianity
    Glacierman: “…just between the years 1917 and 2007 there have been in excess of 148,000,000 (that’s 148 million) people who have been killed by ATHEIST kings, presidents, dictators and chairmen” (facts easily verified if anyone on the lunatic left cared to look)
    Alex: “blah blah blah… history of christianity is full of misery and pointless bloodshed… blah blah…silly superstitions… blah…”
    The last quote from this clown is the money shot. Alex is a religious bigot, a Christian-hater. There’s no point in discussing anything about religion with him; his hatred of it will block any attempts at reasonable discourse. Doubtless to Alex, the Crusades were the Church’s unbridled pogroms against the peaceful, enlightened muslims, as his leftist brethren believe.
    I think I’ll sit the rest of this thread out as it relates to Christians and Christianity, thanksverymuch. Alex, hate on, bro’. Your words are much more revealing about you than your monomaniacal views on the origins of morality.
    mhb

  35. Mhb>
    “Alex is a religious bigot”
    Actually Alex is a religious priest of Atheism. He simply parrots idea’s that other Atheists have handed down to him then tries to convince you/ convert you to the idea that his brand of religion is better than yours.
    Not one of Alex’s ideas is original, you can find them all in the Athiest bibles.

  36. I feel about all religion the way you clowns feel about Islam. Which, of course, makes me an “EEEEVIL BIGOT!!!!11!1ELEVENTY!” in the books of fools, hypocrites, and charlatanism. Do you honestly think that bothers me one bit? 🙂

  37. Alex – “Do you honestly think that bothers me one bit?”
    Yup, or you wouldn’t bring it up on nearly every thread and beat it to death.
    It bothers you, for sure.

  38. Wow. Every time I think I’ve found the biggest idiot on SDA, someone else comes along and takes the prize.
    Read that paragraph again, boy. It’s ok to move your lips. Let me know when you’ve figured out what it actually says.

  41. Glacierman and Lookout,
    “Morals: upright, honest, straightforward, open, virtuous, honorable. 11. integrity, standards, morality. Morals, ethics refer to rules and standards of conduct and practice. Morals refers to generally accepted customs of conduct and right living in a society, and to the individual’s practice in relation to these: the morals of our civilization.”
    Developed by man for man, nothing about religious tenants.
    “Parasitic: an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it.”
    So we atheists who serve in our parliaments, defend our country, volunteer, create businesses, build our society and live the lives of productive honest citizens following the morals of Canadian society are parasites in your eyes because we don’t believe in your god. Have I got that right?
    For the last time atheists are people that simply don’t believe in a god. You do, good for you, but stop with your constant accusations that those who don’t follow in your footsteps are evil or misguided. The vast majority of Canadians do not attend or follow religious services, are they all moral parasites?

  42. Dave, you still don’t understand the basis of morality. It is not stated in your definition, probably a modern / progressive version of the definition, but it is the difference between right and wrong. They are absolutes, and that is what you probably don’t believe to be true, absolutes in your relativistic world view.
    When trying to define this you will either run away or make some feeble excuses for there being no absolutes.
    Also, I don’t believe there is actually any basis for being an atheist. In order to say there is no God, you would have to have possession of all knowledge to state that emphatically. I would venture to say that you are an agnostic, one who chooses to believe that there is no God.
    As per your accusation that I think of all as evil or misguided, you are totally right, but not all the time. Nor are you virtuous all the time, just like me!
    That being said, you are still moral parasites. You do live off the host of your societal laws and values.
    If you would be so kind as to answer me another question. If Sharia law were to be instituted, would you follow the laws of the land or would you stand for the present laws in today’s society? Please remember that should you decide to choose to not follow the laws of Islam, you will, in all likelihood have your head removed from your torso, as you would be an infidel worthy of such punishment.

  43. Dave>
    “For the last time atheists are people that simply don’t believe in a god.”
    I’m with you on the definition Dave. Do you understand that “Atheists” that continually promote “no god exists” over and over again with the obvious intent to sway people who do believe in a “god” are a form of cult or religion onto themselves?
    They “congregate” via media sources and follow their own brand of priest gurus regurgitating the same anti-religious, anti-god ideas over and over. The intent is to covert followers of one brand of religion to their own. In this case it’s that their beliefs are foolish and that belief in nothingness is a better way to exist.
    If you were a true Atheist, none of it would matter; you would move on with your life and care less what others believe in spiritually unless it affected you personally.
    Being solely anti-religion is indeed another matter. You can still be spiritual or at least question whether or not a god exists and not be a hypocritical Atheist that worries about what others believe in. Obviously there are things within religion or certain religions that you can detest with an honest and informed opinion, because you can prove those assertions with first hand experience.
    Alex comes into SDA knowing it’s frequented by a fair number of “believers” and spends his energies trying to convert them into his belief system or at the very least try to make them feel foolish for their own.
    This is not a wise person or anyone of credibility even to a real Atheist.

  44. Between Ujall Douchebag explictly blaming the Tea Parties and Wendy on “The National” (should be called “The Toronto”) and the panel of experts (left, far left, batshit crazy left) feeding the lie even further, I can only channel Ed Broadbent and say, “Mr. Speaker, I’m outraged!!!”

  45. This endless debate between those who are convinced that a God exists and atheists is rather tiresome. The only logical position for someone who is skeptically minded is agnosticism. Many atheists I’ve had personal experience with are as annoying as fundamentalists of [insert religion here] who seem compelled to convert others to their way of thinking.
    Atheism is absolutist and thus rules out the possibility that the whole universe in which we reside is a computer simulation that was started by vastly more advanced beings some 15 seconds ago and all of our memories were initialization parameters for the simulation. Not something which can be disproved although I’d be interested if people did come up with a way of disproving this possibility. As God is described as the creator of the universe, then whoever created the simulation would be God.
    As far as morality goes there is an absolute morality which is dictated by the structure of our brains. This is why the majority of people are easily able to see through the current dogma of relativism and recognize evil when they see it. The underlying neurobiology seems to be equally upsetting to the leftists who are firm believers in the “blank slate” and “noble savage” and to religious conservatives who are upset with the operation of biologic sexual drives. Islam is simply evil as are other totalitarian statist ideologies. Interestingly, the percentage of biologically determined conservatives and liberals is roughly 50:50 although the conservative percentage is rising due to the self-abortion that liberals are performing.

  47. Loki, I agree with you on this endless circle posting.
    It just pisses me off when posters label me for not believing in what they do, calling me a parasite or misguided. I simply do not care about religion and no one I have ever met who feels the same as I do ever tries to convince a religious person to become an atheist or non-believer, we just are totally indifferent.
    We see daily through Islam the absolute power of religious dogma and how religion becomes the dominant force in a society. The constant pounding through enforced prayer, control, death threats and killing of its adherents who transgress the rules or anyone who is perceived as a threat is why it is so powerful. Islam’s big fear, as with any religion or totalitarian state, is allowing its followers interaction with a secular society like ours as they begin to wander away, throwing off its shackles and are allowed to do so by the protection of our laws. We have discussed many times on SDA what happens when that protection is weakened or removed.
    Always amazed me how strong Christian societies like Germany and Russia, steeped in religious morals could in a heartbeat throw them away and begin the most fiendish butchering the world has ever seen.

  48. Posted by me at 2:47 p.m. on January 9:
    “Well, well, well, what do we see (thanks to Pajamas Media) at the web site of the Democratic Leadership Committee, 2004? . . .
    “A map with Republican districts targeted—much more graphically than on Sarah Palin’s map.
    “BTW, on neither map is either the name or image of the politician to beat shown.”
    CORRECTION: The names and districts WERE beneath the Palin map, and, on the Democratic map, with the title, “BEHIND ENEMY LINES”, the districts were noted. However, all the information on both maps was fully in the public domain already: Loughner would have known who his congresswoman was without seeing Palin’s map.
    I don’t have a problem with either map. I DO have a problem with the progressives’ morally bankrupt and altogether hypocritical use of the Palin map.
    On another topic: dave, I disagree with you, but I have never labelled you either a “parasite” or “misguided”. I believe that your thinking on Christianity and its significance to the West is shallow and incorrect, and I’ve backed up my opinion. E.g., To “not care about religion”, an aspect of human life that often decides our fates, for good or ill, doesn’t seem a good idea. (To not believe is your choice—as far as Christianity and most other religions are concerned.) I believe I’ve been civil, as have you.
    ’Interesting: most of the topics here are cyclical: we talk about the same issues day in, day out, and year in, year out. Why should the topic of Christianity—now marginalized and demonized by those with whom most of us disagree—be singled out for censure, as in “been there, done that”? As long as Christianity is belittled and sidelined, I’ll have something to say—and I’ll say it. I think that’s what SDA’s about, isn’t it?
    Germany and Russia? They were overrun by anti-Christian mad people, remember? And if the West doesn’t take a very firm stand against the totalitarian progressives and the Muslims, this will happen to us. See “The lights are going out in Denmark” thread. Does this make any sense to you?

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