Y2Kyoto: Remember To Speak In TALKING POINTS

Baiting The Left 41 Comments

NYT;

Instead of grim warnings about global warming, the firm advises, talk about “our deteriorating atmosphere.” Drop discussions of carbon dioxide and bring up “moving away from the dirty fuels of the past.” Don’t confuse people with cap and trade; use terms like “cap and cash back” or “pollution reduction refund.”

Missing from the article – “When faced with credible arguments, smear your opponents by invoking the Holocaust.” (link fixed)

41 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: Remember To Speak In TALKING POINTS”

  3. Heh, “Cap and Cash Back”.
    And the tax I paid this year is a “Temporary Capitol Region Donation.”

  4. Don’t Forget: instead of “the New York Times” you should now say, “the rag you use to wipe your azz with” as it conveys a much more intimate relationship with their “users”
    Course, given their great marketability, you might not be able to say that for much longer as they crash and burn…guess I’ll have to switch back to that kitten brand.

  6. The lying s-o-bees at MSM/CTV continue to spout the manbearpig’s AGW swine virus.
    Here is the “expert”.
    …-
    “In “The Big Thaw: Travels in the Melting North ,” naturalist-turned-journalist Ed Struzik”.
    Here is the “expert’s” shell game: he’s a Red-Green transnationalist.
    Quote: “”I don’t think we have to give up our sovereignty to do it, but I think the Arctic is too big a place for Canada to manage on its own,” he said.”
    urlm.in/cind

  7. Yep……another primer for sophistry.
    These are the spin-meisters who switched it from AGW to Climate Change.
    Does the term deceit come to mind?

  8. Well kept MSM secret:
    Iggy’s Lib mob passed a motion in favour of a CARBON TAX on their new platform this past Saturday in Vancouver.
    The spectre of Dion is still haunting castle Lieberal it seems…Conservative attack adds soon to follow.
    Ah! Ah!

  10. If that crappy, lying rag wants to save the environment, it can feel free to shut down so it doesn’t kill trees to print their propaganda.

  11. And they shoudl be surprised that the phrase Stop Global Warming is now associated with lower standards of living, nanny state intrusions and anti western/anti capitalist rhetoric.
    Gosh, how did that happen? Its not liek they have been calling for lower population, major tax increases and massive wealth shift from the west to the developing world.

  12. Facts in the way of your agenda? Hell, just ditch the facts.
    It must be so easy to be a liberal.

  13. If they are now worried about the type of climate change that results in the next ice age then I am on board.

  15. Science is on our side.
    The wingnuts are the ones standing on quicksand now.
    Pity them. There’s no need to waste your energy trashing them.
    Expose their hypocrisies using scientific facts. The war against ignorance is almost won.
    Science is never settled.

  16. George Orwell wrote about this kind of stuff decades ago.
    The mass media in general is only eager to act as an official Ministry of Truth.
    The ethics of rewriting history to suit their narrative is of no concern, as the socialist/fascists and other ‘ists follow the march to the abyss, the plebeians don’t notice, don’t know or don’t care.
    And therein lays the downfall of the current cycle of the civilization.

  17. And all conservatives (citizens, bloggers, MPs) have to fight back against this by calling it Cap & Tax or the Carbon Tax every time it’s mentioned–mentioned by a friend, written online, used by a journalist. We can’t let them control this. [Cap & Tax suggested by HatlessHessian at Ace’s]

  18. Like I say the left cannot understand how anyone could reach a different conclusion than they have…so it must be how we are saying it or that the right have corrupted our message!
    You can call it the “Fluffy Bunny Huggie Plan” and once people read the mechanics they understand what is what. This is typical leftist elitism, the unwashed masses do not understand, so lets treat them like the idiots we think they are.
    Only 21% of the US Cap and Charge for naturally occurring gases revenues will be used to mitigate Global Warming (or Promote Fluffy Bunny Hugs) the rest is simply funding for expanding and creating more social entitlement programs.
    The Secretary of the new Department of “Poor-Away Promotions” is adding some great new items to the Poor-Away Family!
    “Mortgage Rate Away” – match the rate you pay on your mortgage with your credit score! Lower is better with Mort age Rate Away!
    “Credit Card Rate Away” – having a credit card is a right you know, but knowing how to read the agreement is optional, with Credit Card Rate Away you never have to worry about being penalized for being a deadbeat!

  19. Climate change deniers?
    Climate has always changed.
    Try to deny that scientific fact.

  20. Gord…re your link….but,but,but.Isn’t the famed and totally superb,bestest of the best, Caitlan expedition disproving all this data? I mean,don’t they have the “one with the open door cab ears” on their side?
    Agree totally,Bart F.

  21. A couple or so years ago, Suzuki was interviewed on The Weather Network channel.
    Ian Sinclair asked Suzuki why he calls it “climate change” now ?
    Suzuki said (paraphrase) because the global warming description did not account for those instances when the earth will warm – North Atlantic thermoclines, ocean currents, blah blah. Liar.
    You could tell by the body language – both Sinclair and Suzuki knew this was baflegarb. Disgusting.
    Now that the real truth is out, the warmongers talk of abandoning ‘climate change’ also.
    Why did they not do what they should have done in the first place ? Cut the BS and promote a policy of clean environment by reasonable methods – no tax-us-to-death, lifestyle destroying scams. But, oh no, they had to go the shock route, the world is ending route.
    Well, they lost. All they succeeded at was in destroying any integrity the world’s Scientists had left. And exposing just how opportunistic the Politicians are.
    The only good that comes out of all this – it revealed just how agenda driven the Media is when it comes to “reporting” the news.

  22. The art of the street Shell game is the stealth removal of the pea from the game when you, the sucker, make your choice of 1 of the three shells (none have a Pea). The Global Warming threat is the “Pea” in the AGW fraud. The AGW fear mongering used to justify carbon trading is the “Public” perception of the flawed scientific rational.
    Global warming–to– Climate change .. This gives cover to those that fear the fraud will be revealed leading to legal & political consequences. Of course the climate has been changing for 4.5 Billion years & will continue for another ~4.5 billion years
    Climate Change–to– Carbon .. Once Carbon becomes the basis of the World Economy you will never hear about Global warming (except from the worthless). The Government mandates will not contain the words Global Warming or Climate Change, nor any meaningful audit of results other than the Carbon nonsense.
    A)Nuclear power will be flat lined because it will deflate the Carbon market.
    B)Scientific research will be controlled such that new technology does not deflate
    the Carbon market.
    He who controls Carbon controls life on this planet. He who seeks that control is a blatant evil bastard. (Gore left office worth 2 Million, he now has ~100 Million)

  23. A tax by any other name is still a tax.
    I think the believers are starting to panic. They know we are onto them in a big way and the word is spreading faster than our cash is disappearing.
    Bad timing, wrong cause. We don’t care about the climate, it does what it wants to and we can do nothing about it other than to get an umbrella or a warm jacket once in while.
    This can only be an actual conspiracy to destroy the western capitalist wealth and put the entire world into some form of subsistence life-style or if it is indeed the beginning of the road to hell where the elites will diminish our numbers while hoarding the technology and using it to enslave us in a futuristic global feudal state.
    For certain they can do nothing about the climate especially if only the west is being robbed to pretend that it’s being somehow fixed … even though it definitely not broken.
    So what other reason for this financial assault upon us, not to mention the fast removal of more of our freedoms everyday.
    I have heard it said that if we get cap and trade, they will get forest fires and much much worse. And that it is a war we are in against our own governments and if we cannot fight them politically, after all, they have the army, police, the media and all the guns, we can use other methods that work pretty well. Ask any Muslim what works. We can learn a lot even from those primitives how to stop a regime from stealing our goats.

  24. From the article: “while avoiding jargon and details about policy, science, economics or technology,”
    Of course, heaven forbid that we confuse the issue with facts and truth.

  25. Momar: “A tax by any other name is still a tax.”
    True and that’s why, as the article suggests, we should never use terms such as “cap and trade” when “tax”, “job killer”, “higher energy prices” or “lowered standard of living” are far more accurate.
    Call it by the result, not the intent.

  27. A poll finds global warming dead last among 20 voter concerns. But…
    “‘We know why it’s lowest,’ said Mr. Perkowitz, a marketer of outdoor clothing and home furnishings before he started ecoAmerica. ‘When someone thinks of global warming, they think of a politicized, polarized argument. When you say ‘global warming,’ a certain group of Americans think that’s a code word for progressive liberals, gay marriage and other such issues.'”
    The solution, he says, is to in effect change the branding by avoiding those pesky “details about policy, science, economics” and “technology”. In other words, *avoid the truth* at all costs and steer the debate instead to jingoistic and marketing terms.
    Hey, it worked so well for Stephane Dion.

  28. Consensus here is that we’ve noticed it’s come down to a marketing scheme to get research money from taxpayers to prove what is already known.
    Time to kick them when they’re down … by using factual science and real observations.
    It’s time to kick down the altar of Gaia, whose enemy is all carbon units, the very human beings that populate this planet. It’s time to spill the contents of their poison chalice of untruth, deception and manipulation.
    Science is knowledge and science will continue to squish these flawed theories into an even more irrelevant position among the general populace.
    Their arms and legs are hacked off, yet they bravely scream: ‘It’s merely a flesh wound.’ Wrong, it’s the death throes of the desperate.
    Teach your children the truth of this evil against humanity.

  29. “focus groups found, it is time to drop the term “the environment” and talk about “the air we breathe, the water our children drink.””
    Of course, “What about the children?”.
    I wish I could say “keep-up the good fight” but I can’t. There is no political opposition to AGW. Unless Democrats stand against BO it’s a done deal. If we were smart IMO, we’d regroup and continue to fight this war on another front. There are no shortages of fronts, we’re being assailed on all sides.
    Americans should be focused on ensuring they can have a fair election. Voter fraud, voter intimidation at polling stations and the count itself seem to be compromised. This is one of many issues that needs a surge.

  30. “Savonarola, aka George Monbiot, is at it again. He just can’t resist it, can he? First of all, damn it, folk like me can’t be tarred with accepting filthy money from the evil pervaders of fossil fuel death, so instead we have to be dismissed because we are “driven by vanity, not cash.” Then, even worse, we have the audacity to be in our “sixties or above”, heaven forfend, and are clearly totally incapable of understanding or writing about anything other than false teeth, the latest twinge, and pensions [although I have no doubt that there are far too many of us ‘oldies’ emitting carbon from our pipes and slippers].”
    http://web.mac.com/sinfonia1/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Clamour_Of_The_Times/Entries/2009/5/1_Sgt_Moonbats_Lonely_Hearts_Club_Band.html

  31. Kate:
    You don’t smear the opponent with the Holocaust denial, you hit them with a V2 rocket.
    Remember V2 rockets are “green friendly” as they used ethanol fuel.
    I mean if you want an ‘explosive debate’ a V2 rocket would definitely fit the bill to bash those ‘climate deniers’.
    “Vergeltungswaffen 2” coming to a green debate near you!
    Cheers
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  32. Remember, the Kyoto Protocol demanded the West bear the brunt while China, India, Brazil, ect would be exempt – to emit and destroy our economies and lifestyles.
    PM Harper was one of the first to push back. Now, even Hillary says there will be no deal without China, ect. Kyoto l is dead. That war has been won.
    If BO’s approval rating continues to plunge, enough Senators and law makers in AGW Scam vulnerable states may push back enough to kill any other forthcoming Kyoto nonsense.

  33. It’s not about science, it’s about reaching the finish line. As I’ve said before, and as it was so eloquently pointed out by Phillip G. Shaw at May 4, 2009 11:11 AM, once the scheme is in place, it will be too late to turn back. My plan, invest now, make money and get out fast and early (1 – 2 years). This bubble will grow and grow and then POP!
    Remember: We need to do whatever we can for the polar bears; except build more nuclear plants as an alternate source of clean energy. As bad as the eminent worldwide disaster will be, it won’t be nearly as bad as storing spent nuclear fuel.

  34. Indy:
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand most polar bear populations are increasing.

  36. “focus groups found, it is time to drop the term “the environment” and talk about “the air we breathe, the water our children drink.””
    Please don’t forget about the poor sea kittens.

  37. Alright, I’m joking!
    I thought this statement was so ridiculous that is could only be taken as sarcasm. I’ve posted it twice and been told that the Polar Bears are fine. Obviously I’m not as witty as I thought; or, people really do think storing spent fuel is worse than a world-wide DISASTER. I thought a disaster was as bad as it could get.

  38. From the NYT article —
    Opponents of legislation to combat global warming are engaged in a similar effort. Trying to head off a cap-and-trade system, […]. Coal companies are taking out full-page advertisements promising “clean, green coal.
    […]
    Frank Luntz, a Republican communications consultant, prepared a strikingly similar memorandum in 2002, […] suggested referring to themselves as “conservationists” rather than “environmentalists,” and emphasizing “common sense” over scientific argument.
    So it’s standard PR talk. I’ll be waiting to see if they //drop the term “the environment” //

  39. This is the tact they should have taken from the outset. Clean air and water are indisputeably better than alternative. And they are within the realm of possibility. Reducing carbon emissions is far more difficult and the goal far frombing proven as worth the effort.
    The problem is that clean air and water regulations do not require a new order of global governance – the laws already exist just the levels need to be made stricter – and that is what these people really wanted to create post the fall of communism.
    Saving the environment always has been a cover – the Trojan horse – for the scheme.

  40. SYF
    “Correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand most polar bear populations are increasing.”
    Most are but a few are declining. Carbon is at fault. Do you know how much carbon there is in a bullet? Not surprisingly, the leftards want to ban those as well. I see a trend… lol.

  41. gord, water and air are two of the most important things on the planet along with land that will grow food. co2 is not part of any pollution that will have a negative effect on our health. dirty air with particulate matter floating in it is a problem as is water that has chemicals in it that will kill people. with 6.5 billion people on the planet i think we are doing ok. nature will decide when there are too many humans on the planet.

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