Calling out Liberal pillow-talkers posing as political pundits;
The continuing disregard the Liberals have for the West was illustrated perfectly by their now-defunct leader Stephane Dion’s back room deal with the NDP, supported by the Bloc Quebecois, to defeat the Harper government — post election — without having to fight another one.
Indeed, it’s hard to imagine a Liberal caucus with any significant representation from Western Canada, or even one truly concerned about national unity, agreeing to such a deal, knowing the fury it would set off in the West.
Much of the Ottawa media — who constantly adopt the Liberal narrative of Canada as their own — joined the Liberals in blasting Harper for saying what was accurate: That the Liberal/NDP/Bloc accord is an unprecedented deal with Quebec separatists, giving them more power than they have ever had before, and one which, if implemented, would weaken Canada.
This Liberal/media complaint was based on their insistence calling separatists, separatists is forbidden, because it offends Quebecers, unless, of course, Liberals are doing it, in which case it’s OK.
Precisely.
Well, at least Lorrie Goldstein is one common sense voice in the Toronto Liberal media complex. Virtually all of the rest are Martin/Dion/Ignatieff Kool Aid drinkers. Harper bad, Duceppe good.
The MSM didn’t hesitate to refer to it as the Liberal/NDP co-alition conveniently leaving out reference to the Bloc. But their fairy tale is belied by their own pictures of Dion and Layton at the table with Duceppe showing clearly a troika. Canadians won’t forget those pictures, no matter how they spin it. The hypocrisy is the worst I’ve seen in my 73 years.
Je me souviens. I’ll never forget, and I’ll never stop reminding people that they climbed into bed with SEPARATISTS.
There can be no coalition without the bloc because the numbers are not there.
They simply don’t get it,
Having nearly losing all my holdings due to the NEP of the communist Turdeau in 1980 along with most other Albertans, it has been my mission to warn others of the mental disorder called liberalism since. Liberals are nothing more than theives disguised as caring politicians, every program they bring in facilitates skimming of money off the top, look at the angry faces on them, then look at the angry faces of the pundits that support them. These are not happy people when their money supply is cut off. Western Canada and parts of Ont. are long term thinkers, we know the value of work and creating assets, liberals just like to confiscate wealth, it is easier for them. That is why we shun liberals out here.
Liberals carbon tax was responsible for Western Canadians (as well as many other Canadians) to be disenchanted with the Liberals in the last election.
Canadians are waiting for Ignatieff to let us know if there is more than banalities and platitudes to this new leader of the Liberal party.
He was Deputy leader of the Liberal Party in the last election – not a lone wolf.
He promoted the carbon tax and the Green Shift across Canada, and are we to assume, he is still a proponent of it, or is he firmly on the fence so Canadians don’t know where he stands.
Is this another dodge that has become his trade mark
“A carbon tax if necessary but not necessarily a carbon tax”
and this follows closely on his equivocation on the coalition
“A coalition if necessary but not necessarily a coalition”
Some political pundits may accept that as statements of some substance, but Canadians are not fooled, and know the speaker is weaseling out, on issues of importance to Canadians.
When will the media smoke him out on his principles and beliefs, so Canadians learn if he has any, or do they change with the winds of public opinion.
Lorrie Goldstein is one of the most insightful Canadian journalists in Canada today and rightly condems the Ottawa centered media simply as Liberal narrators.
I have been referring to them as Liberal (CTV, CBC, Global, G&M, Red Star) “lickspittle” for years now, perhaps a tad more strident a view than Mr. Goldstein affords his competitors, but plainly biased in favour of the leftists.
Finally his view is being dissemminated in south western Ontario papers as the Quebecor Sun chain influence is spreading.
Good on you Lorrie Goldstein, you make valid points..
Are you listening Iggy?
The Liberal party has a specific and by now, totally fictional perspective about Canada.
First – a perspective on population and economy. The Liberal view is that of post WWII Canada when the population and economy was centred in Quebec-Ontario. The rest of Canada was irrelevant and viewed as a source of raw resources and tax money.
The fact that this view is no longer valid is unrecognized by the Liberals. The fact that the population and economy have shifted west; that Quebec is now a shell; that Ontario has moved into a have-not province – all of this is unrecognized.
The Liberal agenda is to ignore reality and focus on the fiction. Their policies, what they have, are to support the fiction rather than reality.
Second – perspective on identity. This identity is also manufactured; it is a fiction. It has nothing to do with reality. This false identity of Canada is that it is bilingual – when it is not; that it is multicultural – when it is not for immigrants are instead balkanized and kept as special voters blocs. Further fictions refer to freedom of speech, and to our economic reality. With regard to the latter, our dependency on the US economy is ignored; our lack of an investor class is ignored..and so on.
Third – governance. The Liberal view is entrapped within the Montreal-Ottawa corridor. There is no reality outside this bubble. This identity of governance is 2/3 francophone and specifically Montreal, and 1/3 Ottawa-Toronto.
This is an elitist view of government. The Liberals operate within a two-class perspective of a nation. There is the government, made up of elite Wise Men primarily based in Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto – and the peasants who are expected to follow these Wise Beings.
This is known as a Sovereignist style of government, where a group governs as a Ruling Party by ‘divine right’ rather than as a political party based on the electorate’s acceptance of their political policies.
Fourth- economy. Again, the Liberals are a generation out of date, viewing Canada as raw resources and subsidized industries linked to American industries. This view ignores and refuses to develop an economy based around small to medium business, innovative small industries, non-dependent medium businesses. It relies on exporting our ‘made in Canada’ goods primarily to the US rather than being competitive in the world market.
These four basic points: a focus confined to Quebec-Ontario; a fictional manufactured made-in Ottawa cultural identity; an elitist Sovereignist style of government; and a dependent economy based on govt subsidized industries and a non-competitive marketing…that’s the Liberal Party.
The Conservative Party has been attempting to change our governance to recognize the realities of Canada – to take Canada and Canadians away from the fictions created by the Liberals and allow reality to be expressed in our governance.
So- fiction or fact – which shall we choose to live by?
as an aside, Giggles and the Owl has a Sun Media reporter on QP Sunday.
Bodes a better balance to the reporter’s comments than Tonda and Travesty.
A well-thought article slamming the Liberals from a Toronto newspaper??? This must be sarcastic.
Or else Goldstein is about to be fired.
The west has every reason to dispise this central Canada power play, for exactly the reasons Goldstein suggested. Ignoring the wishes of 4 entire provinces is not exactly nation building.
BUT, there had to be a but.
Get over the NEP already. It was 20 plus years ago. It’s over. It’s a lesson learned.
Western Canadians will never forget the Liberals selling them down the road to separatists. The NEP was bad enough but this bit of treachery is second to none.
“A well-thought article slamming the Liberals from a Toronto newspaper???”
Have you ever read the Sun? Are you sure you live in Misissauga?
Remember one of the new generation of bright lights in the Liberal parti, one Justin of Trudeau, opined a coalition with the Bloc is good for Canada.
One of the biggest jokes in the HOC is Wayne Easter from PEI standing and YELLING about the wheat board on a regular basis. Maybe he should shift his crop to potatoes to match up with his head and reality.
Oh well, the whole freaking Liberal party is becoming a story line for a comedic farce.
Perhaps I should add a fifth fiction held by the Liberals – Quebec separatism.
The terms ‘separatism’ and ‘sovereignty’ are interchangeable. You cannot be sovereign over yourself, whether you are an individual or a nation, unless you are separate from another individual or nation.
And criticizing the role of the Bloc in this triadic coalition is a just and valid act. That’s because the coalition doesn’t exist without two things – the numbers of the Bloc seats and the Bloc’s written agreement that, without even reading the Motions, they will support all and any financial/confidence Motions put forth by the coalition for almost two years. How’s that for elistist governance? The votes of ALL MPs in the House are totally irrelevant; the only votes that count – are those of the Bloc.
Criticizing this undemocratic tyranny is valid and has zilch to do with bashing Quebec.
Back to separatism/sovereignty. As we all know, Quebec has no intention or ability to leave the federation. It can’t afford to; and if it left, its economy, dependent as it is on the federal largesse, would collapse.
However, the Liberals have effectively made use of this fictional threat to ‘separate’ and have brainwashed Ontario into thinking that they have to Vote Liberal to Keep the Country Together.
Canadians are tired of extortion and special benefits to Quebec, tired of being threatened with separation..oops, sovereignty..tired of being brainwashed by an Ottawa government focused only on its own retention of power.
The fact that the NDP-Liberals-Bloc could actually believe that they had the right to set up an unelected government – that shows their ‘dementia’.
What about their telling us that 62% voted ‘against Harper’ and therefore, for a coalition? Fiction. We voted for the policies of a particular party, NDP or Liberal or Marxist-Leninist or Communist or Green..(and their 62% includes all these parties)..We didn’t vote for them all. But the Liberal coalition is telling us that we did.
One thing the Liberals CAN do. Tell us stories.
I don’t get the whole love Quebec/hate the west thing from the central Canada.
Quebec complains constantly about not being given enough. The West only complains when too much is being taken away.
Quebec is an economic basket case. The West is prosperous and financially stable.
Quebec has spent the last 30+ years threatening to get out. The West only wants “in” but without the condescending attitude from central Canada.
Recognizing that the West, not Quebec, is a far better partner to build a strong united Canada should be obvious.
Dave…is Goldstein new to you? He’s been going against the flow for quite awhile. And he has been known to slap Harper on the wrist occasionally, so don’t read any bias into his writing.
He has common sense, and he doesn’t bow to the Lib propaganda machine.
As usual he is right on today.
lynnh wrote “I don’t get the whole love Quebec/hate the west thing from the central Canada.”
You have obviously never talked to the average (outside of Toronto) Ontarian.
There is an old saying “You can’t believe everything you read in the newspapers” Remember most journalists are “educated” by Liberal professors and really can’t think for themselves. That is why you read the same rhetoric over and over again in almost every column no matter who the author.
Even in, the largely French speaking, Northern Ontario they don’t have much use for Quebec.
Tell you what Atlantic Jim.I will come back to the Maritimes,screw you up the butt,rape your wife and kids,take your pension and job,and kick you and yours out of your house to living in some box under a bridge.Then you can come back in 20 years and listen to me tell you to “get over it.You Lieberal/socialists all come from the same scum pit
(Sorry Kate for feeding the troll,which AJ has trust proved,he really is)
My biggest concern is that the Conservatives have been in a coalition with Western Separatists for quite some time, now. That is the true undemocratic and poisonous relationship. Last time I voted, I didn’t see that coalition on the ballot. Therefore this government must be illegitimate and undemocratic.
Atlantic Jim, there is an old saying, that those who don’t remember their history are bound to repeat it. The West will NOT get over the NEP. It shall remain the quintessential action of Central Canadian bigotry toward the West and it needs to be branded into the Canadian psyche forevermore. No nation on earth should ever do the kind of economic damage to its own citizens that the central Canadian Liberals’ NEP did to Western Canadians.
Trust me quimby.PMSH has no more love of the West than any other politician.He is in it for one thing,power.Western separatists despise him as much as they do Querbec.
To Guimby at 11:15 Could you explain your premise as it is hard to follow.
Quimby,
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If it boils down to a choice between Quebec separatists and your so called western separatists I’ll say “Salut Quebec, et bon voyage,” enjoy your trip, while I head for the land of black gold and diamonds.
Hey! AtlanticJim you should be the one to be telling us in the west to get over the NEP and that was 20 years ago,why dont you tell Danny Williams to get over his rants and to suck it up or is it different when its in the atlantic that gets f#@cked
Atlantic Jim…..asking Alberta to forget about the NEP is like asking a battered wife to forget about the beating the night before. No, I think rather than forgetting about the NEP, I will continue to remember it but I’ll even go one step further. I will ingrain the NEP situation into my kids so they know what a snake looks like the next time they see one.
ET….you raise some valid points. There is a book titled “The Patriot Game” by Peter Brimelow that (now although 20 years old), is very instructive regarding Canada and the “fictional perspective” of the Liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Patriot_Game_(book)
AtlanticJim: Get over the NEP already.
We would get over it, but the Quebec based politicians keep reminding us of how we were raped.
During the election Dion told us that when he switched us over to a green economy that it would only take Alberta ten years to get back to being a prosperous place to live.
Layton flew over one minuscule portion of the oilsands and told us he was going to put a freeze on any new development.
Duceppe informs one and all that Alberta should contribute more to equalization. (with most of it going to Quebec, of course)
May proclaims that she wants to shut down all oilsands activity.
Gee, why would we remember the NEP?
When Taliban Jack was asked what price will be paid to Duceppe’s seperatists for their support of the coalition of the swilling, he said a ‘strong environmental program’. One would assume that this means the carbon cap and trade system advocated by Duceppe to be headquartered in Montreal is at the center of this payoff. Although this extortion system is not understood because of any honest explanation it has very little to do with swapping of head-wear.
More calling out, in the Toronto Sun today. apparently “…grassroots Liberal members actually like democracy…”
It’s Jack Layton who worries me the most about this coalition. Can you imagine the stimulus package a guy like that could come up with? Putting him in government would be like playing with dynamite.
I’ve been around the political block quite a few times now and Quimby’s comment about the Conservatives being in a coalition with western separatists is about as stupid a comment as I’ve ever seen. The whole thrust of the Reform movement was that the West wanted in, not out. While there has always been a fringe of die hards, the vast majority of westerners have no stomach for political separation. Speaking of illegitimate and undemocratic, Jack Layton indulged in a conspiracy with Duceppe to subvert the will of the electorate and form a “coalition” with himself as “co-leader”. How’s that for poisonous Quimby?
Twenty years ago the Liberals blatantly stole from Alberta,companies packed up and moved and the bewildered affected populace were left to fend for themselves.Today the same threat looms on an even larger scale but the fine tax paying people of Alberta according to one poster,should forgive and forget.Somehow,I don’t think that’s going to happen.
quimby – could you provide some proof for your opinion that the Conservative party has ‘been in a coalition with Western Separatists’ for quite some time now. Thanks.
We have proof that the NDP-Liberals-Bloc are in a coalition. This proof can be found in their signed documents establishing that triadic coalition of December 1, 2008. Note that this coalition was made after the October 14/08 election and therefore, any suggestion by the coalition that the electorate voted for that framework on October 13 is invalid.
The key question in all of this coalition mess is why did the coalition make its move so early instead of surprising Mr. Harper in Parliament where he would not have the opportunity of proroguing the session?
The logical answer is that the coalition announcement was timed to have the maximum effect in regard to the Quebec election. I would hazard a guess that this was the price Mr. Duceppe demanded of Mr. Dion and Mr. Layton for Bloc support.
So the Quebec election saw a projected comfortable majority for Mr. Charest slip to almost minority status because the Liberals and NDP sold out Canada for a chance to govern. Blaming Mr. Harper for alienating Quebeckers was simply covering their tracks, a “Liberal red herring” so to speak!
We in the west might forget the NEP when the Atlantic provinces wake up, and forget a stmt made about them. That was only a stmt, but the NEP was real. The stmt was true, the NEP a fact that damaged and ruined many Albertans and hurt all of us, one way or another.
It seems telling the truth is a no;no, in the liberal camp and the media. Separtists are separtists, and that is the truth. The coup leaders need them or they don’t have enough votes. Pay attention to the first sentence in their pact.
CANADIANS AND QUEBECERS. And they think the GG would invite them in to govern Canada. Her out is in that sentence.
And regardless, the truth will come out that this coup was planned before the last election, and PMSH heard about it, realized it was true, and called an election. Something the plotters were sure he would not do because of the fixed election date.
And the controller, Iggy has ordered his minions not to talk. What is he afraid of.
Earl,that may be true.Also,I think that the coalition trap was sprung at that time because the Bolshevils know that the GG would be reluctant to call another election so close to the previous one,thereby increasing their chance to form the gov’t.
Sure lets know that Ralph G. is only in politics for Ralph and not for Sask. best interest.
“Indeed, it’s hard to imagine a Liberal caucus with any significant representation from Western Canada, or even one truly concerned about national unity, agreeing to such a deal, knowing the fury it would set off in the West.”
Hey … didn’t Ralph Goodale condemn the Green Shift and refuse to sign on to the coalition agreement due to the dissatisfaction that these initiatives would cause in the West? What an absolute daydream that is!
When are the voters in his riding going to finally wake up to the fact that Mr. Goodale is nothing more than a opportunistic yes-man and give him his just reward …. unemployment!
The coalition was sprung when it was because of the cuts in party funding. They got off their collective asses as soon as they saw their money going away. It may have been in the works for awhile but that was the catalyst.
What amazes me even more is that the Liberal Party of Canada thought enough of Stephane Dion to support a NDP lead PUTSCH to make Dion Prime Minister of Canada… yet only hours after the failure to secure the coalition; Mr. Dion was immediately considered by the party as inadequate leader to lead the party until a democratic election of a new leader in May.
Needless to say the MSM lackies such as Craig Oliver, Robert Fife and Jane Taber sure don’t see it that way…. or even the pit bull Sheila Copps..
With regards to remembering the NEP and how the west was screwed, we should also not forget that the last PM that did the “….. if necessary, but not necessarily……” speech sent hundreds of thousands of English speaking Canadians off to war without a choice but let French-Canadians ‘volunteer’ for overseas duty. So don’t bring Iggy on the national stage and tell me the Liberal party has learned and it’s going to change. They are desperate to get back into power to hide the rest of the secrets that a majority Harper government might uncover. The Adscam scandal now appears as very small potatoes compared to the EI decision from the Supreme court. Lord knows what else has been hidden by the Liberal appointed bureaucrats while they were in power.
The writer put it much more nicely than I would have.
WRT Atlantic Jim
“Don’t argue with fools…” Clearly he has no idea what he is speaking about. The beauty of western separation is it doesn’t matter what central/eastern Canadians think or say. It’s none of their f’n business.
Earl the Pearl – the timing of outing of this troika of bolsheviks has puzzled me since they all had that queerly surrealistic signing ceremony.
The Quebec election did not occur to me. Does the Liberal cupie doll Prime Minister in Que. know about this; or was he ‘in on it’? Things that make me go hummm.
Atlantic jim and quimby
I’ll forget about you two bozos before I ever forget the nep. I was living in calgary then and let me tell you aholes it was no picnic.
Atlantic jim, take your culture of defeat and put it where the sun don’t shine you puffin prick.
The Liberal Party of Canada is about power and power only – not governance for the people.
– Liberals were in shock when, by a fluke, Dion won the leadership.
– In the following general election, even Liberals shunned Dion.
– But held their collective noses and went along with a backroom deal that would install Dion as PM.
– Held their noses again and made a deal with arch enemy, the NDP.
– Held their noses some more and got into bed with their sworn enemy, the Separatists.
– Held their noses again to install a new (savior) Liberal leader in the hope regaining power quickly – continuing with the coalition if necessary.
All for the sake of gaining power to … govern ? No. To hand out more pork to all those who cannot earn a living any other way, by gov’t largess.
Aided and abetted by a corrupt media that is made up of people who, by and large, cannot make a living any other way.
That’s certainly an interesting sceneario, that the December 1st announcement was linked to the Quebec provincial election, as an attempt to boost PQ or ‘separatist’ power vs Charest. Such a rise in separatist power would boost federal Liberals for they have long set themselves up as The Defenders Of Unity.
Of course, to achieve such an image, they have to first foster separatist sentiments.
I think there are a number of issues.
First, the coalition was not an overnight reaction but a plan developed since and even before the October election. Layton had several agendas; he wanted to replace the Liberals as the Opposition. Failing that, he wanted to take over the government via a coalition. It might have been suggested as just a Liberal-NDP coalition but with the severe loss of Liberal seats they had to bring in the Bloc.
Didn’t they realize that their framework set up the Bloc as the sole power in the House? Their December 1st mandate and letter does just that, and even more, points out that this acknowledges Quebec as a separation nation, by its wording of ‘Canadians and Quebecers’. Perhaps they did realize it and set it up to ensure that Quebec was on their side – and that Ontario would be as a result, frightened of separation.
This is the traditional Liberal strategy of inflaming Quebec to change ‘Separation’ and shaming and frightening Ontario into support for the Liberals.
I think that Harper found out that the coalition planned to spring their putsch on budget day and smoked them out with his daring them to pass a Motion that would remove their federal subsidies.
They fell for it but I think they were surprised by the extremely hostile reaction of the country to their planned take-over of our government. Without an election. And set up as immune to any election for several years.
Oh – and their new definition of themselves as arm in arm with the Marxist-Leninists, the Communists, the Marijuana, the neorhino..all of these parties are counted within their 62%. Heh. The New Liberal Party – a communist party. Heh.
Why is that Conservatives are always in charge during severe economic downturns? Coincidence? Vengeful God? Karma? or bad fiscal management?
My guess is all of the above.
Reminder to All: I’ve started a research project to document the “pillow talk” between members of the MSM and the Liberal Party of Canada.
If you know of more connections, please let me know: http://pelalusa.blogspot.com/2008/12/liberal-party-of-canada.html
“Get over the NEP already. It was 20 plus years ago…”
The punchline? AtlanticJim.
See those nice roads outside your door, Jim? See those nice public buildings?
Nice, eh?
Atlantic Jim: Je me souviens.
I have never filled up at a PetroCanada. I know many people who never have as well.
PS – Atlantic Jim – my msg was supposed to be said in a cordial voice, but didn’t come across that way, no offence taken I hope.
“I don’t get the whole love Quebec/hate the west thing from the central Canada.”
Don’t feel bad, lynnh. I moved to Toronto 40 years ago and still haven’t managed to figure it out. It could have something to do with weird gravitational forces at work here in the center of the universe. There’s no other rational explanation for it that I can see.