“How The West Was Lost”

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Calling out Liberal pillow-talkers posing as political pundits;

The continuing disregard the Liberals have for the West was illustrated perfectly by their now-defunct leader Stephane Dion’s back room deal with the NDP, supported by the Bloc Quebecois, to defeat the Harper government — post election — without having to fight another one.
Indeed, it’s hard to imagine a Liberal caucus with any significant representation from Western Canada, or even one truly concerned about national unity, agreeing to such a deal, knowing the fury it would set off in the West.
Much of the Ottawa media — who constantly adopt the Liberal narrative of Canada as their own — joined the Liberals in blasting Harper for saying what was accurate: That the Liberal/NDP/Bloc accord is an unprecedented deal with Quebec separatists, giving them more power than they have ever had before, and one which, if implemented, would weaken Canada.
This Liberal/media complaint was based on their insistence calling separatists, separatists is forbidden, because it offends Quebecers, unless, of course, Liberals are doing it, in which case it’s OK.

Precisely.

108 Replies to ““How The West Was Lost””

  1. Quimby your assertion holds no water. The seeds of a downturn are usually sown long before the peak of the upturn. It’s called CONSUMER OVERSPENDING causing RUNOUTOFMONEYITIS. It’s just politically convenient for you to forget that.

  2. Quimby, it’s my assertion that few governments can govern in the present or the future – rather they all function in an time-lagged environment that was created five years ago.
    Conservatives have not stayed in power for a significant period of time to see the fruits of their decisions – eg GST implementation, free trade etc.
    So, I believe in large part the current macroeconomy is the result of what was done years ago – kinda like steering a large ship.

  3. Well, ET, the Liberals have always prided themselves as being ‘inclusive’, no mention of principles.

  4. quimby – the problem with your comments is that they are made without facts or analysis. You just lump different terms together! A nice term for that behaviour is ‘unintelligent’. It’s like a computer that’s been hit with a virus and spouts unintelligible unrelated words.
    You lumped the Conservative party with Western Separatists’. No proof. You just did it.
    Then you lumped Conservatives, economic downturns, karma, vengeance, bad fiscal management. No proof. You just did it.
    If you aren’t a virus but are attempting to make intelligent comments on this blog, you have to provide both facts and logic when you attempt to link terms together.
    Otherwise, flibberty flabberty mouse house.
    You lumped

  5. That’s all fine and good. Now, next time the Harper minority government wins a vote in the Commons with just the support of the Bloc — which he has done many times – I expect Harper to call that a defeat and accept the consequences.

  6. One thing that our political and media culture excels at is denying reality.
    All this talk about how horrible it is that the Liberals and NDP would welcome the “bloc”, the “separatists’” as part of a coalition is nonsense when examined beyond the end of ones nose!
    As contrary as this may sound The Bloc has not existed all these years in order to advance a sovereign Quebec.
    It was created as a reaction to the Reform party and its purpose has been to extract as much cash as possible from ROC using the “threat”, to achieve that end. It has worked well, with the so called deep thinkers of the rest of the cast, going along with the scam, advancing and keeping this myth alive.
    In committee the Bloc has supported the liberals and NDP 90% of the time. They are the Quebec wing of the liberal and NDP parties and it has taken a minority “conservative” party with a western base to finally expose and shine a light for the public, as to this fact. That’s the reality!
    The unprecedented LONGEVITY of the Harper minority government has resulted in the players of this charade becoming very uncomfortable. I have said in the past that Harper should have taken us to the polls in a historical time frame. Twelve to fifteen months. I warned that events would overtake him. That’s what the Liberals would have done. In stead, as he has stated, “he liked being prime minister”! His caucus was enjoying the perks of power and they ceased being politically smart.
    Also Quebec separatists were part of the Mulroney coalition so to whine about them taking part in this coalition is wasting energy and intellectually dishonest.
    Rather they should concentrate on exposing all this for what it really is, a power grab motivated but an elitist political cast driven by eastern bigotry!
    Remember what Chretien said about dealing with westerners. Was it not Justin’s dad who as PM gave westerners the finger?

  8. No, mark bourrie, you don’t understand the situation with the Bloc.
    The Bloc is, unfortunately, a legitimate party in the federal legislature. My own view is that it should never have been accepted, but Chretien allowed it as part of his propaganda tactic of keeping separatism in front of the public eye, to keep Ontario Liberal.
    As a party in the House, its MPs are required to vote on all Motions. They can support or not support the existing government. They can vote as individuals or as a party. They make their decisions based on their analysis of the single Motion put before the House. What’s different about the coalition set-up?
    It’s their Before-A-Motion signed agreement that no matter the content of the Motion, they will support the Coalition. Think about that.
    The Bloc is agreeing to side with the Coalition without even having read or heard the Motion. That’s a violation of their duty as MPs to vote on the actual content of the Motion. Again, they’ve signed an agreement – something unheard of in our legislature – to support the Coalition’s fiscal Motions over a period of almost two years – without even knowing the content.
    Instead of voting on the content of the Motion they are voting for partisan political agendas. Again, this is a violation of their duty as MPs to read, hear, think about, analyze, question the Motion..and then vote based on all those actions.
    Their agreement to support the Coalition is on fiscal Motions, which means that they are preventing the coalition from falling and being sent to the electorate. This is a violation of our democratic rights – the rights of the electorate to have a legislature to which THEY agreed.
    After all, the Coalition has no electoral legitimacy. It was never voted in as a coalition, and the NDP-Liberal’s signed agreement with the Bloc prevents it from being put to the electorate for almost two years. That’s a violation of our democratic rights.
    There is absolutely no comparison of this agreement with the Bloc MPs voting for or against each single Motion in the House. This is a signed agreement made before they even see the Motion, that they will support the Coalition.

  10. Nice to see that the ‘conservatives’ in here recall the NEP, and the brutal costs thrown onto one region, to service another. Divide and conquer politics indeed.
    Unfortunately, the Conservatives proposed carbon tax being negotiated in Poland will heap billions in new taxes onto Alberta.
    It is sad that partisan bias preempts rational discussion.
    Maybe that’s what political parties really want to do…
    (Hey, just taking a wild guess y’know)

  11. Posted by: ET at December 15, 2008 2:54 PM
    It’s called whipping the vote ET. All parties do it – and Harper only permits MPs to vote how they want on select moral issues.
    There is no mechanism outside of the PMO that determines this. Same as all the other parties.
    Partisanship is mindless. Think for yourself.

  13. goldstein is almost as conservative as i am. i read his work regularly. he is a conservative.

  14. my poor communication.
    Should have read: “…and Harper only permits Conservative MPs to vote….”

  15. Nothing changes the fact the coalition has no legitimacy.
    The concept of a People’s Republic of Canada through blodless revolution, led by the Canadian Labour Congress’ sock puppet Jack Layton, has suffered a setback that will be remembered as long as the NEP.
    Can you imagine a party that got 18% of the popular vote who’s now polling closer to 10%, with six cabinet seats.
    Freakin’ Bolsheviks (look it up). How dare they?
    Roy Green’s about to interview Taliban Jack on the radio.
    After he ripped apart John McCallum on the weekend, this should be interesting.
    He’s on right now.

  16. hardboiled – whipping the vote of your own party about a Motion that your party is putting forth is not the same as signing an agreement with another party that no matter what is in that Motion put forth BY THAT OTHER PARTY, your party will support it.
    The fact that you can’t see the difference between making a decision based on the content of the motion (whipped or not) and a decision made without seeing that content but instead made via a previously signed party-to-party agreement…I can’t do much about that.
    Please provide proof that MPs are only allowed to vote as they wish on ‘select moral issues’. Free votes are not that unusual. Has it ever occurred to you that a free vote could, just possibly, mean that the individual himself agrees with the party Motion?

  18. Has it ever occurred to you that a free vote could mean that the individual himself agrees with the party Motion?
    Posted by: ET at December 15, 2008 3:37 PM
    Sure it could, and it could not. The Cons permitted freedom of vote on blessing gay marriage, but not the Accountability omnibus.
    I can’t explain fact to one who denies it, or demands ‘proof’ from the PMO. Ask your MP (if they’re ‘conservative’.
    You have been very critical of the Green Shaft. How come not on the Cons carbon tax?

  19. The Quebecois are a nation within a united Canada.
    That was passed by Parliament.
    As Roy Green pointed out to both McCallum and just now to Jack Layton, the preamble to the agreement purports the coalition will work for Canada and Quebec.
    Since when has Quebec become a separate entity and why is such a divisive statement present?
    Layton and the Dion-led Liberals desperate for power has sold Canada down the river … or is that Trois-Rivieres?

  20. Posted by: ET at December 15, 2008 3:37 PM…a decision made without seeing that content but instead made via a previously signed party-to-party agreement…
    This is not any different than any person signing onto a party itself. That person agrees to vote for the party when whipped – and they do not know all of the legislation they’ll be voting on in the future.
    They signed over their conscience when they signed the dotted line. That’s why whips exist. And the Party Leader tells the whips when to do their thing.
    Because it is cross party doesn’t mean much.
    Nor does the title ‘Conservative’ mean the party is, in fact, ‘conservative’.

  21. As a confirmed Western Separatist I must say I was disappointed in the Quebec election results. Had more with the same leanings anted up a little more cash and been a little more vocal the PQ might well have gotten a majority. They came a lot closer than everyone had imagined, quebec separatism is dead? Support for the PQ may have gotten rid of quebec and if nothing else at least forced their hand. The sooner quebec is forced to show that hand the better off the people of Canada will be regardless of your political leanings. The entire quebec mentality is a cancerous leach in and on our society, take your condescending arrogance and bugger off quebec.

  22. ET: **see the difference between making a decision based on the content of the motion (whipped or not) and a decision made without seeing that content**
    This is kind of like what Layton has committed to do with the upcoming budget proposal.
    And the Liberals…Scott Brison was interviewed today on the noon MSM (ptui) news, and although he had only one talking point, he managed to answer every question with that point, regardless of context. The point being, although Mr. Flaherty seems open to discussion, we probably won’t get anywhere until the Conservatives acquiesce to the Liberals’ demands for “realistic numbers”. Over and over and over again (at least 6 times) Brison restated this single point.
    I can only hope that this forecasts the defeat of the budget and an election. I wouldn’t have thought that the LPC was politically that stupid, but I’m starting to believe that internal hysteria rules them at this juncture.

  23. One of the problems of being such a big country like Canada is that attitudes can exist in one part of the country that outsiders don’t understand.
    Take the example of when Senator R J Stanbury, Liberal Party president (1969-73) criticized the graft and corruption in Nova Scotia politics.
    He was informed thusly by a local NS Liberal supporter.
    “Of course things are corrupt down here. As long as you have the feudal system in operation, as it is in Nova Scotia, you’ll have privilige, graft, favoritism and the buying of sins and errors.”
    Stanbury was told that govts were changed in Nova Scotia not “to improve the fabric of life but to find out if the next fellow will share the graft a little more liberally……. Decisions here are still largely made by the ‘opinion-makers’ who pass the word down and the word they pass down will stick…….God has decreed that there shall be those who master, and those who serve. The masters, therfore, are not exploiting – they are …. in a position to solve problems with a minimun of charity, to grant jobs, to punish by firing, and to reward meanly, for long and faithful service – a watch, a story in the newspaper, a dinner, a twenty-five dollar cheque, etc”. – Peter Aucoin
    And that’s the way Maritimers have always been raised at the knee of the benevolent but crooked Liberal Party of Canada.
    Gee, I wonder Ralph Goodale runs his Regina operation the same way?

  24. I think King Ignatieff the First will begin dispensing accolades to his Court – accordingly…

  25. Hardboiled
    I can’t speak for ET, but I for one have been critical of the Conservatives and their betrayal of us wrt the Carbon tax. That being said, given the choice of voting for someone who will screw me, or someone who will screw me a little bit, I’ll take the later.
    The facts as I see them are this: as a western Canadian there IS ONLY ONE PARTY to vote for. Anyone who considers the NDP a legitimate option for government is beyond reason, the party is a joke and their policy is nothing but rhetoric; so, that leaves the Liberals and the Conservatives. The Liberals can NEVER be a political force in western Canada, that bridge was burned a long time ago, so there is no other party to vote for at this time. Period!
    You seem like a smart guy, but you come off as disingenuous. Please enlighten us who we should be supporting instead of the Conservatives. Without that information, I’m left to believe that you vote Conservative anyway, you just like to complain and stir up isht. The time has come for you to stop wasting everyone’s time.

  26. Harboiled
    PS
    It’s occurred to me that you probably don’t vote at all. That makes it much easier to point the finger at everyone and criticize, while taking no personal responsibility, nor offering anything constructive. Am I getting warm?

  28. We should never forget that Duceppe insisted the Canadian flag be removed from behind the three leaders as they sat at the table – the flag was shuffled off to the side.
    Duceppe was going to wag the tail of this dog called the coalition and you better believe it.

  29. hardboiled – I strongly disagree with your perspective that the Bloc’s signed agreement with the NDP and Liberals not to vote against their confidence motions is the same as becoming a member of a political party. Why?
    Because the NDP, Liberals and Bloc are not individuals but parties or collectives with presumably, clear and distinct political policies and agendas. As an individual, to align yourself with ONE and only one set of these policies is valid – just as you can be a Realist but not also a Relativist.
    As a member of ONE political party, you either vote with your party’s ideology (which you supported by becoming a member of that party) or in a free vote, you vote with your party’s ideology or your constituency or…
    But it doesn’t make sense for a whole party/ideology to formally align itself with another party/ideology unless they wish to merge their ideologies (eg Reform-Alliance-PC). Since this is not the case in this situation, then, their agenda has to be something different than shared ideology.
    The Bloc’s signed agreement that they will support the NDP-Liberals on confidence motions, without even reading the Motion, is a violation of their duty as MPs, to base their decision on the MOTION. Not on the political agenda.
    And what is their agenda? Power. Over a billion in funding, six Senate seats and what else?
    glasnost – the Liberals are declaring that ‘We have to see the details’ – to which they have no right, as part of a propaganda campaign to present a public image that they are in power; that they are The Government. Their statement of ‘honest fiscal numbers’ of course implies that the Conservatives also have ‘dishonest fiscal numbers’..which is the reason they are making such statements.
    Can’t these people ever stop politics and work for us, the people?
    They’ve been badly hurt by Layton’s attempted takeover of the Liberal Party and they are, I think, trying to present an image now of a separate and ‘in charge’ party. Heh.
    The facts remain; Ignatieff and all of them signed that coalition agreement. If they think Layton or anyone else will let them forget that, as they puff and huff about ‘we insist’ or ‘we’ll come and get you….
    I doubt if there will be an election. It’s not only about money – the Liberals can’t afford it – but, if THEY are seen as causing the election, the public won’t be pleased. The people want the govt to get things done. Not joust for power. And the Liberals are hiding reality – that coalition was extremely unpopular.
    I still like their ads about ‘62% as the majority’ which means that the Liberals, NPD, Bloc are also hand in glove with the Marxist-leninists, communists, marijuana party. All of them, together, as ONE.

  30. Hardboiled your quote
    “This is not any different than any person signing onto a party itself. That person agrees to vote for the party when whipped – and they do not know all of the legislation they’ll be voting on in the future.”
    As a generalization this may be true, but there are many, many exceptions.
    I think specifically of the Mike Harris government, where all prospective candidates were presented with the “The Common Sense Revolution” a 28 page document. They were told beforehand that if they did not agree to the document, they were not welcome as candidates. That’s a fact.
    In addition, when specific bills were prepared by the Harris team, they were placed before members for perusal prior to final legislation being drafted.
    Even then, some members voted against their own government because they disagreed. Indeed, one member resigned after Harris was elected to a second term because he disagreed with legisation concerning the amalgammation of cities.
    Many Liberals could have done the same with the coalition idea but they didn’t have the guts.

  31. Something else – watch for it. The Liberals will approve the budget and they’ll claim that it is THEIR budget; that they ‘moved in’ and insisted that Harper change this and that and the other thing, or.. else they’d blow the House down via The Coalition. So there.
    Watch for the propaganda. That’s why the Liberals are now in full public presentation mode that they must see ‘the details’; that ‘things are going well’; that ‘they are in talks with the PM’ and so on.
    They are engaged in a very obvious propaganda campaign to declare that the budget, which will be a very good one – is all due to them and them alone.
    In order for them to achieve this image of themselves as Da Boss, they also have to shut out the NDP and Bloc from any input…Will they be making public statements on this?

  33. Manitoba is doing Saskatchewan no favour.
    Baanishment of criminals to Yorkton for punishment for heavens sake?
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081215.wthief15/BNStory/National/home
    I thought that this young person in need of warm snuggies could be sent to Toronto where he could get his PhD in Crime or Journalism alongside Dr. Miller.
    Given the OHRC emphasis on “Social Condition” remediation, I am certain that Barbara Hall would take this misguided youth under her wing (lots of room)and roof.

  34. Please enlighten us who we should be supporting instead of the Conservatives Posted by: Indiana Homez at December 15, 2008 4:18 PM
    I don’t suggest you support or don’t support anyone. And if I am wasting time, ignore it. Lookup the name at the bottom of the post, and if you see me, smugly nod in righteousness and move along.
    But don’t confuse me with someone who advocates voting for a party or platform. I dislike partisanship: it separates people into camps of useful idiots.
    I am an ardent conservative, with a healthy dose of libertarian. I dislike government beyond the basics. And I dislike politicians. They are professional sycophants that peddle emotion effectively.
    I believe strongly in the people of the nation, and submit there is ways to impact outcomes without adhering to any party line.
    Because at their bottom, politicans and their parties are simply self serving entities driven by what is best for them, and their supporters. Not for the best interests of the nation.
    I attempt to point out hypocrisy, and political lies. That’s all.
    And it’s pretty easy to find many examples. If citizens call politicians on it, they’ll get better governance. Or at the least, more honest governance.
    The ‘lesser of two evils’ argument/question you put forward misses this point.

  35. I don`t belive “Iggy Mania” will be long lasting. I get annoyed at his “colonoscopy” grin. Harper will will walk over him.

  36. Liberal MP John McCallum: “Michael Ignatieff and I signed the Coalition document because we’re loyal Liberal Party members.” (via Roy Green’s show)
    Great to learn that they have their priorities in the right place. Sigh.

  37. Posted by: ET at December 15, 2008 4:44 PM
    Why do the Libranos need to shut the NDP out ET? The Cons are inviting them right in….
    From Monday’s Globe and Mail
    December 15, 2008 at 1:17 AM EST
    After pledging more than $3-billion to rescue the auto sector, the Harper government is now poised to offer similar aid to the struggling mining and forestry industries in next month’s budget.
    Industry Minister Tony Clement said Sunday on CTV’s Question Period that a number of industries are “under distress” and “other industrial sectors, other extraction sectors are on the table for our budget coming out on January 27th.
    NDP Leader Jack Layton credited the creation of the coalition between his party and the Liberals that is supported by the Bloc Québécois with forcing the government to act swiftly…..”

  39. lynnh wrote “I don’t get the whole love Quebec/hate the west thing from the central Canada.”
    You have obviously never talked to the average (outside of Toronto) Ontarian.
    There is an old saying “You can’t believe everything you read in the newspapers” Remember most journalists are “educated” by Liberal professors and really can’t think for themselves. That is why you read the same rhetoric over and over again in almost every column no matter who the author.
    Even in, the largely French speaking, Northern Ontario they don’t have much use for Quebec.
    Posted by: Largs at December 15, 2008 11:09 AM
    Keep in mind that of 38 Libs elected in Ontario, 32 were in Toronto or close enough that it doesn’t matter. 4 of the other six were elected in other large cities (5 if you consider Kingston at 120,000 large).
    The better question might be why does Toronto vote Liberal? Why does Montreal? Why does Vancouver? I have no idea.
    That area is probably at least 40% of the population of the province so it has an enormous effect on anything that goes on in Ontario.
    It’s also home to the national naval gazers in the media. I can guarentee you, nobody in the Toronto media cares what Eastern Ontario thinks about anything.
    If we had a vote on Quebec staying or going I think the answer would be go, go be gone!

  40. HardB
    Sorry HB but partisans are more constructive than those who stand on a soap box and point out everyone’s faults and/or inconsistencies. At some point a person has to make a decision (IMO), you may call it “lesser of evils” but in reality it is choosing the best option and taking responsibility. All of us have the right to join any party we like(or start anew) and try to affect policy and direction from within. Unfortunately for everyone, compromise is necessary when individuals look for solutions together.
    I have read your statements closely for months and I’ve seen your “c” conservatism in your words, and probably agree with your principals; but, as I said, I don’t believe your method is constructive, it is just cynical.
    You can call me smug, and if I am, it is something I must work on, but statements like this:” I dislike partisanship: “it separates people into camps of useful idiots.”” defines smug, which makes you (like the rest of us) a hypocrite.

  41. ET: **Something else – watch for it. The Liberals will approve the budget and they’ll claim that it is THEIR budget; that they ‘moved in’ and insisted that Harper change this and that and the other thing, or.. else they’d blow the House down via The Coalition. So there.**
    This is exactly the reason to include nixing the political party funding which would be a popular move with the taxpayers of Canada. Cause the Liberals to reject the budget on that basis,,or not.

  42. John Luft :
    Thank you. You said it way better than I could to Atlantic Jim. Who usually is pretty smart until the West gets mentioned.
    I would just add we can no more forget what the Liberals did to us, than you can your missing Cod. Another rip off for the benefit of the Liberals, selling you out to increase central Canada’s coffers.
    Albertans are reluctant separatists. Which should worry people more than the French cons. For us its about survival, not money or entitlements. We don’t want to end up like Atlantic Canada. Bum snifters for Federal largesse, after our resources had been plundered to sate the Liberal beast. When the respect with the attendant trust is gone, or even caring anymore in a marriage. What do you have left? Albertans ask that every day about Canada. Two wars & an economic rape.
    There won’t be a sequel. Period!!!
    JMO

  43. Pillow talk re media and liberals. See who members of the media invited as guests at the Press Party-Susan Bohnar, Dominic and wife, Craig, Iggy and wife. Must be more of them that did it also.
    Bloc formed to counter reform. I think the Bloc was first, aka Brian.
    And remember when Chretain named the Bloc as official opposition a few years back, when Manning had almost the same number of seats.
    How many gas stations did PetroCanada force to close in rural ALberta.
    Forgive and forget, never. It is one of those legends being passed down to the next generation.

  44. revnant dream
    “”””. We don’t want to end up like Atlantic Canada. Bum snifters for Federal largesse””””
    actually that should read ,”We don’t want to end up like Atlantic Canada again”, as at one time you were in the past, and ontario never has been. So you western quebecers may just lighten up a bit, cuz Jethro Clampet only made you rich less than a generation ago!!!!

  45. Ontario never has been,because when you are good at stealing other regions wealth,you don’t have to be good…hehe.

  46. GYM:
    The vacuum Cleaner has always only gone one way . EAST. We have never gotten a penny from you folks, nor do we want your money. In fact during the depression your banks stole savings from Westerners accounts. There where no transfer payments till Alberta became self sufficient in the late seventies. You sure like ours though to you. By the way the oil boom was just one of many. Coal being another at the turn of the 19mth century. Read some history than remark. Look up Fort Woop Up
    I think it will be water as the next big commodity.
    JMO

  47. We in the west will never EVER forget the NEP, this particular bit of history will live forever in the minds of us who lived through serious hard times. BUT, with hard work, determination and good old sticktoitiveness we have once again risen to the top. This time is very different though, this time we will not be beaten down and robbed blind. We learned a very valuable lesson in the early ’80’s…fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. We won’t be fooled again.

  48. Regardless of the budgets outcome, we need an election ASAP. There is treachery afoot in the HOC and now is the time to root it out.
    Cut the party funding, put together a good budget for Canada and let her smoke!!
    ET: You’re on a roll. Good on ya’ m’man. I’ve got to agree that the Liebrals are going to try and claim this current budget as their own.
    Election needed!!
    Pat

  49. Everybody always buries the hatchet, but quite obviously on this thread, nobody in the West has forgotten where they buried it. heh.

  50. Hey, ET, it looks as though you may have hit a nerve with the cult followers of the separatist/Liberal alliance. While many believe the alliance of Separatists and Liberanos is something recent in Canadian politics, most understand the charade of Separatisim goes back to the days of the great sloganeer himself, disco dictator Trudeau. We have to force French on all English institutions eg. RCN, RCAF,RCMP, the HOC, all public services no matter where they are in the country, or…Quebec will seperate. Trudeaumaniac was the good cop and he was gonna put Quebec in it’s place, right? So Quebec becomes uni-lingual french, with Language gestapo to inforce the inialation of the English history, and population of Quebec, while in the ROC French will be imposed on all English institutions to further the estrangment of the historically English speaking Canadian. Trudeaumaniac needed his former Liberal colleagues to start the new Separatist party, just as they needed him, or the facade of Canada being under some kind of internal threat would never have facilitated the distortions and decay that was to be reaped on English Canada. Throw out you’re English speaking history and you’re institutions, and start speaking French or we’ll separate. An absolute empty threat, akin to blackmail, but that is exactly what Trudeaumaniac did, and continues to do today, from the grave. The Separatist/Liberal alliance goes way back, and that probably explains the MSMs irrational hatred of PM Harper, and their inexplicable, sychophantic slobbering at the feet of the so-called separatist movement. Not to mention the non-punishment of the members of the FLQ, whom achieved evrything they murdered, blew up, or kidnapped for, and now enjoy every freedom that Trudeauvia can bestow on terrorists, and criminals. To the victors goes the spoils. The Separatist/Liberal alliance is nothing new, but merely exposed, as their self preservation, like party welfare comes under threat. The charade continues…

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